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Carol - 13 Nov 2004 13:41 GMT
I have a 13 1/2 year old male tabby.  About four months ago he started
to vomit usually, but not always shortly after eating.  Since I only
feed him once a day that meant he threw up all his food for the day.
Right after that he'd be begging for food.  I took him to the vet who
examined him and said he appeared to be just fine.  He suggested it
was probably a hair ball and told me to give him hair ball remedy
twice a day for a couple of weeks.  I did but that didn't help too
much.  I tried feeding him very small portions many times daily.  I
even tried tossing the food on the rug to force him to eat slowly.
Nothing really helped.  Eventually the vomiting stopped on it's own in
a few weeks.

After having no problems for about two months he's started again.  He
threw up his dinner yesterday morning and this morning. I feed him at
8 pm at night but when he threw up it was clearly his entire meal.
Since he sleeps right after eating for the rest of the night I'm not
sure if having the whole meal still in his stomach is unusual or not.

This morning he not only threw up the meal but continued throwing up
for about 15 minutes.  He threw up 18 times in all.  He has NEVER done
that before.  About 15 minutes later he was begging for  food.

Here's my problem:  my husband just had heart bypass surgery.  I am
barely able to cope with what I need to do for him.  I cannot take the
cat to the vet and start with tests, special treatments,etc.  In fact
I can't take him at all.  If he doesn't improve I may have to have him
put down since I cannot allow the cat to interfere with what I need to
do for my husband.  There is nobody else that can help me with the cat
or my husband.

I love my cat and don't want to lose him.  I was wondering if I should
change his food?  I give him Science Diet Feline Light Maintenance
(1/2 cup daily).  This has been his diet for the past 12 years and he
has thrived until now.  Is canned food easier to digest?  I just don't
know what to do.

Don't know if this is related but a few days before this all started
four months ago he ate a mouse.  He caught it in the kitchen, ate it
and threw it up, along with his food all over the house.  It looked
like a mini autopsy on my living room floor.  The vet didn't think it
was related.

He is an indoor cat and has no contact whatsoever with other animals.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
---MIKE--- - 13 Nov 2004 14:35 GMT
Is it possible that he is swallowing the dry food without chewing it -
maybe a tooth problem?  Why not try a good quality canned food (not
supermarket types) and see if that helps.

                 ---MIKE---
Mary - 13 Nov 2004 16:15 GMT
> Is it possible that he is swallowing the dry food without chewing it -

They don't chew dry food.

> maybe a tooth problem?  Why not try a good quality canned food (not
> supermarket types) and see if that helps.
>
>                  ---MIKE---
---MIKE--- - 13 Nov 2004 18:13 GMT
Mary, they may not "chew" dry food but they sure do break it up.  I can
hear Amber doing this.

                 ---MIKE---
Mary - 13 Nov 2004 18:30 GMT
> Mary, they may not "chew" dry food but they sure do break it up.  I can
> hear Amber doing this.

Good point. They do crunch, as I hear Cheeks doing this
too. However--when I clean up the kitty puke most chunks are intact.
Mary - 13 Nov 2004 16:12 GMT
>I have a 13 1/2 year old male tabby.  About four months ago he started
> to vomit usually, but not always shortly after eating.  Since I only
> feed him once a day that meant he threw up all his food for the day.

Why do you only feed him once a day? By the time he eats he's
probably starving.

> Right after that he'd be begging for food.  I took him to the vet who
> examined him and said he appeared to be just fine.  He suggested it
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> Nothing really helped.  Eventually the vomiting stopped on it's own in
> a few weeks.

So you're also feeding him dry food. This stuff expands in the stomach,
particularly when a cat has not eaten in 24 hours, I bet. No wonder
he vomits.

You know he needs to see the vet again. He also needs to be put
on good canned food and fed twice a day, about 12 hours apart.
Good luck.
Sherry - 13 Nov 2004 16:41 GMT
>So you're also feeding him dry food. This stuff expands in the stomach,
>particularly when a cat has not eaten in 24 hours, I bet. No wonder
>he vomits.

If anybody doubts this, just try wetting a few kibbles of dry food and watch
them puff up twice their original volume, but maintain their shape. It's
creepy.
Mary - 13 Nov 2004 17:29 GMT
> >So you're also feeding him dry food. This stuff expands in the stomach,
> >particularly when a cat has not eaten in 24 hours, I bet. No wonder
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> them puff up twice their original volume, but maintain their shape. It's
> creepy.

I know it from scraping it up off the floor ten minutes after
Cheeks eats it. The pieces are noticably bigger than when they went in.
She LOVES Purina One Tuna and Salmon, (my cats are junk food
junkies, sigh) and she is so skinny I can't say no so she gets it.
Sherry - 13 Nov 2004 17:38 GMT
>I know it from scraping it up off the floor ten minutes after
>Cheeks eats it. The pieces are noticably bigger than when they went in.
>She LOVES Purina One Tuna and Salmon, (my cats are junk food
>junkies, sigh) and she is so skinny I can't say no so she gets it.

