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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / October 2003Biting me while I'm asleep
Hi everyone, My 1-year-old kitty, Zali, has taken to biting me while I'm sleeping. She'll bite me relatively softly the first time and wake me up. I tell her "no" groggily (and in a near-whisper so as not to wake my partner) and then go back to sleep. Then about five minutes later she'll bites me again, hard enough to be painful but not to leave marks. I usually tell her "no" more forcefully and shove her off the bed. Sometimes she'll jump back up almost immediately after I shove her off, bite me again, and then quickly jump down and go away. It's as though she is retaliating for me shoving her off the bed, like she has to have the last word or something. Until last night, two bites (one soft and one hard), plus maybe one retaliatory bite seemed to be it. Last night she bit me a third time after I had shoved her off the bed and gone back to sleep. And then she retaliated after I shoved her off, too. I'm worried that the behaviour is increasing. I'd really like her to continue to sleep with us because she loves it and we love it (except when she hogs the blankets!) She's usually alone all day when we're at work, so I like to spend as much time with her as possible. I just hate being woken up in the middle of night, especially by biting! I don't know if her motive is that she wants attention or that maybe I'm twitching in my sleep or something and she goes into attack mode. I suspect it's because she wants attention. I'm wondering what the best course of action is for dealing with this behaviour. Obviously what I'm doing isn't working. When making suggestions, bear in mind that I'm half asleep when this is happening! Thanks so much! Kind regards, Tara, the first-time kitty mom > My 1-year-old kitty, Zali, has taken to > biting me while I'm sleeping. She'll [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > shoving her off the bed, like she has to > have the last word or something. When you treat your cat in an aggressive manner, such as shoving her off the bed, you can expect your cat to respond aggressively. Punishment and negative tactics do not work with cats. What you will need to do to curb your cat's biting and waking you up is to make her understand that the behavior she is exhibiting is not appropriate. "Punishment" is not necessary. You will have to be consistent in what you do and not let her get away with even one time of this behavior. Starting immediately, as soon as she starts in with the biting behavior, get up, *don't say anything or react in any other way,* calmly and *gently* remove her from your room, close the door and go back to bed. A few times of this and she is going to start associating her biting you with being banished from the bedroom. It's obvious she wants the attention and not only *not* getting it, but also being isolated from you will not make her a happy camper and she'll soon realize that she's going to have to stop doing what she is doing if she wants your company during sleeping hours. It is also important that every time she behaves you make a fuss over her, cuddle her, tell her how wonderful she is and allow her to stay in the bedroom. Positive reinforcement of her good behavior will make her want to continue it. I know it's a pain in the butt to have to get up when you're tired, but it's only for a minute while you work on this and believe me that you won't have to do it for very long before she gets the picture. Megan  Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray Hi Megan , Nice answer. I like the way the cat world is changing its attitudes towards punishment and correctons and using more positive methods . It seemed that websites and cat forums were automatically giving the same advice that's been given out for years and some still do . Its time for them to move forward as this group is doing.. Alison > . > [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > - W.H. Murray Hi Megan, and everyone else who replied, Thanks so much for all the advice. I'm going to try Megan's suggestion first as this approach did work in the past when Zali was younger and would play with noisy things in the bedroom while we were trying to sleep. Last night I started gently removing her from the room when she bit me the first time. I'll report on my progress when I have some, especially for Cheryl with the foot attacker! I do want to say that "shove" isn't the right word--I was more like pushing her off the bed by her behind. I wasn't sending poor kitty flying off the bed or anything! I agree that punishment isn't the way to go, but sometimes I don't know what other alternative there is. That's what you guys are for! :) I sometimes get lackadaisical about making sure I give Zali enough attention, and I'm sure that contributes to her naughtiness. So I'm also going to make sure she gets lots of love, especially before bed, and praise when she's being good (that's the part that's so easy to forget!). Thanks again! I'll keep you posted. Kind regards, Tara and Zali > > My 1-year-old kitty, Zali, has taken to > > biting me while I'm sleeping. She'll [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > > - W.H. Murray > > My 1-year-old kitty, Zali, has taken to > > biting me while I'm sleeping. She'll [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > to make her understand that the behavior she is exhibiting is not > appropriate. "Punishment" is not necessary. This is total bullcrap. Punishment is the only thing that any living creature bent on asserting his will over yours will respect. And with a stupid animal, its the only thing they'll even understand. Go ahead and follow this person's advice, Tara. But I wouldn't recommend using it on your kids. We already have a nation full of little monsters now who've never been told that they aren't the only people in the world. They smear their feces on the wall and people like zuzu tells them that it's art. Just like with your cat. Physical discipline is the only thing that will work long-term. And even then, it's an every day chore keeping it maintained. IBen G. << Physical discipline is the only thing that will work long-term. And even then, it's an every day chore keeping it maintained. IBen G. >> Blurp, the scum-sucking neo-nazi is back. Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail) See my cats: http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace > << Physical discipline is the only thing that > will work long-term. And even then, it's an every day chore keeping it [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > See my cats: > http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace Leave your political affiliations at the door, bucko. No name-calling bigoted hate-filled swine allowed. This is a kitty place. Funny how you never follow your own advice. Get off the channel Iben and take your facist views with you! > Leave your political affiliations at the door, bucko. No name-calling > bigoted hate-filled swine allowed. This is a kitty place. | Hi everyone, | [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] | | Tara, the first-time kitty mom Hi Tara, It sounds as though your kitty does, for whatever reason, feel that she's not getting enough of your undivided attention. She is demanding a bit more of your time. You can try having a one-on-one, interractive play session with her just before bed and see if that calms her down. Use a feather, a cat dancer, a ribbon, or some other toy that requires a human hand for play time. Wear her down by playing with her and having her running for a good 15 minutes before bed. Hopefully that will tire her out and she will relax and sleep. If all else fails, you can try getting her a playmate. When she wants attention, or someone to play with and you are otherwise occupied, she will have another kitty there to taunt and play with. -- Hugs, Lynn sewfinefashions@shawCLOTHES.ca *strip CLOTHES to reply* Homepage: http://members.shaw.ca/sewfinefashions/ See my boys: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/papavince_29/ >If all else fails, you can try getting her a playmate. When she wants attention, or >someone to play with and you are otherwise occupied, she will have another kitty there to >taunt and play with. I tryed that and now I have TWO kittens that attached any movement under the sheets OR they get wrestling with each other on the bed in the middle of the night OR they get chasing each other up and other the bed and me. But then I do not really mind it. In fact at times when they wake me I will play with them and edge them on. I enjoy the time with them. It seems they spend most of the day time sleeping - especially the smaller ones. http://www.ameritech.net/users/lestark/my-babies.htm > >If all else fails, you can try getting her a playmate. When she wants attention, or > >someone to play with and you are otherwise occupied, she will have another kitty there to [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > http://www.ameritech.net/users/lestark/my-babies.htm Rascal looks like she has a little moustache and goatee...adorable! Deb SignatureMy basic principle is that you don't make decisions because they are easy; you don't make them because they are cheap; you don't make them because they're popular; you make them because they're right. Theodore Hesburgh > Hi everyone, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > had shoved her off the bed and gone back to sleep. And then she retaliated > after I shoved her off, too. I'm worried that the behaviour is increasing. Hi Tara, It sounds to me that the biting, shoving off, biting, shoving off has turned into a game for Zali. It's one way of getting your attention and getting a bit of playtime (from her perspective). A one-year-old has lots of energy and I think she's not expending it sufficiently. I don't know how much you play with her when you are home, but it would be a good idea to have a good long play session with her just before bedtime to tucker her out and if possible also in the morning before you go out. Does she have areas she can climb and play on (a cat tree or condo with various levels), a place in front of a window where she can watch the world go by, etc.? As to the biting, you must be absolutely consistent in helping her learn that biting is not acceptable. You can do this by saying "no" as you are doing - do it every time, but do nothing else, and ignore her; don't "reward" her with anything that could remotely be interpreted by her as play - get under the blankets so she can't bite you again. You can also let out a high-pitched "ooooowwwww" instead of "no" and then ignore her. I think lots of playtime, however, is the key. Have you considered a little buddy? Introductions at this age are usually not a problem but should still be done carefully (there are several very good sites with hints if you decide to get her a buddy who needs a home which I think would be great for Zali). > I'd really like her to continue to sleep with us because she loves it and we > love it (except when she hogs the blankets!) She's usually alone all day [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > twitching in my sleep or something and she goes into attack mode. I suspect > it's because she wants attention. I really don't think you will need to give up sleeping with Zali. Be consistent, play with her as much as you can, and consider a feline playmate. Hope some of the above helps. M. > I'm wondering what the best course of action is for dealing with this > behaviour. Obviously what I'm doing isn't working. When making suggestions, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Tara, the first-time kitty mom Your cat is just giving you love bites. Be honored that she is doing so. