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Costco's Kirkland Cat Food = Premium Cat Food?

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fleemo17@comcast.net - 02 Jan 2005 18:48 GMT
All the books I read say that feeding your cat "premium cat food" is
essential.  Would Costco's Kirkland brand cat food qualify as "premium"
cat food?  Would my cat be better off with a brand name, like Iams?

What is the definition of "premium" cat food anyway?  What should I be
looking for and what should I avoid at all costs?

-Fleemo
PawsForThought - 02 Jan 2005 22:47 GMT
>From: fleemo17@comcast.net

>All the books I read say that feeding your cat "premium cat food" is
>essential.  Would Costco's Kirkland brand cat food qualify as "premium"
>cat food?  Would my cat be better off with a brand name, like Iams?

I don't know anything about Kirkland but would assume it's probably not the
greatest.  I wouldn't feed IAMS, the company sucks (food does too).

Some better brands are Wellness, Petguard, Innova, Paul Newman's, Solid Gold.
You have a Whole Foods in the area, they will probably carry some of these, or
your better pet supply stores (not Petsmart or Petco, but Pet Supplies Plus
does).

>What is the definition of "premium" cat food anyway?  What should I be
>looking for and what should I avoid at all costs?

Read this article for some good info on feline nutrition:

http://www.catinfo.org/zorans_article.pdf

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StephanieM - 03 Jan 2005 03:47 GMT
> >From: fleemo17@comcast.net
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Jeffery P. - 03 Jan 2005 07:55 GMT
>All the books I read say that feeding your cat "premium cat food" is
>essential.  Would Costco's Kirkland brand cat food qualify as "premium"
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>
>-Fleemo

I have been purchasing cat food from an independent distributor for
the last while and I would strongly recommend it to anyone. The brand
of food is called Riplees Ranch but I have never seen it in stores and
I believe it can be only bought from independant distributors.

I didnt think it would have made much difference until one of my cats
got loose from his leash and was taken into the local humane society.
When he was picked up and assessed by two vets at the shelter they
concluded that he was anywhere from 4 to 6 years old. My cat was
almost 12. When I found him at the shelter they were amazed at the
actual age of my kitty and asked what I was feeding him because
according to his coat, condition and teeth they would not have guessed
he could be any older than 6. They concluded that the food I was
feeding him really was making a difference and they tried the food for
themselves and concluded that it was indeed a better quality food than
the brand they were using at the time, and both have since changed
their food for their own pets. It is a little pricey compared to most
others out there, but as I had to find out the hard way, it is well
worth it.
PawsForThought - 03 Jan 2005 12:26 GMT
>From: Jeffery P. jeepboy*nospam*@mts.net

>I have been purchasing cat food from an independent distributor for
>the last while and I would strongly recommend it to anyone. The brand
>of food is called Riplees Ranch but I have never seen it in stores and
>I believe it can be only bought from independant distributors.

I never heard of this food so I went to a website and found this about their
cat food (I'm assuming this is a kibble, didn't see anything about a canned
food):

http://www.ripleesranch.com/USA/PetFoodProds.html

5) Original Formula Cat Food - For All Life Stages
Chicken Meal, Brewers Rice, Chicken Fat
Preserved with Mixed Tocopherols, Citric Acid and Rosemary Extract
Guaranteed Analysis: Crude Protein (MIN.) 32.0%, Crude Fat (MIN.) 20.0%, Crude
Fibre (MAX.) 3.0%, Moisture (MAX.) 10.0%, Ash (MAX) 6.5%, Magnesium (MAX.)
0.09%.

6) Formula 32-10 Cat Food - For Overweight and Senior Cats
Chicken Meal, Brewer's Rice, Ground Corn, Chicken Fat
Preserved with Mixed Tocopherols, Citric Acid and Rosemary Extract
Guaranteed Analysis: Crude Protein (MIN.) 32.0%, Crude Fat (MIN.) 10.0%, Crude
Fibre (MAX.) 3.0%, Moisture (MAX.) 10.0%, Ash (MAX.) 6.8%, Magnesium (MAX.)
0.09%.

Are these the only ingredients in the food?  Is there any offal (things like
liver or heart)? I also didn't see anything about the proximate analysis, only
these minimums and maximums.
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Steve Crane - 04 Jan 2005 17:56 GMT
Costco Kirkland Signature bradn is made by Diamond. Diamond produces a
number of different foods. Diamond Chunks Brand, Nutra Nuggets,
Professional, Premium Edge, Chicken Soup, Bayer Healthy Life, Nutra
Gold (overseas only). Typically any "store brand" regardless of the
brand sold, - ABC grocery store, XYZ Feed Store brands etc, are at the
low end of the scale. The store seeks a low cost bidder for the
products. The Bayer Healthy Life product was analyzed a year ago and
found to contain about one third the vitamin E claimed/listed on the
label.
fleemo17@comcast.net - 04 Jan 2005 18:38 GMT
Very interesting.  Thanks for the input here folks.  Guess it's time to
find a new cat food for the fuzzy ones.

