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Raw Meat?
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Mr. Nangla - 25 Aug 2003 17:29 GMT Hey,
What's your opinions about feeding raw meat to your cats, as I saw that '**sozzy**' gave lamb to one of her cats? Suggestions, cautions and tales would be great!
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prather,js@verizon.net - 26 Aug 2003 14:33 GMT > What's your opinions about feeding raw meat to your cats, as I saw that > '**sozzy**' gave lamb to one of her cats? Suggestions, cautions and tales > would be great! I used to cut up beef kidneys for my Burmese a good many years ago. They liked it, but I didn't. But it was never their primary food - only a supplement.
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Alison Smiley Perera - 26 Aug 2003 16:00 GMT > Hey, > > What's your opinions about feeding raw meat to your cats, as I saw that > '**sozzy**' gave lamb to one of her cats? Suggestions, cautions and tales > would be great! My two boys get trimmings from the cutting board on a regular basis. I also try to offer "my" cat chicken wings and necks frequently (good for his teeth and curbs his tendency to chew on unacceptable things), though my husband doesn't want "his" cat to eat meaty bones. My cat also is frequently successful in making the dog back down from her meaty-bone dinner, and thus has been known to make headway on turkey necks, chicken backs, chicken thighs, pork brisket, beef necks...etc. He enjoys chicken hearts, but isn't much into other offal. I think I've tricked him into eating liver a few times. He gets bits of canned fish, the occasional raw egg yolk, basically any protein-rich snack I care to offer him.
I also gave my 6 week old foster kitten a chicken wing every other day or so while I had her. She LOVED it!
I'd feed my guys a raw diet in a heartbeat if my husband would let me give meaty bones to his cat.
-Alison in OH
Katra - 26 Aug 2003 17:17 GMT > > Hey, > > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > -Alison in OH Ditto here... :-) I give raw beef liver from time to time, and trimmings when I am cutting up fish, chicken and beef. I'm a bit leery of raw pork tho' as it can carry trichinosis worms. An ugly little parasite that causes muscle cyts.
Kitties love raw egg yolks, especially duck egg yolks! They are richer than chicken yolks. My vet told me to be careful with eggwhites, so I don't give them that part of the egg.
We had one older kitty dying of metastatic breast cancer who would not eat well. She adored raw emu so we fed her LOTS of that to help her keep her weight up until the end. :-( No, she did not appear to be in any pain or we'd have had her put to sleep. Just weak and thin. Cancer is not fun. :-( Stormy actually lived to be about 15. Fortunately emu is not hard to get here in Texas, even now. I got lots of it for free if I was willing to work for it.
I can't think why raw meat would be bad as long as it's nice and fresh. :-)
K.
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PawsForThought - 27 Aug 2003 15:57 GMT >From: Alison Smiley Perera alison@notreally.cwru.edu
>I'd feed my guys a raw diet in a heartbeat if my husband would let me >give meaty bones to his cat. I guess I'm lucky. My husband helps me feed our cats a raw diet.
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Dennis Carr - 27 Aug 2003 07:10 GMT > Hey, > > What's your opinions about feeding raw meat to your cats, as I saw that > '**sozzy**' gave lamb to one of her cats? Suggestions, cautions and tales > would be great! We feed our cats raw ground beef occasionally not only as a treat, but bengals also seem to need this sort of thing occasionally to keep them healthy; another friend of mine does this to some of her F1 or F2 bengals regularly (IE, daily), as their diet requires it.
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rachel polanskis - 27 Aug 2003 12:49 GMT > > Hey, > > > > What's your opinions about feeding raw meat to your cats, as I saw that > > '**sozzy**' gave lamb to one of her cats? Suggestions, cautions and tales > > would be great! Cleo Carrington Smith gets raw beef at least 3 or 4 days a week. She either gets beef sliced into stroganoff strips or diced beef cubes. It is very good for her teeth and jaws. She will not eat chicken wings or necks under any cirumstances - we've tried! She likes breast filet (of course) but not thigh filet. She also eats the chicken fat offcuts from our filet as well. We try to give her a varied regular raw meat diet as often as possible. She will also eat diced lamb as well. Sometimes we give her beef mince, but she really prefers to have a good chew.
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Steve Crane - 30 Aug 2003 15:17 GMT > Hey, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > sham126 Another in a long line or issues relative to feeding raw meats. Published in the Texas Veterinarian this past issue - two Papillions that died from consuming raw chicken fed by the breeder. Cause of death - salmonellosis that was DNA typed and found and confirmed in the raw chicken being fed and the dead dogs.
There are a lot of risks to feeding the BARF diet, bacterials deaths, internal organs torn by bones and requiring emergency surgery, elevated BUN and Creat due to excessive levels of calcium and phos in th diet and the list goes on and on. Here's a web site with further documented info.
http://secondchanceranch.org/rawmeat.html
Phil P. - 31 Aug 2003 05:59 GMT > Hey, > > What's your opinions about feeding raw meat to your cats, Why would want to? "A benefit to feeding raw meat to cats has not been documented, and the disadvantages far outweigh any advantages."
I came across these on government websites:
"Help prevent your cat from getting infected with Toxoplasma. Keep cats indoors and feed them dry or canned cat food. Cats can become infected by eating or being fed raw or undercooked meat".
