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Laser use in neutering procedure?

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Cheryl - 24 Nov 2004 04:06 GMT
I talked to our vet about the kittens neutering (it will be done at
their next appt, in three weeks). I forgot to ask about their use of
laser in the neutering procedure.  What is it, and is this a common
neutering procedure?  The estimate of charges adds $50 for each
kitten for "laser".

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KellyH - 24 Nov 2004 04:11 GMT
>I talked to our vet about the kittens neutering (it will be done at
> their next appt, in three weeks). I forgot to ask about their use of
> laser in the neutering procedure.  What is it, and is this a common
> neutering procedure?  The estimate of charges adds $50 for each
> kitten for "laser".

I've never heard of using a laser for neutering.  Now that I help out on
vetting day at the shelter, I've watched many a neuter and I don't really
know how they would use a neuter.  Neuters take about 5 minutes for the vet
to do and are extremely simple.  I don't know that it would be neccessary.
As far as spays go, you may opt for the laser for piece of mind, but with
your kittens being so young, they aren't going to bleed much and should
bounce back quickly, anyway.

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Judy - 24 Nov 2004 05:31 GMT
>I talked to our vet about the kittens neutering (it will be done at
> their next appt, in three weeks). I forgot to ask about their use of
> laser in the neutering procedure.  What is it, and is this a common
> neutering procedure?  The estimate of charges adds $50 for each
> kitten for "laser".

Why don't you simply call your vet and ask??
Cheryl - 25 Nov 2004 03:21 GMT
>>I talked to our vet about the kittens neutering (it will be done
>>at
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>
> Why don't you simply call your vet and ask??

Gee Judy, I sure wish I had thought of that. I prefer to do some of
my own research before such things are done.  

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Judy - 25 Nov 2004 04:28 GMT
>>>I talked to our vet about the kittens neutering (it will be done
>>>at
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>> Why don't you simply call your vet and ask??
> Gee Judy, I sure wish I had thought of that.

Well, it's not to late to call.

>I prefer to do some of my own research before such things are done.

Seeing as you forgot to ask the vet about the use of the laser in the
neutering procedure, wouldn't finding out what they have to say about it be
helpful in your research?
Sherry - 25 Nov 2004 18:49 GMT
>>> Why don't you simply call your vet and ask??
>> Gee Judy, I sure wish I had thought of that.
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>neutering procedure, wouldn't finding out what they have to say about it be
>helpful in your research?

I find it's more helpful to me, to research, ask opinions on this newsgroup
BEFORE you see the vet. That way, you are armed with a little knowledge and
more questions.

Sherry
Judy - 26 Nov 2004 04:09 GMT
>>>> Why don't you simply call your vet and ask??
>>> Gee Judy, I sure wish I had thought of that.
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> newsgroup
> BEFORE you see the vet.

>That way, you are armed with a little knowledge and
> more questions.

I agree and that's why as well as researching and asking opinions from the
ng, I also call my vet for explainations of things. Adds to the knowledge
base and the list of questions prior to an actual visit.

Judy
Phil P. - 24 Nov 2004 14:06 GMT
> I talked to our vet about the kittens neutering (it will be done at
> their next appt, in three weeks). I forgot to ask about their use of
> laser in the neutering procedure.  What is it, and is this a common
> neutering procedure?  The estimate of charges adds $50 for each
> kitten for "laser".

I can understand why a laser would be advantageous in some surgeries but not
in male neuters.  The main advantages of a laser are better hemostasis and
less post-op swelling and pain - neither of which are a significant problem
in male neuters.  And performed properly, there should be very little, if
any bleeding during female neuters (ovariohysterectomy) as you can see in
this video:

http://www.maxshouse.com/Early_Age_Spay-1.wmv

Save the $150 and use it for a kickin' cat tree! ;->

Phil
kaeli - 24 Nov 2004 16:19 GMT
> The main advantages of a laser are better hemostasis and
> less post-op swelling and pain - neither of which are a significant problem
> in male neuters.  And performed properly, there should be very little, if
> any bleeding during female neuters (ovariohysterectomy)

I had my dog spayed with the laser, and she sure looked better than the other
pets I had spayed. It healed a bit faster, swelled a lot less, and looked
less, well, icky, for lack of a better word.
I'll never get another spay (or any invasive surgery) without it.
Castration, however, never looked bad and my males never seemed affected by
it. I doubt I'd pay extra for it for a male. All the males I've had neutered
seemed fine the next day and I never saw swelling or redness or anything with
them. So I don't think it would buy them anything.

