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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / November 2004Cat dreams
Greetings, Last night when she was sitting on my lap, sleeping, Rosalie did that twitchy thing cats do when they are (apparently) dreaming -- I have always woken my cats up when they did this, on the chance that it was a bad dream that had them so agitated (and it's not like they have any trouble getting back to sleep or having to go to work overtired!) so I petted her and she woke up. She had this look that seemed to say "thank god it's you!!" and she head butted me for several minutes, demanding scritchies. You just wonder what they dream about. Nickleby would just purr if I woke him up, I don't think his dreams were too disturbing. And Madeline would wake up seeming totally confused, like "who are you and where am I???" It was pretty funny. Do you wake your cats up when they dream? Do they act funny when you do? --Catherine & Rosalie the dreaming calicohead > Greetings, > > Last night when she was sitting on my lap, sleeping, Rosalie did that > twitchy thing cats do when they are (apparently) dreaming -- I have always > woken my cats up when they did this, on the chance that it was a bad dream She was probably having a nightmare about being declawed. >> Greetings, >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > She was probably having a nightmare about being declawed. Huh? She isn't declawed. --Catherine & Rosalie the calicohead > >> Greetings, > >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Huh? She isn't declawed. You missed one?? May be she just didn't meet your criteria for declawing: "undernourished, starving to death, euthanised, or stuck in a cage". (...) > You missed one?? > > May be she just didn't meet your criteria for declawing: "undernourished, > starving to death, euthanised, or stuck in a cage". Er, Phil mate - I know you're getting old, and the world is more confusing for you these days, but FYI: ceb <> ceb2 ceb2 is the declawer (AOL email addy). Not ceb (.edu email addy). HTH HAND, Steve. > (...) >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Steve. Thanks, Steve. I actually thought of changing my screen name when I saw "ceb2" so that people wouldn't get us confused -- but then I figured people would realize that we were different, partially because I sign posts with my name and the name of my (one) cat. --Catherine & Rosalie the calicohead > ceb <> ceb2 > > ceb2 is the declawer (AOL email addy). Not ceb (.edu email addy). In that case, my apologies to Catherine. "Phil P." <phil@maxshouse.com> wrote in news:B-2dnVWE_tGc2eTcRVn- sQ@giganews.com: >> ceb <> ceb2 >> >> ceb2 is the declawer (AOL email addy). Not ceb (.edu email addy). > > In that case, my apologies to Catherine. Thank you. --Catherine & Rosalie the calicohead > >> Greetings, > >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > --Catherine > & Rosalie the calicohead Sorry, Catherine. Wrong "ceb". :- > Greetings, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Do you wake your cats up when they dream? Do they act funny when you do? I figure mine are dreaming of chasing prey and sinking their fangs into warm throats, so I leave them alone to enjoy it. ;-) Congrats again on convincing Rosalie to trust your lap! Priscilla Priscilla Ballou <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in news:vze23t8n- 957189.11311822102004@news.verizon.net: > I figure mine are dreaming of chasing prey and sinking their fangs into > warm throats, so I leave them alone to enjoy it. ;-) I'm always a bit torn as to what to do. Rosalie did seem relieved to find herself at home with me, though! > Congrats again on convincing Rosalie to trust your lap! Thank you -- it's such a delight having a cat on my lap again -- it's been over 8 months, and before that I had lap cats for 19+ years! --Catherine & Rosalie the calicohead > Priscilla Ballou <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in news:vze23t8n- > 957189.11311822102004@news.verizon.net: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I'm always a bit torn as to what to do. Leave her to her dreams. Cats have been having them for millenia without it causing any harm. It's probably as vital a part of their sleep cycle as it is of ours. >> Priscilla Ballou <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in news:vze23t8n- >> 957189.11311822102004@news.verizon.net: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > without it causing any harm. It's probably as vital a part of their > sleep cycle as it is of ours. Thank you for your opinion. --Catherine & Rosalie the calicohead > Do you wake your cats up when they dream? Do they act funny when you do? I can't remember having woken up one of the kitties, but I woke up the dog a couple times when she was dreaming and she gave me a "WhoWhatWhere?!" look... That was pretty funny.  Signature-- ~kaeli~ Hey, if you got it flaunt it! If you don't, stare at someone who does. Just don't lick the TV screen, it leaves streaks. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace >> Do you wake your cats up when they dream? Do they act funny when you >> do? > > I can't remember having woken up one of the kitties, but I woke up the > dog a couple times when she was dreaming and she gave me a > "WhoWhatWhere?!" look... That was pretty funny. I have seen this look, and it is funny! I wonder if they know they are dreaming, or if it's just part of their reality -- I wonder if they think the dreams actually happened. And I wonder if their dreams are imaginative in the way that ours are -- wish fulfillment and all that. --Catherine & Rosalie the dreamy calicohead (...) > I have seen this look, and it is funny! I wonder if they know they are > dreaming, or if it's just part of their reality -- I wonder if they think > the dreams actually happened. And I wonder if their dreams are imaginative > in the way that ours are -- wish fulfillment and all that. Well, we don't even know if they are dreaming, or at least not in the same way as we do. Incidentally, Rasmussen et al. (1993; J Comp Psychol 107: 283-290) asked a sample of (294) people whether it was 'reasonable' to say that cats dream or daydream (also dogs, fish, birds, children). On average, it was considered to be slightly *unreasonable* to say that cats dream / daydream. Or, in other words - most people would say you're SOFT in the 'ED, ceb! Oddly, people were more willing to ascribe morality to a cat than the ability to remember stuff! Even more distressingly, dogs were rated higher on all measures - basically, it was considered more reasonable