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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / November 2004Two Feral Cats - Caught One
I finally caught "Two-Eyes" yesterday. This is One-Eye's much healthier sister. I called my contact and she met me at the vets where she takes all of her ferrals. This cat is also over a decade old. She will be cleaned up, checked for infections and abcesses, given some meds if needed, treated for fleas, updated on her shots (including rabies and distemper) and released back here. The farm thing that Linda (my cat Lady contact mentioned) is no longer an option. After over a week of trying to catch either one of these cats, I finally did. I tried every bait you guys mentioned and then some. They would get close enough to eat the food I put at the entrance and just past the entrance but wouldn't actually set the trap. Monday night I tightly wrapped the trap in cardboard, and lined the inside floor with cardboard to disguise it. It worked, within two hours of setting the trap, I had Two-Eyes. I've also been moving the trap around and checking it every few hours. I see One-Eye every few days. I can get close enough to her to almost touch her. She eats treats within a few fet of me and if she sees me she follows me around if I stay away from the building and parking lot. Because she has such limited vision, I can sneak up on her but not close enough to actually catch her. She almost seems to be asking for help. So I will continue trying to get her in the trap and also gaining her trust so that I may be able to just grab her. Her wound seems to have stabilized, at least it hasn't gotten any worse, but she still needs medical attention. Linda mixes antibiotics in with the food she has set out a few times a week. I also learned that there may be as many as six or seven all white cats here. I asked Linda if she wants me to release any seemingly healthy ones but she wants to have them all treated. I am photographing any I catch so that when they are released I can tell if I have already brought them to the vet. I saw for the first time the other day another cat in need of attention. She has a growth the size of a golf ball on the side of her neck. Linda thinks it just needs to be lanced and cleaned and then give her some meds. She only hangs out behind a neiboring building and won't come over to this feedin station, probably due to territorial issues. I'll try to get her and One Eye, but this one is more skiddish and won't let me get within ten feet. I had heard about her but didn't see her till the other day. Linda feeds over 400 cats in 50 colonies in the greater Hartford area on a regular basis and is extremely grateful for my help. I've offered to try to get all the cats out here for as long as she can spare the trap. I've also been feeding these cats when their bowls are empty but I don't want them too full since they may then avoid the trap. I've also learned that the vet down the street may be systematically euthanizing some of these cats. The colony was orignally over 20, and some have been relocated, but others simply disappeared. I've considered baiting the trap with catnip but I'm not sure how effective that would be on a ferral cat. Any thoughts? I will post updates when something significant happens but just because I haven't posted in while don't think I've lost interest or given up. I'm not going to post unless something important happens, like catching a cat, or it's subsequent treatment. If you have a question, feel free to e-mail me. To be honest, I haven't even been to this group recently. To those of who've accused me of "not wanting to get my hands dirty" (coughMARYcough), I've dedicated myself to catching these cats and having them treated, and thankfully, there's already a network in place to get that done. I originally was trying to help 2 cats, now it's seven or eight. I spend time before and after work and on my lunchbreaks trying to get these cats. I've been here the past two Saturdays and Sundays , settting the trap and walking the fields, even though I live over 20 miles from here. My wife is concerned that this will reflect poorly on how my new employers perceive me, but I work for and with pet lovers, was hired in a position of relative authority, and have some flexibilty in my schedule, and don't use any company time or resources in my Quiotic quest. My boss even offered to subsidise food for the trap. And finally to Phil, thanks for shifting over to Mary's camp where you think abusive insults are more constructive than helpful advice. If you (or anyone else) really wants to help, E-mail me and I will tell you where to come to catch these cats. If anyone happens to catch them, please let me know and I will let you know where the vet is. It's important these cats go to this particular vet because he is familiar with them. I will update you when more happens. Carl "ceb2" <svendlho@aol.com> wrote : > And finally to Phil, thanks for shifting over to Mary's camp where you > think abusive insults are more constructive than helpful advice. Now this is rich. You paid to have the beautiful little feet of three kittens that trusted you mutilated for the sake of your furniture, but I am abusive. If > you (or anyone else) really wants to help, E-mail me and I will tell > you where to come to catch these cats. If anyone happens to catch > them, please let me know and I will let you know where the vet is. > It's important these cats go to this particular vet because he is > familiar with them. You are so full of sh.t. Good luck with that. > "ceb2" <svendlho@aol.com> wrote : > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > kittens that trusted you mutilated for the sake of your furniture, but > I am abusive. Mary, sweetie, darling, wonderful person who loves cats, when you act quite this bitchy and obsessive about it, you make anti-declaw people look like complete a.sholes who shouldn't be listened to. More moderate people will just shake their heads and go "oh, well, if that's how it is, then they're exaggerating. I'll just declaw, since these people are obviously off their rockers." You know how the PETA nuts actually do more harm than good? Yeah. This kind of behavior HURTS us as anti-declaw campers. Just like people hear the words "animal welfare" and start snickering about the latest antics pulled by the PETA morons. They (mainstream culture) don't distinguish between animal welfare and animal rights. So it hurts both causes. Let it drop already, eh? Declawing sucks, but what's done is done.  Signature-- ~kaeli~ Never say, "Oops!"; always say, "Ah, interesting!" http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace >> "ceb2" <svendlho@aol.com> wrote : >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > exaggerating. I'll just declaw, since these people are obviously off their > rockers." Thanks for sharing. Nothing personal, but I don't care. [...]> > Let it drop already, eh? > Declawing sucks, but what's done is done. No. "Mary" <crazyaboutfelines@yahoo.com> posted <aJukd.31077$YL.2828886@twister.southeast.rr.com> in rec.pets.cats.health+behav on Wed, 10 Nov 2004 20:19:18 GMT: >>> "ceb2" <svendlho@aol.com> wrote : >>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Thanks for sharing. Nothing personal, but I don't care. Mary shows us how a rational, logical, sensible human being acts. -- K. A. Cannon kcannon at insurgent dot org (change the orgy to org to reply) http://www.insurgent.org - Sponsored by Carlyle Group Try not to let your mind wander... It is too small and fragile to be out by itself. On Tue, 27 May 2003 12:19:08 I was Wollkooked: This spammer is full of sh.t. Get out of my mail or face legal action. I have no such email addresses listed nor would I remove them if I did. The spammer in question is a spammer--that's it, he has harassed and defamed me and my companies for 7 years now and I really don't care what you want. The ISP sending me this threat is hosting a defamation website that is being sued and will be removed from the net+ damages. <boink>--I have already requested at least THREE times that this abuser cease and desist mailing me, therefore I ask that you take action to kill this offending account immediately. > "Mary" <crazyaboutfelines@yahoo.com> posted > <aJukd.31077$YL.2828886@twister.southeast.rr.com> in [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Mary shows us how a rational, logical, sensible human being acts. *bows* Thank you. > > "ceb2" <svendlho@aol.com> wrote : > > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Let it drop already, eh? > Declawing sucks, but what's done is done. A very wise and insightful comment. I think some folks get so passionate about a topic, they don't understand how obnoxious they come across to other people. Insulting others is never a good way to get your point across (and I imagine they do know this) so it makes one wonder whether it's more about being "holier than thou" than advocating for the cause they say they believe in. dragon >> > "ceb2" <svendlho@aol.com> wrote : >> > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > dragon We are all entitled to our opinions. What I see is that Ceb2 is merely making sounds about rescuing the Elusive One Eye and "her sister" to try to prove that even though he declawed three kittens knowing full and well what the procedure entails, he is a Great Cat Lover. Horse sh.t. He knew it was wrong and not only did it, but came here and ANNOUNCED it. The pure arrogance of doing something you know is brutally wrong, admitting it is for the sake of your furniture, then demanding not to be viewed as doing something heinous (and not to be reminded of it or to have others reminded of it) is such a steaming pile of sh.t that neither you nor Kaeli's nor anyone else's pansy-assed opinions mean anything to me. As far as I am concerned, by playing along with this miserable SOB you have your heads as far up your a.ses as he does. Say whatever you like. Kaeli, you too. I will too. What you will NOT hear me say is that I want YOU to shut up. And you can bet I won't shut up. f.ck you for suggesting it. Don't like what I post? Click on by, or killfile me. There are still a few free and open, uncensored fora, until the Rabid Religious Right and/or other control freak fuckups get their way. (...) > We are all entitled to our opinions. What I see is that Ceb2 is merely > making sounds about rescuing the Elusive One Eye and "her sister" Well, he claims to have caught one of them. Perhaps he's lying? On the flip side, he could have singlehandedly saved every freakin' cat in his state from Space Aliens and I'm sure you'd still be standing here frothing and raving in his general direction. > to try to prove that even though he declawed three kittens knowing > full and well what the procedure entails, he is a Great Cat Lover. > Horse sh.t. He knew it was wrong and not only did it, but came > here and ANNOUNCED it. And now he's (apparently) attempting to help some ferals. Independent events. Someone can be an arsehole in some respects and a fine and upstanding citizen in others. Phil's (and Arjun's) replies have at least improved the chances of ceb2 doing anything successful wrt the ferals (well, always assuming that the feral fuss isn't all a made up drug) whereas you seem to be simply getting your kicks from farting in cebs's general direction. This doesn't mean that Phil et al. think ceb2 is God's Greatest Cat Canoodler, just that they have some sort of perspective working. (...) > of it) is such a steaming pile of sh.t that neither you nor Kaeli's > nor anyone else's pansy-assed opinions mean anything to me. Yes, I think we've gathered that. I do wonder why you actually post here sometimes, given that any 'discussion' with you invariably descends into ... well, stuff like this thread. (...) > Say whatever you like. Kaeli, you too. I will too. What you will > NOT hear me say is that I want YOU to shut up. And you can > bet I won't shut up. I do want you to shut up in this case. You look deranged, and more to the point you are not helping the cause of keeping claws intact. All your continual railing will do is to shift any who disagree with you into a defensive and immovable position (as others in this thread have noted). Further, the way you keep stomping into unrelated threads and vomiting bile just does nothing positive in any respect. Get your vision checked. Looks like your perspective is screwy. > f.ck you for suggesting it. Don't like what > I post? Click on by, or killfile me. > > There are still a few free and open, uncensored fora, On the other hand, your way of stalking people you don't like and sh.tting in their threads is one reason why moderated groups can work quite well. Steve. > (...) >> [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > sh.tting in their threads is one reason why moderated groups can work > quite well. Poor Steve. Still sore, eh? (...) > Poor Steve. Still sore, eh? Heavens - a terse reply, with but minor pissyness. Did you give the cooking sherry a miss last night? S. > Say whatever you like. Kaeli, you too. I will too. What you will > NOT hear me say is that I want YOU to shut up. And you can > bet I won't shut up. f.ck you for suggesting it. Don't like what > I post? Click on by, or killfile me. Hey, now, I never said to shut up. I asked you to tone it down because it makes you look bad. That was me trying to help you and your viewpoint (and mine) get a little more respect, in case you didn't notice. Did you really need to be quite so insulting to me? I don't do that to you. Everyone will indeed post what they want, but when it's counterproductive to getting a point across, it hurts more than just you and I. It hurts the cats. If you want people to keep declawing because they think anti-declawers are about as rational and respectful as pro-lifers, keep posting this stuff. More power to you. *shrugs* Signature-- ~kaeli~ When a clock is hungry, it goes back four seconds. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace >> Say whatever you like. Kaeli, you too. I will too. What you will >> NOT hear me say is that I want YOU to shut up. And you can >> bet I won't shut up. f.ck you for suggesting it. Don't like what >> I post? Click on by, or killfile me. > > Hey, now, I never said to shut up. Miss Kaeli, what does "drop it" mean? I apologize if I am lacking interpretive skills, but that to me boils down to "shut up." >I asked you to tone it down because it > makes you look bad. While I appreciate your motives, I make an habit if "looking bad" to certain folks because if I looked good I'd be in trouble. Anyone who thinks I "look bad" due to the things I say here does not concern me. >That was me trying to help you and your viewpoint (and > mine) get a little more respect, in case you didn't notice. Kaeli, thank you for your good wishes and efforts on my behalf, really I do. I mean that. But I have to say that I don't want the respect of Stupid People who think it is Okay to Hurt Wonderful Creatures. I also do not want the respect of people who are censors at heart-- and that includes each and every person who would control the content of this group in any way. (I don't normally place you in either of these groups, by the way. But you sure did sound like a censor in your last post to me.) While I do appreciate your good motives, the fact is that I'm happy participating in the conversation, and really have no interest in "courting" anyone in the group. My opinions and ideas stand on their own and are just what they seem to be. I don't "suffer fools gladly." There are plenty of others who do. > Did you really need to be quite so insulting to me? I don't do that to > you. I thanked you for your comments and told you that I do not care about how I come across to pro-declaw idiots. (In fact, I think anyone who is "on the fence" on this issue is an idiot too. Is it really that hard to understand that mutilating animals you are entrusted to protect is wrong? For Christ's sake! And when you told me to "drop it" I said "No." While I can't say that I wanted you to feel insulted, I can say that I was surprised that you essentially told me to shut up. If that is not what you meant, then I apologize. > Everyone will indeed post what they want, but when it's counterproductive > to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > power to you. > *shrugs* I'm not an activist. I'm just here speaking my mind. Right or wrong, neither you nor anyone else but me gets to decide what I may or may not, should or should not say. There is not a damned thing irrational or, as Steve G. so comically put it, "deranged" about my opinions or the way I express them, but I would defend forever your and Steve's and everyone else's right to express whatever misguided or otherwise opinions you may have. The entire idea that I should tiptoe around butchering morons like Ceb2 with his big-balls solution to saving the Upholstered Walls (mutilation instead of training the kittens, what a concept) really pisses me off. I can say here and now that I cannot imagine how you or anyone else who cares about cats could ever feel this way. But I will not tell you to "drop it," or to shut up. As for how I come across, there is no good to come of limping before the lame. Life is short. > > Hey, now, I never said to shut up. > > Miss Kaeli, what does "drop it" mean? I apologize if I am lacking > interpretive skills, but that to me boils down to "shut up." It means to tone it down. You can take it as "shut up", which to me is very rude and offensive, or you can take it as a polite request to stop being quite so offensive, which is how it was meant. > >I asked you to tone it down because it > > makes you look bad. