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Costco's Kirkland Cat Food = Premium Cat Food?
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fleemo17@comcast.net - 02 Jan 2005 18:48 GMT All the books I read say that feeding your cat "premium cat food" is essential. Would Costco's Kirkland brand cat food qualify as "premium" cat food? Would my cat be better off with a brand name, like Iams?
What is the definition of "premium" cat food anyway? What should I be looking for and what should I avoid at all costs?
-Fleemo
PawsForThought - 02 Jan 2005 22:47 GMT >From: fleemo17@comcast.net
>All the books I read say that feeding your cat "premium cat food" is >essential. Would Costco's Kirkland brand cat food qualify as "premium" >cat food? Would my cat be better off with a brand name, like Iams? I don't know anything about Kirkland but would assume it's probably not the greatest. I wouldn't feed IAMS, the company sucks (food does too).
Some better brands are Wellness, Petguard, Innova, Paul Newman's, Solid Gold. You have a Whole Foods in the area, they will probably carry some of these, or your better pet supply stores (not Petsmart or Petco, but Pet Supplies Plus does).
>What is the definition of "premium" cat food anyway? What should I be >looking for and what should I avoid at all costs? Read this article for some good info on feline nutrition:
http://www.catinfo.org/zorans_article.pdf
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StephanieM - 03 Jan 2005 03:47 GMT > >From: fleemo17@comcast.net > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html > Declawing Info: http://www.wholecatjournal.com/articles/claws.htm Jeffery P. - 03 Jan 2005 07:55 GMT >All the books I read say that feeding your cat "premium cat food" is >essential. Would Costco's Kirkland brand cat food qualify as "premium" [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >-Fleemo I have been purchasing cat food from an independent distributor for the last while and I would strongly recommend it to anyone. The brand of food is called Riplees Ranch but I have never seen it in stores and I believe it can be only bought from independant distributors.
I didnt think it would have made much difference until one of my cats got loose from his leash and was taken into the local humane society. When he was picked up and assessed by two vets at the shelter they concluded that he was anywhere from 4 to 6 years old. My cat was almost 12. When I found him at the shelter they were amazed at the actual age of my kitty and asked what I was feeding him because according to his coat, condition and teeth they would not have guessed he could be any older than 6. They concluded that the food I was feeding him really was making a difference and they tried the food for themselves and concluded that it was indeed a better quality food than the brand they were using at the time, and both have since changed their food for their own pets. It is a little pricey compared to most others out there, but as I had to find out the hard way, it is well worth it.
PawsForThought - 03 Jan 2005 12:26 GMT >From: Jeffery P. jeepboy*nospam*@mts.net
>I have been purchasing cat food from an independent distributor for >the last while and I would strongly recommend it to anyone. The brand >of food is called Riplees Ranch but I have never seen it in stores and >I believe it can be only bought from independant distributors. I never heard of this food so I went to a website and found this about their cat food (I'm assuming this is a kibble, didn't see anything about a canned food):
http://www.ripleesranch.com/USA/PetFoodProds.html
5) Original Formula Cat Food - For All Life Stages Chicken Meal, Brewers Rice, Chicken Fat Preserved with Mixed Tocopherols, Citric Acid and Rosemary Extract Guaranteed Analysis: Crude Protein (MIN.) 32.0%, Crude Fat (MIN.) 20.0%, Crude Fibre (MAX.) 3.0%, Moisture (MAX.) 10.0%, Ash (MAX) 6.5%, Magnesium (MAX.) 0.09%.
6) Formula 32-10 Cat Food - For Overweight and Senior Cats Chicken Meal, Brewer's Rice, Ground Corn, Chicken Fat Preserved with Mixed Tocopherols, Citric Acid and Rosemary Extract Guaranteed Analysis: Crude Protein (MIN.) 32.0%, Crude Fat (MIN.) 10.0%, Crude Fibre (MAX.) 3.0%, Moisture (MAX.) 10.0%, Ash (MAX.) 6.8%, Magnesium (MAX.) 0.09%.
Are these the only ingredients in the food? Is there any offal (things like liver or heart)? I also didn't see anything about the proximate analysis, only these minimums and maximums. ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecatjournal.com/articles/claws.htm
Steve Crane - 04 Jan 2005 17:56 GMT Costco Kirkland Signature bradn is made by Diamond. Diamond produces a number of different foods. Diamond Chunks Brand, Nutra Nuggets, Professional, Premium Edge, Chicken Soup, Bayer Healthy Life, Nutra Gold (overseas only). Typically any "store brand" regardless of the brand sold, - ABC grocery store, XYZ Feed Store brands etc, are at the low end of the scale. The store seeks a low cost bidder for the products. The Bayer Healthy Life product was analyzed a year ago and found to contain about one third the vitamin E claimed/listed on the label.
fleemo17@comcast.net - 04 Jan 2005 18:38 GMT Very interesting. Thanks for the input here folks. Guess it's time to find a new cat food for the fuzzy ones.
