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Mr. Nangla - 25 Aug 2003 17:29 GMT
Hey,

What's your opinions about feeding raw meat to your cats, as I saw that
'**sozzy**' gave lamb to one of her cats? Suggestions, cautions and tales
would be great!

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prather,js@verizon.net - 26 Aug 2003 14:33 GMT
> What's your opinions about feeding raw meat to your cats, as I saw that
> '**sozzy**' gave lamb to one of her cats? Suggestions, cautions and tales
> would be great!

I used to cut up beef kidneys for my Burmese a good many years ago.  
They liked it, but I didn't.  But it was never their primary food -
only a supplement.

Jerry
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Alison Smiley Perera - 26 Aug 2003 16:00 GMT
> Hey,
>
> What's your opinions about feeding raw meat to your cats, as I saw that
> '**sozzy**' gave lamb to one of her cats? Suggestions, cautions and tales
> would be great!

My two boys get trimmings from the cutting board on a regular basis. I
also try to offer "my" cat chicken wings and necks frequently (good for
his teeth and curbs his tendency to chew on unacceptable things), though
my husband doesn't want "his" cat to eat meaty bones. My cat also is
frequently successful in making the dog back down from her meaty-bone
dinner, and thus has been known to make headway on turkey necks, chicken
backs, chicken thighs, pork brisket, beef necks...etc. He enjoys chicken
hearts, but isn't much into other offal. I think I've tricked him into
eating liver a few times. He gets bits of canned fish, the occasional
raw egg yolk, basically any protein-rich snack I care to offer him.

I also gave my 6 week old foster kitten a chicken wing every other day
or so while I had her. She LOVED it!

I'd feed my guys a raw diet in a heartbeat if my husband would let me
give meaty bones to his cat.

-Alison in OH
Katra - 26 Aug 2003 17:17 GMT
> > Hey,
> >
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>
> -Alison in OH

Ditto here... :-)
I give raw beef liver from time to time, and trimmings when I am cutting
up fish, chicken and beef. I'm a bit leery of raw pork tho' as it can
carry trichinosis worms. An ugly little parasite that causes muscle cyts.

Kitties love raw egg yolks, especially duck egg yolks! They are richer
than chicken yolks. My vet told me to be careful with eggwhites, so I
don't give them that part of the egg.

We had one older kitty dying of metastatic breast cancer who would not
eat well. She adored raw emu so we fed her LOTS of that to help her keep
her weight up until the end. :-( No, she did not appear to be in any
pain or we'd have had her put to sleep. Just weak and thin. Cancer is
not fun. :-(  Stormy actually lived to be about 15. Fortunately emu is
not hard to get here in Texas, even now. I got lots of it for free if I
was willing to work for it.

I can't think why raw meat would be bad as long as it's nice and fresh. :-)

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PawsForThought - 27 Aug 2003 15:57 GMT
>From: Alison Smiley Perera alison@notreally.cwru.edu

>I'd feed my guys a raw diet in a heartbeat if my husband would let me
>give meaty bones to his cat.

I guess I'm lucky.  My husband helps me feed our cats a raw diet.

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Dennis Carr - 27 Aug 2003 07:10 GMT
> Hey,
>
> What's your opinions about feeding raw meat to your cats, as I saw that
> '**sozzy**' gave lamb to one of her cats? Suggestions, cautions and tales
> would be great!

We feed our cats raw ground beef occasionally not only as a treat, but
bengals also seem to need this sort of thing occasionally to keep them
healthy; another friend of mine does this to some of her F1 or F2 bengals
regularly (IE, daily), as their diet requires it.

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rachel polanskis - 27 Aug 2003 12:49 GMT
> > Hey,
> >
> > What's your opinions about feeding raw meat to your cats, as I saw that
> > '**sozzy**' gave lamb to one of her cats? Suggestions, cautions and tales
> > would be great!

Cleo Carrington Smith gets raw beef at least 3 or 4 days a week.
She either gets beef sliced into stroganoff strips or diced beef cubes.
It is very good for her teeth and jaws.   She will not eat chicken wings
or necks under any cirumstances - we've tried!   She likes breast
filet (of course) but not thigh filet.   She also eats the chicken fat
offcuts from our filet as well.  We try to give her a varied regular
raw meat diet as often as possible.  She will also eat diced lamb
as well.  Sometimes we give her beef mince, but she really prefers
to have a good chew.  

rachel

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Steve Crane - 30 Aug 2003 15:17 GMT
> Hey,
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> sham126

Another in a long line or issues relative to feeding raw meats.
Published in the Texas Veterinarian this past issue - two Papillions
that died from consuming raw chicken fed by the breeder. Cause of
death - salmonellosis that was DNA typed and found and confirmed in
the raw chicken being fed and the dead dogs.

There are a lot of risks to feeding the BARF diet, bacterials deaths,
internal organs torn by bones and requiring emergency surgery,
elevated BUN and Creat due to excessive levels of calcium and phos in
th diet and the list goes on and on. Here's a web site with further
documented info.

http://secondchanceranch.org/rawmeat.html
Phil P. - 31 Aug 2003 05:59 GMT
> Hey,
>
> What's your opinions about feeding raw meat to your cats,

Why would want to? "A benefit to feeding raw meat to cats has not been
documented, and the disadvantages far outweigh any advantages."

I came across these on government websites:

"Help prevent your cat from getting infected with Toxoplasma. Keep
cats indoors and feed them dry or canned cat food. Cats can become
infected by eating or being fed raw or undercooked meat".

