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I'll keep my fingers crossed in hopes cat isn't diabetic

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Paul O. - 13 Nov 2004 20:53 GMT
Took Dufus in  this morning for his wellness check and dental. His liver is
better, still feeding Renal HP, but now something is up with the kidneys.
Sugar was 214. Vet is flushing out kidneys and is going to do a more
comprehensive blood test and send it to a lab. Not ready yet to diagnose
diabetes, so here's hoping. May know more at 4:30 when we pick him up. If a
cat is diabetic how often do you have to check blood sugar? During the week
we aren't home all day. Oh well, won't start worrying too much yet, yeh,
right. Hopefully it's something else not as serious.
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Karen Chuplis - 13 Nov 2004 22:28 GMT
> Took Dufus in  this morning for his wellness check and dental. His liver is
> better, still feeding Renal HP, but now something is up with the kidneys.
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> we aren't home all day. Oh well, won't start worrying too much yet, yeh,
> right. Hopefully it's something else not as serious.

I hope not! I know stress can cause it to rise.  How old is Dufus again?
Paul O. - 13 Nov 2004 22:38 GMT
>> Took Dufus in  this morning for his wellness check and dental. His liver
>> is
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>
> I hope not! I know stress can cause it to rise.  How old is Dufus again?

He is about 5yrs. old. I don't know what he could be stressed about, he
didn't know he was going to the vet beforehand. :-)  Course I had to take
food away at 8:00pm last nite and he wasn't too happy bout that.
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Larry - 14 Nov 2004 01:09 GMT
% is relatively young for FD.  Has Drufus been on steroids since that can
induce FD, sometimes that is temporary.   241 is not that high and might be
due to stress.  Does he have the other FD symptoms of eating , drinking and
peeing a lot?  If he has FD some people measure the blood glucose right
before each shot and do curves of taking measurements every 2 hours
occasionally.  I have 3 FD kitties.

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> Took Dufus in  this morning for his wellness check and dental. His liver is
> better, still feeding Renal HP, but now something is up with the kidneys.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> we aren't home all day. Oh well, won't start worrying too much yet, yeh,
> right. Hopefully it's something else not as serious.
Paul O. - 14 Nov 2004 02:08 GMT
>% is relatively young for FD.  Has Drufus been on steroids since that can
> induce FD, sometimes that is temporary.   241 is not that high and might
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> before each shot and do curves of taking measurements every 2 hours
> occasionally.  I have 3 FD kitties.

Just returned from picking up the cat. Vet says likely diabetes, but won't
know for sure till blood tests come back Monday. Didn't seem to be any
indication a couple months ago when he was at the vet tho. He hasn't been on
any meds lately. If it is diabetes, it doesn't sound to bad to take care of.
Vet says there is an insulin just for cats now, cost about $60 for about a
years supply, and one shot a day. Will re check in 3 weeks to see if it was
just a temporary thing, since he flushed his kidneys, before starting any
medication.
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Chris - 14 Nov 2004 16:41 GMT
There is a wondeful site for pets with diabetes...  If you go thru it you
will also find some pretty good message boards... they were VERY helpful a
few months ago when my parents' dog was diagnosed with diabetes...

http://www.petdiabetes.org/

>>% is relatively young for FD.  Has Drufus been on steroids since that can
>> induce FD, sometimes that is temporary.   241 is not that high and might
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> see if it was just a temporary thing, since he flushed his kidneys, before
> starting any medication.
Paul O. - 14 Nov 2004 18:45 GMT
> There is a wondeful site for pets with diabetes...  If you go thru it you
> will also find some pretty good message boards... they were VERY helpful a
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>
> Thanks, saved the link.
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mbk@webtv.net - 14 Nov 2004 17:13 GMT
Paul,
Please find out what the name of the insulin is and post it here. I pay
$53 for a 100 unit bottle of Lantus(glargine) each month. The worst part
is that I only give Sandy 1 unit per day and then at the end of the
month have to throw out the remaining 70 units. Lantus is working better
for her then the Humlin so if that is what I have to do, so be it. But
if there is something less expensive that works just as well I would
like to tell my vet about it.

A word of warning to you, if your cat also has high blood pressure the
combination of the 2 can cause blindness. Unfortunately that is what
happened to Sandy about 2 months post diagnose of her diabetes. She has
been taking Norvasc for 2 years for hi BP but the 2 conditions combined
caused her retinas to detach. I will admit that she adjusted much faster
than I did.

Michele,
(N.C.)
Paul O. - 14 Nov 2004 18:49 GMT
> Paul,
> Please find out what the name of the insulin is and post it here. I pay
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> Michele,
> (N.C.)

