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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / November 2004Urinary tract food supplements
Hi My cat(Ernie) has had to have a couple of emergency ops due to crystal build up. We have been feeding him on a dry PH controlled food since his first diagnosis and now the vet is saying feed him the wet food version. All this PH balanced food is extremely expensive(which I don't mind paying for my boy), but I was wondering if there was a cheaper option such as a supplement that can be added to normal food. I have read up on VegeCAT pH, but am unsure if this would help or not, also if it can be added to meat meals as I don't think my cat would like to be a vegetarian. Can anyone assist? >From: d.azzopardi@caeuk.com (DaZzo) >My cat(Ernie) has had to have a couple of emergency ops due to crystal >build up. We have been feeding him on a dry PH controlled food since >his first diagnosis and now the vet is saying feed him the wet food >version. Yes, definitely get him off that dry stuff. That's what's probably caused the problem to begin with. >All this PH balanced food is extremely expensive(which I don't mind >paying for my boy), but I was wondering if there was a cheaper option >such as a supplement that can be added to normal food. There are supplements I'm sure. But I would first get your cat on an all wet diet. You can do this by starting adding water to the kibble so he gets used to a wetter consistency. Or you can take the kibble and smash it into a powder, add water until it's a paste consistency. Then add a small amount of canned food to it. Every few days, you'll add more canned to the mixture, until eventually you have all canned. Unless of course you happen to have one of those rare cats that take to canned food immediately. I would recommend getting a high quality canned food. Quite a few people here have had success with Wellness. >I have read up on VegeCAT pH, but am unsure if this would help or not, >also if it can be added to meat meals as I don't think my cat would >like to be a vegetarian. I've never heard of this. Cats must have meat and I absolutely would not feed them a vegetarian food. Good luck :) Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecatjournal.com/articles/claws.htm >From: darnit7@aol.comnolitter (PawsForThought) >>My cat(Ernie) has had to have a couple of emergency ops due to crystal >>build up. We have been feeding him on a dry PH controlled food since [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >the >problem to begin with. To the OP: Follow Lauren's "advice" at your own risk. She knows significantly LESS than your vet does about your cat. Managing FLUTD is much more complicated than simply feeding a canned food. To Lauren: Please refrain from giving out dangerous advice that could lead to significant vet bills and lower quality of life for the patient. >From: gaubster2@aol.com (GAUBSTER2) >>From: darnit7@aol.comnolitter (PawsForThought) > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >to >significant vet bills and lower quality of life for the patient. Let's see, what is dangerous? Feeding a wet diet over dry? I see you still know nothing about feline nutrition and still can't comprehend anything. Funny isn't it, how my cats have never had UTI problems? To the OP: Ignore Gaubster who is a known troll in this newsgroup. He knows nothing about feline nutrition. He is obsessed with me as is evidenced by his posting history here. He is a very strange disturbed person. ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecatjournal.com/articles/claws.htm >From: darnit7@aol.comnolitter (PawsForThought) >>To Lauren: Please refrain from giving out dangerous advice that could lead >>to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Funny >isn't it, how my cats have never had UTI problems? No, what is dangerous is diagnosing someone's sick cat over the internet and telling that person to disregard their own vet's advice so you can push some food agenda of yours. But I guess you think that is perfectly normal! For the record, my cats have never had urinary tract problems, either. Also for the record, (and I know this will send you right over the edge that you are already teetering on) my current 9 yr old cat is on Science Diet! >To the OP: Ignore Gaubster who is a known troll in this newsgroup. He knows >nothing about feline nutrition. He is obsessed with me as is evidenced by >his >posting history here. He is a very strange disturbed person. Amazing, isn't it? The only people who think I am a "troll" are the ones who disagree with me. It's easier to shoot the messenger than the message...especially if the message is right on the money! Lauren, YOU are the one that suggested a dangerous course for the OP, not me! Take some responsibility, why don't you? As long as you continue to give out dangerous advice, I'll continue to challenge you on it! Poor Gaubster -- sooooooo thoroughly **spanked** by Lauren sooooooo long ago -- still displaying the wounds from the anguish that runs so deep and now permeates his real life in every waking moment...... eq >>From: darnit7@aol.comnolitter (PawsForThought) > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >responsibility, why don't you? As long as you continue to give out dangerous >advice, I'll continue to challenge you on it! >From: ">equalizer <> >Date: 11/9/04 1:56 AM Pacific Standard Time [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >ago -- still displaying the wounds from the anguish that