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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / October 2004Air Travel With Cat
I might be going to a cat show in Las Vegas with my cat Isis and was wondering if anyone had any tips on how to travel with her by air. I have read it isn't good to tranquilize a cat for air travel since it could be problematic. I have also read that bringing the cat as carry-on and being able to fit the carrier under the seat is ideal but have no clue how much room there is under the seat for a carrier. I have a small carrier (not hard but more sherpa bag-like) but am not sure if it is small enough. I am guessing the flight will be an hour or so since I'll be going there from Phoenix. I am concerned that she might need to use the litterbox as well and I am pretty sure they probably won't allow her out for a bathroom break. If I also were to fly I plan on bringing her into the vet before hand so she is checked out and also has her health certificates with me (This is a new vet so I imagine they'll probably give her a rabies shot and others). I am also wondering if travelling by car is better or less stressful as a trip to Vegas is probably at least a 4-6 hour drive by car? I want to do what is less stressful on Isis. She is ok with car travel short distances but I am not sure as it is a much longer distance. I also have never been to Vegas so I am a bit uneasy. Is air travel better than car travel for a cat? If so, which airline is the best to travel with a cat?  SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > I might be going to a cat show in Las Vegas with my cat Isis and was > wondering if anyone had any tips on how to travel with her by air. I have [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Vegas so I am a bit uneasy. Is air travel better than car travel for a cat? > If so, which airline is the best to travel with a cat? I don't have an answer for you, but this is something I have often worried about as well. Not so much for travel, but for moving far distances. The solution I came up with in my mind, if i was moving across country for example, with my kitties of course, was instead of flying and dealing with all that stress and mess and worry, is to rent an RV so they can wander free, use litter box, eat and drink, etc. Im not sure what i will do if i need to move overseas. maybe hope to find a cruise ship that allows pets?ha! >I want to do what is less stressful on Isis. Why travel with her if you don't have to? Just stay home, she doesn't *need* to go to the cat show. Signature-Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net www.kelltek.com Check out www.snittens.com >>I want to do what is less stressful on Isis. > >Why travel with her if you don't have to? Just stay home, she doesn't >*need* to go to the cat show. Remember who you're talking to -- Isis obviously told CP she wanted to be in the cat show.... eq > >>I want to do what is less stressful on Isis. > > > >Why travel with her if you don't have to? Just stay home, she doesn't > >*need* to go to the cat show. > > Remember who you're talking to -- Isis obviously told CP she wanted to be in the cat show.... > eq Really! I mean, duhhhhh! Even I knew that! I would check with the airline for exactly what kind of carry-on bag would be acceptable in the cabin. Then, If you are not allowed to bring her into the cabin with you definitely do not fly. Drive her. She's been in the car before? Four or five hours is no big deal. I have driven between New York and Florida with one cat and two cats and they were fine. No tranquilizers. Barb Of course I don't look busy, I did it right the first time. Yeah she has been in the car before but nothing like a 4-6 drive to Vegas. I have a small car and she usually travels in the carrier as I am not sure I want a cat wondering the car freely. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com >I would check with the airline for exactly what kind of carry-on bag would > be acceptable in the cabin. Then, If you are not allowed to bring her [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Of course I don't look busy, > I did it right the first time. car travel is FAR preferable for the cat. Your Sherpa bag will fit under a plane seat....but the noise is deafening & very traumatic for the cat. You are right not to tranquilize. In case of turbulence, the cat has to be able to brace itself. 4-6 hours in a car is nothing. And along the route you can talk to the cat, comfort it, supply treats & water. Worst case scenario, you can put on a leash & let the cat use a sandbox....but probably the cat will 'hold it' out of sheer terror anyway. For the same reason, it might not want food or water. But, nice if they're available. Besides, airlines (and only a few of them) - as of 6 years ago- only allowed 3 animals per cabin, so reservations had to be made well in advance. Under no circumstances should a pet ever fly as cargo. Especially a cat like a Persian that already has breathing difficulties. My two cents! I have been reading that the treats and water can be supplied. One Site suggested that I get one of those drip bottles that they use for guinea pigs for the water and few cat treats. They said the cat might not take either but that was ok. I was worried more about the litter box part. I read on one Site that with the flying vs car travel that each are stressful on the cat but that flying may be better as the travel time is cut down significantly. If I fly I will not want Isis to fly as cargo. She needs to be with me in the cabin. Has anyone here had a successful flight with a cat? SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > car travel is FAR preferable for the cat. Your Sherpa bag will fit under a > plane seat....but the noise is deafening & very traumatic for the cat. You [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Persian that already has breathing difficulties. > My two cents! "Cat Protector" catprotector@cox.net writes >I might be going to a cat show in >Las Vegas with