Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / December 2004
Why is this cat biting me?
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ph_leung - 30 Nov 2004 01:14 GMT I am adopting a cat from a friend but it bites me and I am not sure how to stop him from doing this.
He is a 6 year old, neutered male, orange-brown short haired cat. It has lived as an indoor cat with it's previous owner since it was 4 months old. The vet checks his health to be fine and all shots have been given. According to the previous owner there has been no bites to people.
He now lives with me in a 2 level apartment. I have had him for 6 weeks now and he is very friendly with me most of the time. He is comfortable enough with me to sleep on my lap while watching TV or while reading a book. He purrs most of the time I'm around.
These are the situations when he has bitten me. - When I got home, I petting him about 5 times and started walking upstairs to change and shower. He ran up behind and bit into my lower left leg. - When I got home, I said hello to him started walking upstairs to change and shower. He ran up behind and bit into my lower right leg. (two other attempts like this but I blocked with my bag) - I was on my couch talking on the phone. He was sitting on my lap watching TV and purring. He turns around and bites my free hand that was on the armrest. - I was watching TV on the couch. He is sitting on my lap and purring. He bites my hand that was beside my thigh.
The attacks and bites are not like the hyperactive play fight bites that some cats give. He does have these play fights so I can recognize this behaviour. He is usually purring immediately before and after the attack. In each of these bites he has punctured deep into my flesh and cause a serious infection. The bites are not nips (I've experienced his little "love" nips) but he yanks multiple times once he's punctured into my flesh as if he were trying to tear into me. In none of these instances except the first, was I petting him.
This behaviour is puzzling and the vet couldn't explain why the cat does this.
Cheryl - 30 Nov 2004 02:29 GMT > This behaviour is puzzling and the vet couldn't explain why the > cat does this. You are describing the exact behavior that my Shamrock has. He is a leg biter, and bites out of the blue (not from overstimulation unless just looking at him overstimulates him, though he also has the classic overstimulation biting).
I've had him for over 2 years and haven't solved this problem yet. I've sort of gotten used to it, though he can bite hard, especially when I'm getting his food ready, or I'm stepping in the shower. For a while he really scared me because I couldn't walk across the room without him attacking my legs and I would always have scratches and bite marks on my ankles and lower legs. I used to carry a laser pointer to divert him, and this worked well. He isn't nearly this bad anymore, but he still has his moments. Some cats just seem to be like this, and otherwise he is a very cuddly, nice cat. Sometimes he seems like he really wants to be pet, but you can't touch him in certain places. There only seems to be about a 2 sq inch area around his head that isn't off-limits, and only *sometimes*. lol
I've come to the conclusion that he thinks I'm a big cat because he treats me the same as he does my other cats.
As an aside (which is probably very relavent) Shamrock has allergies that cause his skin to erupt in lesions, and can only be relieved by steroid shots. I attribute his behavior sometimes to just being itchy, grouchy and possibly in pain at times. In all this time I haven't been able to find the allergen but I think I might have found it because he is doing very well after a recent (yet again) diet change.
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Hodge - 30 Nov 2004 03:57 GMT > > This behaviour is puzzling and the vet couldn't explain why the > > cat does this. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > about a 2 sq inch area around his head that isn't off-limits, and > only *sometimes*. lol Sounds like Hodge, who, like Shamrock, has improved somewhat, but occasionally still goes a little nutso.
> I've come to the conclusion that he thinks I'm a big cat because > he treats me the same as he does my other cats. Hodge thinks I'm prey. He keeps reaching a leg out to trip me, just like a lion or leopard with a gazelle. (I'd make a big meal or two is all I can say.)
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Mary - 30 Nov 2004 03:00 GMT >These are the situations when he has bitten me. >- When I got home, I petting him about 5 times and started walking >upstairs to change and shower. He ran up behind and bit into my lower >left leg. I had a cat do this. He'd bite me when I'd arrive home from work and didn't pet him "enough." He basically wanted me to play with him more because he was bored and lonely. My cat would sometimes bite if I spoke to someone else or was not petting him when he felt I should be. I just decided to give him tons more attention. I'd play with him with a toy dangling on a string. I'd try to tire him out. Sometimes I'd even pet him "too much" so he'd get off my lap. I think your cat just needs more attention and play time when you come home from work. Think of it as wind down time for both of you. He'll get better as time goes by. Did he used to live with another cat and get along with that cat? If so, maybe he needs a buddy to keep him company when you're at work. Don't get a kitten. Get an older cat IF he used to enjoy other cats. If not, just play with him more when you get home.
