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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / January 2005Waiting to get cat fixed... I have a question.
Is it ok to wait a couple of years so a cat can have a litter of kittens, then get it spaid? My mother said there can be complications, but how likely are they and how severe are they? The cat in question is currently about 1yr old and is a chocolate point siamese mix. > Is it ok to wait a couple of years so a cat can have a litter of kittens, > then get it spaid? My mother said there can be complications, but how > likely are they and how severe are they? The cat in question is currently > about 1yr old and is a chocolate point siamese mix. Go ahead & get her spayed now. Cathy Are there any big reasons to get her spayed? She has all the traits we'd want(physical and mental), so we want her to have kittens. >> Is it ok to wait a couple of years so a cat can have a litter of kittens, >> then get it spaid? My mother said there can be complications, but how [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Cathy > Are there any big reasons to get her spayed? She has all the traits we'd > want(physical and mental), so we want her to have kittens. Is this reason good enough? http://maxshouse.com/heartache.JPG > Are there any big reasons to get her spayed? Here are some: http://tinyurl.com/4gl35 >> Are there any big reasons to get her spayed? > >Here are some: http://tinyurl.com/4gl35 here are some more reasons. http://www.sniksnak.com/stop_s-n.html Karryl http://www.elexorr.com/~soft/index.html http://www.elexorr.com/~soft/Mat/index.htm http://www.elexorr.com/~soft/cats/index.htm "If a man is a fool, you don't train him out of being a fool by sending him to university. You merely turn him into a trained fool, ten times more dangerous." ----Desmond Bagley. > Is it ok to wait a couple of years so a cat can have a litter of kittens, > then get it spaid? My mother said there can be complications, but how > likely are they and how severe are they? The cat in question is currently > about 1yr old and is a chocolate point siamese mix. What do you mean by "okay"? Why do you want your cat to have kittens? Are you sure you can provide dependable, good homes for 5-8 kittens? What will you do if your cat turns out to be a poor mother, and you have to play mother to the kittens yourself? And finally, think about the fact that if your cat has 6 kittens, and you place them in homes, those are 6 shelter kittens that won't find a home because you've taken up the spots. Who would be the father? If your cat is an outdoor cat, how do you feel about male cats setting up camp around your house and "spraying" (peeing) all over the place to mark their territory? What about yowling all night? I strongly recommend that you have your cat spayed. The sooner, the better, because a cat in heat is a miserable thing.  Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* Well, she is a year old, hasnt she experienced 'heat' yet? We have many friends who are cat lovers and love this cat as well, so yeah, there are homes, and thats if we dont keep them all- which we could. We have played mother with other kittens before ,so we are ready for that. My main concern is the cats health, if she can be 100% healthy and have kittens, I'd like to do it. Otherwise its too risky. >> Is it ok to wait a couple of years so a cat can have a litter of kittens, >> then get it spaid? My mother said there can be complications, but how [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > better, > because a cat in heat is a miserable thing. > Well, she is a year old, hasnt she experienced 'heat' yet? We have many > friends who are cat lovers and love this cat as well, so yeah, there are > homes, and thats if we dont keep them all- which we could. We have played > mother with other kittens before ,so we are ready for that. Well, according to http://www.vetinfo.com/catrepro.html#Cat%20in%20heat "Cats exhibit a lot of strange behaviors when they are in heat. Rolling on the floor and rubbing against objects with noticeable intensity occurs. Cats often rub their head or neck on objects as well. Flexing the claws and stretching may accompany the rolling. As estrus progresses the female starts a strange howling that can go on for several minutes at a time. Some females spray urine in the same manner that is usually associated with tomcats - lifting the tail and squirting urine on a vertical surface. She may adopt postures suggestive of a desire to mate - tail raised, rear end elevated. A strong desire to escape the house may develop. Some cats follow their owners around very persistently when in heat." You tell me -- has she experienced heat? My understanding is that the cat may stay in heat until she becomes pregnant. Personally, aside from the fact that there are tons of cats without homes and I don't see how bringing more cats into the world can possibly be a good thing, I wouldn't want my cat to go through this, and I wouldn't want to deal with her doing this, either! > My main concern is the cats health, if she can be 100% healthy and have > kittens, I'd like to do it. Otherwise its too risky. Have you talked to your vet? I hear they're required to know a thing or two about small animal physiology. Humans can die while giving birth, even if they're otherwise healthy. Even with all of our modern medicine at their disposal. So I'm sure she could be 100% healthy if she has kittens, but there's no 100% guarantee that she will be. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* She throws herself down and gives a quiet meow and insists on being pet for a while, which we do for her. We also have a neutered male who likes to hump, but she wont let him try her. >> Well, she is a year old, hasnt she experienced 'heat' yet? We have many >> friends who are cat lovers and love this cat as well, so yeah, there are [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > could be 100% healthy if she has kittens, but there's no 100% guarantee > that she will be. All the vet told us about it was that she will be in heat possibly until she has kittens. >> Well, she is a year old, hasnt she experienced 'heat' yet? We have many >> friends who are cat lovers and love this cat as well, so yeah, there are [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > could be 100% healthy if she has kittens, but there's no 100% guarantee > that she will be. do you have any children, monique? do any of your friends or siblings? if so, why the hell would you or someone you know birth their very own child when there are so many orphans just waiting to be adopted? are you a huge abortion supporter? it sounds to me like you are... > > Well, she is a year old, hasnt she experienced 'heat' yet? We have many > > friends who are cat lovers and love this cat as well, so yeah, there are [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > could be 100% healthy if she has kittens, but there's no 100% guarantee > that she will be. > do you have any children, monique? do any of your friends or siblings? if > so, why the hell would you or someone you know birth their very own child > when there are so many orphans just waiting to be adopted? As a matter of fact, I don't have children, and I do think that the question you pose is a good one. Is it morally justifiable to conceive a new child when you know that there are so many children who have no family of their own? I think I understand the desire to see how one's genes will express themselves in a new person, but it's still a valid question. I am not the only person who has these reservations, either. I don't dictate how my friends live their lives. Do you? Of course I don't tell my friends, "Hey, I can't believe you're having a baby, how selfish of you!" It's a personal choice. But if they came to me and asked me what I thought of the matter, I'd tell them. And I'd support them no matter what they decided. > are you a huge abortion supporter? it sounds to me like you are... Back to Logic 101, lady. Because I think too many animals/humans are conceived means I want them all aborted? Try taking a step back and realize how silly that sounds. A better analogy would be, are you a huge supporter of birth control methods? And yes, I am in favor of elective birth control. I don't know of anyone who's "a huge abortion supporter." But yes, I do support a woman's right to choose. I think it's a lesser evil to abort an unwanted fetus than to bring an unwanted child into the world. That opinion has nothing to do with the current discussion, though, your comments notwithstanding. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > do you have any children, monique? do any of your friends or siblings? > if > so, why the hell would you or someone you know birth their very own child > when there are so many orphans just waiting to be adopted? are you a huge > abortion supporter? it sounds to me like you are... Troll. If you aren't, then you are a scary person. Signature-Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net "Wake up, and smell the cat food" -TMBG > > do you have any children, monique? do any of your friends or siblings? > > if [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Troll. If you aren't, then you are a scary person. It's our adelphia twoll. Note the lack of caps. >> do you have any children, monique? do any of your friends or siblings? >> if [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Troll. If you aren't, then you are a scary person. A scary person with no logic or reasoning ability. Or caps key. Sherry >do you have any children, monique? do any of your friends or siblings? if >so, why the hell would you or someone you know birth their very own child >when there are so many orphans just waiting to be adopted? are you a huge >abortion supporter? it sounds to me like you are... I'd suggest you and your son both go back under whatever rock you crawled out from. You're not here to learn anything, or even to listen to anybody. If you don't have sufficient common sense to understand the issue any better than this, there's really no hope for you.\ This has got to be one of the most hillybilly-ignorant posts I've ever read. Sherry "Monique Y. Mudama" <spam@bounceswoosh.org> wrote in message > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* That's great! :-) Cathy > "Monique Y. Mudama" <spam@bounceswoosh.org> wrote in message >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > > That's great! :-) Thank you =) Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > Is it ok to wait a couple of years so a cat can have a litter of kittens, > then get it spaid? My mother said there can be complications, but how > likely are they and how severe are they? The cat in question is currently > about 1yr old and is a chocolate point siamese mix. Besides the whole cat overpopulation issue, yes there can be complications and health risks to the cat. Of the pregnant cats we took in at the shelter, here are