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > who thinks I "look bad" due to the things I say here does not concern > me. When you look bad to certain folks, how can you be sure you don't look bad to a lot more folks than you meant to? I certainly can't make you care. I do wish you would, though. Life is better when everyone is respectful towards everyone else. It doesn't always work, and lord knows I lapse, too, but I do try to not be a bitch. ;) I think of it like this - I do a lot of things in life I wouldn't do if no other human beings were around. I do these things so other people think enough of me to care about what I have to say. If you don't care what others think of you, why would anyone care what you have to say? Which obviously you want them to - or you wouldn't post here. > >That was me trying to help you and your viewpoint (and > > mine) get a little more respect, in case you didn't notice. > > Kaeli, thank you for your good wishes and efforts on my behalf, > really I do. I mean that. But I have to say that I don't want the respect > of Stupid People who think it is Okay to Hurt Wonderful Creatures. I'm not talking about their respect - I'm talking about the respect of people who aren't posting right at this moment. People who perhaps were thinking of declawing but haven't decided. People who already have declawed cats who might need our help with something else. You seem to want to make the point that declawing is bad, yes? Well, why do that if you aren't trying to convince people who might have cats declawed in the future to not do it? I don't think you do it just out of malice. I think you do have a motive in posting these things. Being so mean won't convince people who haven't declawed yet, but might, that it's bad to do. It will convince them that they shouldn't listen to anything you have to say. I'm sure that's not what you're going for. At least I hope it isn't. > I also do not want the respect of people who are censors at heart-- > and that includes each and every person who would control the > content of this group in any way. (I don't normally place you in either of > these > groups, by the way. But you sure did sound like a censor in your > last post to me.) There is nothing wrong with self-censoring. And tact isn't censorship. It's respect. In print, here, where everyone can come and read posts, your words live for a very long time. You are essentially talking to everyone who might declaw who comes and reads the archives. I don't say a lot of things that I could say because to say them would not acheive anything except animosity. There are other things I say that I've had to think out the wording to so that I can get my point across better. I'm certainly not perfect. I say things I'd like to take back. I don't want anyone to read this and think that I think I never post inflammatory sh.t. I have. I try not to, but sometimes I hit the send button before I think things through when I'm angry. It happens to everyone. > I thanked you for your comments and told you that I do not care about how > I come across to pro-declaw idiots. It was the F-U that came after that I was hurt by. To me, that's pretty strong and I don't think I deserved it. > And when you told > me to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > not what > you meant, then I apologize. No, I didn't mean to shut up. I meant that being so mean about the fact that this guy declawed his cats might discourage other people from listening to those of us who think declawing is wrong. It's not WHAT you say - it's HOW you say it. Like I didn't say "shut up" because to me, that's really, really damn rude. Nor did I say simply "let it drop" - I framed it as a request, not a command. "Let it drop already, eh?" was meant to be translated as "please please please please please please please let it drop?" That better? :D > I'm not an activist. I'm just here speaking my mind. Right or wrong, neither > you nor anyone else but me gets to decide what I may or may not, should > or should not say. So very true. Which is why I'm trying to convince you to decide to say it differently. I am not quite an activist, but I am very passionate about trying to convince people to not declaw. And it's really one big circle, you know. You are telling ME what I should say by saying that I shouldn't tell you what to say and so on... *wink* (smile, I'm trying to be light here) I'm not trying to tell you what to say - I'm asking you to say it differently and less frequently. I really feel that you are hurting ME by saying these things. You hurt MY cause. By extension, you hurt the very animals you are trying to protect. I'm ASKING you not to be so confrontational. Actually, I'm BEGGING. There is a difference between asking and telling. I'm sorry if it somehow came across as a command or something. > it," > or to shut up. As for how I come across, there is no good to come of limping > before the lame. Life is short. Ah, but if a teacher tells a student that he's an idiot and a moron for not doing his work right, does it help? When the PETA nuts go around screaming indignities about animal rights, do you really think it helps anyone? Instead of educating, they just make average people think that they're loony-toons. Which helps the animal welfare cause not at all. What you say and how you say it are surely up to you. But please remember that it reflects not only on you, but on the viewpoints you hold and then on others who hold those same views. What are you trying to accomplish? Will what you say further those ends? If not, and it is hurtful, you've done harm only to yourself if you're lucky and to many, many more if not. Signature-- ~kaeli~ No one is listening until you make a mistake. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace >> > Hey, now, I never said to shut up. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > can take it as a polite request to stop being quite so offensive, which is > how it was meant. Here's the rub: the meaning is the same, just the spin is different. I'm always going to look under the spin for the meaning and that is what I will respond to. So, yes, you were indeed telling me to shut up. >> >I asked you to tone it down because it >> > makes you look bad. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > to > a lot more folks than you meant to? I cannot for the life of me figure out why I should think about whether or not I "look bad" to others. I'm mystified. I'm not even sure I know what the hell that means. > I certainly can't make you care. I do wish you would, though. Life is > better > when everyone is respectful towards everyone else. I appreciate your opinion, and am tempted to begin a discussion of what respect really is, and how one really shows it, but I am afraid I might go too far afield. The greatest disrespect anyone can show me is to attempt to finesse me, lie to me, or maniupulate me. When I am straightforward with anyone, I am giving them the respect they are due as a fellow human being. In fact, that might be the only thing they are DUE, just for being a human being, from my point of view. The greatest disrespect is dismissal. The greatest disrespect is indifference to the point of not engaging. Therefore I am indeed, from my point of view, showing the respect I judge appropriate. > I think of it like this - I do a lot of things in life I wouldn't do if no > other human beings were around. I do these things so other people think > enough of me to care about what I have to say. > If you don't care what others think of you, why would anyone care what you > have to say? Which obviously you want them to - or you wouldn't post here. I think of it like this: "caring" has nothing to do with it. *I* have nothing to do with it. People's personal opionion about how I express myself have nothing to do with it. In discussions we are either correct or incorrect. Arguments are either valid or invalid. This is a place for discussion. Your question "If you don't care what others think of you, why would anyone care what you have to say?" makes no sense to me. Einstein, for example, did not care what I thought of him, but I do indeed care about what he had to say. Hitler, for another, did not care what I thought of him, but I really do care about what he had to say. In posting here I am simply adding a voice to the mix. I literally and honestly and truly and sincerely do not care AT ALL what people here think of me. I love freedom of expression and choice. I love that I can have my say and you yours, and people can choose to read or not, respond or not. Very simple. >> >That was me trying to help you and your viewpoint (and >> > mine) get a little more respect, in case you didn't notice. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > don't think you do it just out of malice. I think you do have a motive in > posting these things. My ideas and statement in and of themselves either merit respect in the eyes of others or they do not. I have no wish to control that. > Being so mean won't convince people who haven't declawed yet, but might, > that [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > hope > it isn't. The definition of "mean" is "petty and small." Do you mean sharp-tongued? Then here's an idea for you: "slap slap WAKE UP YOU IDIOT" also works sometimes. Has it occured to you that anyone who has to be sweet-talked into not mutilating cats for their convenience is probably not worth the air it takes to talk to them? > There is nothing wrong with self-censoring. The key here is "self." You do what you want, I will do what I want. >And tact isn't censorship. And if I want to be tactful I will, if I don't, I won't. Very simple. It's > respect. In print, here, where everyone can come and read posts, your > words [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I > could say because to say them would not acheive anything except animosity. And this, my friend, is stupid. You are overcomplicating things to a degree that I find sad and frustrating. It is simple and clear cut. > There are other things I say that I've had to think out the wording to so > that I can get my point across better. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > things > through when I'm angry. It happens to everyone. Kaeli: you are being overly controlling. You do what YOU do, and I will do what I do. >> I thanked you for your comments and told you that I do not care about how >> I come across to pro-declaw idiots. > > It was the F-U that came after that I was hurt by. To me, that's pretty > strong and I don't think I deserved it. Actually, it was a hypothetical f.ck You. > No, I didn't mean to shut up. YES you did. >I meant that being so mean about the fact that > this guy declawed his cats might discourage other people from listening to > those of us who think declawing is wrong. Honest to God, I am envisioning you there with your head literally on backwards. I do understand what you are saying, but I really do not agree. Let's just put it that way. First, neither I nor you are as all-powerful as you seem to believe. Second, the miserable bastards who are out there going "oh, I don't know, do I declaw, or not, geeeeee, I just can't decide ..." are not nearly as fragile as you seem to think. > It's not WHAT you say - it's HOW you say it. Nonsense. It IS what one says that matters. "How" is secondary. > Like I didn't say "shut up" because to me, that's really, really damn > rude. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > That better? :D No, it isn't. Because you are being overly controlling and your intent is to censor. It is not better at all. >> I'm not an activist. I'm just here speaking my mind. Right or wrong, >> neither [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > So very true. Which is why I'm trying to convince you to decide to say it > differently. I appreciate your efforts but remain inconvinced. > I am not quite an activist, but I am very passionate about trying to > convince > people to not declaw. > And it's really one big circle, you know. You are telling ME what I should > say by saying that I shouldn't tell you what to say and so on... *wink* > (smile, I'm trying to be light here) No, and here is why: I have not and will never suggest that you should not say exactly what you say however you want to say it. If you tell me to shut up and do not like my response, well, then you get to decide how and if you respond. > I'm not trying to tell you what to say - I'm asking you to say it > differently [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > across > as a command or something. With all due respect, I will continue to post what I want how I want and as many times as I want. You and others are free to read or not. It really doesn't matter whether you are asking me or telling me to express myself differently than I normally would. You have every right to ask, and I have every right to say NO. I say NO. > Ah, but if a teacher tells a student that he's an idiot and a moron for > not > doing his work right, does it help? Now this analogy is telling. Are you thinking that you are so superior to those who read here that you are the adult and they the child? I certainly do not feel that way. Talk about disrespectful. As far as I am concerned, my saying to you "Oh my God! You are acting like an idiot" is FAR more respectful than my sayin "Now, Kaeli, dear, is that what you REALLY meant to say? I don't REALLY think you MEANT to imply that you have a right to control what I say or how I say it in a public forum, now did you, snookums?" > When the PETA nuts go around screaming indignities about animal rights, do > you really think it helps anyone? Instead of educating, they just make > average people think that they're loony-toons. Which helps the animal > welfare > cause not at all. Yeah, well, that analogy will hold when Ceb 2 finds me outside his door tossing buckets of chicken blood on him when he comes out. And that ain't going to happen. This is Usenet. It's words. They can be powerful-- or not. > What you say and how you say it are surely up to you. But please remember > that it reflects not only on you, but on the viewpoints you hold and then [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > harm > only to yourself if you're lucky and to many, many more if not. Nonsense. We disagree. Anyone with even half a brain knows that people who hold the same opinions on one topic may be very very different in other respects. Same goes with everyone having different ways of saying the same thing. You have your way and I have mine. Others have others. Give people some credit. As the poet once said, we are not all "lambs with a nosebleed" walking around. Nothing personal, Kaeli, but you will not control, whether by "begging" or "commanding" my expression. If it bothers you, killfile or ignore. >> When you look bad to certain folks, how can you be sure you don't look bad >> to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >not I "look bad" to others. >I'm mystified. I'm not even sure I know what the hell that means. therein lies the whole problem I suspect... teri >>> When you look bad to certain folks, how can you be sure you don't look >>> bad [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > therein lies the whole problem I suspect... > teri My goodness that was witty. > Nonsense. We disagree. Yes, we do. So, I'm going to just drop this now. :) And I'd never killfile you. You have too many good things to say. Signature-- ~kaeli~ Humpty Dumpty was pushed! http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace > > Nonsense. We disagree. > > Yes, we do. So, I'm going to just drop this now. :) > > And I'd never killfile you. You have too many good things to say. Well I'm glad you won't killfile me. And you know that regardless of what I have said, your comments have made me think--and may indeed make me more gentle and less confrontational in my comments. There are people here who I like a great deal, just from their posts--and you are one of them. > > > Nonsense. We disagree. > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > here who I like a great deal, just from their posts--and you are one of > them. Cool. I'm just glad I didn't make you too mad at me. ;) Here's to diverse opinions. *raises glass* Signature-- ~kaeli~ Never mess up an apology with an excuse. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace > Here's to diverse opinions. *raises glass* Back at you! This year's apple cider is killer. (Went down to get a glass and found that Boo had eaten half her canned food and hurled it up INTO her food dish. It's no wonder I don't have a big appetite. Eyyyuuuu!) >Back at you! This year's apple cider is killer. (Went down >to get a glass and found that Boo had eaten half >her canned food and hurled it up INTO her >food dish. It's no wonder I don't have a big >appetite. Eyyyuuuu!) Oh, get off her back. She's just trying to recycle. :-) Sherry > >Back at you! This year's apple cider is killer. (Went down > >to get a glass and found that Boo had eaten half [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Sherry Thanks, Sherry. There goes lunch for me too. :P (...) > I cannot for the life of me figure out why I should think about whether or > not I "look bad" to others. I'm mystified. I'm not even sure I know what the > hell that means. You're either unusual, or suffer from Asperger's. (...) > In discussions we are either correct or incorrect. Arguments are either > valid or invalid. And in this, you're incorrect! 'one cannot say that one theory is better than another, just that one is more useful...'. Einstein, I think. (...) > what he had to say. Hitler, for another, did not care what I thought of him, Welcome, Godwin? (...) > works sometimes. Has it occured to you that anyone who has to be > sweet-talked into not mutilating cats for their convenience is probably > not worth the air it takes to talk to them? The cat might disagree, were it to talk. (...) > Nonsense. It IS what one says that matters. "How" is secondary. Still matters though. Vide ... elections, for example... (...) > No, it isn't. Because you are being overly controlling and your intent is to > censor. It is not better at all. They're OPPRESSING ME. I think you should seek an anarcho-syndicalist commune. (...) > who read here that you are the adult and they the child? I certainly do not > feel that way. Talk about disrespectful. Reflect on your own posts and be wise, grasshopper. (...) > Yeah, well, that analogy will hold when Ceb 2 finds me outside his door > tossing buckets of chicken blood on him when he comes out. And that > ain't going to happen. This is Usenet. It's words. They can be powerful-- > or not. Or full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. (...) > Nothing personal, Kaeli, but you will not control, whether by "begging" > or "commanding" my expression. oops, were back to the OPPRESSION. S. > (...) > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > You're either unusual, or suffer from Asperger's. Yes, I am perfectly unique just like everyone else. Asperger's does not follow. > (...) > > In discussions we are either correct or incorrect. Arguments are either [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > better than another, just that one is more useful...'. Einstein, I > think. Not the same thing. I was not talking about theory, for starters. > (...) > > what he had to say. Hitler, for another, did not care what I thought of him, > > Welcome, Godwin? Right. > (...) > > works sometimes. Has it occured to you that anyone who has to be > > sweet-talked into not mutilating cats for their convenience is probably > > not worth the air it takes to talk to them? > > The cat might disagree, were it to talk. Well good for you, Steve! You surfaced from under your usual load of self-involved hooey and identified one of the irrefutable points Kaeli made, and a flaw, in my response to her. If one is thinking of the cats only, it makes no difference what the owners are like--just that they do not hurt the cats. > (...) > > > > Nonsense. It IS what one says that matters. "How" is secondary. > > Still matters though. Vide ... elections, for example... Taken out of context, so beside the point. > (...) > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > They're OPPRESSING ME. I think you should seek an anarcho-syndicalist > commune. Nobody is oppressing me, foolish one. Not only that but I don't feel oppressed, either. I'm not worried about oppression, either. But whatever you think. > (...) > > who read here that you are the adult and they the child? I certainly do not > > feel that way. Talk about disrespectful. > > Reflect on your own posts and be wise, grasshopper. The fact that you may interpret a confident tone as condescension is your deal, not mine. I just know myself--shortcomings and strengths. Period. It's very simple. > > Yeah, well, that analogy will hold when Ceb 2 finds me outside his door > > tossing buckets of chicken blood on him when he comes out. And that > > ain't going to happen. This is Usenet. It's words. They can be powerful-- > > or not. > > Or full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. That would be under "or not." > (...) > > Nothing personal, Kaeli, but you will not control, whether by "begging" [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > S. It just does not follow. Your lameness is depressing. (...) > Yes, I am perfectly unique just like everyone else. Asperger's does not > follow. Well, your insistence that you're 'nasty NOT petty' and 'sharp-tongued NOT mean' suggests that you do indeed care what people say about you here, so perhaps Asperger's is off the menu today - but who knows what the chef has in store for tomorrow. (...) > > The cat might disagree, were it to talk. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > makes no difference what the owners are like--just that they do not hurt the > cats. Well, it's more than 'not hurting'... (...) > Taken out of context, so beside the point. Here's context: delivery matters always, everywhere. (...) > The fact that you may interpret a confident tone as condescension is your > deal, not mine. I didn't read the tone as condenscension. (...) > Your lameness is depressing. War wound. The Bosch. 1843. Damn near took my leg off. Had to eat my own sideboard to survive. Great days. Still got a gammy leg. Marvellous. Pip pip, S. > (...) > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > NOT mean' suggests that you do indeed care what people say about you > here, That's not what I said, you idiot. I was reminding Kaeli of the actual i.e. dictionary meaning of "mean," because I suspected she meant sharp-tongued. How can I care what anyone here thinks about me when you can essentially think ANYTHING? It's just stupid. It's a stupid idea. You are an old woman of a man, do you know that? You simper, snipe, and split hairs as though these were heroic things to do. You doubt the straightforwardness and genuineness of others because YOU lack courage and sincerity. Go ahead and be an Icky Little Person, but just because this is what you choose does not mean that it is what everyone chooses to be. Amen! I agree. I left the cat groups a couple of years ago because of the venom that can come out of some people's keyboards. It's so easy to be a mean on usenet, being anonymous can bring out the worst in people. Rhonda > A very wise and insightful comment. I think some folks get so > passionate about a topic, they don't understand how obnoxious they [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > dragon > Amen! I agree. I left the cat groups a couple of years ago because of the > venom that can come out of some people's keyboards. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Rhonda It really is. It is also really easy to abuse helpless creatures that trust you. >> A very wise and insightful comment. I think some folks get so >> passionate about a topic, they don't understand how obnoxious they [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >> dragon > A very wise and insightful comment. I think some folks get so > passionate about a topic, they don't understand how obnoxious they > come across to other people. Insulting others is never a good way to > get your point across (and I imagine they do know this) so it makes > one wonder whether it's more about being "holier than thou" than > advocating for the cause they say they believe in. Well, I am rather passionately anti-declaw myself, but I came to the realization that my posts here are read by a lot more people than the person they are in reply to. If someone who has declawed cats comes looking at this group from Google or somewhere because they need help, and they see so much venom directed at people who have declawed cats, they might not post here. Then who have we helped? Who has suffered as a consequence? We can only try to convince and educate people. After that, we can only try to help where we can. To do otherwise is counter-productive to any cause. No one listens to someone they think is a fanatic. I learned my lesson on that one. I self-censor my biting replies because I believe they have the potential to do a lot of harm and almost no potential to do any good. I slip occasionally, granted, but at least I try. ;) Signature-- ~kaeli~ A hangover is the wrath of grapes. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace > I finally caught "Two-Eyes" yesterday. This is One-Eye's much > healthier sister. I called my contact and she met me at the vets where [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > trap. I've also been feeding these cats when their bowls are empty but > I don't want them too full since they may then avoid the trap. > I've also learned that the vet down the street may be systematically > euthanizing some of these cats. The colony was orignally over 20, and [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > And finally to Phil, thanks for shifting over to Mary's camp where you > think abusive insults are more constructive than helpful advice. I didn't shift over to anyone's camp but my own. You seemed like you were all talk about helping this cat. I still think you're an a.shole for declawing your kittens when you *knew* what declawing involved. But I won't let that interfere with trying to help you help this cat. If > you (or anyone else) really wants to help, E-mail me and I will tell > you where to come to catch these cats. If anyone happens to catch [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Carl Put the food out at the *same time* and *same place* every day so she gets accustomed to a feeding schedule. After a few days, you can pretty much count on her being there at the same time. This technique will also build her trust in you and might allow you to actually net her. I wouldn't advise trying to grab her with your hands unless you have a pair of kevlar gloves. If you don't have a net, you can use a tennis or badminton net as a throw net -- you can buy one at any sporting goods store for about $25. Its better to trap her than net her because you'll probably have a problem getting her into the trap or carrier unless the net is a Duraflex. If the vet works with ferals, he probably has a squeeze cage to make it easier to examine and/or sedate her. Since she seems trapwise - so, don't put the food in the trap; place it a few feet away and everyday move the food closer to the trap. When you see her coming right up to the trap to eat, put the food *inside* the trap the next day. Start thinking about building a winter shelter for the cats. http://www.alleycat.org/pdf/feral_cat_shelter.pdf http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_Display.cfm?siteid=1&pCatId=3487 http://www.nitro-pak.com/product_info.php/products_id/372 > > I finally caught "Two-Eyes" yesterday. This is One-Eye's much > > healthier sister. I called my contact and she met me at the vets where [quoted text clipped - 96 lines] > accustomed to a feeding schedule. After a few days, you can pretty much > count on her being there at the same time. I actually have been doing this, but I've stoped putting the trap near the feeding station as I don't want them to associate this place with being trapped since this is where they will be fed over the long term. > This technique will also build her trust in you and might allow you to > actually net her. I wouldn't advise trying to grab her with your hands > unless you have a pair of kevlar gloves. If you don't have a net, you can > use a tennis or badminton net as a throw net -- you can buy one at any > sporting goods store for about $25. I've yet to make any really aggressive attempts at hand catching her, for fear she will lose trust in me. Rather, I've been offering my hand gently for her to sniff. She hasn't gotten closer than eighteen inches, but she already follows me around and probably associates me with food, which is a good thing. > Its better to trap her than net her because you'll probably have a problem > getting her into the trap or carrier unless the net is a Duraflex. If the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > her coming right up to the trap to eat, put the food *inside* the trap the > next day. I'm expirimenting with this now. > Start thinking about building a winter shelter for the cats. There are already several shelters of varying degrees of sturdiness. I've replaced the blanket in one and put a blanket in the other. > http://www.alleycat.org/pdf/feral_cat_shelter.pdf > > http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_Display.cfm?siteid=1&pCatId=3487 > > http://www.nitro-pak.com/product_info.php/products_id/372 >>>> I am >> > photographing any I catch so that when they are released I can tell if >> > I have already brought them to the vet. Let's see the photos. You can scan and post them for free at Yahoo. >Let's see the photos. You can scan and post them for free at Yahoo So let's sum up: Mary's position seems to be: EITHER: I am lying. Making the whole thing up. I'm total bullshit. There is no OneEye, or any other feral cats. No Linda, no trap, no vet that gives this woman a discount on all her ferals. Why? Because it's important that I receive redemption from a bunch of total strangers. That's right, I spent this much time, careful to not trip myself up (and I defy to you to prove I did through my posts), and that I could fabricate this to the level of detail I have. OR I'm telling the truth and trying to care for these ferals at the my own expense and schedule, but doing this for these cats not because I love cats and can't bear to see them like this, but to somehow pacify those same strangers in this newsgroup. I can't beleive you Mary. Honestly. At least others have "agreed to disagree". You once said you were very close to wishing bads things upon me. I think you passed that a long time ago. I'm convinced you honestly wish me dead. Anyway, here's a link to pictures of OneEye http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ctferals/ it's a yahoo group but it's free to join. Look in the photo section. Get you blood pressure checked too. > >Let's see the photos. You can scan and post them for free at Yahoo > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > you > passed that a long time ago. I'm convinced you honestly wish me dead. Oh please. Don't be so dramatic. Mostly I just think you are a major horse's a.s for mutilating those kittens. More importantly, I don't believe anyone who really cares about cats would do such a thing. Honestly, I don't. > Anyway, here's a link to pictures of OneEye > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ctferals/ > > it's a yahoo group but it's free to join. Look in the photo section. That is so horrible. What a wizard this cat must be, to