interesting article from "newscientist" - does it also apply to Cats?
Question
I have read that dogs should not be fed chocolate because it is
poisonous to them. Is this correct, and if so, what are the differences
between canine and human digestive processes? And what are the
chocolate drops that you can buy for dogs really made of?
N. McDonnell , Ightham, Kent, UK
Answer
It is true that chocolate is poisonous to dogs. The problem is that
chocolate contains cocoa, which in turn contains methylxanthines. These
chemicals, which act on blood vessels, include theobromine,
theophylline and caffeine. They are responsible for the "kick" we get
from coffee, tea and chocolate.
The reason why dogs react differently to chocolate lies in their liver
enzymes. In dogs, breakdown of the methylxanthines takes a long time.
For example, theobromine takes about four days to be cleared from a
dog's system. It affects the heart, central nervous system and kidneys,
and even a small dose can kill a dog in as little as six hours. The
amount of chocolate that proves toxic varies, depending on the amount
of cocoa used in the recipe, as well as variations in individual dogs
themselves.
Many fatalities have been reported following ingestion of as little as
5 grams per kilogram of bodyweight. Medical records show that two
English bulldogs died after eating about 25 grams of dark chocolate
each, and a springer spaniel died after eating around a kilogram of
milk chocolate. Others have died after eating cooking chocolate, cocoa
powder and cocoa-based garden mulch as single doses or repeated
exposure to smaller doses.
The only safe option is not to give human chocolate to dogs. Doggy
chocs are available in pet shops, marketed as "chocolate substitutes"
that are safe for dogs. They contain either no cocoa, or very little.
Check the ingredients with care; if you would prefer to give your pet
no cocoa, choose one of the many cocoa-free options. After all, dogs
are carnivores and there isn't any chocolate in the average carcass.
Priscilla H. Ballou - 09 Dec 2004 20:29 GMT
> interesting article from "newscientist" - does it also apply to Cats?
Cats are not *as* sensitive to chocolate as dogs are, but it's still not
good for them.
The big NONO for cats is onions.
> Question
> I have read that dogs should not be fed chocolate because it is
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> Answer
> It is true that chocolate is poisonous to dogs.
Priscilla
I Lurk Alone - 11 Dec 2004 01:03 GMT
> > interesting article from "newscientist" - does it also apply to Cats?
>
> Cats are not *as* sensitive to chocolate as dogs are, but it's still not
> good for them.
>
> The big NONO for cats is onions.
So *that's why* Frank gets all squinty eyed and can't leave the room
fast enough when I'm cutting onions. I can't imagine him every getting
close enough to an onion to ingest one at least.
> > Question
> > I have read that dogs should not be fed chocolate because it is
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> Priscilla
Priscilla Ballou - 11 Dec 2004 18:37 GMT
> So *that's why* Frank gets all squinty eyed and can't leave the room
> fast enough when I'm cutting onions. I can't imagine him every getting
> close enough to an onion to ingest one at least.
Heck, I get all squinty-eyed when I cut onions! I wouldn't expect a cat
to eat an onion, but.... stew, spaghetti sauce, and so on all contain
onion and can do damage.
Priscilla