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > Hi everyone, > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Tara, the first-time kitty mom > Hi everyone, > > My 1-year-old kitty, Zali, has taken to biting me while I'm > sleeping. She'll bite me relatively softly the first time and wake > me up. I hope you find a solution to this because I have a two year old who attacks my feet while I'm sleeping, too. He leaves me with scratches that I sometimes don't notice until I'm in the shower. YOW... if you find something that works, please post back? :) > In news:%le2b.24507$ho5.320493@news2.telusplanet.net, >> > I hope you find a solution to this because I have a two year old who > attacks my feet while I'm sleeping, too. He leaves me with scratches > that I sometimes don't notice until I'm in the shower. YOW... if you > find something that works, please post back? :) Hi Cheryl , How about a frame that goes under the bedding , keeps the covers *and* the cat off your feet . LOL Alison >I hope you find a solution to this because I have a two year old who >attacks my feet while I'm sleeping, too. He leaves me with scratches >that I sometimes don't notice until I'm in the shower. YOW... if you >find something that works, please post back? :) Aww, Cheryl, he's just attacking the bed mice. If you find a solution then you'll be over-run with those pesky invisible bed mice. Sherry >> I hope you find a solution to this because I have a two year old >> who attacks my feet while I'm sleeping, too. He leaves me with [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Sherry Owwwww.... :) > Hi everyone, > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Tara, the first-time kitty mom We shared your problem with our little guy, Tara, but it came to us in two parts. The first part was, our cat would wake us up every nite by prancing around the bed and the like. We took care of this by putting him (as well as his food and water, for all you animal rites wackos) in a spare bedroom. At first he didn't like it. He would only go if he was carried. But he eventually fell into line. Now he actually gets up immediately and trotts into his room on the command of "Chessie... Chop-Chop!" He then gets petted and sweet-talked for a minute, and we're cool till morning. Can you believe it..? A cat that obeys orders! The other problem,.. the biting issue. He still tries to get a quick one off on the wife now and again, but he won't try it with me. The way I handled it was when he would bite me and then take off running, I would chase him down no matter where he tried to hide and swatt him with a rolled up newspaper or something equally less harmful. Even if he went behind the furniture, I would simply move it and uncover his hiding place. It sure made a big impact, and fast. Now he understands that a bite will come with a price, and no matter where he goes, he'll pay that price. Bottom line... it works. Anyway, I suggest you let your 'partner' deal with the cat on this issue (assuming this person is a guy).Good luck with your little monster. Best take care of his undisciplined streak before he turns into a big monster. The kind that will land you in court and will make your homeowner's insurance go way up. Regards... IBen Getiner >> The way I handled it was when he would bite me and then take off > running, I would chase him down no matter where he tried to hide and > swatt him with a rolled up newspaper or something equally less > harmful. Even if he went behind the furniture, I would simply move it > and uncover his hiding place. It sure made a big impact, and fast. > Regards... IBen Getiner poor little mite! :-( > >> The way I handled it was when he would bite me and then take off > > running, I would chase him down no matter where he tried to hide and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > poor little mite! :-( IBen Getiner was posting here maybe several months ago - not worth one's while, IMO, based on his past posts. Cathy -- "Staccato signals of constant information..." ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon > > >> The way I handled it was when he would bite me and then take off > > > running, I would chase him down no matter where he tried to hide and [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Cathy That's not fair, Cathy. My cat RESPECTS me. He does what I say NOT because he is afraid, but because he loves me. He looks to me as the 'leader of the pack' and he is always eager to please. He turned out just like my kids have (I only had to spank them once). You people just don't know the value of discipline, that's all. You see anything that imposes rules and limits as wrong and somehow detrimental to the pet. It's just like the declawing issue. You're only against it because it imposes the owner's will and removes the pet's will. And that is where the problem lies. The pet (or the child for that matter) should be subordinate to the master (or the parent). Destructive leanings must be haulted. That's all. Otherwise, you have a cat (or a kid) that is running the show. When they don't get what they percieve as their right, they BITE. Well, Chessie bites no more. Not me anyway. He only bites my wife. And quite curiously, she's the one who feed him! Then, he spends the entire evening with his head resting on my foot while the three of us watch TV. > > > >> The way I handled it was when he would bite me and then take off > > > > running, I would chase him down no matter where he tried to hide and [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > That's not fair, Cathy. Based on your past posts, it most certainly is a fair appraisal. > My cat RESPECTS me. He does what I say NOT because he is afraid, but because he loves me. Yeah, right. If you say so. Cathy -- "Staccato signals of constant information..." ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon He looks to me as the > 'leader of the pack' and he is always eager to please. He turned out > just like my kids have (I only had to spank them once). 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Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk? http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace ------------------------------------------------- Keep living in a dream world Iben. Cats are the ruling body and you are not as great as you think you are. I bet you are still pro-declaw and feel you know better than all of us on how to care for cats. > That's not fair, Cathy. My cat RESPECTS me. He does what I say NOT > because he is afraid, but because he loves me. He looks to me as the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > entire evening with his head resting on my foot while the three of us > watch TV. > Keep living in a dream world Iben. Cats are the ruling body and you are not > as great as you think you are. This shows how much you know, fairy-duster... Even the wife says that the cat knows that I'm #1 and he thinks he's #2. Over her, even. > I bet you are still pro-declaw Yes. We even had Chessie's rear claws removed recently (new vinyl furniture). And he's never been happier. He's a happy kitty. Everyday and in every way. Look, you helpless piece of plankton... I'd smash anyone who would hurt my cat. Do you think for one minute that I would do something that I thought would hurt him? Sick friggin' pencil-necked geek. > and feel you > know better than all of us on how to care for cats. I never said that. I simply differ with many of you on a few key issues. I even agree with you once in a blue moon. When you're asleep. Fairy duster? Is that some sort of broom or something? But seriously, I have to wonder why you bother to post here? The way you treat cats is disgusting and I feel very sad for any cat that you happen to come across. You seem to get a great kick out of hurting cats and that is sick in my book. You say you'd smash anyone who would hurt your cat but you yourself have done so by declawing them. You call me a sick, pencil necked geak simply because I don't believe in harming a cat. I'd think that would make me a caring individual who believes that cats deserve our respect and love not some sicko who believes that harming them is the best way to solve the problem. Declawing is hurting them. You also seem to state that your wife says that the cat knows you are number 1? By the wording am I to gather you feel that your wife goes along with everything you say and that you are the one and only law in your household? People, don't listen to Iben. He cares nothing for cats and he doesn't know a thing about caring for them. All he seems to like to do is terrorize the newsgroup and threaten anyone who stands up to him. > This shows how much you know, fairy-duster... Even the wife says that > the cat knows that I'm #1 and he thinks he's #2. Over her, even. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > I never said that. I simply differ with many of you on a few key > issues. I even agree with you once in a blue moon. When you're asleep. > People, don't listen to Iben. He cares nothing for cats and he doesn't know > a thing about caring for them. All he seems to like to do is terrorize the > newsgroup and threaten anyone who stands up to him. You know, when you respond to a troll people are trying to killfile, we have to filter through your responses, too. He's a moron. Leave it at that. Do you really need to argue with the mentally challenged? ------------------------------------------------- ~kaeli~ Press any key to continue or any other key to quit. Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk? http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace ------------------------------------------------- > > People, don't listen to Iben. He cares nothing for cats and he doesn't know > > a thing about caring for them. All he seems to like to do is terrorize the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > ------------------------------------------------- > ~kaeli~ ooops guilty too sorry Kaeli ;-) > > > People, don't listen to Iben. He cares nothing for cats and he doesn't > know [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > ooops guilty too sorry Kaeli ;-) Yes, sue... better fall into line, or the alpha-female might cut you off from the rest of the pack. > > People, don't listen to Iben. He cares nothing for cats and he doesn't know > > a thing about caring for them. All he seems to like to do is terrorize the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > He's a moron. Leave it at that. Do you really need to argue with the > mentally challenged? Now there's a brave soul. She 'killfiles' me and then takes stabs at me thru other people's postings! Look here, little lady... I know you haven't killfiled anyone! I know you can read this (although for the sake of face, you'll never respond). People like YOU can no more put away people like me than you could stop yourself from looking at a bad accident on the freeway. You love it. You need it. And right here within your very own post, you're GOT yourself some of it! But it's okay, kaeli... Uncle IBen understands. Just remember, he's always here when you need another fix. > Fairy duster? Is that some sort of broom or something? But seriously, I have > to wonder why you bother to post here? The way you treat cats is disgusting [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > a thing about caring for them. All he seems to like to do is terrorize the > newsgroup and threaten anyone who stands up to him. well said..... I hate bullies! and control freaks..... Bebe sucks at my neck too, if my partner disapproved I'd say tough, why are you jealous! LOL you can tell Iben is a controlling person! poor cats and wife! > Fairy duster? Is that some sort of broom or something? No. It's something fairies do with a broom to other