my cat Isis and was >wondering if anyone had any tips >on how to travel with her by air. There are several cat carriers that adhere to the airline regulations for under the seat "storage". Before you even do that, though, book the flight where you get confirmation that the airline allows you to travel with your cat. Under no circumstances EVER EVER EVER surrender your cat to the cargo area...even if they stand on their head and swear that it's the cargo area that's safe for pets....don't do it. If necessary, don't go on the flight if they don't let you travel with your cat. As far as being tranquilized, you'll have to discuss that with your vet if that's a good idea. Good luck! I did check one airline and they allow the cat to be in the cabin but it counts as one piece of carry on luggage. The problem with that is, the flight makes a stop in Salt Lake City before going into Las Vegas. Though the flight is cheaper, it does delay my travel time a bit. There is another airline that goes non-stop into Las Vegas but it is a bit more expensive. If I go non-stop round trip by plane it is 2 hours 20 min, rather than 8-12 hours by car. This is a first trip to Vegas for us as well. Besides the flying or car travel does anyone have tips for the hotel stay. We'll most likely stay at the hotel where the show is being held (will probably be for 3 days since it is a 2 day show) so if anyone has tips on having a cat in a hotel room besides air vs car travel please feel free to post. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com "Luvskats00" <luvskats00@aol.com> wrote in message > There are several cat carriers that adhere to the airline regulations for > under [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > discuss > that with your vet if that's a good idea. Good luck! "Cat Protector" catprotector@cox.net writes >..."the >flight makes a stop in Salt Lake City before going into Las Vegas. Though [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >3 days since it is a 2 day show) so if anyone has tips on having a cat in a >hotel room besides air vs car travel please feel free to post. There aren't any cat shows nearby? You have to travel so far w/the cat? How does the cat benefit? You're getting the benefits. The cat doesn't care if you get the ribbons or trophies. She actually doesn't mind the shows too much. I love showing her off as she is beautiful cat and she gets rewarded as well. The last cat show she was at she did pretty well overall. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > There aren't any cat shows nearby? You have to travel so far w/the cat? > How > does the cat benefit? You're getting the benefits. The cat doesn't care if > you > get the ribbons or trophies. >I did check one airline and they allow the cat to be in the cabin but it >counts as one piece of carry on luggage. The problem with that is, the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >3 days since it is a 2 day show) so if anyone has tips on having a cat in a >hotel room besides air vs car travel please feel free to post. Doesn't this sound like a lot of stress on Isis? JUST STAY HOME! Signature-Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net www.kelltek.com Check out www.snittens.com >> There are several cat carriers that adhere to the airline regulations for >> under [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> discuss >> that with your vet if that's a good idea. Good luck! > Doesn't this sound like a lot of stress on Isis? JUST STAY HOME! Yes, he definitely should not drag the poor little moggie about like that just for a show. :) Signaturehttp://www.mindspring.com/~slywy/ > > Doesn't this sound like a lot of stress on Isis? JUST STAY HOME! > > Yes, he definitely should not drag the poor little moggie about like > that just for a show. :) Diane. Seriously, the cat aside. You have read CPs posts. Can you see him negotiating airports etc. with a cat in tow? :) Isis doesn't need this. >"Cat Protector" catprotector@cox.net writes > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >travel with your cat. As far as being tranquilized, you'll have to discuss >that with your vet if that's a good idea. Good luck! my b/f and i were thinking of taking Shaina to Vancouver from NYC, when we go there for winter break, but we don't think that she'd appreciate the 5 hr flight, even in the cabin. my friend traveled from NYC to LA with a small dog and had him sedated. i can't imagine she'd be comfortable like that. -L I would not sedate her if you intend to fly. Also, why take her for winter break? Don't you have a family member or someone that take care of her while you are away? SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > my b/f and i were thinking of taking Shaina to Vancouver from NYC, > when we go there for winter break, but we don't think that she'd [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > -L > I might be going to a cat show in Las Vegas with my cat Isis and was > wondering if anyone had any tips on how to travel with her by air. I have [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Cat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! > www.catgalaxymedia.com I'm interested in anyone who has experience with moving across country with pets. In March, I'll be moving from Nebraska to northern California with a pug, a chow chow and 2 cats. Fortunately I have a minivan, but not quite sure the best way to move all these critters. My thought is to use the large dog crate that I usually use for the chow chow, for the cats. Put them in there with a small litter box, with water and food of course, and let the dogs roam freely in the van. Anyone out there have any other ideas? Thanks, Brigitte > I'm interested in anyone who has experience with moving across country > with [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Thanks, > Brigitte We moved from Washington State to Texas with three cats in a Suburban. Each cat traveled in a hard-sided travel carrier that was big enough for a small litter box. The