Dick Peavey - 30 Nov 2004 15:23 GMT > >These are the situations when he has bitten me. >>- When I got home, I petting him about 5 times and started walking [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > play with > him more when you get home. Squeaky used to bite my leg also. I interpreted as "Hey, get back here, you're not through petting me!" He grabbed me with his claws (scalpels) and bit at the same time with a "come-along" tug.
First, I stopped being bare-legged around him. Second, I said "Ow! NO!" Third I didn't take my eyes off him when I went to the fridge for his food, or whatever. He eventually got the idea that biting and clawing my leg was not something I enjoyed.
Both my cats also would pounce on my leg, especially if I was wearing my long bathrobe. That was more play than "Hey, get back here."
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kaeli - 30 Nov 2004 16:26 GMT > These are the situations when he has bitten me. > - When I got home, I petting him about 5 times and started walking [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > This behaviour is puzzling and the vet couldn't explain why the cat > does this. It sounds to me as if he's correcting you. Twice you were walking away and twice he bit the hand NOT petting him.
He wants more attention or interaction, and he's correcting you for not giving it to him. He may be used to being the boss. My personal opinion is that *I* am the boss in my home. My critters get away with a lot (they're quite spoiled), but I put my foot down for some things, especially biting or aggressive behavior towards me or any other animal or person in my home. If this were my cat, I would immediately correct [1] *him* after the bite and then give him a timeout for 10 minutes or so. He doesn't get to tell you that he wants attention - he can *ask*, but he better not *tell*, if you get the distinction. I don't know how much you play with him, or how much he was used to, but he may just really need more stimulation. It's one thing to correct him, but it doesn't solve the underlying issue. He may just redirect into destroying property. You want to solve the real issue while still making sure he understands that hard biting is NEVER acceptable. Either spend more time playing with him or perhaps consider a second cat to add to your home. It is my opinion (and experience) that 2 cats are nearly always better than one. A few cats simply won't accept other cats in their territory. Most, however, like the company.
Of course, I assume since you mentioned the vet that he has already been checked for health problems. Health problems should always be ruled out before assuming the issue is strictly behavioral.
[1] By "correct", I do not mean to hurt him. A light scruff shake (just a firm grab of the scruff with his weight still on a solid surface - do not pick his weight up by his scruff, ever), a nose tap, or even a just a loud booming NO should suffice. Some cats hate getting squirted with water. Others hate loud noise. Any aversive will do. You want his respect, not fear. Note that, occasionally, bossy cats may react with further aggression (hissing, spitting, swiping, or more biting) when corrected. If he does this, STOP. You don't want a battle. You'll both lose in the long run. Stick with positive motivators to shape desired behavior and timeouts as punishment if he reacts aggressively to corrections. You may want to consult an animal behaviorist if he responds aggressively to corrections. One size does NOT fit all in animal training.
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ph_leung - 30 Nov 2004 23:45 GMT Thanks everyone for all the advice.
The cat came from a one cat family with kids and their parents. The parents never liked the cat and the kids did not spend much time with him because of school and work. This cat has met other cats before and supposedly they get into serious fights immediately. I'm not sure of the grabbing him would work well. On on of these attacks, he wouldn't let go after me shouting "OW!" "AW!" really loud. I tried grabbing him and he bit my hand (I was quick enough that it only caused a scratch). I'm pretty sure we'd have a big fight if we continued.
I'll see what I can do with all the suggestions.
