After reading this ng for a while, especially info about ferals, I have a few
questions. You see, I was always a dog person before Oscar adopted me, and I
really didn't know the first thing about cats. So, a few questions.
Oscar was born to a stray (I suppose feral is the right term?) cat who roamed
a co-worker's neighborhood. I got her at eight weeks of age. Specifically,
the mother had decided to keep her litter under the deck of one of the houses.
The residents caught the kittens, fed them, and gave Oscar to their daughter.
Their daughter's fiance wasn't told in advance, and the kitten came back
pronto. I am not exactly sure how long the people in question had the
kittens, but I think it was a matter of a day or two, not terribly long.
So, first question -- is a kitten caught at an age of 8 weeks considered
feral? Has it already acquired feral tendencies?
The reason I ask is because Oscar has always been a timid cat. She likes to
hide under the bed. She takes a very long time to warm up to people. She
zooms out of the room if she encounters a loud noise or a swift movement.
Paws and belly are not to be touched, under any circumstances. She will go
from a purring machine to a biter and clawer, then back again, in time periods
measuring in nanoseconds. When I pet her, her tail twitches back and forth,
even when she's purring. It seems like she just can't let down her guard.
But she's clearly affectionate in her own way; when we come home in the
evening, she's always near us as we move from room to room. She sleeps at my
feet on the bed. She licks my hands and gives me headbutts to remind me to
pet her. My husband can even get her to "dance" with him by picking up her
front paws, though she just tolerates it. (Odd, it's just occured to me that
this is the only time she lets her paws be touched.)
So I'm wondering -- is this because she was born outside of a human home? Is
this just her personality, something she was born to be? Or have I somehow,
in ignorance, raised her to be this way? I'm sure my behavior hasn't always
been perfect. There have been times when she bit me and I instinctively
bapped her right back in the head, although very lightly. I had a
long-distance boyfriend for a while who sometimes held her against her will
when she wanted to leave, thinking that he would show her who's boss, I
suppose -- I really didn't like that, and he didn't last all that long.
I love my cat, but my parents and I jokingly call her the "ice queen," my MIL
says Oscar has "wild" eyes, and I just wonder -- was I a bad cat-mom, or was
this just the luck of the draw?

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Priscilla Ballou - 03 Dec 2004 01:58 GMT
> After reading this ng for a while, especially info about ferals, I have a few
> questions. You see, I was always a dog person before Oscar adopted me, and I
> really didn't know the first thing about cats. So, a few questions.
>
> Oscar was born to a stray (I suppose feral is the right term?)
Depends. A cat who was domesticated and then started living wild is a
stray. A cat who was born in the wild is a feral.
> cat who roamed
> a co-worker's neighborhood. I got her at eight weeks of age. Specifically,
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> So, first question -- is a kitten caught at an age of 8 weeks considered
> feral? Has it already acquired feral tendencies?
Depends. Some have picked up more than others. Francis was 4 weeks old
when I was handed him. His mom hadn't got around to telling him about
nasty people yet, so it took a whole 20 minutes to socialize him.
Sebbie was more than 12 weeks when he was trapped, and he wouldn't let
me touch him for 16 days. He lived in isolation (except for me) for 2
1/2 months before he joined the general population, and he still has
feral behavioral characteristics.,c
> The reason I ask is because Oscar has always been a timid cat. She likes to
> hide under the bed. She takes a very long time to warm up to people. She
> zooms out of the room if she encounters a loud noise or a swift movement.
All three of my big cats do that, and two of them were well socialized
shelter kittens. I think they've picked some nervousness up from me.
:-( I have generalized anxiety disorder and am very protective of my
space. Someone at the front door will send the three adults to the
basement, and sometimes I wish I were with them, which is why I think
they "smelled" my feelings and picked them up.
> Paws and belly are not to be touched, under any circumstances. She will go
> from a purring machine to a biter and clawer, then back again, in time periods
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> I love my cat, but my parents and I jokingly call her the "ice queen," my MIL
> says Oscar has "wild" eyes,
There's a certain look which many people tag "feral eyes." It's a
wide-eyed alert wary kind of look that becomes familiar to those who
work with ferals.
> and I just wonder -- was I a bad cat-mom, or was
> this just the luck of the draw?
How old is Oscar now? Some of what you describe sounds to me like
kitten behavior, while other bits might be feral tendencies she picked
up before she was rescued. Some of it may be personality, too.
I don't think you've been a bad cat mom. Each cat can be very
idiosyncratic in its behavior and in what it will tolerate. My fully
socialized brainless beauty, Benjamin, will not allow himself to be
picked up. It took over 2 years before he'd let me get my face near
his. He's a petting junkie, though. Much of this stuff is in the
genes.
Re: biting. When she bites too hard, try squeaking like a wounded
kitten. Many cats respond to that noise by learning that they're
causing pain. They don't understand other messages intended to carry
that meaning, but the kitten cry does translate appropriately to many of
them.
Keep loving Oscar and call her anything you like. It's the loving that
counts. ;-)
Priscilla