That's the *only* food Bootsie will eat with any regularity. She won't even eat
Fancy Feast. The only canned food she will touch is Nutro "Hunter's Stew".
Sigh. I open cans and she sniffs and *runs*. Then Biskit comes along and
finishes it up. So Bootsie is still tiny and Biskit is getting fat.

Sherry
Mary - 13 Nov 2004 18:24 GMT
> >I know it from scraping it up off the floor ten minutes after
> >Cheeks eats it. The pieces are noticably bigger than when they went in.
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> Sigh. I open cans and she sniffs and *runs*. Then Biskit comes along and
> finishes it up. So Bootsie is still tiny and Biskit is getting fat.

Hmm, seems there may be the secret "Kitty Crack" ingredient
in this Purina food, just as there is in FF Chopped Grill. Your Biskit
is like my Buddha. She wolfs all of her canned food then sneaks
upstairs (low to the ground and furtive, like very fat tuxedo land
sub) to find Cheeky's if I don't pick it right up. Sherry, Boo is
HUGE since the hypothryoid correction. I play with her as much as I
can, but nothing seems to help.

BTW, I tried Nutro's Hunter's Stew on my cats, and they liked it better
than the other Nutro brands but I had to mash up the chunks with a fork.
*rolling eyes*
Gail - 13 Nov 2004 17:32 GMT
Yes, switch to high quality canned food and feed him small amounts as
frequently as possible.
Gail

>>I have a 13 1/2 year old male tabby.  About four months ago he started
>> to vomit usually, but not always shortly after eating.  Since I only
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> on good canned food and fed twice a day, about 12 hours apart.
> Good luck.
Barb - 13 Nov 2004 19:06 GMT
Definitely I would try canned food.  I have been using Wellness and the cats
love it.  My young cat threw up some furballs and then was throwing up every
day.  I stopped the interactive toy play I had been doing after she ate.  We
do that now before she eats.  I feed all the cats 2 times a day and give
just a tiny snack at dinner.  I have now been giving that young cat a little
at a time so she doesn't wolf it down.  It really doesn't take long.  I
believe the canned food is easier especially for my 13 and 14 year olds,
easier on the teeth and the digestion and even the bladder because they get
more liquid with it.

--
Barb
Of course I don't look busy,
I did it right the first time.
---MIKE--- - 13 Nov 2004 19:34 GMT
Going back to my first response to Carol.--  try canned food AND have
the vet check his teeth to see if a tooth problem is causing him to
swallow the food whole instead of breaking it up first.  When you buy
the canned food, don't get the type containing pieces of meat.  Wellness
makes a nice, smooth, chicken food which my cats like.  

                 ---MIKE---
Carol - 14 Nov 2004 00:06 GMT
To those of you who responded, thank you.  I will try Science Diet
canned food.  Luckily my (fat) cat loves any cat food.

As far as the vet goes - did you miss the part about my husband just
having surgery?  Don't know if you've ever experienced this but every
waking moment is spoken for right now - I even have to help him bathe.
If the cat wasn't practically chewing my ankle off I'd probably
forget to feed him.

I love my cat but my husband comes first.

> I have a 13 1/2 year old male tabby.  About four months ago he started
> to vomit usually, but not always shortly after eating.  Since I only
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>
> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Gail - 14 Nov 2004 01:26 GMT
Please make sure you feed the cat more frequently than once daily.
Gail
> To those of you who responded, thank you.  I will try Science Diet
> canned food.  Luckily my (fat) cat loves any cat food.
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>>
>> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Mary - 14 Nov 2004 02:20 GMT
"Carol" <googlemail2003@yahoo.com> wrote :
>  If the cat wasn't practically chewing my ankle off I'd probably
> forget to feed him.
>
> I love my cat but my husband comes first.

If you are unwilling or unable to feed this animal
twice a day, you might want to think about giving
him to someone who can do that much for him.
Phil P. - 14 Nov 2004 08:03 GMT
> As far as the vet goes - did you miss the part about my husband just
> having surgery?  Don't know if you've ever experienced this but every
> waking moment is spoken for right now -

Sleep 1-2 hours less one day and take your cat to a vet for x-rays.  I'm
sure your husband will survive 1-2 hours without you.  If his condition is
so serious that he cannot, he should be in a hospital.

Your cat has entrusted his life to you; his health and welfare are your
obligation and responsibility.  Don't betray the trust your cat has placed
in you.  Make time; take him to a vet.
Sherry - 14 Nov 2004 16:28 GMT
>> As far as the vet goes - did you miss the part about my husband just
>> having surgery?  Don't know if you've ever experienced this but every
>> waking moment is spoken for right now -

I'm sorry about your husband, and I know he is a priority,but you still have a
responsibility to that cat.  If the situation is so severe that you say you're
considering putting him down, he has GOT to see a vet.
Your husband can do without you for a few hours.  I had a quadruple bypass,
carotid bypass and femoral artery bypass and I know what I'm talking about.

Sherry
Mary - 14 Nov 2004 16:53 GMT
>I had a quadruple bypass,
> carotid bypass and femoral artery bypass and I know what I'm talking about.