Alison - 01 Dec 2004 00:41 GMT > Thanks everyone for all the advice. > of the grabbing him would work well. On on of these attacks, he > wouldn't let go after me shouting "OW!" "AW!" really loud. I tried > grabbing him and he bit my hand (I was quick enough that it only > caused a scratch). I'm pretty sure we'd have a big fight if we > continued. I think so too. My cat Kim can be aggressive and she would go beserk if I grabbed her. Does you cat run up and bite your leg only when you are going up stairs when you come home from work , does he do it at other times or in other places? Alison
Jennifer - 30 Nov 2004 20:06 GMT While she never broke the skin, one of my cats used to bite the back of my leg if I wasn't giving her the attention she wanted. It was almost always when I was at my computer, where I have a can of compressed air handy, and she hates that noise... she doesn't bite very often anymore :)
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zuzu22@webtv.net - 30 Nov 2004 20:31 GMT <snip story of cat biting> From the scenario you decribe, it sounds to me like this cat is acting out because he is partly stressed from the changes in his life, and partly because he is bored and has built up energy that is expended as aggression towards you. There are a couple of things you can do to minimize this behavior, and over time eliminate it if you are very consistent, although it will probably take awhile to do so.
Ignore the advice Kaeli gave you to "correct" this cat with scruffing (Kaeli should be ashamed of herself for even suggesting such a thing.) The cat will look at this as an aggressive action, which will cause a fear based reaction, and will only make things worse. Physical corrections should NEVER be used. EVER.
The best solution would be to adopt a second cat as a buddy and playmate for your cat. Not just any cat will do. In this situation your best bet would be to find a male that is similar in size and activity level, very playful, but with a laid back, tolerant personality. Making sure to do a very slow introduction is key to these two forming a friendship. You can read how to do that here: http://www.catsinternational.org/articles/getting_a_cat/good_introduction.html
Even if getting a second cat is not possible, you need to do some things to keep this cat mentally stimulated while you're away and develop a routine at home that gives him something he can count on.
One thing I always do is leave the radio on set to a classical station on a low volume 24 hours a day. This has a calming influence and hearing different music and calm voices throughout the day is an easy way to keep your cat's mind busy.
Providing him with a nice, *tall* cat tree he can climb and play on and placing it in front of a window so he can watch the world go by is something I would definitely recommend as well. You can see an example of one of my favorites in the last photo at this link: http://community.webtv.net/zuzu22/scratch
If possible you can make this even more enjoyable for the cat by putting a bird feeder outside the window where the cat tree is.
You also need to take steps to take your cat's focus off of you as "prey" and send him in another direction.
If your cat will chase the dot from a laser pointer carry one with you when you're home and when you see him getting ready to come after you, send him off after the dot instead. When purchasing a laser pointer you're better off buying one that takes AAA batteries as they last much longer and the batteries are cheaper than the kind that take watch batteries. I've found great deals on this type of laser pointer on Ebay, and I have seen one at Target for $10 that is in the section where they have labelmakers, etc. It looks like a thick, silver pen.
Getting him one or two stuffed animals that are a little smaller than him are also useful as you can throw them to him when you see him setting up for the biting behavior and he'll likely grab the toy and bite that instead. This will take the focus off of you and teach him that he can beat up the toys as much as he wants. Getting him to beat up the toys when he's not in attack mode will also teach him that they are acceptable outlets for his aggression and will also expend some of his energy.
Keep a few little containers with treats around the house, and if you see him setting up to attack, grab the container, shale it,then takea treat and throw it in a different direction. Again, this changes his focus, gives him something positive, and also the opportunity to chase something and expend energy.
A wand with feathers on the end is also useful for redirecting his aggression from you to something more appropriate.
Setting up a regular play session with your cat each evening shortly after coming home will help, and if you do this at the same time each evening, and you've taken steps to keep your cat's mind busy during the day, your cat will quickly fall into the routine and probably will stop the biting behavior when you walk in because he knows what's coming in a little bit. Routine is very comforting for cats, and even things like scooping the litter and feeding meals at the same times and order each day, or doing your own routine in the same order each day, can help a cat feel more secure.
Also keep in mind that many cats don't react well to change and will act out aggressively. Your cat spent several years of his life in another home with someone else, and having to adjust to a new home and a new person is a lot to have to deal with, especially when they don't know why this is happening to them and are totally at our mercy. It can take a lot of time for a cat to get used to new people and new surroundings, and underlying fear can certainly manifest as the behavior you describe. Don't be angry with this cat. Understand what he is going through and take steps to redirect his aggressive behavior and make him feel that he is a part of your home and all that happens and over time this behavior should greatly diminish and hopefully go away.
