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Chris - 02 Nov 2004 11:06 GMT
Hi,

I have two cats. One is a female and a normal weight. One is a neutered male
and is getting tubby. He seems to eat about 3 times the recommended amount
of cat food he should be eating. I feed them both dry and wet cat food. The
female seems to prefer the wet food, whilst the male prefers dry.

My cats greediness is disturbing my sleep. I get up to feed him about 3
times at night. It drives me nuts. I have tried ignoring him but he
scratches the bedroom furniture and whines until I get up. I am afraid he
will ruin my furniture or wake my kids, so I get up to feed him. My other
cat does not disturb me at all at night, until its time for breakfast.

Please help. My cat is putting on weight and I haven't had a decent nights
sleep for months!!!

Chrissie
kaeli - 02 Nov 2004 15:02 GMT
> My cats greediness is disturbing my sleep. I get up to feed him about 3
> times at night. It drives me nuts. I have tried ignoring him but he
> scratches the bedroom furniture and whines until I get up. I am afraid he
> will ruin my furniture or wake my kids, so I get up to feed him. My other
> cat does not disturb me at all at night, until its time for breakfast.

You know, when it's unpleasant for them to wake you, they stop.  ;)

Punish him for waking you, don't reward him. Why do you think he does it? If
your kid whines and whines for candy, do you give it to her? Do you think
that's going to make her stop whining for candy, or whine more?

Use of time outs (put him locked in the bathroom or basement or whatever),
loud clapping or 'NO', squirt bottle, and other aversives will quickly
disabuse him of the notion that waking you is a good thing. You don't want to
hurt him, obviously, but he should get an aversive (NO, squirt, time-out) for
doing something wrong (waking you), not a reward (food).

HTH

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Chris - 02 Nov 2004 17:23 GMT
>> My cats greediness is disturbing my sleep. I get up to feed him about 3
>> times at night. It drives me nuts. I have tried ignoring him but he
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> HTH

You are so right. If my DD woke me up in the middle of the night for food I
would tell her to go back to bed!

I think I will try the squirt bottle. Thanks!
Angela St.Aubin - 02 Nov 2004 15:12 GMT
> Hi,
> My cats greediness is disturbing my sleep. I get up to feed him about 3
> times at night. It drives me nuts. I have tried ignoring him but he
> scratches the bedroom furniture and whines until I get up. I am afraid he
> will ruin my furniture or wake my kids, so I get up to feed him. My other
> cat does not disturb me at all at night, until its time for breakfast.

> Chrissie

If you give him more food before bed, will he eat it all at once, no matter
how much you put down?
Chris - 02 Nov 2004 17:20 GMT
>> Hi,
>> My cats greediness is disturbing my sleep. I get up to feed him about 3
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> matter
> how much you put down?

Yes. I always feed him before I go to bed (between 10pm and 11pm) and he has
woken me up again before 2am.
PawsForThought - 02 Nov 2004 18:53 GMT
>From: "Chris" chris54711@freeserve.com

>One is a neutered male
>and is getting tubby. He seems to eat about 3 times the recommended amount
>of cat food he should be eating.

Then why are you giving it to him?  You control his diet, not him.  You need to
portion his food according to what his caloric requirements are.  If you need
to, consult your vet in this regard.

>I get up to feed him about 3
>times at night.

As Kaeli said, you need to train him to not wake you.  

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kaeli - 02 Nov 2004 19:57 GMT
> As Kaeli said, you need to train him to not wake you.  

On a bit of a side note, I am a HORRID person for _anyone_ to wake up, human
or animal, so wonder of wonders, no one ever does. Always have been. My
mother carried me to bed until I was nearly as big as she was if I fell
asleep somewhere other than my bed. If I was on the couch, I stayed there. My
cats can walk on my head and it doesn't faze me in the least. A person can
vaccuum right next to the bed and I won't stir. It takes a LOT to wake me up.
If something has done enough to wake me, I'm pretty peeved about it. I'm not
a morning person. I've broken a few alarm clocks in my day. *LOL*
The current one is an extra loud one and it's across the room so I don't
chuck it against the wall and roll over and go back to sleep.

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ceb - 02 Nov 2004 21:29 GMT
> The current one is an extra loud one and it's across the room so I don't
> chuck it against the wall and roll over and go back to sleep.