Division of Parasitic Diseases National Center for Infectious Diseases Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
"Most cases of campylobacteriosis are associated with handling raw poultry or eating raw or undercooked poultry meat. A very small number of Campylobacter organisms (fewer than 500) can cause illness in humans. Even one drop of juice from raw chicken meat can infect a person. Animals can also be infected, and some people have acquired their infection from contact with the infected stool of an ill dog or cat."
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention National Center for Infectious Diseases | Division of Bacterial & Mycotic Diseases, Atlanta, GA 30333 Updated September 1, 1999
On Cornell's site:
"Although raw meat is an excellent source of many nutrients, it is not recommended as food for cats, because it is a potential vehicle for toxoplasmosis. Also, salmonellosis can occur from contaminated meat and spoiled meat harbors various bacteria that can upset the digestive system."
http://web.vet.cornell.edu/public/fhc/feedcats.html
" Cats usually acquire salmonellosis by ingestion. Once ingested, the bacteria can cause a spectrum of clinical signs. Salmonellae that survive the acidity of the stomach go on to invade the small intestine and local lymph nodes. From this point, the bacteria either are contained by the body's defenses or proceed to invade the bloodstream, from which they reach other tissues such as the liver and spleen. Because of their fastidious grooming habits, infected cats quickly contaminate
their fur and environment with salmonellae."
Patrick L. McDonough, M.S.,Ph.D., Professor of Microbiology and Assistant Director of the Microbiology/Mycology Section, Diagnostic Laboratory, College of Veterinary Medicine, Cornell University
From a leading government microbiologist of Zoonotic Diseases Laboratory and author of highly respected veterinary textbook subjects:
"Toxoplasmosis Cats are symptomatic more commonly than dogs. No breed predilections. . In one study, mean age of infection in cats was 4 years, with a range from 2 weeks to 16 years. More male cats have been reported with the disease than females."
PREVENTION/AVOIDANCE *Prevent cats from eating raw meat, bones, viscera, or unpasteurized milk (especially goat milk), or from eating mechanical vectors (flies, cockroaches). Meat may be eaten if well-cooked.
Dubey JP, Greene CE, Lappin MR. Toxoplasmosis. In: Greene CE, ed. Infectious diseases of the dog and cat. Philadelphia: WB Saunders, 1990.
From peer-reviewed veterinary journals:
Dubey JP, Carpenter JL. Histologically confirmed clinical toxoplasmosis in cats: 100 cases (1952-1990). J Am Vet Med Assoc 1993;203:1556-1566.
Dubey JP. Toxoplasmosis. J Am Vet Med Assoc 1994;205:1593-1598.
PREVENTION/AVOIDANCE Keep animals healthy--proper nutrition, no raw meat, and vaccinate for other infectious diseases
Dow SW, Jones RL, Henik RA, Husted PW. Clinical features of salmonellosis in cats: (1981-1986). J Am Vet Med Assoc 1989;194:1464-1466.
P Jane Armstrong,, DVM, MS, Diplomate, American College of Veterinary Internal Medicine (Internal Medicine) Professor, Internal Medicine/Clinical Nutrition, College of Veterinary Medicine, University of Minnesota, St. Paul
"Raw meats are commonly fed to cats by breeders and owners. Raw muscle and organ meats are highly palatable, digestible and generally nutritious when supplemented with appropriate vitamins and minerals. Cooking destroys some nutrients and increases the availability of others. A benefit to feeding raw meat to cats has not been documented, and the disadvantages far outweigh any advantages. Raw meat, even when "flash frozen," may contain harmful bacteria (e.g., Salmonella spp and Eschelichia coli) and parasites (e.g., Toxoplasma gondii). Unless supplemented with vitamins and minerals, raw meat is nutritionally incomplete and can lead to nutritional secondary hyperparathyroidism or iodine deficiency Meat mixes composed of large percentages of organ meats may provide excessive levels of vitamin A. Finally, cats fed raw meat diets sometimes develop fixed-food preferences, making subsequent food changes difficult."
Database: CAB Abstracts
Searches: 1) (RAW ADJ MEAT) AND DISEASE
TI The cat as a carrier for cyst forming coccidia. PA Heydorn-A-O. SO Berliner und Munchener Tierarztliche Wochenschrift. 1979. 92 (11). 214-220. LG German. IT Journal article. AB A short review is given of the 15 species of coccidia which occur in cats. They belong to the genera Isospora, Toxoplasma, Besnoitia, Hammondia and Sarcocystis. Cats serve as a source of infection for many other animals including man. They should not be given raw meat to eat. DS reviews. cat-diseases. Protozoal-infections. Disease-transmission. parasites. SN 0005-9366. AN 790858542.
You'll never see a board certified diplomate of veterinary nutrition or diplomate of veterinary internal medicine recommend raw feeding. Its usually the obscure "vets" who need an angle to carry their otherwise, mediocre practices or vets or untrained individuals trying to sell books or the fanatical au natural cults that recommend raw.
Think about it, if raw food was so beneficial, every veterinary university and diplomate of veterinary nutrition and veterinary internal medicine would recommend it - they could make a fortune designing various diets for their clients....
The way I see it, and the way most diplomates of veterinary nutrition and internal medicine, and veterinary universities see it - there is no benefit to feeding raw that outweighs the risks to your cat's health and very life. If you want to prepare homemade diets for your cat, cook it!
Phil
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