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kaeli - 30 Nov 2004 21:48 GMT > Ignore the advice Kaeli gave you to "correct" this cat with scruffing > (Kaeli should be ashamed of herself for even suggesting such a thing.) I am never ashamed to recommend PROPER corrections that do no harm to an animal. I use *gasp* a check (martingale/choker) collar on my dog!!!!! Oh, the humanity!!! *swoon*
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zuzu22@webtv.net - 30 Nov 2004 22:16 GMT Kaeli wrote:
>I am never ashamed to recommend >PROPER corrections that do no harm to >an animal. Causing fear *is* doing harm and that is exactly what you are recommending doing. Think about that the next time some idiot that's 15 times bigger than you are grabs you by the neck and "corrects" you. It would either scare you or piss you off, and nether of those reactions is "positive" or makes you want to willingly change your behavior. There is no good reason to physically "correct" a cat when there are plenty of other options available that don't involve creating fear or an aggressive defensive response. Only people that enjoy harming animals choose such methods. Apparently you're one of them, especially since you went on in your previous post to completely contradict your own advice.
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Steve G - 01 Dec 2004 16:45 GMT (...)
> Causing fear *is* doing harm and that is exactly what you are > recommending doing. Think about that the next time some idiot that's 15 > times bigger than you are grabs you by the neck and "corrects" you. It > would either scare you or piss you off, and nether of those reactions is > "positive" or makes you want to willingly change your behavior. Not necessarily - if the cat has a strong scruff response, then the 'correction' does not cause fear or anger; it's basically an action of dominance that leads to the cat being calmed somewhat. If the cat does not have a strong scruff response, well, you'd better line up those skin grafts, pronto.
Not sure I'd advise scruffing in the OP's case, unless the cat is attempting to assert dominance and also has a strong scruff response. However, the OP might try to get someone *else* to squirt the cat with water when it attacks (difficult to squirt the cat yourself without being seen by said feline).
One my my cats has a strong scruff response and I will scruff him on occasion. Works well, in the right context, for the right cat.
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Mary - 01 Dec 2004 17:31 GMT > (...) > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > not have a strong scruff response, well, you'd better line up those > skin grafts, pronto. Sometimes when I pick up Cheeks to brush her teeth or carry her to the room where we sleep or maybe just put her up on the bed and clean out her eye boogies she scrambles like I am going to kill her. I began placing her back on the floor gently and talking to her calmly while very gently but firmly holding her scruff skin. I do not lift her up, just hold it while she lies on the floor. When I let go, she is calm and purring and rolling over to get her tummy rubbed--and she lets me pick her up without alarm.
kaeli - 03 Dec 2004 15:54 GMT > Works well, in the right context, for the right cat. THANK YOU!
That's all I was trying to say. Someone got it. Wow. FOR THE RIGHT CAT. IN THE RIGHT CONTEXT. Every animal is different. What works for one might be horrid for another.
Everyone else, you're really overcomplicating things. I'm not going to reply to all the other posts, since they all pretty much keep trying to make this into WAY more than it is. And I apparently suck a.s at analogies. But we knew that. Well, I did, anyway. I'm done. :)
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kaeli - 01 Dec 2004 19:18 GMT > Kaeli wrote: > >I am never ashamed to recommend [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Megan Now I'm REALLY curious. How did I contradict myself?
I posted this: [quote] From: kaeli <tiny_one@NOSPAM.comcast.net> Message-ID: <MPG.1c165b38599284e98a2d1@nntp.lucent.com> [1] By "correct", I do not mean to hurt him. A light scruff shake (just a firm grab of the scruff with his weight still on a solid surface - do not pick his weight up by his scruff, ever), a nose tap, or even a just a loud booming NO should suffice. Some cats hate getting squirted with water. Others hate loud noise. Any aversive will do. You want his respect, not fear. Note that, occasionally, bossy cats may react with further aggression (hissing, spitting, swiping, or more biting) when corrected. If he does this, STOP. You don't want a battle. You'll both lose in the long run. Stick with positive motivators to shape desired behavior and timeouts as punishment if he reacts aggressively to corrections. You may want to consult an animal behaviorist if he responds aggressively to corrections. One size does NOT fit all in animal training. [/quote]
Now, how does a light scruffing as described hurt the cat? You DID read the whole post before you went off, right? Right?