Division of Parasitic Diseases
National Center for Infectious Diseases
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

"Most cases of campylobacteriosis are associated with handling raw
poultry or eating raw or undercooked poultry meat. A very small number
of Campylobacter organisms (fewer than 500) can cause illness in
humans.
Even one drop of juice from raw chicken meat can infect a person.
Animals can also be infected, and some people have acquired their
infection from contact with the infected stool of an ill dog or cat."

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
National Center for Infectious Diseases |
Division of Bacterial & Mycotic Diseases, Atlanta, GA 30333
Updated September 1, 1999

On Cornell's site:

"Although raw meat is an excellent source of many nutrients, it is not
recommended as food for cats, because it is a potential vehicle for
toxoplasmosis. Also, salmonellosis can occur from contaminated meat
and spoiled meat harbors various bacteria that can upset the digestive
system."

http://web.vet.cornell.edu/public/fhc/feedcats.html

" Cats usually acquire salmonellosis by ingestion. Once ingested, the
bacteria can cause a spectrum of clinical signs. Salmonellae that survive
the acidity of the stomach go on to invade the small intestine and local
lymph nodes. From this point, the bacteria either are contained by the
body's defenses or proceed to invade the bloodstream, from which they reach
other tissues such as the liver and spleen. Because of their fastidious
grooming habits, infected cats quickly contaminate

their fur and environment with salmonellae."

Patrick L. McDonough, M.S.,Ph.D., Professor of Microbiology and Assistant
Director of the Microbiology/Mycology Section, Diagnostic Laboratory,
College of Veterinary Medicine, Cornell University

From a leading government microbiologist of Zoonotic Diseases Laboratory and
author of highly respected veterinary textbook subjects:

"Toxoplasmosis
Cats are symptomatic more commonly than dogs. No breed
predilections. . In one study, mean age of infection in cats was 4
years, with a range from 2 weeks to 16 years. More male cats have been
reported with the disease than females."

PREVENTION/AVOIDANCE
*Prevent cats from eating raw meat, bones, viscera, or unpasteurized
milk (especially goat milk), or from eating mechanical vectors (flies,
cockroaches). Meat may be eaten if well-cooked.

Dubey JP, Greene CE, Lappin MR. Toxoplasmosis. In: Greene CE, ed.
Infectious diseases of the dog and cat. Philadelphia: WB Saunders,
1990.

From peer-reviewed veterinary journals:

Dubey JP, Carpenter JL. Histologically confirmed clinical
toxoplasmosis in cats: 100 cases (1952-1990). J Am Vet Med Assoc
1993;203:1556-1566.

Dubey JP. Toxoplasmosis. J Am Vet Med Assoc 1994;205:1593-1598.

PREVENTION/AVOIDANCE
Keep animals healthy--proper nutrition, no raw meat, and vaccinate for
other infectious diseases

Dow SW, Jones RL, Henik RA, Husted PW. Clinical features of
salmonellosis in cats: (1981-1986). J Am Vet Med Assoc
1989;194:1464-1466.

P Jane Armstrong,, DVM, MS, Diplomate, American College of Veterinary
Internal Medicine (Internal Medicine) Professor, Internal Medicine/Clinical
Nutrition, College of Veterinary Medicine, University of Minnesota, St. Paul

"Raw meats are commonly fed to cats by breeders and owners. Raw muscle and
organ meats are highly palatable, digestible and generally nutritious when
supplemented with appropriate vitamins and minerals. Cooking destroys some
nutrients and increases the availability of others. A benefit to feeding raw
meat to cats has not been documented, and the disadvantages far outweigh any
advantages. Raw meat, even when "flash frozen," may contain harmful bacteria
(e.g., Salmonella spp and Eschelichia coli) and parasites (e.g., Toxoplasma
gondii). Unless supplemented with vitamins and minerals, raw meat is
nutritionally incomplete and can lead to nutritional secondary
hyperparathyroidism or iodine deficiency Meat mixes composed of large
percentages of organ meats may provide excessive levels of vitamin A.
Finally, cats fed raw meat diets sometimes develop fixed-food preferences,
making subsequent food changes difficult."

Database: CAB Abstracts

Searches:
1) (RAW ADJ MEAT) AND DISEASE

TI The cat as a carrier for cyst forming coccidia.
PA Heydorn-A-O.
SO Berliner und Munchener Tierarztliche Wochenschrift.
1979. 92 (11). 214-220.
LG German.
IT Journal article.
AB A short review is given of the 15 species of coccidia which occur
in cats. They belong to the genera Isospora, Toxoplasma, Besnoitia,
Hammondia and Sarcocystis. Cats serve as a source of infection for many
other animals including man. They should not be given raw meat to eat.
DS reviews. cat-diseases. Protozoal-infections. Disease-transmission.
parasites.
SN 0005-9366.
AN 790858542.

You'll never see a board certified diplomate of veterinary nutrition or
diplomate of veterinary internal medicine recommend raw feeding.  Its
usually the obscure "vets" who need an angle to carry their otherwise,
mediocre practices or vets or untrained individuals trying to sell books or
the fanatical au natural cults that recommend raw.

Think about it, if raw food was so beneficial, every veterinary university
and diplomate of veterinary nutrition and veterinary internal medicine would
recommend it - they could make a fortune designing various diets for their
clients....

The way I see it, and the way most diplomates of veterinary nutrition and
internal medicine, and veterinary universities see it - there is no benefit
to feeding raw that outweighs the risks to your cat's health and very life.
If you want to prepare homemade diets for your cat, cook it!

Phil

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