I will find out what the insulin is. Should be talking to the vet tomorrow
after the blood test comes back. Don't think the cat has high blood
pressure, nothing was mentioned about that.
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mpwilliams - 14 Nov 2004 19:39 GMT
[snip]
> I will find out what the insulin is. Should be talking to the vet tomorrow
> after the blood test comes back.
[snip]

Does your cat present the primary clinical indicators for diabetes ... viz.,
unquenchable thirst and frequent urination in large volumes?
Paul O. - 14 Nov 2004 23:28 GMT
> [snip]
>> I will find out what the insulin is. Should be talking to the vet
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> Does your cat present the primary clinical indicators for diabetes ...
> viz., unquenchable thirst and frequent urination in large volumes?

>I haven't noticed anything unusual in the litter box. Not drinking any more
>water than usual. With the moisture out of the wet food, he doesn't drink
>much water out of the bowl.
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Rhonda - 15 Nov 2004 03:53 GMT
I'd be interested to hear the diagnosis on your cat. When ours developed
diabetes, he absolutely soaked the litter box. Took me awhile to find
out which cat had the problem.

You might want to start posting on the message board at
www.felinediabetes.com. Tell them what you know so far and they will
probably have some good insights.

Rhonda

>>I haven't noticed anything unusual in the litter box. Not drinking any more
>>water than usual. With the moisture out of the wet food, he doesn't drink
>>much water out of the bowl.
Marek Williams - 15 Nov 2004 07:18 GMT
>Please find out what the name of the insulin is and post it here. I pay
>$53 for a 100 unit bottle of Lantus(glargine) each month. The worst part
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>if there is something less expensive that works just as well I would
>like to tell my vet about it.

Does the Lantus go bad that fast? Human insulin lasts for ages, so
that surprises me.

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Larry - 14 Nov 2004 23:48 GMT
I know of no insulin that usually works with one shot a day.  Almost all
kitties need two shot daily.  There are two insulins for kitties in USA.
One is beef PZI and  there is 10% pork/90% beef. Only one vendor for the
pork/beef and a few for the all beef. The $60 insulin sounds like Lantus
based on price but many kitties still need two shots daily.  It can last 1
year if dose is small.  For the Lantus there are 1000 units in a vial.  So
it could last a year if dose is 3 units per day.   Myself, I use insulin
until bottle is empty or it stops working.  So far I have used up vials of
Humilin U and beef PZI.

Also go to the feline diabetes message board at
http://www.felinediabetes.com/ for information/help.  Good luck.

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>
> >% is relatively young for FD.  Has Drufus been on steroids since that can
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> years supply, and one shot a day. Will re check in 3 weeks to see if it was
> just a temporary thing, since he flushed his kidneys, before starting any

> medication.
mbk@webtv.net - 15 Nov 2004 00:44 GMT


<<<From: Larry
I know of no insulin that usually works with one shot a day. Almost all
kitties need two shot daily. There are two insulins for kitties in USA.
One is beef PZI and there is 10% pork/90% beef. Only one vendor for the
pork/beef and a few for the all beef. The $60 insulin sounds like Lantus
based on price but many kitties still need two shots daily. It can last
1 year if dose is small. For the Lantus there are 1000 units in a vial.
So it could last a year if dose is 3 units per day.>>>

Larry,
I just checked my vial of Lantus and it says 100 units. It also says to
discard after 28 days. I would love to be able to use it all up since
Sandy only gets 1 unit a day but how do I know if I'm hurting her just
to save some money? She has been on it since August and is doing well.
If I
try to use it past the 28 days how do I know if it is still working for
her?

Just a little background on her: both her regular vet and her holistic
vet have said that she doesn't respond to treatment the way she is
supposed to. When she was getting the Humlin, 1 unit was too little but
2 units was too much. Before starting the Lantus her glucose  curve test
would start real low then halfway through would double from 1 hour to
the next then proceed to rise higher.

I am owned by 7 cats and I need to save money wherever I can but I want
to do whatever is best for them. Costco charges $53 for Lantus but other
pharmacies range between $60-$65. Also you don't have to be a member to
use the pharmacy.

Michele,
(N.C.)
Rhonda - 15 Nov 2004 03:50 GMT
Hi Michele,

I'm not Larry, I don't think :) but we had a diabetic cat. I'd advise
you to talk to the pharmacist about insulin duration. They really have a
lot of info.

Mine told me you can use it longer if you use a clean needle each time.
Some people use a syringe more than once on their cats. We were using
Humulin, so I don't know if it's different for Lantus, but he said the
danger was not so much the insulin expiring, but it becoming
contaminated, so advised us to use new syringes.