By the by, I also believe in giving human kids a good thwack on the a.s when they're misbehaving, too. Oh, but I suppose that just makes them all afraid and pissed off, too, right? That's why today's kids are so well-mannered and respectful. Because they never get a good thwack anymore. There's a ton less violence. Way less people are in prison. Crime is down. All kinds of winderful things happened when we got all P.C. and anti-thwacking. Kids really respect their elders now. Oh, wait...
I'm just so *mean*. I'm a MEANIE!! I beat up innocent cats and children!! It's my new hobby, dontchaknow. OMG!!! ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
*sheesh*
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Cheryl - 02 Dec 2004 02:39 GMT > Now, how does a light scruffing as described hurt the cat? > You DID read the whole post before you went off, right? Right? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > anti-thwacking. Kids really respect their elders now. Oh, > wait... Kaeli, I'm not getting in the middle of this, but I just want to point out that comparing cats to kids is apples and oranges. I totally agree that todays kids are f.cked up and it is mostly due to the parents. But cats don't learn in the same way kids do.
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Alison - 02 Dec 2004 11:23 GMT > On Wed 01 Dec 2004 02:18:22p, kaeli wrote in >> >> Kaeli, I'm not getting in the middle of this, but I just want to > point out that comparing cats to kids is apples and oranges. I > totally agree that todays kids are f.cked up and it is mostly due > to the parents. But cats don't learn in the same way kids do. What Cheryl said! I don't want to get in the middle,this isn't personal . Kids, believe it or not, are the same species as us:)) With kids you can explain. If you have an unpredictable cat that sometimes attacks but you don't know why and you don't know when and other times he can be the most loving cat in the world , when you are around him , no matter how much you want to love him or pet him, you are always going to be in a state of anxious anticipation of an attack and that will make you feel wary and not able to fully relax with your cat. If the position is reversed, cats will feel the same way. Alison:)
Mary - 02 Dec 2004 03:15 GMT > I'm just so *mean*. I'm a MEANIE!! I beat up innocent cats and children!! > It's my new hobby, dontchaknow. > OMG!!! > ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! > > *sheesh* You brute. ;)
Alison - 01 Dec 2004 00:27 GMT > > Ignore the advice Kaeli gave you to "correct" this cat with scruffing > > (Kaeli should be ashamed of herself for even suggesting such a thing.) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Oh, the humanity!!! > *swoon* BG , you are wicked. I have on agree with Megan on this though. Scruffing isn't a proper correction. I don't think you(one) can deal with dogs and cats in the same way. This cat is very unsettled and the owner needs to build up trust with him. Alison
kaeli - 01 Dec 2004 19:44 GMT > BG , you are wicked. I have on agree with Megan on this though. > Scruffing isn't a proper correction. I don't think you(one) can deal > with dogs and cats in the same way. This cat is very unsettled and the > owner needs to build up trust with him. > Alison Quite possibly, which is why it was offered as ONE option with the caveat that without knowing the cat, or its motivations, it's rather hard to determine a course of action. I also stated quite plainly that if the biting was due to aggression and a correction made the cat more aggressive (something the owner should know, and did, according to a follow-up post) that a correction was NOT the way to go.
The main principles of behaviorism (all of them, even the parts that are negative, such as punishment) are applicable to all animals: cats, dogs, people, horses, dolphins, and so on. It's the actual tools used that vary. A trainer who insists that one method works for all creatures is a very limited trainer. Some dogs need corrections. Others should NEVER be corrected. It depends on their personality. The same goes for cats. The type of motivators depend on the animal as well. Some animals love food. Others do better with toys or even just verbal praise and petting. I have yet to meet a horse that wasn't trained with negative reinforcement (pull on bit, horse stops, pressure releases).