trip took several days and they were fine. We let them out when we were in the hotel room. When we evacuated one time for a hurricane, we again had three cats, but only one had come with us from Washington. We put that one (Moxie) and her buddy (Cinder) in the largest carrier together. Rosie, who was semi-feral and being tamed, rode in her own carrier. They all did fine. They didn't use the litter box until after we stopped, but they did eat and drink along the way. I think it's important for cats to travel in a carrier because they are likely to panic and run away if they get out of the car. Dogs are safer in a carrier, too, but when we had dogs, we generally traveled with them loose in the car. They had been trained to behave, so we did not have any problems. Good luck with your move. Annie Hi Brigitte, We moved from Indiana to Seattle with 2 cats and 1 rabbit. It was four 10-hour days of driving. We were bad, we let the cats out of the kennels. I know it is safer to keep them in and to strap the kennels with the seat belt in case of an accident, but it was such a long drive. The cats did not eat or drink while in motion, although they did catch up at night in the hotel. I think one cat used the litter box once on the road, but the other was so scared she just peed where she lay (tucked up in a sweatshirt.) It was tough, but we all made it. We had collars and name tags on every one of them. We didn't have a cell phone so we put my parents' number on it and told them not to hang up if someone said they had "their" cat! Don't let the cats out of the car except at the hotel -- even if they are on a leash. They can easily freak and run. You might put up baby sun screens on the side windows where needed. Plan ahead for hotel chains that take animals. I haven't checked for awhile, but LaQuintas used to take them. Good luck! Rhonda > I'm interested in anyone who has experience with moving across country with > pets. In March, I'll be moving from Nebraska to northern California with a [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Thanks, > Brigitte > Hi Brigitte, > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > Thanks, > > Brigitte Hi Rhonda, Thanks for the good ideas. I'll keep them in mind when we're ready to make our trip. Brigitte >I might be going to a cat show in Las Vegas with my cat Isis and was >wondering if anyone had any tips on how to travel with her by air. I have >read it isn't good to tranquilize a cat for air travel since it could be >problematic. Hi, C.P. Even if it were advisable to tranquilize the cat, which it is not, you might be in violation of some of the cat show rules. I don't know about cat shows, but horse shows, and I believe dog shows, can disqualify or severly penalize people who try to exhibit animals that have been drugged. Annie I would not tranquilize her. Besides, most of the information I have read says this can cause plenty of problems for the cat and that sedating them is not the answer. Also Isis goes to the cat shows mostly to comepete in the household pet category (HHP) and as exhibition because she is one of the powers that be at our station for cats. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > Hi, C.P. > Even if it were advisable to tranquilize the cat, which it is not, you [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > have been drugged. > Annie >I would not tranquilize her. Besides, most of the information I have read >says this can cause plenty of problems for the cat and that sedating them is >not the answer. Also Isis goes to the cat shows mostly to comepete in the >household pet category (HHP) and as exhibition because she is one of the >powers that be at our station for cats. CP. Please. Isis is a cat. She doesn't run a radio station, and she doesn't go to cat shows to compete. You drag her there. She's a cat. She wasn't socialized at cat shows as a kitten, and it's going to be very stressful for her. Remember the last cat show you took her to? Remember telling us all how she got nervous and hissed? Taking her *out of state* to a cat show is mean. If you want a nice outing with her, wait for a local show. You're doing this for Noehl Rosen, not for Isis. Are you dragging Jade and Icarus along too? Sherry > CP. Please. Isis is a cat. She doesn't > run a radio station, and she doesn't go [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > local show. You're doing this for Noehl > Rosen, not for Isis. You're right on the money, Sherry, and I agree this is a really mean thing to do to Isis. I did a google and found the post describing Isis at the cat show. It makes me sick to think he would force her to go through this after what happened before. In this excerpt, it is patently obvious that he's forcing her into something she does not want and his winning *something* is more important.: "The fourth ring though one of the cats in the cage next to her was hissing and took a swipe at the judge which then set off Isis who was hissing, growling, nipping, and swatting. It took a while to get her out of the cage but I brought her back to where she was benched and was able to calm her down a bit. I was able to bring her back to be judged and she got 10th Best HHP. The cat which set her off got 7th. The next day with the incident still on her mind Isis was hissing when I put her in the cage in the fifth ring but not swatting and she placed 10th Best HHP again. The sixth ring she placed 10th Best HHP because the judge allowed me to calm Isis down. She didn't want to go into the cage so I felt it was better to just withdrawl but the judge was flexible and allowed me to calm Isis down and bring her back to the ring. The seventh ring she also was hissing and the judge took her first before she ever went into the cage as I told him about the previous day's episode. She placed 10th Best HHP but it was the sweetest 10th because Isis may have been hissing but she wasn't swatting or biting. I used Feliway which helped a little bit as well. But clearly by the 6th ring she was turning around. When