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Two new kittens from different breeders?

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Stuharr - 12 Dec 2004 14:13 GMT
What is the safest timing to get two new kittens from different
breeders?

We will be welcoming a Maine Coone kitten to our home in the next
couple of weeks.  We want four-legged company for the kitten, so we
were about to get a Bengal kitten at the roughly the same time.
However a breeder told us that having two new kittens from different
breeders at the same time would increase the risk of corona virus
cross-infection.  She advised leaving at least a couple of months
between getting the first kitten and getting the second.

On one hand we want to get the two together as early as possible so
that they get used to growing up together.  One the other hand we want
to minimize the health risks to the kittens.

Balancing the needs of their physical and emotional health, would it be
best to get them at roughly the same time and if not, what's the
optimum interval?

Many thanks in advance
PawsForThought - 12 Dec 2004 16:35 GMT
>From: "Stuharr" Stuhar@despammed.com

>Balancing the needs of their physical and emotional health, would it be
>best to get them at roughly the same time and if not, what's the
>optimum interval?

I've never gotten a cat from a breeder.  I always adopt mine from the local
rescue facility.  I got 2 kittens a couple of days apart, but they were both
from the same litter.  

Lauren
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-L. - 13 Dec 2004 07:05 GMT
If you have a breeder that is worried about corona virus, run as fast
as you can in the opposite direction.  If the kittens are healthy and
housed properly, there should be no worries about corona virus.

The Bengals I have known (as a vet tech) were mean and nasty.  You
couldn't pay me enough to own one.
Save a life or two - adopt a cat from a shelter.

-L.
Gail - 13 Dec 2004 13:55 GMT
You can also can purebred cats in rescue groups.
Gail
> If you have a breeder that is worried about corona virus, run as fast
> as you can in the opposite direction.  If the kittens are healthy and
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>
> -L.
Orchid - 13 Dec 2004 20:17 GMT
>The Bengals I have known (as a vet tech) were mean and nasty.  You
>couldn't pay me enough to own one.

    I have two altered Bengal males.  They are certified therapy
cats and go to hospitals and nursing homes.  They are enormous
cuddlebugs.  They have never needed anything more than gentle
restraint at the vets', and everyone in the office loves to see them
coming in on their leashes.

Orchid
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PawsForThought - 13 Dec 2004 22:20 GMT
>From: Orchid neko@ascendancy.net

>>The Bengals I have known (as a vet tech) were mean and nasty.  You
>>couldn't pay me enough to own one.
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>restraint at the vets', and everyone in the office loves to see them
>coming in on their leashes.

I've never owned a Bengal, but I've talked to couple of people that do and I've
never heard them say their kitties are mean.  In fact, they say they're very
loving kitties.

Lauren
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Mary - 13 Dec 2004 22:27 GMT
> >From: Orchid neko@ascendancy.net
>
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> never heard them say their kitties are mean.  In fact, they say they're very
> loving kitties.

I don't believe it has anything to do with breed alone, or
color alone. Whenever there is a question of "nature or nuture"
the answer is almost always a resounding "BOTH." In fact,
we tend to set up this sort of false dichotomy for many things.
Not much in life is a simple "either/or" proposition.
PawsForThought - 14 Dec 2004 00:51 GMT
>From: "Mary" crazyaboutfelines@yahoo.com

>> >From: Orchid neko@ascendancy.net
>>
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>we tend to set up this sort of false dichotomy for many things.
>Not much in life is a simple "either/or" proposition.

I think you're right.  I think a lot of it is how the cat is raised just as
much as genes.

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Mary - 14 Dec 2004 01:05 GMT
> >I don't believe it has anything to do with breed alone, or
> >color alone. Whenever there is a question of "nature or nuture"
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> I think you're right.  I think a lot of it is how the cat is raised just as
> much as genes.

Case in point: Buddha's brothers and sisters, now long dead
as they were outdoor cats, albeit in a rural area. They were
beautiful but not particularly affectionate. We carried Boo home
when she was maybe 12 weeks old. My husband and his father
raised her until she was five. I wish you could see her lay her head
in my hand, nose first, and fall asleep purring her head off. It's hard
to see how she breathes! She always wants  to be where the people are,
and all you have to do is touch her to start her purring. To take her pulse
I have to do it right after I pill her so that she will stop purring long
enough
for me to hear her heart beat. She burrows in to my husband's armpit
to sleep, too. She does NOT like to be picked up, but tolerates it.
I mean, think about it. Would you like to be picked up off your feet,
even by someone
who loves you?
Mary - 13 Dec 2004 22:25 GMT
> >The Bengals I have known (as a vet tech) were mean and nasty.  You
> >couldn't pay me enough to own one.
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> restraint at the vets', and everyone in the office loves to see them
> coming in on their leashes.

Oh please. Everyone knows that only BLACK cats are nice.

;)
PawsForThought - 14 Dec 2004 00:50 GMT
>From: "Mary" crazyaboutfelines@yahoo.com

>> >The Bengals I have known (as a vet tech) were mean and nasty.  You
>> >couldn't pay me enough to own one.
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>
>;)

Yeah, and don't forget torties.  They are really sweet!
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KellyH - 14 Dec 2004 02:06 GMT
Mary said:

>>Oh please. Everyone knows that only BLACK cats are nice.
>>
>>;)

Then Lauren said:

> Yeah, and don't forget torties.  They are really sweet!