People seem to think punishment (or correction, or aversive, whatever word you prefer) is a 4 letter word. It really isn't. Nor does it necessarily induce fear (if it does, it's too harsh). Example: Humans don't speed because they know if they get caught, they'll get a ticket. Getting a ticket is punishment. Most humans are not overly afraid of driving because they might get a ticket, though. Another example: A dog pulls on the lead. He gets popped with the martingale (or choker, or whatever). He stops pulling. Most dogs will not be afraid of walking on lead after a correction, though. Some will - and for those, corrections should not be used. Last example: A cat bothers the Christmas tree. The cat gets squirted with water. The cat stops bothering the tree. The cat is rarely afraid of the tree or the room, however. (simplistic, obviously, and assuming the cat doesn't like getting squirted and doesn't see who is doing the squirting)
Anyway, the solution to any problem is often so specific to the animal, its personality, its environment, and so on, that we can only offer ideas. Only the owner can know if any solution would actually work to help their problem pet.
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Alison - 01 Dec 2004 23:02 GMT > Quite possibly, which is why it was offered as ONE option with the caveat > that without knowing the cat, or its motivations, it's rather hard to > determine a course of action. >>> Yes that true. >>I also stated quite plainly that if the biting
> was due to aggression and a correction made the cat more aggressive > (something the owner should know, and did, according to a follow-up post) > that a correction was NOT the way to go.>> OK but biting *is* aggression and whether it is playing or not , it's not a good idea to scruff a cat when it bites.
> The main principles of behaviorism (all of them, even the parts that are > negative, such as punishment) are applicable to all animals: cats, dogs, > people, horses, dolphins, and so on. It's the actual tools used that vary.>>.
The learning theory is the same for all animals. It depends what tools you use. Clicker training is so successful with most species. But cats are different from dogs and horses, because they are pack and herd animals and more likely to accept being controlled. This is one reason why they are trainable and cats more difficult to train . The social part of the brain is smaller in the cat than the dog, despite the fact domestic cats can live sucessfully in colonies, they don't really pack or have a true hieraerchy. If they are confronted with any aggression or punishment they tend to fight, freeze or flee.
> trainer who insists that one method works for all creatures is a very limited > trainer. Some dogs need corrections. Others should NEVER be corrected. It > depends on their personality.>>> For dogs , maybe It depends on the correction. Correction doesn't always mean tools are used. A simple ack for dogs or psst for cats can be used .
> Last example: A cat bothers the Christmas tree. The cat gets squirted with
> water. The cat stops bothering the tree.>> >> The cat is rarely afraid of the tree > or the room, however. (simplistic, obviously, and assuming the cat doesn't > like getting squirted and doesn't see who is doing the squirting)>> Your'e assuming a lot here , every cat is different and reacts differently. How many posts have you read here people have said I've tried the squirt bottle and it doesn't work? Some cats might just carry on when you are not in the room . It needs to be "an act of God " and I think with squirting you have to be quite close to the cat and that's hard to do with out him knowing. Some cats might avoid the tree or room but my main worry is that the cat will be frightened of the owner or lose trust in him or her. A cat climbing is a normal behaviour , he doesn't know that climbing a Christmas tree is "wrong ", after all he's allowed to climb cat trees etc , he's doing something enjoyable and all of a sudden someone whom he trusts and he loves does something nasty and unpleasant and he has no idea why. He would be bewildered and confused and find his owner unpredictable. Imagine how you would feel if you were doing something, say you were out walking your dog and you walked on part of someone's property with out realising and they started yelling and throwing water at you , what would you think and what would you do?
The dog world is changing, biologists and behaviourist are moving away from the dogs are wolves theory, alpha rolls have tended to be ineffective and can lead to aggression and more humane methods of training are being used. The cat world is beginning to change too but not as fast.Why does the spray have to be the first resort instead of the last ? Cats are cats and they don't deserve to be treated in this way, I've noticed a positive change on this group in the four and a half years I've been posting here, more people seem to be coming up with ideas on how to train cats with out using water or scruffing which is good to see. I think we need to encourage people looking for help to use postive methods and be very cautious in our advice or we could do more harm than good. I sorry to bang on about this but I really feel very strongly about it. Alison:)
> -- > ~kaeli~ [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart > http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace Tracy - 03 Dec 2004 04:14 GMT I'm generally an advocate of the time-out. Especially with a generally friendly and sociable cat. Say "owwww", look distressed, leave the room immediately and close the door. If the cat follows you out, confine the cat in the new room. Give it 10 minutes or so and then open the door with no further incident and act normal. Do exactly the same thing every time the cat bites. He'll put 2 and 2 together sooner or later and realize that biting the human leads to nothing good.
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