I took her back to her cage and gave her canned Friskies she was eating that and of course took a lick of cream cheese off my bagle. I also made a big fuss over her and praised her and told her what a great kitty she was. The last ring Isis placed 7th Best HHP and I was really happy because even though she hissed a little she was very good with the judge who saw she had a pretty sweet disposition. The cat which set her off in the 4th ring got 10th because his human had to be up there with him when the judge showed him off. Also Isis was not benched near this cat and I requested Isis be put in the very last cage. I think it made a slight difference because Isis had her back to everyone and she just seemed to focus on something other than the other cats, the crowd or the judge. Also this judge did not count her slight attitude against her so much because she seemed to understand Isis was somewhat of a nervous cat." It is SO obvious Isis does NOT WANT TO BE THERE, but, as usual, CP ignores the obvious. If he really cared about Isis and not his own selfish desires he'd leave her at home. This sentence is particulary telling: "I think it made a slight difference because Isis had her back to everyone and she just seemed to focus on something other than the other cats, the crowd or the judge." That pretty much covers everything where she was and poor Isis was probably trying to beam herself home. :-( CP should be ashamed of himself for forcing Isis to suffer such trauma. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray Actually Isis has become used to being shown since that time and was on a TV show where they were showing other cats. She knew they were there and actually came out of here carrier and did not hide. She also was not nervous with the hussle and bussle. It's amazing that people will go back to a Google from almost two years ago when a lot has changed since then. Cats get used to being shown and Isis has no problems since that show. If you cared about the facts you would have also read that she did well up until the time that a cat that wasn't supposed to be in the ring next to her took a swipe at one of the judges which she saw and that was what set her off. People I didn't come here to debate whether or not cats should be at cat shows but whether or not flying or driving was less stressful on the cat and to get advice on the subject. I don't need a lecture nor do I need the bad mouthing. Just travel tips. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > You're right on the money, Sherry, and I agree this is a really mean > thing to do to Isis. I did a google and found the post describing Isis [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > > - W.H. Murray >Actually Isis has become used to being >shown since that time and was on a TV [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >not hide. She also was not nervous with >the hussle and bussle. Now you're flat out lying. Isis had an accident in the carrier because she was scared, and you said that she was stressed and shed all over you. You also said Isis would stay on your lap because a "nervous and scared" cat would stay with its owner. http://groups.google.com/groups?q=isis+cat+show&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&selm =qOVd9.54264%24Ic7.3970413%40news2.west.cox.net&rnum=5 And don't tell me this isn't all about "you." You even said that you are now a local celebrity and worthy of all the attention. If that's not egotistical and self-serving I don't know what is. Poor, poor Isis. It's a shame she has such a selfish jerk for an owner. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray You're pulling up a post from over 2 years ago. Obviously you have too much time on your hands. That was her first appearence on a show so she of course would be nervous. She also didn't travel much then. The last show she was on, she came out of the carrier in the studio, walked around and had no problems. Cats can adapt pretty well to new changes. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > Now you're flat out lying. Isis had an accident in the carrier because > she was scared, and you said that she was stressed and shed all over [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > - W.H. Murray Why do you insist on going on a plane for 5 hours for another "ribbon"? As a publicist, I know press materials do not have to reflect prize winning acclaims from all over the planet. If Isis has received ribbons in the local area, and nearby regions, you can promote that and your agenda, too. Hey..we all know our cats are the prize winners! :-) CP wrote: >Also Isis goes to the cat shows mostly to >comepete in the household pet category >(HHP) No. YOU force her to compete. Isis couldn't care less about competing in a cat show. This is all about YOU, and you're not taking into consideration what is best for her. >and as exhibition because she is one of >the powers that be at our station for cats. A photo would do just as well. Again, Isis doesn't give a rip about YOUR radio station and putting her "on display" does not benefit her in any way and is done only for your own selfish purposes. If you really cared about her you'd putyour selfish desires aside and let her stay t home where things are comfortable and familiar. But nooooo you want to drag her on an airplane, put her in a strange place (hotel), then put her on public display in another strange environment so you can promote your station. That's just sad, and it's mean. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray It is obvious that some of you don't approve of cat shows but I happen to like them. Isis does care about the station because she helped create it. She does the shows because people can become more educated about cats and her story has a great chance of being told like a lot of cats that were adopted from shelters. Her going to the shows can help promote cats being adopted which is one of the other reasons. I have to wonder if those on here who object to cat shows are willing to go to one and tell those that exhibit there that it is bad for the cat? SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > No. YOU force her to compete. Isis couldn't care less about competing in > a cat show. This is all about YOU, and you're not taking into [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > - W.H. Murray > It is obvious that some of you don't approve of cat shows but I happen to > like them. Isis does care about the station because she helped create it. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > here who object to cat shows are willing to go to one and tell those that > exhibit there that it is bad for the cat? *I* help cats get adopted every day by volunteering at an animal rescue, not hauling my cats around to cat shows! My cats don't need to do anything except stay home. You can go to the cat show yourself and talk to people and tell them how wonderful Isis is, you don't need to drag her there. Why don't you do what you are always telling people on here: think like a cat. Does a cat want to be stuffed in a carrier, sit in a car or an airplane, and then go to a strange place? NO! Signature-Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net www.kelltek.com Check out www.snittens.com >> No. YOU force her to compete. Isis couldn't care less about competing in >> a cat show. This is all about YOU, and you're not taking into [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >> >> - W.H. Murray Does this animal rescue do mobile adoptions? A lot of them do and a lot of them go to cat shows so people can see cats for adoption. In fact I was at a cat show this past weekend where they had cats for adoption. Pretty nice cats too. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > *I* help cats get adopted every day by volunteering at an animal rescue, > not hauling my cats around to cat shows! My cats don't need to do [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] >>> >>> - W.H. Murray > Does this animal rescue do mobile adoptions? A lot of them do and a lot of > them go to cat shows so people can see cats for adoption. In fact I was at > a cat show this past weekend where they had cats for adoption. Pretty nice > cats too. No, we don't. We are all volunteer, meaning everyone from the President on down does this for absolutely no pay. We feel it's better to promote ourselves and have people come to us, rather than us go to them. As for cat shows, I don't think there really are that many in this area. I've only been to one that I just kind of happened across in Portland, ME. Signature-Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net www.kelltek.com Check out www.snittens.com >> *I* help cats get adopted every day by volunteering at an animal rescue, >> not hauling my cats around to cat shows! My cats don't need to do [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] >>>> >>>> - W.H. Murray Here's another idea. Cats are incorporated in social work situations all the time. They are brought to to nursing homes (the elderly respond well to animals), community areas for the disabled (many connect to the animals), etc. That would do so much more for people that cat shows, no? > Here's another idea. Cats are incorporated in social work situations all the > time. They are brought to to nursing homes (the elderly respond well to > animals), community areas for the disabled (many connect to the animals), etc. > That would do so much more for people that cat shows, no? ...and many elderly people are hearing impaired.- they would enjoy the cats without being forced to listen to CP's mindless babbling. > Here's another idea. Cats are incorporated in social work situations all the time. They are brought to to nursing homes (the elderly respond well toanimals), community areas for the disabled (many connect to the animals), etc. > That would do so much more for people that cat shows, no? Wahahaa! The milk of human kindness just overflows in you, eh? Mary" crazyaboutfelines@yahoo.com drools >"Luvskats00" wrote >"...Cats are incorporated in social work situations all >the time. They are brought to to >nursing homes (the elderly respond well >toanimals), community areas for >the disabled (many connect to the >animals)...That would do so much >more for people that cat shows, no? >>Wahahaa! The milk of human >>kindness just overflows in you, eh? Oh, shutup already. We know you're a demented angry dried up person who is a social deviant. All you can do is to rant. I wonder why you respond with such bitterness to posts..have you been used up and discarded? jilted? evicted? unemployed? confined/jailed? There is hope if you contact a therapist. > Mary" crazyaboutfelines@yahoo.com drools > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Oh, shutup already. No. >We know you're a demented angry dried up person who is a social deviant. And proud of it, asswipe! All you can do is to rant. I wonder why you respond with such bitterness to posts..have you been used up and discarded? jilted? evicted? unemployed? confined/jailed? There is hope if you contact a therapist. *Sob!* You know me so well! > Here's another idea. Cats are incorporated in social work situations all the > time. They are brought to to nursing homes (the elderly respond well to > animals), community areas for the disabled (many connect to the animals), etc. > That would do so much more for people that cat shows, no? Whoa - I actually agree w/ you on this one! cathy >> Here's another idea. Cats are incorporated in social work situations all >the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Whoa - I actually agree w/ you on this one! My boys do both. They are both champion alters *and* certified therapy cats. And I know many other show people who do the same. Orchid See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage Want a Purebred Cat? Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid >>> Here's another idea. Cats are incorporated in social work situations all >>the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage >Want a Purebred Cat? Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid How do you get involved with that program? eq >How do you get involved with that program? http://www.deltasociety.org/petpart/dsa400.htm Orchid See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage Want a Purebred Cat? Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid >> Here's another idea. Cats are incorporated in social work situations all >the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >cathy She has her moments. I was actually thinking of putting Floppy into one of those programs. I think he'd LEAP into the carrier when he learned he was going to visit people in the nursing home. eq CP wrote: > It is obvious that some of you don't > approve of cat shows but I happen to > like them. Nobody has said a single word about disapproving of cat shows. >Isis does care about the > station because she helped create it. No, she didn't. You may have had the idea with her in mind, but she didn't do anything. > She does the shows because people can > become more educated about cats and her > story has a great chance of being told > like a lot of cats that were adopted > from shelters. No, you force her to be at shows because you want praise and pats on the back. She doesn't want to be there and her behavior at previous shows makes that obvious. >Her going to the shows > can help promote cats being adopted > which is one of the other reasons. Every cat show I've been to has a booth that promotes adopting shelter cats, so forcing Isis to be there and stressing her out to do a "job" that's already being done is just mean and is not fair to her. >I have to wonder if those on here who > object to cat shows are willing to go to > one and tell those that exhibit there > that it is bad for the cat? Sherry already pointed out that show cats are brought to shows from kittenhood, are used to that type of environment, and are quite comfortable in it. Isis is not, and was not raised that way. What you seem to be ignoring is that to Isis, a cage means the same as it did when she was in one at the shelter, and every time you put her in one she probably thinks she's going to be dumped again and be in a shelter again. Especially when she is in a large area with a bunch of other cats, which is no different than what it was like in the shelter. She doesn't know the difference and putting her under this kind of stress on purpose is cruel. This is no different than forcing someone that was attacked by a dog to sit in a room full of dogs. It's stressful, scary and it's unfair. For you to do this to Isis when, from your own description, she is extremely stressed, you have to calm her down, and she is hissing all the time, how can you possibly think this is a kind thing to do to her? Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray You seem to disapprove of them as do some others. I think you just jumped into the conversation to attack me whatever the reason. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > CP wrote: > Nobody has said a single word about disapproving of cat shows. > [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > > - W.H. Murray CP wrote: >You seem to disapprove of them as do >some others. No, and I have said nothing of the sort. What I disapprove of is you being mean to Isis. >I think you just jumped into the >conversation to attack me whatever the >reason. The reason is very clear, and I made it so. You are being mean to Isis, a cat you claim to love. You don't care about her at all and are using her to promote YOU despite the fact that it upsets her. I doesn't get more simple than that. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray > Isis does care about the station because she helped create it. > She does the shows because people can become more educated about cats and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Cat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! > www.catgalaxymedia.com This is silly. I absolutely adore my cats and probably bore people by talking about them so often, but I would never try to say that *they* decided on a career move for me. For that matter, our local paper ran a wonderful story on Duffy that was used to encourage other people to adopt special needs pets. However, *the reporter and I* decided to do the feature -- I would never try to say that *Duffy decided* to do it in an attempt to help other cats (even though that was *our* intention). As Sherry said, these are cats, after all. They are not little four-footed humans. I love them for what the are; it is not necessary to try to morph them with human characteristics. MaryL Isis did decide. It's human ignorance that says that a cat can't possibly decide their path in life. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > This is silly. I absolutely adore my cats and probably bore people by > talking about them so often, but I would never try to say that *they* [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > MaryL > Isis did decide. It's human ignorance that says that a cat can't possibly > decide their path in life. And how did you converse with her? Just how did she communicate her *desire* to help the radio station? You must have access to some language that the rest of us have missed. MaryL I opened up my mind and listened. Humans have the gift but many choose not to use it. I have always had a special bond with Isis. As for the radio station, the story was a simple one. I was resting comfortably on the couch one day. Isis meowed. She didn't want food, she didn't want water and she didn't want to play. I saw a CD sitting on the table and simply knew what she wanted so I put it in the stereo and played it. She laid down and relaxed and thus began Cat Galaxy. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com "MaryL" <carstan101@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER> wrote in message > And how did you converse with her? Just how did she communicate her > *desire* to help the radio station? You must have access to some language > that the rest of us have missed. > > MaryL >I opened up my mind and listened. Humans have the gift but many choose not >to use it. I have always had a special bond with Isis. As for the radio [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >she wanted so I put it in the stereo and played it. She laid down and >relaxed and thus began Cat Galaxy. Yet when Isis hissed, swiped, shed all over the place and pooped in her carrier, she was desperately trying to tell you something and you won't listen. CP, cat show cats are completely obvlivious to the hustle and bustle. They don't even shed because of nervousness. They're completely accustomed to it. Isis is not. You're going to drag her on an airplane, and you have no idea how a pressurized cabin or altititude is going to affect her. You're taking her through a busy airport, to strange hotel rooms, and separating her from her security, which is her home and the other cats she knows. And for WHAT? How is this going to benefit Isis? It's not. I also find it completely ironic that you claim you can't afford vet care, or better quality food for your cats. But you can pay for airfare, hotel room, cat show entry fees (which aren't cheap). It's all about Noehl Rosen. It's never been about the cats. Sherry > And for WHAT? How is this going to benefit Isis? It's not. > I also find it completely ironic that you claim you can't afford vet care, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > It's all about Noehl Rosen. It's never been about the cats. > Sherry Take the money you would spend going to this cat show and make a donation to an animal shelter. Signature-Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net www.kelltek.com Check out www.snittens.com > >I opened up my mind and listened. Humans have the gift but many choose > >not [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > which is > her home and the other cats she knows. you've got to be kidding me... psychic conversations with cats... what a whack job. every time this cat protector person posts, it raises some sort of ridiculous controversy. i have to think this guy is just bored and loves to troll this group since everyone is so responsive. >I opened up my mind and listened. Humans have the gift but many choose not >to use it. I have always had a special bond with Isis. As for the radio [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> >> MaryL Obviously you have no interest in the metaphysical or are scared. I have to wonder if you think pet psychics are also wack jobs? SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > you've got to be kidding me... psychic conversations with cats... what a > whack job. every [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >>> >>> MaryL > I have to > wonder if you think pet psychics are also wack jobs? I don't think you have to wonder much about that! LOL! >> I have to >> wonder if you think pet psychics are also wack jobs? > > I don't think you have to wonder much about that! LOL! not at all, at least they are smart enough pull a scam they can't get caught at, unlike your regular psychics. what's the pet going to do, "uh... no, sorry, you're way off". my wife's friend uses one for her dog and boy do we laugh behind her back when her "psychic" gives her obvious advice. > Obviously you have no interest in the metaphysical or are scared. I have to > wonder if you think pet psychics are also wack jobs? LOL! I'm guessing "yes!" > I love them for what the are; it is not necessary to try to morph > them with human characteristics. Anthropomorphizing animals has done more harm to them than nearly anything else ever could. (Whether it's killing a species because it's "evil" or mistreating them like little human beings.) Signaturehttp://www.mindspring.com/~slywy/ "Cat Protector" catprotector@cox.net writes >"..She does the shows because >people can become more educated about cats and >her story has a great chance of >being told like a lot of cats that were >adopted from shelters..." I presume you contact the media in advance to confirm that Isis isn't making the trips for nothing. Actually, we do send info out to local media. If you don't advertise then how do people know you are there. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > I presume you contact the media in advance to confirm that Isis isn't > making > the trips for nothing. << But nooooo you want to drag her on an airplane, put her in a strange place (hotel), then put her on public display in another strange environment so you can promote your station. That's just sad, and it's mean. and stoopid. www.mimiforsyth.com Isis not only promotes the station but she also competes in the HHP category. She's a beautiful cat so I'm proud to show her. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > << But nooooo you want to drag > her on an airplane, put her in a strange place (hotel), then put her on [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > www.mimiforsyth.com > Isis not only promotes the station but she also competes in the HHP > category. She's a beautiful cat so I'm proud to show her. ....regardless of how she feels about it and how it affects her. People like you make me tremble every time I place a cat. > I might be going to a cat show in Las Vegas with my cat Isis and was > wondering if anyone had any tips on how to travel with her by air. I have [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Cat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! > www.catgalaxymedia.com I used to make one round-trip (approximately 1300 miles each way) once or twice a year. I used a tranquilizer the first time, but after seeing how sick it made my cat, I swore never to use one again. Moreover, I soon found that it wasn't needed. My cats would curl up and not make a sound unless I got up to go to the restroom -- then everyone in the plane would hear the one cat calling for me. You should call the specific airline and ask for the underseat dimensions because they do vary. I never had a cat use the