some examples of things going wrong: - Mother cat came in with a day old kitten who was on death's door. Kitten died. Mother had a uterine infection and became very ill days later, had to have an emergency spay. - Kittens were not coming out and mother had emergency c-section/spay. One of the kittens was stillborn. - Mother cat found outside bleeding, miscarried kittens. Even if the mother is fine, are you prepared emotionally or knowledgewise to deal with sick kittens? There is a good chance not all of the kittens will make it. Do you know how to care for sick kittens? Almost all the foster litters I've had come down with something. How do you know the kittens will have the same personality or looks as the mother? With the various litters I've raised or come in contact with, the kittens within a litter often have vastly different personalities and will range in color and coat type. Lastly, please do a little research on the cat overpopulation crisis. If these friends of yours really want kittens, take them to your local shelter. Signature-Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net "Wake up, and smell the cat food" -TMBG Its nice to get cats from shelters, but my mother who has a couple of cats isnt going to buy a $100 cat from the SPCA, but she has said she would take a free cat from me. Every cat we already have are cats from outside that people didnt take in, but we want to have cats of our own I guess you could say. It would be unfortunate if all the kittens didnt make it, but im prepared for that. I know about genetic outcomes in normal species, and I know its even crazier in cats, but the odds are also there that they will be similar. >> Is it ok to wait a couple of years so a cat can have a litter of kittens, >> then get it spaid? My mother said there can be complications, but how [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > these friends of yours really want kittens, take them to your local > shelter. > Its nice to get cats from shelters, but my mother who has a couple of cats > isnt going to buy a $100 cat from the SPCA, but she has said she would [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > and I know its even crazier in cats, but the odds are also there that they > will be similar. <bangs head against wall> Did you even READ my post??? OK, so your mother or whomever doesn't "buy" a cat from the shelter, which comes fully vetted and spayed/neutered, or at least with a certificate for s/n. Is she going to get the kitten she gets free from you vetted and s/n? That is going to cost her way more than $100. No, the odds are not that the kittens will be similar, esp with your cat being a mix. A mix with what? Do you have any idea? You have this image of having little Siamese looking kittens, when you could get none that look like her. Please, I beg you, don't do it. Signature-Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net "Wake up, and smell the cat food" -TMBG She is chocolate-point siamese with her brown siamese colors imprinted onto the area on her body which SHOULD be black. Her brothers were black and white only. Ideally the kittens would be mixed, not normal looking siamese. What is with everyone here being bitches? I didnt come here to start trouble, until that bitch statement I hadnt made a swipe at anyone. I just came to ask fans of cats if my cat would die if I wanted to have kittens and keep them/give them to responsible people. >> Its nice to get cats from shelters, but my mother who has a couple of >> cats isnt going to buy a $100 cat from the SPCA, but she has said she [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > of having little Siamese looking kittens, when you could get none that > look like her. Please, I beg you, don't do it. > She is chocolate-point siamese with her brown siamese colors imprinted > onto the area on her body which SHOULD be black. Her brothers were black [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I just came to ask fans of cats if my cat would die if I wanted to have > kittens and keep them/give them to responsible people. Well, you are asking people who care about cats and know the best thing would be for you to spay this cat and not breed her. I gave you examples of things that could go wrong and all the reasons not to do it. What else do you want? Taking in litter after litter from irresponsible owners (which you would be if you do this) kinda makes you a bitch after a while. Signature-Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net "Wake up, and smell the cat food" -TMBG How is it irresponsible to keep the cats and find good homes for the cats you caused to come into this world? Large House.(with large area just for the cats, as well as a small room for them) Money.(for vet/food/tons of toys) Caring Humans. What is bad in this picture? >> She is chocolate-point siamese with her brown siamese colors imprinted >> onto the area on her body which SHOULD be black. Her brothers were black [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Taking in litter after litter from irresponsible owners (which you would > be if you do this) kinda makes you a bitch after a while. > How is it irresponsible to keep the cats and find good homes for the cats > you caused to come into this world? Because there are already plenty of kittens that need homes. Don't need any more. Do you know how to screen for a good home? What questions to ask? Are you having all the kittens vaccinated and spayed/neutered before sending them to their new homes? > Large House.