(note that I wait until 4-5 months to neuter - EAN may be different)

My 2 cents, based solely on my experience. YMMV.

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Phil P. - 25 Nov 2004 00:47 GMT
> > The main advantages of a laser are better hemostasis and
> > less post-op swelling and pain - neither of which are a significant problem
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> pets I had spayed. It healed a bit faster, swelled a lot less, and looked
> less, well, icky, for lack of a better word.

Sounds like the problem was due more to poor surgical skill than the choice
of instruments.

Phil
kaeli - 29 Nov 2004 16:45 GMT
> > I had my dog spayed with the laser, and she sure looked better than the
> other
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> Sounds like the problem was due more to poor surgical skill than the choice
> of instruments.

Then I've had nothing but incompetant vets.

Not that I'm saying that's not possible. *heh*

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Phil P. - 30 Nov 2004 00:57 GMT
> > > I had my dog spayed with the laser, and she sure looked better than the
> > other
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> Then I've had nothing but incompetant vets.

Not necessarily.  Some vets are just better surgeons than others.

Phil
Cheryl - 25 Nov 2004 03:16 GMT
>> I talked to our vet about the kittens neutering (it will be
>> done at their next appt, in three weeks). I forgot to ask about
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Phil

But from other posts, would it be better to get Scarlett the laser,
and just have Rhett neutered the regular way?  I only ask all this
because I've never had kittens before, all of my adults have come
al
9rey900000009

already neutered. (Scarlett's input above) Just like when our vet
gave an estimate for Shamrock's recent dental work, they put in the
"worst case scenario" just so I wouldn't be shocked by a possible
high bill. We had other things to talk about at their visits, and
they were quite ill when I first got them, so getting rid of the
URI was top on my list to talk about.

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ps - they LOVE the cat trees I have. Shamrock is possesive and
tries to play "king of the mountain" with them, but two against one
is no match.  hehehe

Phil P. - 26 Nov 2004 06:22 GMT
> >> I talked to our vet about the kittens neutering (it will be
> >> done at their next appt, in three weeks). I forgot to ask about
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> But from other posts, would it be better to get Scarlett the laser,
> and just have Rhett neutered the regular way?

Sure, if you feel more comfortable with the laser.

Phil

I only ask all this
> because I've never had kittens before, all of my adults have come
> al
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> they were quite ill when I first got them, so getting rid of the
> URI was top on my list to talk about.
Steve Crane - 24 Nov 2004 15:52 GMT
> I talked to our vet about the kittens neutering (it will be done at
> their next appt, in three weeks). I forgot to ask about their use of
> laser in the neutering procedure.  What is it, and is this a common
> neutering procedure?  The estimate of charges adds $50 for each
> kitten for "laser".

The "laser" is a cutting instrument. Like a scalpel, but uses laser
light energy to make the cut. It has real advantages in that is
immediately cauterizes the wound area and prevents any blood loss etc.
It makes for a very clean and nice surgical cut. However using it for
a neuter seems a bit much to me. I'd opt for the old stainless steel
scalpel for this kind of surgery.
Cheryl - 25 Nov 2004 03:20 GMT
>> I talked to our vet about the kittens neutering (it will be
>> done at their next appt, in three weeks). I forgot to ask about
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> However using it for a neuter seems a bit much to me. I'd opt
> for the old stainless steel scalpel for this kind of surgery.

thanks for the input, Steve. I don't think they did any laser
cutting at the clinic when I used to volunteer as a fosterer, but I
honestly didn't pay attention to their surgical techniques. The
estimate I was given when it was broken down like they did just
made me question why the laser charges.  I will do whatever is the
best way to do it. You guys seem to agree that laser is overkill.

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