litter (and I did include some in the carrier) on the plane. You will also need to make a reservation some time in advance because most airlines will only permit one pet per cabin (and some do not permit it at all, so make your selection carefully). As you already mentioned, you will need a current health certificate; and there are some specific requirements for vaccinations. Now, you mentioned a second possibility -- and I would personally find it much preferable to drive rather than take the plane. In fact, I later began to travel the same distance by car, and I felt that was much less stressful for my cats. All of them travelled very easily by car. The travel time you described won't even be all that much different because you would need to allocate extra time for early arrival at the airport and security checks. I also don't know what the current security requirements are for pets. You should check to see if you will be required to take Isis out of the carrier. If this is a requirement, how do you think she would react to the situation? Above all, *do not* agree to send her ton the converyer-belt where carryon luggage is sent for scanning. I always insisted on having mine hand carried *around* the security area, but that was long before the more rigid security requirements were established after 9/11. Incidentally, I always got health certificates even when travelling by car; some states have very specific requirements. I was never asked to show a health certificate, but I didn't want to take any chances. I always had an open litter box on the floor of the back seat, and I had cat food, water, toys, etc. with me. *None* of my cats ever used the litter box or would eat or drink until we arrived for the evening -- but you want to be prepared. As soon as we arrived at a motel for the night, I would take the litter box in and open the cat food. They would dig right in, and there were never any problems. MaryL -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- From: "Cat Protector" <catprotector@cox.net> >I might be going to a cat show in Las Vegas with my cat Isis and was >wondering if anyone had any tips on how to travel with her by air. If you MUST take your cat to the show, would you consider chartering a small plane for the trip? I'm showing 222 Nautical Miles from Phoenix to LV on my flight planner. So it's about an hour and a half in a GA aircraft like a Beechcraft Bonanza. Not cheap....but it could be a LOT easier on Isis. You could basically go from car to plane....no crowds of strange people. And if she is calm during the flight, the pilot may even allow her to be taken out of the carrier. Some cats love flying. I had a cat (no longer with us) that enjoyed flying with my wife and me. We'd belt the carrier into the rear seat for T/O and landing and let her out at cruise alt. She'd lie on top of the carrier and look out the window during the flight, or curl up in my wife's lap and nap. I still use the old checklist in memory of her: LANDING fuel pump - on fuel - fullest tank mixture - rich landing gear - down cat - in carrier ......... > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > planner. So it's about an hour and a half in a GA aircraft like a Beechcraft Bonanza. > Not cheap.... ...but he is. Come on, he is complaining that non-stop is more expensive. You think he's going to charter a plane? -- Barb Of course I don't look busy, I did it right the first time. > I might be going to a cat show in Las Vegas with my cat Isis Didn't the last cat show really stress her out? Why would you want to put her through that stress again? Let me guess: she "told" you she wants to go, meet some new friends, hang out and cough up a few hairballs together, and maybe win a ribbon or two? Going by plane is not just a couple hours. You put the cat into a travel case. Then you have to get to the airport, arrive early, wait for your flight, then get from the airport to the hotel. Add up the hours that the cat is in the travel case and it comes closer to driving. -- Barb Of course I don't look busy, I did it right the first time. Hi, It can definitely be done! I have moved my cats from Germany to California last year and they both made it ok. I have to say though that my female kitty now has intense fear of confined spaces and generally does not take as well to being held as before. Initially she was very distant but more recently she has returned to being more than she was before the move (It has taken her almost a year). Air travel will be very stressful but so is going by car. Since it is a short flight I would just take the cat in the passenger cabin. I couldn't do that since there is a weight limit and my tomcat is huge (~18lbs). As for sedation, it was discouraged by my vet since it will mess with the cats ability to regulate its body temperature. Best Regards, Matthias > I might be going to a cat show in Las Vegas with my cat Isis and was > wondering if anyone had any tips on how to travel with her by air. I have [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Vegas so I am a bit uneasy. Is air travel better than car travel for a cat? > If so, which airline is the best to travel with a cat? Just in case no one has mentioned it... Security will require that you take the cat out of the carrier, pass the empty carrier thru scanning machine, walk thru the metal detector holding the cat. Assuming nothing goes off, then while you're holding the cat you have to quickly scramble to get the carrier, your shoes, and any other carryon. Then you have to find a place to put your shoes on, and put the cat back in the carrier. For a cat show, doesn't seem worth it... >I might be going to a cat show in Las Vegas with my cat Isis and was >wondering if anyone had any tips on how to travel with her by air. I have [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > to Vegas so I am a bit uneasy. Is air travel better than car travel for a > cat? If so, which airline is the best to travel with a cat? |
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