(with large area just for the cats, as well as a small room > for them) > Money.(for vet/food/tons of toys) > Caring Humans. If you really cared, you wouldn't put your cat through this. A cat in heat is a miserable creature and sex for a female cat is painful. Also, her disposition can get really nasty while she is pg and nursing. > What is bad in this picture? Everything. Go volunteer at a shelter for a couple months then tell me if you still feel the same way. Signature-Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net "Wake up, and smell the cat food" -TMBG > How is it irresponsible to keep the cats and find good homes for the cats > you caused to come into this world? Anything but spaying is abuse, asswipe. Stretch your tiny mind and try to see the Big Picture. I know you can do it. > How is it irresponsible to keep the cats and find good homes for the cats > you caused to come into this world? Because those homes could have been given to cats already in this world in shelters and scheduled to die if homes cannot be found. Therefore, you would be indirectly responsible for the death of as many cats as you caused to be born.... that's assuming those cats' owners had more sense than you and neutered their cats. Otherwise, you could be indirectly responsible for the deaths of dozens if not hundreds of cats. Could you live with that? > She is chocolate-point siamese with her brown siamese colors imprinted onto > the area on her body which SHOULD be black. Her brothers were black and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > came to ask fans of cats if my cat would die if I wanted to have kittens and > keep them/give them to responsible people. No one called you a bitch. No one in fact called you any names at all. You're the one who started with the name-calling. Will your cat die if you have kittens? Probably, out of shock. Will your cat die if she has kittens? No one but the Big Guy, if you believe in him, can say, and I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for answers. Welcome to the real world. There are no guarantees. The only thing we can tell you is what we know, which is that: 1) Yes, pregnancies can be dangerous, to both mother and babies 2) There are far too many animals without homes as is 3) If your mom's reluctant to drop $100 on a pet she'll have to have vaccinated, spayed and neutered, etc, anyway, then she isn't very good at math 4) If your mom's not willing to spend money on having the animal vaccinated, spayed, and neutered, she shouldn't have pets 5) As your mom is the one recommending getting your cat spayed, I suspect that she's a little wiser than you. And she probably has some experience with the whole pregnancy thing. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* About the bitch comment, you were the person I had in mind when I wrote that. "Have you talked to your vet? I hear they're required to know a thing or two about small animal physiology." - that seems kind of bitchy to me. Excuse me for asking the question in a newsgroup about cat's health. >> She is chocolate-point siamese with her brown siamese colors imprinted >> onto [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > the > whole pregnancy thing. > About the bitch comment, you were the person I had in mind when I wrote > that. Why, thank you. > "Have you talked to your vet? I hear they're required to know a thing or > two about small animal physiology." - that seems kind of bitchy to me. > Excuse me for asking the question in a newsgroup about cat's health. You made no mention of your vet in your post, from which I guessed that you hadn't brought this up with your vet, or that you didn't like your vet's answer and were coming here trying to find someone who agreed with your idea. You're right that it was rude. I should have said, "Have you talked to your vet first? We're just a bunch of people who like to talk about cats and may have a clue, but you should always go to your vet for reliable opinions." Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > About the bitch comment, you were the person I had in mind when I wrote > that. I personally love it when lowlife idiots like you call me a bitch. I live for it. > She is chocolate-point siamese with her brown siamese colors imprinted onto > the area on her body which SHOULD be black. Her brothers were black and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > came to ask fans of cats if my cat would die if I wanted to have kittens and > keep them/give them to responsible people. Go to a shelter and see all the dead cats that don't get homes and come back and call everyone a bitch for saying you should NOT add to cat overpopulation. Yeesh. > She is chocolate-point siamese with her brown siamese colors imprinted onto > the area on her body which SHOULD be black. Her brothers were black and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > came to ask fans of cats if my cat would die if I wanted to have kittens and > keep them/give them to responsible people. Your best bet would be to talk to legitimate breeders and discuss this with your vet. If your bound and determined to breed this cat we won't talk you out of it. People here are just a little sensitive to back yard breeders. We need help getting the overpopulation situation under control and you post about adding more cats to the mix. I wish you could see the condition of the cats that get rescued this time of year here in the NE. I wish you could have