fairies. > But seriously, I AM serious. > I have > to wonder why you bother to post here? That's a stupid question. I mean, how blind can you be...? > The way you treat cats is disgusting In your twisted opinion. > and I feel very sad for any cat that you happen to come across. You seem to > get a great kick out of hurting cats and that is sick in my book. Enforcing rules is never sick. And when I do have to level the boom, it hurts me more than it hurts them (athough NEVER more than everything seems to hurt you, I'm sure) > You say > you'd smash anyone who would hurt your cat but you yourself have done so by > declawing them. I know that this doesn't sit well with your warped and deviant view of the real world, but for the thousandth time... NO, it doesn't hurt my cat. He has never been happier. He spends his days lounging about.. sprawled out on his back, spread eagle like a butterflied Fillet on a grill. He is well-rounded and very gentle, only taking upside down make-believe swipes at us with his little paw as we pass. I'm very sorry to rain on your parade mister girlie-man, but Chessie is always very happy. I know this must sadden you a great deal. > You call me a sick, pencil necked geak simply because I don't believe in > harming a cat. It has nothing to do with that. I think we're clear on this. I know we've talked about it before. > I'd think that would make me a caring individual who believes > that cats deserve our respect and love not some sicko who believes that > harming them is the best way to solve the problem. We both feel the same way, but you're just too screwed up to know it. I too believe that anyone abusing animals is wrong and indeed quite sick. But I don't confuse loving hands-on discipline with abuse. If you are FAIR and not cruel, it will come back to you tenfold in the form of geneuine love and respect. The cat knows I am offended when he breaks my rules. He knows exactly what those few rules are, so he knows I am fair when I scold him or otherwise run him away. You don't 'love' a subordinate by letting them run rough-shodd over long-established standards. All you get is a little monster. One that people talk about behind your back. Your entire generation is a testament to this. A brood of natural born killers, and now one is trying to give me a lecture on discipline! What a riot! > Declawing is hurting > them. So is spaying and neutering. A barbaric proceedure I am proud to say was never visited upon my cat. You being so concerned with kitties suffering and all probably already know this, though. Well... what about about it? > You also seem to state that your wife says that the cat knows you are > number 1? By the wording am I to gather you feel that your wife goes along > with everything you say Yes. You would be correct. > and that you are the one and only law in your > household? No. You would be in error. We both agree on everything the other says and does. I'm not kidding. We think EXACTLY alike. Where you're confused is with the roles of each gender (not suprising). My wife understands the role that she plays as to be the female role. She also understands mine to be the male role (I know I'm loosing you here, but bear with me). We perfectly complement one another in each and every way. This is the way a marriage should be. Both without any un-met needs. But this is really none of your buisness. You probably can't understand me anyway, so why am I even wasting my time.? > People, don't listen to Iben. I guess now you think you're the 'group protector'! Get a grip. Nobody here takes you seriously. > He cares nothing for cats and he doesn't know > a thing about caring for them. All he seems to like to do is terrorize the > newsgroup and threaten anyone who stands up to him. Like, when have I threatened anybody? If you sense that I am threatening the vantage point from whence you view your reality, then this would be a good point to bring up at your next therapy session. "Hark..! Hark..!" harkened he! You are really screwed up and it seems everyone knows it except you. How is my opinion twisted? I would think calling you sick would be straighforward and honest opinion. Iben you don't really belong in society and once again, I feel sorry for any cat or any person you encounter. You say you don't like abusing animals yet you had your cat declawed and now state it was because the feline was breaking the rules. How can a cat using their natural insticts to claw be against the rules? Besides, what rules of the house require a cat to be mutilated? You also have no problems hitting your cat which is clearly abusing them. You say my views are warped and a devient view of the world. How come I am the one who believes in not declawing or harming a cat and you do? I also believe in women being equal to men and yet you don't. Who's views are warped here? I do believe it is yours. I read your garbage here in this thread and in this group and the description you gave shows the cat is afraid of you. How many times have you terrorized this poor cat? I have the respect and love of my cats and I have not once had to hit them. I believe in taking great care of them and using more positive and less severe methods to teach them right from wrong. You say we both feel the same way but yet I am against your methods and of course the way we treat our cats is very different. That is hardly feeling the same way you do. Iben I'll state it again. You make me sick! You see cats and from previous posts women as property and seem to have issues with anger. You also seem to take great joy in terrorizing this newsgroup and threaten anyone who stands against you. I for one am not afraid of you. It is you who is the monster and not your cat. Don't sit here and tell everyone how your cat loves you even though you have no problem swatting him or using brutal methods to try and control him. I bet you have not asked the cat how he feels. I