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I Lurk Alone - 11 Dec 2004 19:11 GMT
> > So *that's why* Frank gets all squinty eyed and can't leave the room
> > fast enough when I'm cutting onions. I can't imagine him every getting
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Even on the other side of our fairly large kitchen, Frank finds it all
too much to bear. I never knew that onions as a component of stew,
chili, etc. could be anemia-inducing in cats and dogs. We don't let him
eat human food, but he's been known to lick a pot or too when our guard
is down. Thank goodness for this NG which is a very valuable resource.
Dave
ceb - 09 Dec 2004 20:47 GMT
"stuart" <spamfilter@rock.com> wrote in news:1102621624.111466.107150
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> interesting article from "newscientist" - does it also apply to Cats?
Yes, I have always heard that cats shouldn't eat chocolate either. Nickleby
was so spoiled that I never even *bought* chocolate ice cream while he was
alive, because I couldn't bear not to share it with him -- he loved ice
cream.
--Catherine
& Rosalie the calicohead
Yngver - 10 Dec 2004 16:12 GMT
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>alive, because I couldn't bear not to share it with him -- he loved ice
>cream.
I recall that a vet posted on one of these boards a few years ago that there
isn't enough chocolate in an entire gallon of chocolate ice cream to be toxic
to a cat. A teaspoonful won't hurt.
Toxicity depends largely on the amount of theobromine in the chocolate. The
highest amount is in baker's chocolate, which I very much doubt any cat would
eat--much too bitter. Dark chocolate is next, and the least amount is in milk
chocolate. And of course, many products labeled chocolate flavor have no
chocolate at all.
That said, I don't think most cats actually have a taste for chocolate, so if
I'm offering a taste of ice cream to our cats, it's usually the vanilla they
like best anyway.
I Lurk Alone - 11 Dec 2004 01:04 GMT
> >"stuart" <spamfilter@rock.com> wrote in news:1102621624.111466.107150
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> I'm offering a taste of ice cream to our cats, it's usually the vanilla they
> like best anyway.
And there's not enough dairy product in ice cream to cause any lactose
intolerance?
Yngver - 14 Dec 2004 17:27 GMT
>> That said, I don't think most cats actually have a taste for chocolate, so
>if
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>And there's not enough dairy product in ice cream to cause any lactose
>intolerance?
I've never had a cat that was lactose intolerant. I realize some cats are, but
ours are not.
Meghan Noecker - 11 Dec 2004 01:45 GMT
>I recall that a vet posted on one of these boards a few years ago that there
>isn't enough chocolate in an entire gallon of chocolate ice cream to be toxic
>to a cat. A teaspoonful won't hurt.
I used to give Maynard some of my chocolate icecream. I would buy the
Haggen Daz chocolate chocolate chip, and he ate the chips too.
I stopped when I learned that cats shouldn't have chocolate. But I do
agree that it would probably take a lot to cause a problem. Maynard
probably got a tablespoon every time I had ice cream, and he never had
any problems.
I would be much more careful with the dogs, since a dog would actually
eat a candy bar, and that would be a higher level of actual chocolate.
One probably wouldn't cause permanent damage, but I wouldn't make it a
habit of it.

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Yngver - 14 Dec 2004 17:30 GMT
>I would be much more careful with the dogs, since a dog would actually
>eat a candy bar, and that would be a higher level of actual chocolate.
>One probably wouldn't cause permanent damage, but I wouldn't make it a
>habit of it.
Yes, and some dogs will eat anything. It also depends greatly on the size of
the dog--many years ago, my roommate's lab/retriever mix got into my room when
I wasn't home and polished off a two pound box of Valentine's Day chocolates.
It didn't even make him sick.
Monique Y. Mudama - 16 Dec 2004 20:21 GMT
> I would be much more careful with the dogs, since a dog would actually eat a
> candy bar, and that would be a higher level of actual chocolate. One
> probably wouldn't cause permanent damage, but I wouldn't make it a habit of
> it.
My German grandmother gives her poodle chocolate, as she has done with the
last three dogs she's owned. Of course, when I try to tell her that chocolate
is no good for dogs, I get the "Oh, please" response followed by the "one of
my poodles lived to be 20" story.
Me, I keep dogs away from chocolate. I remember how disappointed our mail
lady was when I told her she couldn't give my dog leftover chocolate cake.

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Zythophile - 17 Dec 2004 23:33 GMT
interesting article from "newscientist" - does it also apply to Cats?
>and a springer spaniel died after eating around a kilogram of
>milk chocolate.
Gordon Bennett! How heavy is a springer spaniel? About 15 kg? I'm just under
100 kg (yes, I know, I ate all the pies), so that means that I'd have to eat
over 6.5 kg of Galaxy to mimic what that dog did. I think that would kill
me!
To answer the question, I don't know if chocolate is toxic to cats, but
alcohol definitely is, wheras I've known several dogs (mainly Labs) who
enjoy a pint.

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