evade someone with such a *choke* sincere drive to catch her. I could have done without seeing photos of the mutilated kittens, though. > Get you blood pressure checked too. My blood pressure is fine. Better when I'm not exposed to dickheads, but that's to be expected. >That is so horrible. What a wizard this cat must be, to evade someone >with such a *choke* sincere drive to catch her. Not too mention a vet and it's staff, a woman who feeds and traps over 400 ferals on a weekly basis, and her support staff. She has been avoiding traps a long time now. So now that you believe me (maybe) your new thing is "Why hasn't he caught this cat yet?" Like I can just pull up, open the passenger door, go "Ok, OneEye, let's take a ride!", in she jumps, and off to the vet's we go. >Oh please. Don't be so dramatic. Mostly I just think you are a major >horse's a.s for mutilating those kittens. More importantly, I don't believe >anyone who really cares about cats would do such a thing. Honestly, I don't. Yeah. I'm being dramatic. >I could have done without seeing photos of the mutilated kittens, >though. Merelay a control. I was sure you were going to accuse me of de-eyeing one of my own cats and taking it's picture. (Although the bruises around two-eyes nose from trying to get out of the trap can be verified by anyone who's trapped a cat) >My blood pressure is fine. Better when I'm not exposed to >dickheads, but that's to be expected. I'm guessing your exposure to dick heads or any other part is minimal. > >That is so horrible. What a wizard this cat must be, to evade someone >>with such a *choke* sincere drive to catch her. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > "Ok, OneEye, let's take a ride!", in she jumps, and off to the vet's we > go. I repeat: I doubt your sincerity because I don't believe that anyone who would declaw three kittens because of their furniture can actually care about cats. Period. >>Oh please. Don't be so dramatic. Mostly I just think you are a major >>horse's a.s for mutilating those kittens. More importantly, I don't [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Yeah. I'm being dramatic. Is this something you enjoy? Creating drama? Is that why you mutilated those kittens and came in here and announced it? >>I could have done without seeing photos of the mutilated kittens, >>though. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > a > cat) I don't care enough *what* you do to formulate any such elaborate theories. In fact, I never said that I doubted the ferals exist. I said, and I repeat, that I doubt your sincerity because I don't believe that anyone who would declaw three kittens because of their furniture can actually care about cats. Period. I think you would like for people to think that you do. I don't think that you do. For example, you said you did not have the money to vet One Eye when someone suggested that you stop making phone calls and actually try to help her. Yet you found the cash to spay and declaw three kittens at the same time. You are full of sh.t. Steve G., Kaeli, and the entire WORLD can tell me otherwise, but I know better. >>My blood pressure is fine. Better when I'm not exposed to >>dickheads, but that's to be expected. > > I'm guessing your exposure to dick heads or any other part is minimal. Yeah, well maybe I'm a dyke. Some of the nicest people are, you know. Even when they are acting like censorious bastards. Now then, here is the deal: every time I see you posting and I feel like bringing it up, I am going to bring up your mutilation of those kittens. Every single time. Why? Because I do not believe you care about cats at all. Why? Because you violated the First Rule of Humanity: ANYTHING WITH A PULSE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANYTHING WITHOUT A PULSE. You are a cruel dickhead, you have your head up your a.s, and I can just tell that on top of everything else, the Holy Furniture around which your life revolves is almost certainly in Very Bad Taste. (Although I must say, Upholstered Walls are the height of Fine Taste Everywhere.) In addition, I would be willing to bet cash that you won't have those three cats very long. Something else, perhaps something Almost As Important As Furniture, will come up, and the cats will lose. Not their toes this time ... but certainly their homes and maybe even their lives. You are a fraud, and an icky little person. And no friend to any cat. >In fact, I never said that I doubted the ferals exist. You CLEARLY inferred I was lying. >Yeah, well maybe I'm a dyke. Some of the nicest people are, you know. >Even when they are acting like censorious bastards. Y'know, I never even considered that you were a lesbian. I was assuming you to be a hetero woman who simply never got any dick. Not that your lesbianism would matter to me. You are correct of course, some of the nicest people are lesbians. Then again, some lesbians are down right a.sholes. >You are a fraud, and an icky little person. >And no friend to any cat. Yes, you already insinuated I was a fraud, then I posted pictures to the contarary. And while I am indeed sometimes 'icky', at 6'3" and 220 lbs I am hardly little. > >In fact, I never said that I doubted the ferals exist. > > You CLEARLY inferred I was lying. When? When I asked to see photos? I ask lots of people for photos of their cats. >>Yeah, well maybe I'm a dyke. Some of the nicest people are, you know. >>Even when they are acting like censorious bastards. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > lesbians. >Then again, some lesbians are down right a.sholes. I imagine you are quite qualified to judge this. More than sufficiently qualified. Since somehow my sexuality is pertinent here, I suppost it is perfectly appropriate for me to offer up my clear impression that you most likely have a little tiny penis. That is at least as pertinent at whether or not I am "getting any dick." So there you go. You paid someone to mutilate three kittens not just because you're a cruel a.shole, but because you are underendowed, dick-wise. It follows. >>You are a fraud, and an icky little person. >>And no friend to any cat. > > Yes, you already insinuated I was a fraud, then I posted pictures to the > contarary. And while I am indeed sometimes 'icky', at 6'3" and 220 lbs I am hardly little. And I repeat what you so handily snipped and have never addressed: I do not believe you care about cats at all. Why? Because you violated the First Rule of Humanity: ANYTHING WITH A PULSE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANYTHING WITHOUT A PULSE. In addition, you said you did not have the money to vet One Eye when someone suggested that you stop making phone calls and actually try to help her. Yet you found the cash to spay and declaw three kittens at the same time. You are full of sh.t. Steve G., Kaeli, and the entire WORLD can tell me otherwise, but I know better. You might as well ignore or killfile me, because I am just going to keep saying it as long as you engage me. You are a miserable, shallow, SOB who cares more about furniture than animals. You may pretend to be anything you like, Stevie G. can misunderstand terms like "stalker" as much as he likes, and every last person who posts here can buy your boatload of crap. However, you will still be a cat abusing piece of sh.t. Anything else? >When? When I asked to see photos? I ask lots of >people for photos of their cats. Anyone whose been fllowing this knows you thought I was lying. >Since somehow my sexuality is pertinent here You're the one who made it pertinent by offering "Yeah, well maybe I'm a dyke" (and I haven't said anything at all inflmitory about your sexuality, whatever it may be, your simply a tunnelvisioned moron, which has nothing to do with you ssexuality) >I suppost it is perfectly >appropriate for me to offer up my clear impression that you most >likely have a little tiny penis It's actually fairly average (and before you start begging, I'm NOT posting pictures of it no matter how free Yahoo is )and it's size had nothing to do with my decision to declaw my cats, nor has it led me to commit any violent crimes. >In addition, you said you did not have the money to vet One Eye when In fact, I did contribute to the vetting of TwoEyes, and will do the