Wow. I may be emailing you at some point. I think I may be headed this way,
as I have led a fairly err,  shall we say "contemplative rather than active"
life.
Also, my motto has always been "You Can Have My Bacon, Egg and Cheese
Biscuit When You Can Pry It Out of my Cold Dead Hands."(My athletic friends
are all having knee replacements, hip replacements, tendon replacements and
of course botox to try to counteract all the sun damage outdoorsy types
tend to have. At this point I am still at the stage where I'm thinking
"haha,
remember when you laughed at my white legs?" But I know the time to
pay the piper is coming.
Sherry - 14 Nov 2004 18:51 GMT
>>I had a quadruple bypass,
>> carotid bypass and femoral artery bypass and I know what I'm talking
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>remember when you laughed at my white legs?" But I know the time to
>pay the piper is coming.

Well, personally I don't think cholesterol *by itself* is any indicator to get
too choked up about. My cholesterol always maintained around 130 and I was
slim, and fairly young. (46). My problem was genetics. I just didn't choose my
ancestors carefully enough. :-)
I was

Sherry
Carol - 14 Nov 2004 13:05 GMT
I am trying a new feeding schedule of three small portions a day.  If
that doesn't work I'll try canned food.  So far he's been fine for the
past 24 hours.

Believe me I love this cat.  He is a wonderful, gentle, loving animal
and I'll do everything I can for him.

He's clearly not sick.  It may be that he's getting older and simply
cannot continue on the same feeding routine.

> To those of you who responded, thank you.  I will try Science Diet
> canned food.  Luckily my (fat) cat loves any cat food.
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> >
> > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Mary - 14 Nov 2004 16:39 GMT
> I am trying a new feeding schedule of three small portions a day.

Great!

>If that doesn't work I'll try canned food.  So far he's been fine for the
> past 24 hours.

When I began feeding my cats mostly canned they got healthier
looking and happier acting. You might want to try it anyway.

> Believe me I love this cat.  He is a wonderful, gentle, loving animal
> and I'll do everything I can for him.
>
> He's clearly not sick.  It may be that he's getting older and simply
> cannot continue on the same feeding routine.

I really think the feeding dry once a day is what was doing it.
But you know he needs regular vet care, too. Phil is right. It
isn't expensive, it doesn't take long, and its one more thing off
your mind. Believe me, some of us take care of sick relatives
and a million other things while still vetting and caring for cats.
I hope your husband has a speedy recovery, and that your
kitty stops barfing and is happier.
Brimsley - 14 Nov 2004 02:34 GMT
> I have a 13 1/2 year old male tabby.  About four months ago he started
> to vomit usually, but not always shortly after eating.  Since I only
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>
> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

You didn't mention whether the vet did blood tests when you took him
in the first time this started.  There are a variety of ailments that
could cause vomiting like this, especially in older cats, and it's
necessary to do blood tests to narrow down the possible causes.
Sometimes they vomit when their food is switched, but that obviously
isn't the case here. Some cats are just prone to throwing up, but the
ones I've seen who are that way have been that way their entire life.

Canned food might help.  If not, I urge you to at least make a few
calls to see if it's possible to rehome your cat rather than have it
euthanized. It's a fact of life that sometimes people find themselves
in situations where they just can't care for their cat anymore; some
shelters take cats in that situation; some vets are also aware of
possible new homes.  I really hope things work out; it's obviously a
difficult situation for you to be in.
Carol - 14 Nov 2004 13:08 GMT
Yes, the vet did blood and fecal tests.  Everything was fine.  

He's been fine for the past 24 hours.  I'm going to try and feed him
three small meals a day.  If that doesn't work I'll try canned food.

If I have to clean up vomit every day, so be it.  As long as he
eventually keeps down enough to be healthy and happy I'm more than
willing to do that.

Thanks

> > I have a 13 1/2 year old male tabby.  About four months ago he started
> > to vomit usually, but not always shortly after eating.  Since I only
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> possible new homes.  I really hope things work out; it's obviously a
> difficult situation for you to be in.
Carol - 15 Nov 2004 12:32 GMT
Once again, thank you all for your advice.

The reason for not going to the vet is a bit more complicated than
just having a sick husband to care for.

My cat is terrified of leaving the house.  He trembles, loses fur,
vomits and cries.  Taking him to the vet is so traumatic that I
started having the vet come to me years ago.  Cost a lot but it was
more than worth it for the cat's sake.  My cat has a heart murmur and
I was always afraid he'd have a heart attack.

What you all are suggesting cannot be handled by a house call.  I've
already had the exams and lab tests that could be done here.  Also,
according to the vet if there is a blockage or other internal problem
it would require surgery.

I know my animal.  The experience of staying at the animal hospital
would be so horrible that I don't think he could survive it.  I've
decided he's entitled to live whatever time he has left happily and
calmly.  He's close to 14 and has had a wonderful life - which he
deserves because he's a wonderful cat.

Having said all that - he's been just fine for the past two days.  I'm
feeding him smaller, more frequent meals and I'll start on canned food
as soon as I decide what's best to give him.  Your advice has been
very helpful.

Thanks again.

> I have a 13 1/2 year old male tabby.  About four months ago he started
> to vomit usually, but not always shortly after eating.  Since I only
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>
> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
 
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