-F
equalizer - 04 Jan 2005 21:10 GMT
>Very interesting.  Thanks for the input here folks.  Guess it's time to
>find a new cat food for the fuzzy ones.
>
>-F

You might want to check out Wellness from http://oldmotherhubbard.com/.
asylumboss - 19 Jan 2005 06:29 GMT
> Very interesting.  Thanks for the input here folks.  Guess it's time to
> find a new cat food for the fuzzy ones.
>
> -F

I have two Bengals (4 and 1 Years old) and a festively plump 13 year
old tabby. The tabby can eat almost any good kind of food (ones found
at pet stores, not corner stores) without much change to his fur,
energy, stool, weight, etc. However, one of the Bengals has a very
sensitive stomach and both Bengals have nasty smelling stool. The older
Bengal was being fed Kirkland food for the first 3 years, then I got
him and he had really runny, nasty stool at my house. I tried all kinds
of things and finally was buying Sensitive Stomach food (Science diet)
for 25 dollars for a 10 lb bag. I do not have a Costco membership and
therefore was not buying it....also figured these more expensive ones
would be better. Long story short- a year later- I have switched to
Kirkland food and for the first time ever this cat has solid stool, and
more of it- it is quite bulky. (don't know if that is bad) And now I
spend 10 dollars for a 20 lb bag- a MUCH better deal! Anyway, they
still look good- I have also started adding hemp seed oil for their fur
and digestion. Seems to be working and the breeder swears by this food-
it does not have much corn in it and this is good as it is hard to
digest.
Traditionally, Bengals can have digestive issues. Hope this helps!
Cat Protector - 19 Jan 2005 15:01 GMT
My 3 cats are just fine with the store bought brands and don't seem to like
what some here would call the Premium Brands. I think a lot of what the cat
will eat depends on the cat. Some cats do very well on what some here call
the lower quality foods while others do fine on the more premium type foods.
I have tried a couple of times to switch to the higher end foods and my cats
won't eat it. I feed my cats Special Kitty from Walmart and they are doing
just fine.

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> I have two Bengals (4 and 1 Years old) and a festively plump 13 year
> old tabby. The tabby can eat almost any good kind of food (ones found
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> digest.
> Traditionally, Bengals can have digestive issues. Hope this helps!
Sherry - 19 Jan 2005 19:20 GMT
>My 3 cats are just fine with the store bought brands and don't seem to like
>what some here would call the Premium Brands. I think a lot of what the cat
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>won't eat it. I feed my cats Special Kitty from Walmart and they are doing
>just fine.

You're just so wrong about that, but you'll never listen. Of course they like
Special Kitty better. It's probably full of fat and sodium. Kids like
McDonald's better. You may *think* they're doing fine, but a bad diet catches
up with them sooner or later. You can keep them healthy longer with healthier
food. Just like people.

Sherry
Justin L - 19 Jan 2005 19:28 GMT
> >My 3 cats are just fine with the store bought brands and don't seem to
> >like
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>
> Sherry

I agree with you, but what good is giving them the premium expensive food if
they refuse to eat it?

Will they eventually eat the good food if they get hungry enough, or be
stubborn and just starve themselves?

Justin
Monique Y. Mudama - 19 Jan 2005 20:52 GMT
> I agree with you, but what good is giving them the premium expensive food if
> they refuse to eat it?
>
> Will they eventually eat the good food if they get hungry enough, or be
> stubborn and just starve themselves?

That seems to depend on the particular cat.

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Sherry - 19 Jan 2005 23:46 GMT
>> I agree with you, but what good is giving them the premium expensive food
>if
>> they refuse to eat it?

It's hard to get them off of it. Years ago I used to feed Meow Mix. I finally
had to mix the stuff to get them started eating something better.

>> Will they eventually eat the good food if they get hungry enough, or be
>> stubborn and just starve themselves?

Some cats *will* starve themselves. They'll go without eating and put
themselves at risk of hepatic lipidosis. They're not like dogs. Especially
older, overweight cats *can't* go without food, it's risky for them. The trick
is to outsmart them. (As soon as I figure out how to do that, I'll let you know
:-)

Sherry
Ray - 19 Jan 2005 22:54 GMT
My experience is that they would eventually eat. When I was training
one of my cats to switch from dry food to wet food, it took about 3
days for the cat  to eat the wet food. For 3 days, the cat just drank
some water. It is fine and very healthy now.
Cat Protector - 20 Jan 2005 02:03 GMT
This is precisely why these food debates should not take place. Some cats do
just fine on plain old store bought brands and others don't. My cats don't
like the premium brands and will eat the stuff they currently eat.