I have one alarm clock that is across the room and another one that is
*downstairs in the kitchen* -- because I can easily get up, cross the room,
turn off the alarm clock, and go back to bed and sleep. Oy.

My favorite though is my puppy alarm clock -- Zoe will jump on my head and
then kiss my face until I get up -- it's good to wake up laughing!

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Annie Wxill - 03 Nov 2004 03:32 GMT
.... He seems to eat about 3 times the recommended amount
> of cat food he should be eating. ...> My cats greediness is disturbing my
> sleep. I get up to feed him about 3 times at night. It ...> Please help.
> My cat is putting on weight and I haven't had a decent nights sleep for
> months!!!
> Chrissie
I think you might be encouraging it by rewarding the behavior.  But, if the
cat really seems to be so excessively hungry, there might be a medical
problem.
You should take the cat to the vet for a blood workup and a checkup.
Also, if you can get him to have a diet of canned food, or at least a diet
of more canned than dry, it will be better for him and he'll be less likely
to put on weight, assuming that he does not have a medical problem causing
the hungar and weight gain.
Annie
Cat Protector - 03 Nov 2004 04:09 GMT
I would try free feeding them. In my household there are 3 cats and the food
dishes have food in them around the clock and they have water in the other
dishes as well. I usually get a decent night's sleep and never get awakened
by a hungry or thirsty cat.

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> Hi,
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> Chrissie
Rene - 03 Nov 2004 20:49 GMT
No, no, no! Do NOT free feed this cat. 1, he's getting reinforcement
(positive) for waking her up, so he's going to continue that, even if
there's already food in the bowl. 2, if this cat is gaining weight,
allowing him to eat as much as he wants will only cause him to gain
more weight.

The first thing that has to happen is to stop getting up when he
bothers you. I know it's hard--and perhaps he'll wake you or your kids
a few times--but it can be done. You might need to shut all of your
bedroom doors for a couple of weeks. You can play with him to tire him
out just before bedtime, so he has less nighttime energy. Does he have
something to do at night--a cat tree, window perch, bird feeder to
watch?

Second, it sounds like you need to establish two mealtimes and stick
to them, one in the morning and one at night. Another poster had
mentioned giving him more canned, which will help him feel fuller and
help him not gain weight.

I have been working with Megan (who regularly posts here) on an
all-canned diet to help my Tucker lose weight, and it's working well.
Hopefully she'll post here with her thoughts. It sounds like kitty has
"trained" you well, but it's time to break the cycle and get back to a
more normal schedule. Good luck.

Rene

> I would try free feeding them. In my household there are 3 cats and the food
> dishes have food in them around the clock and they have water in the other
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> > Chrissie
Steve G - 04 Nov 2004 01:13 GMT
> I would try free feeding them.

If the OP tries this, her cat will be entirely spherical within a
week. On the plus side, it wouldn't be able to scratch the furniture
because its paws would not be able to reach the ground.

Steve.
Cat Protector - 04 Nov 2004 02:30 GMT
Not really. It really depends on the cat. All mine are healthy and have had
no weight problems due to free feeding.

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> If the OP tries this, her cat will be entirely spherical within a
> week. On the plus side, it wouldn't be able to scratch the furniture
> because its paws would not be able to reach the ground.
>
> Steve.
Sherry - 04 Nov 2004 04:31 GMT
>Not really. It really depends on the cat. All mine are healthy and have had
>no weight problems due to free feeding.

You've already said before Jade is fat.

Sherry
Rene - 04 Nov 2004 15:25 GMT
Yes, it does depend on the cat. Some cats are self-regulating.
However, if you read the original post, this cat is already putting on
weight. Free feeding would be a disaster, b/c the cat would eat even
more.

Rene

> Not really. It really depends on the cat. All mine are healthy and have had
> no weight problems due to free feeding.
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> > Steve.
Steve G - 05 Nov 2004 00:14 GMT
> Not really. It really depends on the cat.

Yes. That's why I mentioned the OP's cat, this being a thread about
the OP's cat - not your cat, my cat, or any other random cat that
wanders past.

> All mine are healthy and have had no weight problems due to free feeding.

All well and good, but c.40% of cats in the US are overweight - dry
food and free feeding are mostly to blame. And on the flip side you
apparently feed Noxious Scrapings from the Bowel Walls of Hell to your
cats, which is not a Good Thing, I warrant...

S.
 
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