been here the day I held a poor little one while she lost her battle with pneumonia. I wish you could have seen the one who's collar was so tight his neck was starting to grow around it or the momma cat that someone locked out when she got pregnant or the cats we trapped with the end of their tails bald from malnutrition.You should try standing there weekend after weekend in a Pet Store with your fosters trying to find good, responsible homes for them - taking in 12 - 15 cats and thinking it was a good day if maybe you found a home for 1 or 2 and then maybe you'd understand why you got the response you did. For every cat you breed and home there is one out there dumpster diving, getting run over, catching pneumonia, herpes infections, ring worm, FIV, FeLV, that we can't help because we don't have any foster space available for them. > She is chocolate-point siamese with her brown siamese colors imprinted onto > the area on her body which SHOULD be black. Her brothers were black and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > came to ask fans of cats if my cat would die if I wanted to have kittens and > keep them/give them to responsible people. Yes. Your cat will die, your best friend will come down with an STD and you will go directly to hell without stopping at the QuickMart for cheezpuffs. Now go. You have a date with your dark destiny. > Its nice to get cats from shelters, but my mother who has a > couple of cats isnt going to buy a $100 cat from the SPCA, but [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > species, and I know its even crazier in cats, but the odds are > also there that they will be similar. "Free" isn't even close to free. :) Just a little story on my two new kittens. I got them from a guy who found them under his shed at 5 weeks old. They already had eye problems (viral infections in cats almost always affect the eyes, and they are very common). I paid the guy for the vet bills he'd accrued when I picked them up, even though he didn't ask me to. He spent $300 for the first FVRCP vaccines, FIV/FLV test for two of the four, antibiotics and eye ointment. I gave him $150 since I took 2 of the 4. Since then (Nov 6th) I've spent: (all costs estimated as close as I can remember without finding all of my invoices) $100 wellness visit, and another round of antibiotics, eye ointment (I let the guy keep all of it for the other two he still had) $75 for second round of FVRCP vaccinations, a different eye ointment to try $55 for another exam and new antibiotics when the male got ill again after second round of vaccinations $75 for final FVRCP and rabies shots $330 for female who had what seemed like a seizure, because vet wanted to do a thorough exam covering many suspect areas of her anatomy. $100 to run more tests after those tests had suspect results $60 neuter for male (pending) $150 spay fee for female next week So. The spay/neuter fees would have been included in an adoption fee through the rescue organizations. Sometimes if there is a pre- existing illness, rescue groups will let you use their low-cost vets to continue exams, tests, medication - saving much of the money I spent above. Hardly free. No, not all will be sick and require all of this, but many many do. Kittens can be very fragile and you can't afford to wait to treat them when they start "going downhill". Please please don't breed your cat. SignatureCheryl > So. The spay/neuter fees would have been included in an adoption fee through > the rescue organizations. Sometimes if there is a pre- existing illness, > rescue groups will let you use their low-cost vets to continue exams, tests, > medication - saving much of the money I spent above. If you get a pet from our local shelter, you get a discount on your first vet visit at many area vets. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* >> So. The spay/neuter fees would have been included in an >> adoption fee through the rescue organizations. Sometimes if [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > If you get a pet from our local shelter, you get a discount on > your first vet visit at many area vets. Same here. But these kittens needed a home. SignatureCheryl >>> So. The spay/neuter fees would have been included in an adoption fee >>> through the rescue organizations. Sometimes if there is a pre- existing [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Same here. But these kittens needed a home. I was just trying to reinforce your original point that getting a pet from a shelter is *not* expensive compared to raising one yourself. Of course you did good for these kittens =) Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > I was just trying to reinforce your original point that getting > a pet from a shelter is *not* expensive compared to raising one > yourself. LOL Trying to follow this thread, I thought you were telling me I should have got them from a shelter. ;) > Of course you did good for these kittens =) They are just adorable. To add to "waiting to get cat fixed..." I have to say that a female in heat is the pits. Even a very young one. Shamrock is a mess. I keep wondering if I should just let him do her. I have to keep distracting him with the laser pointer. lol I don't want to get mad at him; it isn't his fault that Scarlett's in heat, and he's just trying to do what boys do. She teases him to no end, too. SignatureCheryl >> I was just trying to reinforce your original point that getting a pet from >> a shelter is *not* expensive compared to