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>> >My 3 cats are just fine with the store bought brands and don't seem to
>> >like
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>
> Justin
Mary - 20 Jan 2005 18:48 GMT
> > >My 3 cats are just fine with the store bought brands and don't seem to
> > >like
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> Will they eventually eat the good food if they get hungry enough, or be
> stubborn and just starve themselves?

Yes, Justin, I ask myself that as I scrape the never-touched Iams etc. off
the plate. They want Fancy Feast. *shaking my head*
Meghan Noecker - 20 Jan 2005 00:17 GMT
>You're just so wrong about that, but you'll never listen. Of course they like
>Special Kitty better. It's probably full of fat and sodium. Kids like
>McDonald's better. You may *think* they're doing fine, but a bad diet catches
>up with them sooner or later. You can keep them healthy longer with healthier
>food. Just like people.

You know, I have heard this many times, but mostly by store clerks
trying to sell me more expensive food. And I have never had a problem
with feeding grocery store cat food.

"You can keep them healthy longer with healthier food."

So, my 19 year old cat would have lived longer? How about my healthy
18 year old cat?

All of our cats (except for a stray that was ill before we got him,
and an idiot who chased racoons) have lived longer than 15 years.
While the average age has improved, most people consider that to be
pretty good. And my personal cats are 19 (died 10 years ago), 18 1/2
(healthier than the 19 year old was at 16), 10 1/2 (prime of her
life), and 4 (long and lean).

For a food that is supposed to be the equivalent of McDonalds, I do
not understand. None of them have ever had weight problems, unless you
count the older ones *losing* weight. And they've always been healthy.

Maybe it is more about genetics, exericise, and mental health. I
certainly don't see any reason to condemn people for their choice of
cat food. I was 19 when I first was told not to feed grocery store cat
food, and by that time,  Fiona was 17 years old. It was all I could do
not to laugh at the clerk when he insisted my cats would never live
long.

Have there ever been any actual studies to determine if cats on
premium foods typically live longer than cats on cheap food? Or is it
really just a guess?

Another example. Table scraps. Never feed your cat table scraps.
Maynard has been eating my scraps for 18 years. And he's doing great.
It obviously hasn't hurt him. And you know what, he eats vegetables.
His favorite foods are peas and mushrooms. If you give him a choice
between tuna and peas, he will choose the peas. That is what he did
the very first time, back when he was 4 months old. I picked the peas
out of my tuna caserole, looked down during a commerical, and found
him eating my peas. Cats are veggie eaters. The complaint about cheap
cat food is the grain and veggies. Yet, my cat does great with vegiie
supplements and stealing bread.

So, I really have a hard time with all the attacks on people who feed
cheap cat food. If the cats are healthy, then what does it matter?

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Cat Protector - 20 Jan 2005 02:13 GMT
Don't listen to those who feel your cat should be eating what their cats do.
My cats are all healthy and have no problem with the grocery bought cat
foods. It's funny how you hear from some people who say that by feeding your
cat the so-called premium foods that they'll live longer. I have heard of
cats living close to 20 (and a few even older) that ate store bought food.

It's funny how people get attacked on this group simply because they don't
feed their cats what some others consider a high quality food. It seems if
you are not apart of a certain clique or agree with some of the more
snobbish people on this newsgroup, then you are considered a bad person and
thus attacked. BTW, cats are meat eaters primarily and if you feed them a
vegetarian diet then you are doing them a lot of harm.

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> You know, I have heard this many times, but mostly by store clerks
> trying to sell me more expensive food. And I have never had a problem
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asylumboss - 20 Jan 2005 05:44 GMT
Good for you! My cat lived to be 18 as well- the main thing that I
watched was that the ash content was low- he did get blocked as a young
fella and had to go get emergency treatment adn would have died without
it. I fed him decent food, and as he got older I did give him some
scraps....
I now have this big fatty tabby and my two Bengals- the fatty is fat no
matter what I feed him (including diet food, high quality) and he
really does not eat much. He is just a big, twenty lb tabby- the vet
said that he is fine. The one Bengal can be touchy because of his
stomach, this is when the food does matter! Do try hemp seed oil though
if you want- this give essential fatty acids that they don't get
otherwise! If your cats are living that long, obviously you are doing
something right! After reading this, I am not going to do anymore
research on Costco food- if it's good enough for the breeder, it's good
enough for me! I think those other foods are just over priced and if
you compare the ingredients- Costco is the same as Iams!! Take care!
GAUBSTER2 - 20 Jan 2005 05:40 GMT
>From: "Cat Protector" catprotector@cox.net
>Date: 1/19/05 7:01 AM Pacific Standard Time
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>won't eat it. I feed my cats Special Kitty from Walmart and they are doing
>just fine.