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Monique Y. Mudama - 03 Dec 2004 21:15 GMT
>> The reason I ask is because Oscar has always been a timid cat. She likes
>> to hide under the bed. She takes a very long time to warm up to people.
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>sometimes I wish I were with them, which is why I think they "smelled" my
>feelings and picked them up.
Interesting. I'm definitely a high-strung individual. Maybe Oscar's just
picking up on that. I get stressed out a lot, too, and maybe she's acting out
the way I'd do if I could get away with it =P
>> I love my cat, but my parents and I jokingly call her the "ice queen," my
>> MIL says Oscar has "wild" eyes,
>
> There's a certain look which many people tag "feral eyes." It's a wide-eyed
> alert wary kind of look that becomes familiar to those who work with ferals.
I wonder if that's it. Oscar does do the droop-lid thing sometimes, which
I've read means she is content, trusts the surroundings and me, etc. I try to
reciprocate by mostly-closing my own eyelids, but I don't know if she gets the
message.
>> and I just wonder -- was I a bad cat-mom, or was this just the luck of the
>> draw?
>
> How old is Oscar now? Some of what you describe sounds to me like kitten
> behavior, while other bits might be feral tendencies she picked up before
> she was rescued. Some of it may be personality, too.
She's four and a half, actually. My vet told me today that she's noticed cats
of Oscar's color having a similar personality, so ... maybe there's a genetic
component.
> I don't think you've been a bad cat mom. Each cat can be very idiosyncratic
> in its behavior and in what it will tolerate. My fully socialized brainless
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> don't understand other messages intended to carry that meaning, but the
> kitten cry does translate appropriately to many of them.
I'm not sure I can make that noise, but I'll try =) This may work well for
when she lurks on the stairs so that she can attack our ankles whenever we
have to use them.
> Keep loving Oscar and call her anything you like. It's the loving that
> counts. ;-)
*grin*