runs so deep >and now permeates his real life in every waking moment...... ...and once again, you don't address the substance of my post, yet take up for Lauren and defend her since she seems to have a hard time doing it herself! You must be a Kerry voter since you can't seem to deal with the reality of the situation! >From: gaubster2@aol.com (GAUBSTER2) >>From: ">equalizer <> >>Date: 11/9/04 1:56 AM Pacific Standard Time [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >the >situation! Let's see. EQ tells the truth about your crazy obsession with me and you say that makes him a Kerry voter. You really are a nutcase, LOL Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecatjournal.com/articles/claws.htm >From: darnit7@aol.comnolitter (PawsForThought) >Let's see. EQ tells the truth about your crazy obsession with me and you say >that makes him a Kerry voter. You really are a nutcase, LOL Actually, eq gets it wrong all the time. See another post for more proof. As for you, you continue to endanger cats with your misleading and erroneous "advice". There's nothing funny about that. :( I'll continue to correct you as long as you are wrong. > >From: d.azzopardi@caeuk.com (DaZzo) > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Yes, definitely get him off that dry stuff. That's what's probably caused the > problem to begin with. There is no data to support dry diets CAUSING urolith formation in cats whatsoever. To imply such is the case is completely incorrect and would be no different than implying excessive phosphorus causes renal failure, something I know you agree with. Feeding canned foods is indeed a good recommendation for cats with urinary blockages, bladder stones etc. In a study done in Scotland in the late 90's and reported at the North American Veterinary Conference in 1998 in Orlando Florida it was shown that a cat eating canned foods excrete more of the water they take in through the urine, while cats ingesting dry foods and an equal amount of water excrete the majority of the water in the feces. The more water excreted in the urine, the more dilute the urine is and the less chance exists of forming crystals or stones. Thsi study was confirmed by work done in Brazil a couple years later and here in the US by Osborne and Lulich. There are herbs that you can put him on to help. so does acupuncture. Vitamin C also helps. You might want to find a holistic vet for alternative solutions. > Hi > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Can anyone assist? > There are herbs that you can put him on to help. so does acupuncture. > Vitamin C also helps. Unwarranted vitamin C supplementation in cats may be detrimental because excess ascorbic acid is excreted in the urine as *oxalate* - high concentrations of oxalate have the potential to contribute to the formation of *calcium oxalate uroliths* in the urinary tract. Calcium oxalate uroliths cannot be dissolved in cats and usually require surgical removal. I think I mentioned this to you once or twice before. Many thanks for all of you comments so far.....I am a bit confused now though. The vet gave us some Walthams pouches and we also have the Hills food for the Urinary conditions. The cat doesn't seem to like this at all. We also have another cat(female) who we feed normal wet food. Ernie will eat normal wet food all day if given the chance....but I am worried that normal food will cause issues again??? d.azzopardi@caeuk.com (DaZzo) wrote in news:54abe5e.0411080519.3fb3afb6 @posting.google.com: > The vet gave us some Walthams pouches and we also have the Hills food > for the Urinary conditions. The cat doesn't seem to like this at all. > > We also have another cat(female) who we feed normal wet food. Ernie > will eat normal wet food all day if given the chance....but I am > worried that normal food will cause issues again??? He will get used to the Science Diet prescription food. Nickleby was on that for most of his life -- I fed him canned twice a day and left dry out for in-between snacks. I did try a couple of times to go back to normal food and he developed problems again, so my advice to anyone whose cat has this problem is don't even try to go off the prescription food. When I got Madeline, I tried to feed her normal food while keeping Nickleby on the prescription, but that didn't work well (to say the least). I asked the vet if it was ok for Madeline to have the prescription food, and she said it was fine -- so for the first 10 years of her life, Madeline ate the less tasty food. She never seemed to mind, but after Nickleby died and she got to eat normal food again, she seemed much more interested in mealtimes! --Catherine & Rosalie the calicohead > > There are herbs that you can put him on to help. so does acupuncture. > > Vitamin C also helps. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I think I mentioned this to you once or twice before. Yes you have, and so have I, but internet driven fantasy still seems to reign supreme. Factually it is nearly impossible to give enough vitamin C to lower the urine pH even half a point. Same nonsense for cranberry powder etc. There is no data whatsoever that indicates cranberry powder will have any effect on cats. Further, the properties of cranberry poweder in human women has to do with inhibiting bacterial attachment to the bladder wall in human women. It has nothing to do with lowering pH and it is a fools game to imply what works in humans will also work in cats. |
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