wouldn't be at all surprised that this cat is afraid of you. I have seen your posts and you seem to have no knowledge of the difference between love and fear. It is not the cat who is the monster, it is you. Learn to accept that fact. > No. It's something fairies do with a broom to other fairies. > > In your twisted opinion. > Enforcing rules is never sick. And when I do have to level the boom, > it hurts me more than it hurts them (athough NEVER more than > everything seems to hurt you, I'm sure) > I know that this doesn't sit well with your warped and deviant view of > the real world, but for the thousandth time... NO, it doesn't hurt my [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > It has nothing to do with that. I think we're clear on this. I know > we've talked about it before. > We both feel the same way, but you're just too screwed up to know it. > I too believe that anyone abusing animals is wrong and indeed quite [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > "Hark..! Hark..!" harkened he! >From: "Cathy Friedmann" clfr@adelphia.net >> >> The way I handled it was when he would bite me and then take off >> > running, I would chase him down no matter where he tried to hide and [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Cathy Yep, a troll for sure. ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm << IBen Getiner was posting here maybe several months ago - not worth one's while, IMO, based on his past posts. Cathy >> Couldn't agree with you more, Cathy. He's vile. Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail) See my cats: http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace Ignore/killfile IBen Getiner. He is a white supremacist troll. > We shared your problem with our little guy, Tara, but it came to us in > two parts. The first part was, our cat would wake us up every nite by > prancing around the bed and the like. We took care of this by putting > him (as well as his food and water, for all you animal rites wackos) > in a spare bedroom. I think you'll find thats already been suggested on this group so hardly original and I'm not sure what you mean by animal *rites* wackos. I'm sure no one practises animal sacrifices or what ever on this group , >At first he didn't like it. He would only go if he > was carried. But he eventually fell into line. Now he actually gets up > immediately and trotts into his room on the command of "Chessie... > Chop-Chop!" He then gets petted and sweet-talked for a minute, and > we're cool till morning. Can you believe it..? A cat that obeys > orders! Yes, I can believe it . My cat does what I ask ( I dont order , I'm not a control freak ). I used clicker traing and reward method. > The other problem,.. the biting issue. He still tries to get a quick > one off on the wife now and again, but he won't try it with me. > The way I handled it was when he would bite me and then take off > running, I would chase him down no matter where he tried to hide and > swatt him with a rolled up newspaper or something equally less > harmful. well, I certainly advise using a rolled- up newspaper . What you should do is hit your self over the head with it saying " Iben an idiot , I must not hit my cat " Alison > > The other problem,.. the biting issue. He still tries to get a > quick [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > idiot , I must not hit my cat " > Alison Alison, I love it! LOL!! MaryL >From: "Alison" alison@XallofusX.fsnet.co.uk >IBen Getiner" <lappcatt@msn.com> wrote in >I would chase him down no matter where he tried to hide and >> swatt him with a rolled up newspaper or something equally less [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >idiot , I must not hit my cat " > Alison When I first started reading where you said use a rolled up newspaper, I thought you had lost it, Alison. ROFLMAO!!!!!!! Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm > When I first started reading where you said use a rolled up newspaper, I > thought you had lost it, Alison. ROFLMAO!!!!!!! > > Lauren > ________ LOL. I try not to get too personal but I just couldn't resist it. Alison > > We shared your problem with our little guy, Tara, but it came to us > in [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > wackos. I'm sure no one practises animal sacrifices or what ever on > this group , You know EXACTLY what I mean, so don't go play stupid. IBen wasn't born into the discussion group thing yeasterday. > >At first he didn't like it. He would only go if he > > was carried. But he eventually fell into line. Now he actually gets [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Yes, I can believe it . My cat does what I ask ( I dont order , I'm > not a control freak ). I'm not a control freak either, my dear. I have very few rules around my home. Anyone with 1/2 a grain of common sense knows you don't go laying a lot of rules on a cat. My cat does what I ask of him because he LOVES and RESPECTS me, and wishes to please me. He recogonizes me to be the alpha-male of the pack. Cats understand hierarchy, you see. They're pack-animals. An example of his loyality... He still tries to nurse off the wife's neck every chance he gets, even though he's almost two. He knows I dissaprove, so if he "wants the female" as I like to say, he has to be very sneaky. He will jump up on her chest and with eyes rooted upon me, and then he will slowly make his move. He only tries to rush up there for a quick suckle if he thinks I'm not watching, or I am otherwise preoccupied. But when he sees me tending a glare, his ears flatten out and he slowly backs away. I don't even need to say a word. He knows he's in the wrong. Within 5 minutes, he's back resting his head on my outstreached foot. Mine, mind you. Not the wife's. Not only does he do as I wish because he loves me.... he does it because he knows the alpha-male is FAIR. > I used clicker traing and reward