-F
equalizer - 04 Jan 2005 21:10 GMT >Very interesting. Thanks for the input here folks. Guess it's time to >find a new cat food for the fuzzy ones. > >-F You might want to check out Wellness from http://oldmotherhubbard.com/.
asylumboss - 19 Jan 2005 06:29 GMT > Very interesting. Thanks for the input here folks. Guess it's time to > find a new cat food for the fuzzy ones. > > -F I have two Bengals (4 and 1 Years old) and a festively plump 13 year old tabby. The tabby can eat almost any good kind of food (ones found at pet stores, not corner stores) without much change to his fur, energy, stool, weight, etc. However, one of the Bengals has a very sensitive stomach and both Bengals have nasty smelling stool. The older Bengal was being fed Kirkland food for the first 3 years, then I got him and he had really runny, nasty stool at my house. I tried all kinds of things and finally was buying Sensitive Stomach food (Science diet) for 25 dollars for a 10 lb bag. I do not have a Costco membership and therefore was not buying it....also figured these more expensive ones would be better. Long story short- a year later- I have switched to Kirkland food and for the first time ever this cat has solid stool, and more of it- it is quite bulky. (don't know if that is bad) And now I spend 10 dollars for a 20 lb bag- a MUCH better deal! Anyway, they still look good- I have also started adding hemp seed oil for their fur and digestion. Seems to be working and the breeder swears by this food- it does not have much corn in it and this is good as it is hard to digest. Traditionally, Bengals can have digestive issues. Hope this helps!
Cat Protector - 19 Jan 2005 15:01 GMT My 3 cats are just fine with the store bought brands and don't seem to like what some here would call the Premium Brands. I think a lot of what the cat will eat depends on the cat. Some cats do very well on what some here call the lower quality foods while others do fine on the more premium type foods. I have tried a couple of times to switch to the higher end foods and my cats won't eat it. I feed my cats Special Kitty from Walmart and they are doing just fine.
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> I have two Bengals (4 and 1 Years old) and a festively plump 13 year > old tabby. The tabby can eat almost any good kind of food (ones found [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > digest. > Traditionally, Bengals can have digestive issues. Hope this helps! Sherry - 19 Jan 2005 19:20 GMT >My 3 cats are just fine with the store bought brands and don't seem to like >what some here would call the Premium Brands. I think a lot of what the cat [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >won't eat it. I feed my cats Special Kitty from Walmart and they are doing >just fine. You're just so wrong about that, but you'll never listen. Of course they like Special Kitty better. It's probably full of fat and sodium. Kids like McDonald's better. You may *think* they're doing fine, but a bad diet catches up with them sooner or later. You can keep them healthy longer with healthier food. Just like people.
Sherry
Justin L - 19 Jan 2005 19:28 GMT > >My 3 cats are just fine with the store bought brands and don't seem to > >like [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Sherry I agree with you, but what good is giving them the premium expensive food if they refuse to eat it?
Will they eventually eat the good food if they get hungry enough, or be stubborn and just starve themselves?
Justin
Monique Y. Mudama - 19 Jan 2005 20:52 GMT > I agree with you, but what good is giving them the premium expensive food if > they refuse to eat it? > > Will they eventually eat the good food if they get hungry enough, or be > stubborn and just starve themselves? That seems to depend on the particular cat.
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Sherry - 19 Jan 2005 23:46 GMT >> I agree with you, but what good is giving them the premium expensive food >if >> they refuse to eat it? It's hard to get them off of it. Years ago I used to feed Meow Mix. I finally had to mix the stuff to get them started eating something better.
>> Will they eventually eat the good food if they get hungry enough, or be >> stubborn and just starve themselves? Some cats *will* starve themselves. They'll go without eating and put themselves at risk of hepatic lipidosis. They're not like dogs. Especially older, overweight cats *can't* go without food, it's risky for them. The trick is to outsmart them. (As soon as I figure out how to do that, I'll let you know
:-) Sherry
Ray - 19 Jan 2005 22:54 GMT My experience is that they would eventually eat. When I was training one of my cats to switch from dry food to wet food, it took about 3 days for the cat to eat the wet food. For 3 days, the cat just drank some water. It is fine and very healthy now.
Cat Protector - 20 Jan 2005 02:03 GMT This is precisely why these food debates should not take place. Some cats do just fine on plain old store bought brands and others don't. My cats don't like the premium brands and will eat the stuff they currently eat.