same for OneEye when I get him, probably at a higher level, I've also contributed large amounts of catfood, bought in bulk, and may star "sponsoring" some cats, ferals, and "adoptable fosters" whereby I contribute a certain amount each week to feed and vet specific cats and receive pictures and updates. I may also take over the feeding station for the colony where I work, but have yet to commit to this. (Here's Mary's cue to again accuse me of lying) >Anything else? How many ferals have you fed in the past week? How many have you vetted? That would seem to be as good an indication as any of the degree an individual loves cats. As much of a thin slice of Heaven as this has been, I'm through for the night. Your predicatablity has taken any challenge out of this, but I must give you credit for lowering me to your standards of purposeless insults and judging someone I've never even met. > you most >>likely have a little tiny penis > > It's actually fairly average (and before you start begging, I'm > NOT posting pictures of it no matter how free Yahoo is ) You owe me a new monitor. rotfl SignatureCheryl > >When? When I asked to see photos? I ask lots of >>people for photos of their cats. > > Anyone whose been fllowing this knows you thought I was lying. Mmhmmm. >>Since somehow my sexuality is pertinent here > > You're the one who made it pertinent by offering "Yeah, well maybe I'm a > dyke" I think that was in response to your comment regarding whether or not I have been near a penis lately. And for all you know I might have one. :) Idiot. > (and I haven't said anything at all inflmitory about your sexuality, > whatever > it may be, your simply a tunnelvisioned moron, which has nothing to do > with you > ssexuality) Tunnel vision: the kind of vision that reveals that regardless of any and all sounds you may be making, you *still* paid to have three kittens that trusted you mutilated. You bet. >>I suppost it is perfectly >>appropriate for me to offer up my clear impression that you most >>likely have a little tiny penis > > It's actually fairly average I'm sure it is. (and before you start begging, I'm NOT posting > pictures of it no matter how free Yahoo is )and it's size had nothing to > do > with my decision to declaw my cats, nor has it led me to commit any > violent > crimes. I just don't know about that. Even still, your constant grasping for approval is a sure sign. It's leetle teeny tiny. Or maybe it doesn't work. What's up with that? >>In addition, you said you did not have the money to vet One Eye when > > In fact, I did contribute to the vetting of TwoEyes Beside the point. , and will do the same for > OneEye when I get him, probably at a higher level, I've also contributed > large [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > loves > cats. Again, beside the point. You are the one who elected to declaw your kittens (three of them) to save your tacky a.s furniture. That's the point. And what you did to those kittens was heinous. > As much of a thin slice of Heaven as this has been, I'm through for the > night. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > judging > someone I've never even met. Poor thing. Well, don't worry. It's not as though you brought the discourse to that level with this: >>My blood pressure is fine. Better when I'm not exposed to >>dickheads, but that's to be expected. >I'm guessing your exposure to dick heads or any other part is minimal. It's simple. You're an a.shole. If you don't want to be called an a.shole, don't act like an a.shole. You had the power to mutilate those three kittens. You do not have the power to make it look like anything but what it was. A cowardly and cruel act of shallow selfishness. Bet you don't have a single one of them in a few years. Wifey might decide they don't go with the furniture. > > Put the food out at the *same time* and *same place* every day so she gets > > accustomed to a feeding schedule. After a few days, you can pretty much [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the feeding station as I don't want them to associate this place with > being trapped since this is where they will be fed over the long term. > > This technique will also build her trust in you and might allow you to > > actually net her. I wouldn't advise trying to grab her with your hands [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > inches, but she already follows me around and probably associates me > with food, which is a good thing. 18"? You could easily net her with a hand-held hoop fishing net. > > Its better to trap her than net her because you'll probably have a problem > > getting her into the trap or carrier unless the net is a Duraflex. > > Since she seems trapwise - so, don't put the food in the trap; place it a > > few feet away and everyday move the food closer to the trap. When you see > > her coming right up to the trap to eat, put the food *inside* the trap the > > next day. > > I'm expirimenting with this now. Where's her sister? If she hasn't been released yet, make a short path with her used litter leading into the trap. The familiar scent should draw her into the trap. (Btw, queen-in-heat litter works great for trapping toms.) If possible, use the same trap with which you caught her sister - and don't wash it! > > Start thinking about building a winter shelter for the cats. > > There are already several shelters of varying degrees of sturdiness. > I've replaced the blanket in one and put a blanket in the other. Don't use blankets or towels because they retain moisture and dampness. Use a mylar "space blanket" (~$3-4) - reflects 80% of body heat and stays dry - just lay some straw over it. http://www.argear.com/gear/grspaceblanket.html On very cold nights, put a few microwaveable heating discs inside - they stay warm for 10-12 hours. Since you can afford upholstered walls, you shouldn't blink an eye about buying 3 or 4 heat discs... Make sure the shelter is off the ground. Put the shelter on a wooden shipping pallet or build a small platform with 2x4s and 2'x3' x 3/4"plywood. Just nail 3, 2' 2x4s to a piece of 2'x3' x 3/4"plywood - 1 on each end and one in the middle. Very simple takes 10 minutes and costs about $5. Make sure the shelter entrance is facing South - or away from the general direction of the wind. Put up some type of wind barrier that doesn't interfere with entering or exiting - or face the entrance towards a tree. When it snows - make sure to clear the entrance and dig out a path so the cats can get in and out. Because of her disability and age, she may be amenable to homing. She seems to trust you already. Her disability will make her vulnerable. She's had a hard life; let her live out the rest of it in comfort and safety. Think about it. > > http://www.alleycat.org/pdf/feral_cat_shelter.pdf http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_Display.cfm?siteid=1&pCatId=3487 > > http://www.nitro-pak.com/product_info.php/products_id/372 > I will update you when more happens. I for one am glad to read the updates. I'm glad someone is helping these cats. Good luck catching One Eye. Signature-- ~kaeli~ Does the name Pavlov ring a bell? http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace > > I will update you when more happens. > > I for one am glad to read the updates. > I'm glad someone is helping these cats. > > Good luck catching One Eye. Hodge agrees! Good luck! Signaturehttp://www.mindspring.com/~slywy/pages/hodge.html Good work! Thanks for hanging in there and getting one. Hope the other one hops in soon, too. She's a decade old, but that's not ancient. You've probably added several years onto her life. I have my fingers crossed that her sister is as lucky. Rhonda > I finally caught "Two-Eyes" yesterday. This is One-Eye's much > healthier sister. I called my contact and she met me at the vets where [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > rabies and distemper) and released back here. The farm thing that > Linda (my cat Lady contact mentioned) is no longer an option. At least a decade, possibly a few years older. Could be pushing 15, which would make her on relatively short time, but I want it to be quality time. Thanks for your encouragement. Carl |
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