method. I don't believe you. A dog, yes. A cat... impossible. > > The other problem,.. the biting issue. He still tries to get a > quick [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > well, I certainly advise using a rolled- up newspaper . A couple of shots from a squirt-gun full of H20 works great, thankx > What you > should do is hit your self over the head with it saying " Iben an > idiot , I must not hit my cat " > Alison Just as with the lawless kids you warped people have raised over the last 30 years, and we've told ya' over and over.... YOU ONLY HAVE TO INFLECT CORPOREAL PUNISHMENT ONCE. The rest is all done with body language, vocal inflections and eye-gestures. I would advise you to leave the job of discipline to the man in your life. But most women these days have so sissyfied their men that there is now practically no outward difference between them and the gays. Let Tara's cat bite her. I don't care. I merely offer my 2 cents. Take it or... well, you know the prescribed drill by now, I'm sure. IBen > > > We shared your problem with our little guy, Tara, but it came to us > > in [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > I'm not a control freak either, my dear. I have very few rules around > my home. Rules???? LOL sounds very controlling to me Anyone with 1/2 a grain of common sense knows you don't go > laying a lot of rules on a cat. My cat does what I ask of him because > he LOVES and RESPECTS me, and wishes to please me. He recogonizes me > to be the alpha-male of the pack. my cats love me too, think its because i love and resect them! > Cats understand hierarchy, you see. They're pack-animals. > An example of his loyality... but we have almost made them domesticated...... dogs understand pack leaders and really need a top dog, cats no I don't think they are like this, well not in our home anyway. I don't have any problems with them. He still tries to nurse off the wife's > neck every chance he gets, even though he's almost two. He knows I > dissaprove, so if he "wants the female" as I like to say, he has to be > very sneaky. He will jump up on her chest and with eyes rooted upon > me, and then he will slowly make his move. He only tries to rush up > there for a quick suckle if he thinks I'm not watching, or I am > otherwise preoccupied. my cat Bebe does this too, there is nothing wrong with it, why do you dissapprove????? you can tell you are controlling by the way you call your wife as 'the wife' 'the female' showing no respect! the fact he looks at you show insurcuity I think. But when he sees me tending a glare, his ears > flatten out and he slowly backs away. I don't even need to say a word. sounds like he is frightened of you to me! > He knows he's in the wrong. Within 5 minutes, he's back resting his > head on my outstreached foot. Mine, mind you. Not the wife's. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > IBen > > "Alison" <alison@XallofusX.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message > news:<biirhg$tj4$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>... [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Rules???? LOL sounds very controlling to me What kind of a dim-witt are you, anyway...? Don't we as a society live by RULES? You're probably one of those people who never obeyed any rules when you were a kid. I'll just bet that you were taught by your parents that you were 'special'. And when you smeared the contents of your dirty diaper on the wall, they probably told you that it was art. Well.... it was crap. Stinky crap. Welcome to the real world. I shudder to think what kind of country we would be living in if your type were in total control. > Anyone with 1/2 a grain of common sense knows you don't go > > laying a lot of rules on a cat. My cat does what I ask of him because > > he LOVES and RESPECTS me, and wishes to please me. He recogonizes me > > to be the alpha-male of the pack. > > my cats love me too, think its because i love and resect them! In other words.. they run the show. Bet your kids do too. > > Cats understand hierarchy, you see. They're pack-animals. > > An example of his loyality... > > but we have almost made them domesticated...... dogs understand pack leaders > and really need a top dog, cats no I don't think they are like this, well > not in our home anyway. I don't have any problems with them. My cat is very intelligent (for a cat), and he is very sensitive to my likes and dislikes. He knows who I am and he knows what his position in the pack is. This is the way it is in my home, and my wife sees it this way as well. It's probably like this in your house too, only you never take a minute to look around you and see what's really going on. That's not my fault... That's YOURS. > He still tries to nurse off the wife's > > neck every chance he gets, even though he's almost two. He knows I [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > my cat Bebe does this too, there is nothing wrong with it, why do you > dissapprove????? It is a projected form of masterbation. Bebbe is in effect masterbating on your neck. Think about it. If your cat is fully grown, it should have no reason to behave in such a disgusting manor. And you shouldn't allow it (but you probably get off on it too). > you can tell you are controlling by the way you call your wife as 'the wife' > 'the female' showing no respect! You obviously have insecurity issues. It sticks out in your response like a submarine in a swimming pool. Why don't you come rite out and shout it to one and all? If you enjoyed a normal level of security in your life, then you would have never read into my statements these foundless appraisals. Don't you worry about how you look to all of these people here? Get it together next time before you go and make a total fool out of yourself again. > the fact he looks at you show insurcuity I > think. THIS statement confirms perfectly what I