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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / November 2004Science Diet K/D
Does anyone know of a place other than a vet that I can get Science Diet K/D for my cat ? Thanks > Does anyone know of a place other than a vet that I can get Science > Diet K/D for my cat ? > > Thanks Probably not, since it's a prescription diet. Cathy > Does anyone know of a place other than a vet that I can get Science > Diet K/D for my cat ? > > Thanks Gato, Prescription Diet k/d may only be purchased at a veterinary clinic. What is it in SD K/D that helps cats with their kidneys ? Does anyone know ? >Does anyone know of a place other than a vet that I can get Science >Diet K/D for my cat ? > >Thanks > What is it in SD K/D that helps cats with their kidneys ? Does anyone > know ? K/D is low in protein and low in phosphorous. It is generally agreed that cats suffering from renal problems need low phosphorous food; however, it is not generally agreed that such cats need a low protein food as well. You'll find folks arguing that cats need high protein food, no matter what their kidney condition is. Hills products have a lot of grains and by-products in them, which I don't like, even though I buy this stuff for my CRF cat. However, I also offer better quality dry food, as I have three other cats. If my CRF cat eats the better food, so be it. Hope this helps, dragon > > What is it in SD K/D that helps cats with their kidneys ? Does anyone > > know ? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > food as well. You'll find folks arguing that cats need high protein > food, no matter what their kidney condition is. Actually the argument is nearly over. There have been two grade 1 Evidence based medicine clinical trials in naturally ocurring renal failure in cats. In both clinical trials the results were unequivocal. The second clinical trial will be published early next year by Polzin. The only argument will be at what stage - 50, 70, 80% of kidney destroyed, do we need to lower protein levels. Beynen will be publishing a study early next year in Europe as well on the _prevention_ of renal failure in cats based upon redution of protein and phosphorus in the diet. That one ought to generate a lot of controversy. While it is correct that reduced phosphorus is key to the nutritional treatment, it is a bit more complicated than that. N3 fatty acids, sodium and potassium levels must also be taken into consideration. > Hills products have a lot of grains and by-products in them, which I > don't like, even though I buy this stuff for my CRF cat. However, I > also offer better quality dry food, as I have three other cats. If my > CRF cat eats the better food, so be it. Hope this helps, > > dragon Bear in mind that adding any other food to a CRF cats diet will inevitably add excessive phosphorus and could shorten the life expectancy of the cat under treatment. Polzin's study, and the study undertaken in England are both very clear on the reduction in life expectancy from feeding a "typical pet food". "On average, the survival time from diagnosis is 8 months without dietary treatment and 20 months when an appropriate kidney diet is fed. A prospective study with canine CRF patients provided evidence that the feeding of a renal food instead of a maintenance food may reduce renal mortality." (Jacob, et al., 2002). Interesting info Steve. In our case (canine), once CRF was detected and the diet changed, the dog lived for one year. Nothing appeared out of the norm then (this test was more of a senior dog check-up at the time), however, the kidney panel showed increased levels. So we switched to K/D. Dog lived for one year. Friend's dog was late diagnosed with CRF. Once the switch was made to K/D, the dog lived for only 3 months. She never deviated from the K/D diet. In our case, we mistakenly gave the dog Greenies as the vet said they would be okay (!). Upon reading their label we were disturbed that the protein was so high (92% as I recall). The vet made an abrupt change and said "No Greenies" anymore. All food from then on was 8% or less (Nutra's Lamb/Rice was around 7% or so) protein. I don' know why, but it seems that we accidentally gave far more protein to our dog than our friend did to her dog, but our dog lived much longer. Maybe her late diagnosis? B~ > Interesting info Steve. In our case (canine), once CRF was detected and the > diet changed, the dog lived for one year. Nothing appeared out of the norm [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > B~ There will always be individual cases that stray from the "average". There are people who smoked 3 packs of camels and lived into thier 80's. It is for this reason that studies of this nature must have more than one or two animals in the study. There is a statistically minimum number. I'm a bit curious about the 8%, 7% protein Nutro products. I suspect those were canned products and the percentages you've given are the guaranteed analysis levels. All such values must be converted to dry matter basis. While it isn't very accurate to convert guaranteed values which are always expressed as minimums or maximums, you can still get some idea of the actual dry matter values. Guaranteed values like minimum 8% protein mean a food could contain 8% protein or 15% protein, you really don't know. If we assume it is the 8% value and then convert that to dry matter you get a quite different picture. I don't know what the moisture content is for the Nutro canned products but if we use an common industry value of 75% moisture - that 8% protein value works out to 32% protein on a dry matter basis. If the moisture level is actually higher the protein expressed in dry matter values would go up further. Steve Crane <eodemolay@cox.net> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > "On average, the survival time from diagnosis is 8 months without > dietary treatment and 20 months when an appropriate kidney diet is > fed. A prospective study with canine CRF patients provided evidence > that the feeding of a renal food instead of a maintenance food may > reduce renal mortality." (Jacob, et al., 2002). We seem to have beaten those odds so far. Kami was diagnosed August 2001.  SignatureBrandy??Alexandre? http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? Gato <nospaminnocentcat@peoplepc.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > Does anyone know of a place other than a vet that I can get Science > Diet K/D for my cat ? > > Thanks Some of the online places like petrx.com sell the prescription diets, but they need your vet information. Since I've never purchased this way, I don't know if shipping takes over any savings you might get. They had k/d for 24 @ 24.99. Check around. SignatureBrandy??Alexandre? http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? |
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