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>> >My 3 cats are just fine with the store bought brands and don't seem to >> >like [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Justin Mary - 20 Jan 2005 18:48 GMT > > >My 3 cats are just fine with the store bought brands and don't seem to > > >like [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Will they eventually eat the good food if they get hungry enough, or be > stubborn and just starve themselves? Yes, Justin, I ask myself that as I scrape the never-touched Iams etc. off the plate. They want Fancy Feast. *shaking my head*
Meghan Noecker - 20 Jan 2005 00:17 GMT >You're just so wrong about that, but you'll never listen. Of course they like >Special Kitty better. It's probably full of fat and sodium. Kids like >McDonald's better. You may *think* they're doing fine, but a bad diet catches >up with them sooner or later. You can keep them healthy longer with healthier >food. Just like people. You know, I have heard this many times, but mostly by store clerks trying to sell me more expensive food. And I have never had a problem with feeding grocery store cat food.
"You can keep them healthy longer with healthier food."
So, my 19 year old cat would have lived longer? How about my healthy 18 year old cat?
All of our cats (except for a stray that was ill before we got him, and an idiot who chased racoons) have lived longer than 15 years. While the average age has improved, most people consider that to be pretty good. And my personal cats are 19 (died 10 years ago), 18 1/2 (healthier than the 19 year old was at 16), 10 1/2 (prime of her life), and 4 (long and lean).
For a food that is supposed to be the equivalent of McDonalds, I do not understand. None of them have ever had weight problems, unless you count the older ones *losing* weight. And they've always been healthy.
Maybe it is more about genetics, exericise, and mental health. I certainly don't see any reason to condemn people for their choice of cat food. I was 19 when I first was told not to feed grocery store cat food, and by that time, Fiona was 17 years old. It was all I could do not to laugh at the clerk when he insisted my cats would never live long.
Have there ever been any actual studies to determine if cats on premium foods typically live longer than cats on cheap food? Or is it really just a guess?
Another example. Table scraps. Never feed your cat table scraps. Maynard has been eating my scraps for 18 years. And he's doing great. It obviously hasn't hurt him. And you know what, he eats vegetables. His favorite foods are peas and mushrooms. If you give him a choice between tuna and peas, he will choose the peas. That is what he did the very first time, back when he was 4 months old. I picked the peas out of my tuna caserole, looked down during a commerical, and found him eating my peas. Cats are veggie eaters. The complaint about cheap cat food is the grain and veggies. Yet, my cat does great with vegiie supplements and stealing bread.
So, I really have a hard time with all the attacks on people who feed cheap cat food. If the cats are healthy, then what does it matter?
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Cat Protector - 20 Jan 2005 02:13 GMT Don't listen to those who feel your cat should be eating what their cats do. My cats are all healthy and have no problem with the grocery bought cat foods. It's funny how you hear from some people who say that by feeding your cat the so-called premium foods that they'll live longer. I have heard of cats living close to 20 (and a few even older) that ate store bought food.
It's funny how people get attacked on this group simply because they don't feed their cats what some others consider a high quality food. It seems if you are not apart of a certain clique or agree with some of the more snobbish people on this newsgroup, then you are considered a bad person and thus attacked. BTW, cats are meat eaters primarily and if you feed them a vegetarian diet then you are doing them a lot of harm.
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> You know, I have heard this many times, but mostly by store clerks > trying to sell me more expensive food. And I have never had a problem [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > Equine and Pet Photography > http://www.zoocrewphoto.com asylumboss - 20 Jan 2005 05:44 GMT Good for you! My cat lived to be 18 as well- the main thing that I watched was that the ash content was low- he did get blocked as a young fella and had to go get emergency treatment adn would have died without it. I fed him decent food, and as he got older I did give him some scraps.... I now have this big fatty tabby and my two Bengals- the fatty is fat no matter what I feed him (including diet food, high quality) and he really does not eat much. He is just a big, twenty lb tabby- the vet said that he is fine. The one Bengal can be touchy because of his stomach, this is when the food does matter! Do try hemp seed oil though if you want- this give essential fatty acids that they don't get otherwise! If your cats are living that long, obviously you are doing something right! After reading this, I am not going to do anymore research on Costco food- if it's good enough for the breeder, it's good enough for me! I think those other foods are just over priced and if you compare the ingredients- Costco is the same as Iams!! Take care!