My tortie Toffee is really sweet!  Everyone says how tempermental torties
are, but I don't find that as a rule to be true.  I don't really find black
cats to be more or less nice, either.  Nothing against them.  I have one,
and he's a very unique personality. My own little color obervation is about
orange males.  It seems like orange males are almost always so sweet and
friendly!  Of course the only one I know who isn't like that is my Antonio,
although he's sweet in his own way.  I wonder what he would have been like
if I got him earlier, before he got too feral?
The only purebred Bengal I've ever met was a nice enough girl.
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Hodge - 14 Dec 2004 04:09 GMT
> Then Lauren said:
>
> > Yeah, and don't forget torties.  They are really sweet!
>
> My tortie Toffee is really sweet!  Everyone says how tempermental torties
> are, but I don't find that as a rule to be true.  

My tortie Pudge was incredibly sweet despite being a starving, soaked,
freezing stray when my friend found her; I thought that's how all cats
were until I encountered Hellcat Hodge. (Definitely not sweet.)

But my question is: Isn't tortie just a colour rather than a breed
(Pudge looked like a mix of breeds)? I am wondering if the gene for
temperament could share with colour.
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Mary - 14 Dec 2004 05:30 GMT
> > Then Lauren said:
> >
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> (Pudge looked like a mix of breeds)? I am wondering if the gene for
> temperament could share with colour.

My cat Gnarly was mean as a snake--and a lilac-cream tortie.
Her daughter was a regular tortoiseshell--darker, with russet colors,
and she was very gentle and loving.
PawsForThought - 15 Dec 2004 13:28 GMT
>From: "Mary" crazyaboutfelines@yahoo.com

>> > Then Lauren said:
>> >
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>Her daughter was a regular tortoiseshell--darker, with russet colors,
>and she was very gentle and loving.

My Meesha is my first tortie.  When I first adopted her and took her to my vet,
the vet remarked about most torties being cranky cats.  Nothing could be
further from the truth though with my Meesha.  She is a regular purr machine
and a lap cat.  However, she doesn't really like to be picked up and when you
do, she will whine a bit.

Lauren
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Mary - 15 Dec 2004 17:22 GMT
"PawsForThought" <darnit7@aol.comnolitter> wrote > >
> >My cat Gnarly was mean as a snake--and a lilac-cream tortie.
> >Her daughter was a regular tortoiseshell--darker, with russet colors,
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> and a lap cat.  However, she doesn't really like to be picked up and when you
> do, she will whine a bit.

I totally understand not wanting to be picked up. Anyone who can
put themselves in the cat's place does! She sounds darling, by the way.
PawsForThought - 15 Dec 2004 17:32 GMT
>From: "Mary" crazyaboutfelines@yahoo.com

>I totally understand not wanting to be picked up. Anyone who can
>put themselves in the cat's place does! She sounds darling, by the way.

Thanks, Mary :)  She is the sweetest gentlest cat I've ever had.  Just wish I
could figure out a way to keep her brother from picking on her.  

I wouldn't want to be picked up either, especially by someone who is 5 times my
size!
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Mary - 15 Dec 2004 17:38 GMT
> >From: "Mary" crazyaboutfelines@yahoo.com
>
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> size!
> ________

You bet! Working through college I was a waitress in a sports bar. The
local coach sometimes brought b-ball recruits in--and guess what some of
them
thought was cute to do once they had a few shots in them? This of course is
where I cultivated the Look of Death, which could reduce overgrown men
to piles of smoking rubble if I didn't keep a tight rein on it. :)
Monique Y. Mudama - 15 Dec 2004 21:19 GMT
> Thanks, Mary :)  She is the sweetest gentlest cat I've ever had.  Just wish
> I could figure out a way to keep her brother from picking on her.  
>
> I wouldn't want to be picked up either, especially by someone who is 5 times
> my size!

Five times!  Your ratio is quite different than mine!  I figure that I'm
at least 15 times as big as Oscar, and my husband's even bigger!  Whenever
anyone complains about Oscar's reticent behavior, I point this out to them.
Oscar's not skittish; other cats are just foolish! =P

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monique, who is sometimes allowed to pet Oscar, a grey^H^H^H^Hblue-cream DLH
with an attitude!

Joe - 14 Dec 2004 15:25 GMT
Torti and Calico are color patterns. Many breeds are available in them. They
also come in the 'dilute' variety. Cream, white, blue instead of
red,white,black. The gene that makes them makes females. One in 10,000
(about) will be boys because something happens during development. However
they are sterile and not worth anything extra.
Joe
FYI: I run a rescue group and own purebreds. The real problem is all the
cats, purebred or not, that aren't altered.
www.rescuinganimalsinneed.org

>> Then Lauren said:
>>
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> (Pudge looked like a mix of breeds)? I am wondering if the gene for
> temperament could share with colour.
Yngver - 14 Dec 2004 17:16 GMT
>FYI: I run a rescue group and own purebreds. The real problem is all the
>cats, purebred or not, that aren't altered.

A rational response. If all purebred cats disappeared tomorrow, it would not
begin to make a dent in the vast numbers of homeless cats.
 
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