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Priscilla H. Ballou - 03 Dec 2004 22:40 GMT
> > Re: biting. When she bites too hard, try squeaking like a wounded kitten.
> > Many cats respond to that noise by learning that they're causing pain. They
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> when she lurks on the stairs so that she can attack our ankles whenever we
> have to use them.
I've become quite the drama queen, and it's really very emotionally
satisfying to squeal and whine and then say, "You hurt me!" with a
reproachful look. Francis has been learning "velvet paws" and "gentle
mouth" and I've been feeling like I've been able to express myself
thoroughly. :-)
> > Keep loving Oscar and call her anything you like. It's the loving that
> > counts. ;-)
>
> *grin*
Yup. That's the key. :-)
Priscilla
Phil P. - 03 Dec 2004 07:53 GMT
> After reading this ng for a while, especially info about ferals, I have a few
> questions. You see, I was always a dog person before Oscar adopted me, and I
> really didn't know the first thing about cats. So, a few questions.
>
> Oscar was born to a stray (I suppose feral is the right term?)
All strays aren't ferals.
cat who roamed
> a co-worker's neighborhood. I got her at eight weeks of age. Specifically,
> the mother had decided to keep her litter under the deck of one of the houses.
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> So, first question -- is a kitten caught at an age of 8 weeks considered
> feral? Has it already acquired feral tendencies?
All cats are born with feral (natural) tendencies. That's why domestic
strays are able to *revert* back to a feral state.. Domestication merely
supresses the the feral tendencies.
8 weeks old is the generally considered the age limit at which to begin the
socialization process for feral kittens. After 8 weeks, some people say the
kitten can't be socialized. Of course I disagree. Every cat is unique. My
Titi was 3 months old and 3rd or 4th generation feral when she trapped me,
Chatter was 6 months. They're a little more cautious and perhaps a little
smarter and tougher than my other cats, but that's it.
> The reason I ask is because Oscar has always been a timid cat. She likes to
> hide under the bed. She takes a very long time to warm up to people. She
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> front paws, though she just tolerates it. (Odd, it's just occured to me that
> this is the only time she lets her paws be touched.)
Cats in general don't like their paws touched - their paws and claws are
their primary defense. That's why so many people have trouble trimming
their cats' claws. Acclimating a cat to having her paws touched and held is
the first step in successful claw trimming. The younger you start the
easier it will be.
> So I'm wondering -- is this because she was born outside of a human home? Is
> this just her personality, something she was born to be?
Could be either one of those things or a combination of both.
Or have I somehow,
> in ignorance, raised her to be this way?
We're all ignorant with our first cat. I sure as hell wasn't a
"Felinestein" with my first cat.
I'm sure my behavior hasn't always
> been perfect. There have been times when she bit me and I instinctively
> bapped her right back in the head, although very lightly.
That's exactly what their mothers do when their kittens piss them off.
I had a
> long-distance boyfriend for a while who sometimes held her against her will
> when she wanted to leave, thinking that he would show her who's boss, I
> suppose -- I really didn't like that, and he didn't last all that long.
Cat's are not a wise choice for control freaks... ;-)
> I love my cat, but my parents and I jokingly call her the "ice queen," my MIL
> says Oscar has "wild" eyes, and I just wonder -- was I a bad cat-mom, or was
> this just the luck of the draw?
She's a cat!
Phil.
Monique Y. Mudama - 03 Dec 2004 21:17 GMT
>> Or have I somehow, in ignorance, raised her to be this way?
>
> We're all ignorant with our first cat. I sure as hell wasn't a
> "Felinestein" with my first cat.
Hehe =P
I suspect that I expected her to act a bit like a dog when I first got her.
She trained me, though, in time.
>> I'm sure my behavior hasn't always been perfect. There have been
>> times when she bit me and I instinctively bapped her right back in
>> the head, although very lightly.
>
> That's exactly what their mothers do when their kittens piss them off.
Good to know, although perhaps disturbing to find that I act like a momma cat
...
>> I had a long-distance boyfriend for a while who sometimes held her
>> against her will when she wanted to leave, thinking that he would
>> show her who's boss, I suppose -- I really didn't like that, and he
>> didn't last all that long.
>
> Cat's are not a wise choice for control freaks... ;-)
While it wasn't the explicit cause for the breakup, when I think back to that
relationship, the way he treated Oscar is definitely the first thing I
remember. I'm 100% sure he didn't feel he was doing anything wrong -- he felt
that pets are there to do what their humans want, I suppose. I do think it's
important for a large dog to instantly obey in certain situations; that
doesn't mean it's appropriate for a cat.
>> I love my cat, but my parents and I jokingly call her the "ice
>> queen," my MIL says Oscar has "wild" eyes, and I just wonder -- was I
>> a bad cat-mom, or was this just the luck of the draw?
>
> She's a cat!
Sure she is. I guess I just wonder, because Eros' previous owner had him and
one other cat, Taffy, and both of them were snuggly, laid-back, friendly cats.
The fact that she had *two* such cats just makes me wonder if she was doing
something "right" and I wasn't.

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Andreas - 03 Dec 2004 11:17 GMT
Monique Y. Mudama schrieb am 12/2/2004:
> After reading this ng for a while, especially info about ferals, I
> have a few questions. You see, I was always a dog person before
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> queen," my MIL says Oscar has "wild" eyes, and I just wonder -- was I
> a bad cat-mom, or was this just the luck of the draw?

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~*Connie*~ - 03 Dec 2004 22:33 GMT
> Oscar was born to a stray (I suppose feral is the right term?)
nope. Stray is the right term. If you can pat him, and pick him up with
out bringing back a bloody stump that requires a trip to the human vet, then
he isn't feral.
Monique Y. Mudama - 03 Dec 2004 22:58 GMT
>> Oscar was born to a stray (I suppose feral is the right term?)
>
> nope. Stray is the right term. If you can pat him, and pick him up with
> out bringing back a bloody stump that requires a trip to the human vet, then
> he isn't feral.
Well, Oscar's female, not that you would know that.
Your definition doesn't seem to match exactly with the other definitions I've
read here. I certainly wasn't able to interview her mom to find out if she'd
escaped from humans or had been born wild herself.

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