raising one yourself. >> > LOL Trying to follow this thread, I thought you were telling me I should > have got them from a shelter. ;) This thread *has* gotten pretty crazy. >> Of course you did good for these kittens =) > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > it isn't his fault that Scarlett's in heat, and he's just trying to do what > boys do. She teases him to no end, too. To play devil's advocate, what's the worst that could happen if he does mount her? Shamrock's neutered, right? I mean, it won't be effective in getting her out of heat, but maybe it will reduce the tension? I honestly don't know. I'm glad I've never had to deal with this! Do you think they'll act like human friends who succumb to a one-night stand and are all awkward around each other afterwards? I suspect that's a human habit, not a cat one, but again, I don't really know. And it's not like you can extrapolate cat behavior to your particular cat most cases, anyway. *laugh* Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* Top posting, silly flaming, and mouthy children, all it one thread! Oh my! If someone isn't willing/able to pay 100$ for a living creature they will be responsible to care for for many years, they shouldn't be having pets period. > Its nice to get cats from shelters, but my mother who has a couple of cats > isnt going to buy a $100 cat from the SPCA, but she has said she would take [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > these friends of yours really want kittens, take them to your local > > shelter. >Its nice to get cats from shelters, but my mother who has a couple of cats >isnt going to buy a $100 cat from the SPCA, but she has said she would take >a free cat from me. The $100 cat from the ASPCA probably already comes neutered, and with vaccinations. You'll spend far more than that getting your "free" kitten vetted. Sherry thats a SHELTER...thats not a house where you know and take care of the cat...why are you trying to compare sick, homeless shelter cats to a healthy indoors cat? and why dont you attack people who breed puppies and kittens to sell them because they are pure bred? they arent breeding the animals because they love the mom so much they want another, they are breeding them to make money... jesus christ > > Is it ok to wait a couple of years so a cat can have a litter of kittens, > > then get it spaid? My mother said there can be complications, but how [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Lastly, please do a little research on the cat overpopulation crisis. If > these friends of yours really want kittens, take them to your local shelter. > thats a SHELTER...thats not a house where you know and take care of the > cat...why are you trying to compare sick, homeless shelter cats to a > healthy > indoors cat? One of the mother cats I mentioned WAS owned and from a house. The owner freaked and dropped her off to us because she had no idea what to do with a half-dead kitten and sick mother cat. Most of the cats we get as strays are NOT sick, BTW. We get a number of unhealthy indoor cats we take from crappy owners. > and why dont you attack people who breed puppies and kittens to sell them > because they are pure bred? they arent breeding the animals because they > love the mom so much they want another, they are breeding them to make > money... BTDT. Just Google "breeders" on this group. I think I hate some of the breeders worse than people like the OP, who I'm hoping is just misguided. Signature-Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net "Wake up, and smell the cat food" -TMBG > thats a SHELTER...thats not a house where you know and take care of the > cat...why are you trying to compare sick, homeless shelter cats to a healthy [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > jesus christ Jesus Christ, indeed. And many other less pleasant interjections. For your information, a lot of people on this NG are just as fed up with breeders as they are with owners who don't snip their pets, if not more so. Are you the person who emailed me in person as starface@adelphia.net to tell me off? I wonder, are you Buick's mom or just his buddy here to lend him ignorant moral support? (There's a difference between ignorance and stupidity. Ignorance can be cured. Please prove me right.) Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* My mom's husband uses Verizon DSL and she doesnt know how to use computers really. >> thats a SHELTER...thats not a house where you know and take care of the >> cat...why are you trying to compare sick, homeless shelter cats to a [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > (There's a difference between ignorance and stupidity. Ignorance can be > cured. Please prove me right.) > My mom's husband uses Verizon DSL and she doesnt know how to use computers > really. Okay. She still should learn not to curse at people. If that email *had* gone to the newsgroup, as she'd intended, it would be on her permanent record that she said "f.ck you you nasty bitch" to me for telling her not to email me privately. As it is, everyone will just have to take my word. Thanks for confirming that "molly" is your mom. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* Eh? My mom wouldnt swear at people. Like I said, my mom thinks my cat should be spayed, that molly freak was freaking out about it. >> My mom's husband uses Verizon DSL and she doesnt know how to use >> computers [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Thanks for confirming that "molly" is your mom. if you are trying to be smart, you shouldnt have typed "penned" that email where i said f.ck you you nasty bitch was inteded to be sent to you and you alone...the first email i sent you i didnt even realize because, as i told you, i am new to the newsgroups...i never attacked you to have you bitch at me telling me to never email you..i wasnt trying to be your friend or anything, it was a mistake... > > My mom's husband uses Verizon DSL and she doesnt know how to use computers > > really. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Thanks for confirming that "molly" is your mom. > if you are trying to be smart, you shouldnt have typed "penned" Aren't we clever. Well, as long as we're being literal, I haven't typed that phrase in years; it's part of my email configuration. So I didn't type it. Does that mean that you're "trying to be smart," too? > that email where i said f.ck you you nasty bitch was inteded to be sent to > you and you alone...the first email i sent you i didnt even realize because, > as i told you, i am new to the newsgroups...i never attacked you to have you > bitch at me telling me to never email you..i wasnt trying to be your friend > or anything, it was a mistake... Wait, let me get this straigtht. You acknowledge that you used that nasty language, and that you sent it to me personally, and then you say that never attacked me? Or maybe because you're not trying to be my friend, it's not considered an attack? Or ... I have no idea what series of concepts you just tried to convey. Being new to newsgroups doesn't give you license to curse at people. Perhaps now you've learned a valuable lesson: never put anything in writing that you don't want others to see. I don't typically violate others' trust by posting snippets of their email, but as I didn't give away any of your secrets, and as you're not trying to be my friend, anyway ... I have some sympathy for people with technical issues. I have no sympathy with people who lash out at everyone who disagrees with them and use nasty language to mask their inability to form a coherent chain of thoughts. Whatever. I hope you have better pet ownership skills than you do people skills. Over and out. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > > My mom's husband uses Verizon DSL and she doesnt know how to use computers > > really. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Thanks for confirming that "molly" is your mom. You and buick ought to get along fine. You are both dumb as rocks. Headers show that Molly and Buick are the same person. Please learn to master your newsreader. > Headers show that Molly and Buick are the same person. Please learn to > master your newsreader. Oddly enough, headers have trouble identifying the difference between two people who share the same computer and ISP. As a parental relationship was claimed, it's certainly possible they were two different family members. Possible they're not, too. As long as they're not impersonating me, I don't see how it matters. It's not like anything important hinges on the question of whether we have two trolls or just one. Honestly, why do you give a flying hoot, other than that you've decided it's fun to call me names and rag on me? Hrm, suddenly I realize that another person has a lot in common with Molly and Buick. Taking a page from a recent post on the anecdotes newsgroup, I'm sorry. I'm sorry that you like to twist your own words and I'm sorry that you like to sling insults. I'm definitely sorry I don't (yet) have you plonked, but at least I have control over that one. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > thats a SHELTER...thats not a house where you know and take care of the > cat...why are you trying to compare sick, homeless shelter cats to a healthy > indoors cat? If you have cats, take them to your vet and ask him to find good homes for them with clients he knows well. When your vet asks you why you want him to find the cats a home, tell him because you're too stupid to have cats. That is all, twolly girl. for each heat cycle she goes through, her risk of getting mammary cancer is increased. Spay her. Yes, there are traits you want to pass on, but there is no way to make sure it happens. Each kitten is its own "person" if you will. I have had a wide variety of looks and personalities in litters. Granted, they were strays, and probably had several different fathers, but I haven't had one - out of over 150 - that had the same personality as its mom. Most of it is in the raising anyway. Have your friends go to the shelter and rescue one. > Is it ok to wait a couple of years so a cat can have a litter of kittens, > then get it spaid? My mother said there can be complications, but how > likely are they and how severe are they? The cat in question is currently > about 1yr old and is a chocolate point siamese mix. Get the cat spayed. There are enough cats awaiting adoption in the shelters because someone thinks it would be cool to experience the miracle of birth. The end result is many of the kittens and even the mother cat ended up in the shelter. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com > Is it ok to wait a couple of years so a cat can have a litter of kittens, > then get it spaid? My mother said there can be complications, but how > likely are they and how severe are they? The cat in question is currently > about 1yr old and is a chocolate point siamese mix.
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