Interesting.  What most people don't realize is that as long as they feed their
cats copious amounts of salt, then the cats will never "eat" the better premium
brands.  And what do you mean by "they are doing just fine"?  Have you had
bloodwork done on them?  What are the BUN levels?  What is the phosphorus
content (or the sodium content for that matter) of "special kitty from
walmart"?  How about the urinary pH output of that food?  Basically, what's
going on INSIDE the cat(s)?  This isn't an indictment, just a few questions
that one should ask themselves.
Cat Protector - 20 Jan 2005 06:14 GMT
Do you have evidence to support your hypothesis? As for the phosphorus
level, the bag says it is .8%. It also has no artificial flavoring or
colors. BTW, if this brand was so bad I doubt they'd print on the bag "For
your pet's health see your veterinarian regularly." My cats are healthy and
happy which is pretty much what matters. They eat and are well cared for as
well as loved. That is really what matters.

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"GAUBSTER2" <gaubster2@aol.com> wrote in message > Interesting.  What most
people don't realize is that as long as they feed their

> cats copious amounts of salt, then the cats will never "eat" the better
> premium
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> questions
> that one should ask themselves.
Sherry - 20 Jan 2005 15:15 GMT
>Do you have evidence to support your hypothesis? As for the phosphorus
>level, the bag says it is .8%. It also has no artificial flavoring or
>colors. BTW, if this brand was so bad I doubt they'd print on the bag "For
>your pet's health see your veterinarian regularly." My cats are healthy and
>happy which is pretty much what matters. They eat and are well cared for as
>well as loved. That is really what matters.

No, your cats aren't fine. Icarus is peeing on the bed. He probably has a
smoldering UTI.
If the Wal Mart cat food bag said, "Take Icarus to the vet," would you then do
it?
PawsForThought - 20 Jan 2005 18:02 GMT
>From: "Cat Protector" catprotector@cox.net

>As for the phosphorus
>level, the bag says it is .8%.

That is only a minimum/maximum amount and does not reflect the actual content.
You would have to contact the manufacturer to find out the numbers.  Why they
don't put it on the bag, I don't understand.

>It also has no artificial flavoring or
>colors.

I would highly doubt that.  What probably is more accurate is that the
ingredients already have the artificial stuff in it before it reaches Kirkland.

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Meghan Noecker - 21 Jan 2005 02:38 GMT
>brands.  And what do you mean by "they are doing just fine"?  Have you had
>bloodwork done on them?  

Well, let's see. Bloodwork done on 17 year old cat. Vet was impressed
with the results. Only abnormality was high white blood count which
was expected since he was being treated for an abcess (my other cat
bit him in the butt).

I asked about the kidneys and thyroid, etc. The vet said everything
looked great. They were surprised at how well he looked. He had a full
geriatric bloodwork as well as urine test and special thyroid test.

They never asked about his food, only commented that he needed to gain
weight. He had just lost weight because I didn't realize he had the
abcess. It made his tail sore, so he couldn't jump up to the food.
After that, I fed him lower until he could jump okay again.

He is now 18 1/2 years old and he's healthier now than he was then.
More arthritis, but he eats better and keeps his weight on better.

I would have to say that he is "doing just fine".

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Meghan Noecker - 07 Jan 2005 07:32 GMT
>Costco Kirkland Signature bradn is made by Diamond.

>Typically any "store brand" regardless of the
>brand sold, - ABC grocery store, XYZ Feed Store brands etc, are at the
>low end of the scale.

It may be low end, but it is the first thing in over a year that has
made my elderly cat eat without supervision. He just wasn't interested
enough to eat on his own. He was even turning down treats. But we got
some of this, and he chows. And maintains a good weight now. I don't
have to push treats on  him 3-4 times a day now.

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icedog - 05 Jan 2005 11:46 GMT
> All the books I read say that feeding your cat "premium cat food" is
> essential.  Would Costco's Kirkland brand cat food qualify as "premium"
> cat food?  Would my cat be better off with a brand name, like Iams?
>
> What is the definition of "premium" cat food anyway?  What should I be
> looking for and what should I avoid at all costs?

Despite the advertising blurb that 9/10 of cat owners who expressed a
preference say that their cats preferred it, our Chloe won't touch Whiskas,
tins or pouches. To judge by the smell, the whole factory output should be
quarantined.

"Premium" simply means "Added Cost."

I just remember someone saying "This Restaurant is the Best" and replying
"Yes, but the one we use is Better."

Icedog.
Mary - 05 Jan 2005 12:03 GMT
> > All the books I read say that feeding your cat "premium cat food" is
> > essential.  Would Costco's Kirkland brand cat food qualify as "premium"
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> "Premium" simply means "Added Cost."

This just is not true. As has been said before, READ THE INGREDIENTS. My
cats only love Fancy Feast, but at least I know I am feeding them crap.
Whiskas is
crap, too. Wellness looked the best of the ones I have tried.

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