Rhonda

> Larry,
> I just checked my vial of Lantus and it says 100 units. It also says to
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> try to use it past the 28 days how do I know if it is still working for
> her?
mbk@webtv.net - 16 Nov 2004 00:04 GMT
Rhonda,
What you said makes a lot of sense. I always use a fresh needle just
like I do when I give SubQ's to 4 of my cats.  I did ask the pharmacist
but she just read the insert and said 28 days.

I wish I could find out for sure since I don't want to cause any damage
to Sandy.

Michele
(N.C.)
mpwilliams - 15 Nov 2004 02:09 GMT
>I know of no insulin that usually works with one shot a day.  Almost all
> kitties need two shot daily.  There are two insulins for kitties in USA.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> until bottle is empty or it stops working.  So far I have used up vials of
> Humilin U and beef PZI.

We have a diabetic male, and have been able to control his blood glucose in
the range of 150-350 mg/dL with one (1) daily 7-unit injection of Lilly
Humulin U, which we purchase in a 10 ml vial (1000 units @ 100 units/ml) for
about US$ 28, and discard after 60 days. In this range of control, his
clinical indications (drinking and urination) are near normal.

Incidentally, for purchases in the US, Bayer currently have a US$ 45 rebate
offer on the Ascensia Elite XL glucometer, which retails for US$ 52-65. The
offer also includes two (2) US$ 10 coupons for the test strips. From what
research I've done, this particular glucometer is particularly well suited
to use in monitoring felines, as the test strip will wick the sample
directly and requires only 2 microliters for a test. Ours works great.
mbk@webtv.net - 14 Nov 2004 19:35 GMT
Paul,
When you take Dufus in tomorrow be sure to ask the vet if his BP was
measured. Then have it done periodically just to be on the safe side.

As to your question about testing the BG I don't do that at home yet.
There is suppose to be a new machine, PetTrac DC1000 coming out soon
(www.pettrac.us). It is completely non-invasive, results in 15 seconds,
no pain, & unlimited daily testing.  It uses "near-infrared" technology
rather than test strips and needles. It should cost around $350.  I
called the company in August and told them to put me on their waiting
list but have not heard back from them yet.  One of my vets found out
about them at a conference she attended. If it does all that it claims
it will be a definite advancement.

Michele
Priscilla Ballou - 14 Nov 2004 19:59 GMT
> Paul,
> When you take Dufus in tomorrow be sure to ask the vet if his BP was
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> about them at a conference she attended. If it does all that it claims
> it will be a definite advancement.

If it did all you mention above, I would have expected to hear about it
on the diabetes newsgroups.  Human diabetics don't have anything like
that -- that works.  I greatly doubt they're developing these for cats
before they do for people.

Priscilla
mbk@webtv.net - 14 Nov 2004 21:38 GMT

<<< a new machine, PetTrac DC1000 coming out soon (www.pettrac.us). It
is completely non-invasive, results in 15 seconds, no pain, & unlimited
daily testing. It uses "near-infrared" technology rather than test
strips and needles. It should cost around $350. I called the company in
August and told them to put me on their waiting list but have not heard
back from them yet. One of my vets found out about them at a conference
she attended. If it does all that it claims it will be a definite
advancement.>>>

<<<<If it did all you mention above, I would have expected to hear about
it on the diabetes newsgroups. Human diabetics don't have anything like
that -- that works. I greatly doubt they're developing these for cats
before they do for people.
Priscilla>>>>  

Priscilla,
I hope that the information my vet received is accurate. She gave me a
copy of the brochure she got from the conference she attended. Instead
of needles and test strips you attach an ear clip. When I called in
August they said the meters were not quite ready for public distribution
yet but would be within a few months.

Although I give subQ's and insulin shots
to my cats I have watched the vet techs test Sandy and I would be very
hesitant to test her myself. That's why I'm hoping this is what it says
it is going to be.

I was surprised that I got no response when I mentioned it on the
diabetes newsgroup that I joined when she was diagnosed. I admit that it
does sound too good to be true.

I can assure you that when it does come out (if it does) I will only
purchase it if it has a guarantee and I will have my vet check it out
too. For Sandy's sake I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it is the real
thing.

Michele
(N.C.)
Larry - 15 Nov 2004 00:27 GMT
Earlier this month I was reading a human diabetes magazine and they had an
article on the non-evasive blood glucose monitors.  There are several
vendors working on them and in one country there are trial going on.   They
might be available next year.  However, for humans the cost is comparable
with the present method of using a meter with test strips.

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> <<< a new machine, PetTrac DC1000 coming out soon (www.pettrac.us). It
> is completely non-invasive, results in 15 seconds, no pain, & unlimited
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> Michele
> (N.C.)
 
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