to ascribe dogs complex mental states than cats. Pah! Clearly the subjects were deranged. Bloody dog lovers. Steve. > Greetings, > Do you wake your cats up when they dream? Of course not. Would you wake a child up when it's dreaming? "Ashley" <ashleyjaneOFFSPAM@xtra.co.nz> wrote in news:Osded.217$lF1.14242 @news.xtra.co.nz: >> Greetings, > >> Do you wake your cats up when they dream? > > Of course not. Would you wake a child up when it's dreaming? Well, yeah, I have woken up children who appeared to be having disturbing dreams -- a long time ago I worked with children in an institution, a few of whom had night terrors -- if they appeared agitated while sleeping, I would gently wake them up and reassure them that they were safe and everything was alright. I have had people wake me up when I was having a nightmare, and I was grateful. I think it's ok not to wake up cats who are dreaming, I was asking what other people do and what kind of reactions they got if they did wake up their cats, that's all. I'm pretty sure Rosalie isn't sleep deprived as a result of being awakened. As I said, I do it thinking that maybe she is having a bad dream, and from the way she responded, I kind of thought I might have been right. --Catherine & Rosalie the calicohead > I'm pretty sure Rosalie isn't sleep deprived as a result of being > awakened. As I said, I do it thinking that maybe she is having a bad > dream, and from the way she responded, I kind of thought I might have > been right. I think you're anthropomorphising. > > I'm pretty sure Rosalie isn't sleep deprived as a result of being > > awakened. As I said, I do it thinking that maybe she is having a bad > > dream, and from the way she responded, I kind of thought I might have > > been right. > > I think you're anthropomorphising. So what? >> > I'm pretty sure Rosalie isn't sleep deprived as a result of being >> > awakened. As I said, I do it thinking that maybe she is having a bad [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > So what? So whatever you want. I made a comment. Do with it as you will. > >> > I'm pretty sure Rosalie isn't sleep deprived as a result of being > >> > awakened. As I said, I do it thinking that maybe she is having a bad [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > So whatever you want. I made a comment. Do with it as you will. Humans cannot know what it is like to be a cat. We only know what it is like to be humans. Therefore a certain amount of anthropomorphization is natural. What else do you expect? > Humans cannot know what it is like to be a cat. We only know what it is > like > to be humans. Therefore a certain amount of anthropomorphization is > natural. > What else do you expect? A little self-awareness. > > Humans cannot know what it is like to be a cat. We only know what it is > > like [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > A little self-awareness. I would say that you are "self aware" enough for all of us. > I would say that you are "self aware" enough for all of us. You know what Mary, every now and then when reading some posts, I tend to think someone has to be! > > I would say that you are "self aware" enough for all of us. > > You know what Mary, every now and then when reading some posts, I tend to > think someone has to be! You have a high opinion of yourself. I am very happy for you. > You have a high opinion of yourself. I am very happy for you. I have a healthy opinion of myself Mary. And I don't have an oversensitivity to what's posted on usenet. > > You have a high opinion of yourself. I am very happy for you. > > I have a healthy opinion of myself Mary. And I don't have an oversensitivity to what's posted on usenet. :) >> Greetings, > >> Do you wake your cats up when they dream? > > Of course not. Would you wake a child up when it's dreaming? I think you're anthropomorphizing. LOL! > >> Greetings, > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I think you're anthropomorphizing. LOL! LMAO! High five to Phil! ;) >>> Greetings, >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I think you're anthropomorphizing. LOL! :-) Fair cop! No. I try never to wake a sleeping cat. This may be why my cats hold me in good standing. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com > Greetings, > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > --Catherine > & Rosalie the dreaming calicohead >Subject: Cat dreams >Path: >lobby!ngtf-m01.news.aol.com!ngpeer.news.aol.com!feed2.newsreader.com!news reader.com!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!headwall.stanford.edu!newshub.sdsu .edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!news.Virginia.EDU!not-f or-mail >From: ceb ceb4v@virginia.edu >Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >--Catherine >& Rosalie the dreaming calicohead They probably dream about all that tuna, salmon and fresh cream that you people deny them. My cat doesn't need to dream of these things because we give them to him. What he DOES do is pretend! He likes to pretend that my foot under the blanket is something to hunt! Even though he knows it's really me. In reality, your cat is probably dreaming about the hunt, since most indoor catz are deprived of this natural calling. It seems that ours would rather hunt at any particular part of the day than anything else. They can't possibly dream in the same way as you or I since they don't understand reality using a language. That's my take. Take it or leave it..... IBen Getiner Dreams usually occur in what is known as REM (Rapid Eye Movement) Sleep. If you wanted to analyse your dreams then you would ensure to be woken up while engaging in this REM. The idea is that if you waken up during a dream then you will remember it. In humans dreaming occurs in bursts throughout the night. If you waken up your cat during this twitching then it would possibly be more likely to remember the dream. Cats have excellent memory so you may not want your cat to remember a nightmare. All the same though, dreams do have a valuable psychological function (Freud wrote greatly on this). So it may be better to 'let twitching cats lie', so to speak. Iain >Greetings, > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >--Catherine >& Rosalie the dreaming calicohead ... >'o'< Rescued Cats & Kittens Needing Homes >'o'< www.celiahammond.org >'o'< > Do you wake your cats up when they dream? Do they act funny when you do? This is what one of my cats does when I wake her up: http://maxshouse.com/Ours/Chatter-wokenup.JPG I could be wrong, but she doesn't look to happy about it. LOL! Phil |
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