GAUBSTER2 - 20 Jan 2005 05:40 GMT >From: "Cat Protector" catprotector@cox.net >Date: 1/19/05 7:01 AM Pacific Standard Time [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >won't eat it. I feed my cats Special Kitty from Walmart and they are doing >just fine. Interesting. What most people don't realize is that as long as they feed their cats copious amounts of salt, then the cats will never "eat" the better premium brands. And what do you mean by "they are doing just fine"? Have you had bloodwork done on them? What are the BUN levels? What is the phosphorus content (or the sodium content for that matter) of "special kitty from walmart"? How about the urinary pH output of that food? Basically, what's going on INSIDE the cat(s)? This isn't an indictment, just a few questions that one should ask themselves.
Cat Protector - 20 Jan 2005 06:14 GMT Do you have evidence to support your hypothesis? As for the phosphorus level, the bag says it is .8%. It also has no artificial flavoring or colors. BTW, if this brand was so bad I doubt they'd print on the bag "For your pet's health see your veterinarian regularly." My cats are healthy and happy which is pretty much what matters. They eat and are well cared for as well as loved. That is really what matters.
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"GAUBSTER2" <gaubster2@aol.com> wrote in message > Interesting. What most people don't realize is that as long as they feed their
> cats copious amounts of salt, then the cats will never "eat" the better > premium [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > questions > that one should ask themselves. Sherry - 20 Jan 2005 15:15 GMT >Do you have evidence to support your hypothesis? As for the phosphorus >level, the bag says it is .8%. It also has no artificial flavoring or >colors. BTW, if this brand was so bad I doubt they'd print on the bag "For >your pet's health see your veterinarian regularly." My cats are healthy and >happy which is pretty much what matters. They eat and are well cared for as >well as loved. That is really what matters. No, your cats aren't fine. Icarus is peeing on the bed. He probably has a smoldering UTI. If the Wal Mart cat food bag said, "Take Icarus to the vet," would you then do it?
PawsForThought - 20 Jan 2005 18:02 GMT >From: "Cat Protector" catprotector@cox.net
>As for the phosphorus >level, the bag says it is .8%. That is only a minimum/maximum amount and does not reflect the actual content. You would have to contact the manufacturer to find out the numbers. Why they don't put it on the bag, I don't understand.
>It also has no artificial flavoring or >colors. I would highly doubt that. What probably is more accurate is that the ingredients already have the artificial stuff in it before it reaches Kirkland.
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Meghan Noecker - 21 Jan 2005 02:38 GMT >brands. And what do you mean by "they are doing just fine"? Have you had >bloodwork done on them? Well, let's see. Bloodwork done on 17 year old cat. Vet was impressed with the results. Only abnormality was high white blood count which was expected since he was being treated for an abcess (my other cat bit him in the butt).
I asked about the kidneys and thyroid, etc. The vet said everything looked great. They were surprised at how well he looked. He had a full geriatric bloodwork as well as urine test and special thyroid test.
They never asked about his food, only commented that he needed to gain weight. He had just lost weight because I didn't realize he had the abcess. It made his tail sore, so he couldn't jump up to the food. After that, I fed him lower until he could jump okay again.
He is now 18 1/2 years old and he's healthier now than he was then. More arthritis, but he eats better and keeps his weight on better.
I would have to say that he is "doing just fine".
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Meghan Noecker - 07 Jan 2005 07:32 GMT >Costco Kirkland Signature bradn is made by Diamond.
>Typically any "store brand" regardless of the >brand sold, - ABC grocery store, XYZ Feed Store brands etc, are at the >low end of the scale. It may be low end, but it is the first thing in over a year that has made my elderly cat eat without supervision. He just wasn't interested enough to eat on his own. He was even turning down treats. But we got some of this, and he chows. And maintains a good weight now. I don't have to push treats on him 3-4 times a day now.
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icedog - 05 Jan 2005 11:46 GMT > All the books I read say that feeding your cat "premium cat food" is > essential. Would Costco's Kirkland brand cat food qualify as "premium" > cat food? Would my cat be better off with a brand name, like Iams? > > What is the definition of "premium" cat food anyway? What should I be > looking for and what should I avoid at all costs? Despite the advertising blurb that 9/10 of cat owners who expressed a preference say that their cats preferred it, our Chloe won't touch Whiskas, tins or pouches. To judge by the smell, the whole factory output should be quarantined.
"Premium" simply means "Added Cost."
I just remember someone saying "This Restaurant is the Best" and replying "Yes, but the one we use is Better."
Icedog.
Mary - 05 Jan 2005 12:03 GMT > > All the books I read say that feeding your cat "premium cat food" is > > essential. Would Costco's Kirkland brand cat food qualify as "premium" [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > "Premium" simply means "Added Cost." This just is not true. As has been said before, READ THE INGREDIENTS. My cats only love Fancy Feast, but at least I know I am feeding them crap. Whiskas is crap, too. Wellness looked the best of the ones I have tried.
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