just said. Allow me to clear things up a bit for you... He looks at me to see if I'm not paying attention to him. My wife says so! She says that he watches me carefully and then when I'm not looking, he'll then rush up for a quick suckle. This is what SHE has noticed. I have only recently started to watch him out of the corner of my eye, which pisses me off, because I thought he had more respect for me than that. But... as anyone with children knows, they'll try to get what they want, and if you give them enough rope, they'll do it (and then lie about it). Unfourtunatly for Chessie, he's not quite smart enough to lie. But if he could, he probably wouldn't lie to himself like you do. > But when he sees me tending a glare, his ears > > flatten out and he slowly backs away. I don't even need to say a word. > > sounds like he is frightened of you to me! He knows he's been caught with his hand in the cookie jar. That's all. No more and no less. Otherwise, he would run away. His natural instinct will cause him to do this. No. He merely relocates himself back down upon the wife's chest area and looks defeated. He tries it to do it too when we're laying on my waterbed in the dark. I see his dark form working it's way up, real stealthy like, along the wife's side, towards her neck. I can see his reflection in the canopy mirrors, except he isn't smart enough to know this. Then, after a long wait, he'll creep quickly up there for a quick suckle.... and then he gets yelled at! Then he usually retreats to the foot of the bed. My wife thinks this is so cute! Bottom line... you don't have the slightest degree of understanding what is going on in your own little world, let alone somebody else's. So keep a lid on it. I have other more worthy irons in the fire to attend to. Goodbye. IBen IBen Getiner howled at the moon, then scrawled thusly upon the aether: > My cat is very intelligent (for a cat), and he is very sensitive to my > likes and dislikes. He knows who I am and he knows what his position > in the pack is. This is the way it is in my home, and my wife sees it > this way as well. There's a flaw in your logic here. Cats, unlike dogs, are not pack animals. There are toms with larger or more prime territories (though borders do shift), and there are dominant males at times, but their 'position' is only temporary, and is truly the decision of the onlooking queens. The best survivor of the toms gets first pick of the queens (by their choice), but not the only pick. Cats may be social animals, but they are *not* pack animals. Pack animals need their pack to survive. Cats in the wild (with the exception of a few big cats) are solitary hunters and don't need to get along with any other cat outside of mating season to survive, thus have no need for a pack hierarchy. I know you'll completely ignore my point and all the thorougly researched evidence behind it, but maybe someone else who needs less than a hefty clue-by-four to the back of the head will notice. Maeve Signaturethrow the baby out with the bathwater to reply by e-mail ~*~ http://volatiledreams.deep-ice.com ~*~ ARRIVED SAFELY TIMBUKTU. STOP. WHERE LAKE VICTORIA? STOP. > IBen Getiner howled at the moon, then scrawled thusly upon the aether: > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Maeve Yes. In the wild, I'm sure you are correct. But within the confines of the home, with a cat taken from his mother as an infant, you're WRONG. Everything I have observed over the last two years about the behaviour of my tom proves it. For instance, when reintroducing himself to the 'pack' after a stint away (that is, the wife and I, reclined on our great beanbag chair in the heart of the pride's home, the living room) , the first thing he engages in is the greeting... the rubbing and scent-marking ritual upon my feet. Every time. Basic elements best observed in lion family and the like. The first and all-important thing he does after being away is to re-establish his bond, association and place with the pack, and always first and foremost with me... the pack leader. These are facts. Not wishful thinking. I say then, that it is quite obvious by your own admittion (thru your basic ignorance of the subject) that you have no leadership position carved out within your own 'terrotory'. We therefore have no common ground to unite us on the discussion of this subject. In other words... you have absolutley no idea what you are talking about. Get connected. Know your place in line about the carcass. Your cat does. IBen You have proven without a doubt despite all scientific evidence to the contrary that you are that stupid Iben. First you terrorize your cat to the point they are afraid of you so you can be a big and bad person, then you state how your wife backs you up on everything (no doubt a control freak as well as a person who has problems with anger management), and now you flood this newsgroup with theories that are incorrect. Of course let's not forget how you threaten people who stand up to you and your views towards women. Your word is not law and certainly not factual. The others have posted the facts but you choose not to believe or accept that you are wrong. I guess like your homelife you want to try and control things here. It won't work. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > Yes. In the wild, I'm sure you are correct. But within the confines of > the home, with a cat taken from his mother as an infant, you're WRONG. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > IBen >You know EXACTLY what I mean, so don't go play stupid. IBen wasn't >born into the discussion group thing yeasterday. Then you should be better at trolling than this. Geez, a little originality wouldn't hurt. * * * Stacia * stacia@world.std.com * http://world.std.com/~stacia/ "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - Evelyn Beatrice Hall |
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