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Dave - 17 Oct 2004 00:20 GMT
Hello,

Do you all have opinions on types of flooring that work well with cats?  My
carpet is wearing out (it's old anyway), and I would like to replace it with
something different that my cats won't harm (either by clawing or peeing).
Obviously, tile would be a practical solution but it's cold in winter.
Linoleum appearance has improved a lot so that could be a choice, but I'm
not sure I would like it.  I really love the way the laminants look
(imitation hardwood) like Pergo, but a salesman at Lowe's discouraged me
from installing it if I have cats.  He said cat urine would ruin it.

Anyway, what are your experiences with different types of flooring?  Has
anyone had good luck with laminants?

Thanks!
Dave
Mary - 17 Oct 2004 02:06 GMT
>Anyway, what are your experiences with different types of flooring?  Has
>anyone had good luck with laminants?

With tile you have to seal the grout or the urine could get into the grount.
Generally people only seal outdoor tile, not indoor but ask for it.  With wood
laminate any type of fluid will damage it. It will warp, buckle, discolor. Then
you have to cut a section out and repair it and it never looks as good. Real
wood can sometimes warp a little if it gets wet. Linoleum does well. If you get
carpet, get regular medium pile. Low pile shows stains, berber can get shaggy
because of their claws and it shows stains.
Dave - 17 Oct 2004 02:39 GMT
Thanks for your insight on this, Mary.

Dave

> >Anyway, what are your experiences with different types of flooring?  Has
>>anyone had good luck with laminants?
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> shaggy
> because of their claws and it shows stains.
hamandcheese@betweentheknees.com - 17 Oct 2004 03:48 GMT
>With wood
>laminate any type of fluid will damage it. It will warp, buckle, discolor.

Anybody here have actual experience with wood laminates standing up to
hairball fluids? I don't mean sitting for a week but possibly a couple
of hours.

-mhd
Karen Chuplis - 17 Oct 2004 04:14 GMT
on 10/16/04 9:48 PM:

>> With wood
>> laminate any type of fluid will damage it. It will warp, buckle, discolor.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> -mhd

Don't worry. They'll find a rug or cushion somewhere. Maybe a shoe.
hamandcheese@betweentheknees.com - 17 Oct 2004 04:25 GMT
>Don't worry. They'll find a rug or cushion somewhere. Maybe a shoe.

Isn't that the truth! :-)

-mhd
Phil P. - 17 Oct 2004 11:04 GMT
> >With wood
> >laminate any type of fluid will damage it. It will warp, buckle, discolor.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> -mhd

The fluid that usually comes up with hairballs is mostly hydrochloric acid
and pepsin with a pH of about 1-1.8.  Not many surfaces can stand up to
that.

If cat urine with a pH that usually ranges between pH-6 - 6.4, will ruin
laminates, I'm pretty sure the fluid would do would do one helluva job on
it! :->

Phil
Mary - 17 Oct 2004 18:15 GMT
>The fluid that usually comes up with hairballs is mostly hydrochloric acid
>and pepsin with a pH of about 1-1.8.  Not many surfaces can stand up to
>that.

I had a cat that drooled when he was nervous. He'd get 8 inch long hanging
drool things hanging out of each side of his mouth. He'd soak a carrier with
his drool. I took him to the vet in my new 500E Mercedes and he found a way for
the drool to drip out of the carrier as I took him out of the car. It totally
wrecked the wood finish on my console, ate it right away. I was amazed.
hamandcheese@betweentheknees.com - 17 Oct 2004 20:51 GMT
>> Anybody here have actual experience with wood laminates standing up to
>> hairball fluids? I don't mean sitting for a week but possibly a couple
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>laminates, I'm pretty sure the fluid would do would do one helluva job on
>it! :->

Perhaps I'll some wood laminate samples and run some time trials :-)  

-mhd
Mary - 17 Oct 2004 21:06 GMT
> >> Anybody here have actual experience with wood laminates standing up to
> >> hairball fluids? I don't mean sitting for a week but possibly a couple
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> -mhd

Ahaha! I can see you now. You hear the familiar "GACK gack .... GACK!" and
you jump up, tray of samples in hand, "here kitty, no kitty, not there,
HERE."
hamandcheese@betweentheknees.com - 18 Oct 2004 05:08 GMT
>Ahaha! I can see you now. You hear the familiar "GACK gack .... GACK!" and
>you jump up, tray of samples in hand, "here kitty, no kitty, not there,
>HERE."

I'll just stick a plate under his chin. Actually I do try and get a
newspaper there anyway.

sh.t - Bosox tied it up in the ninth.

-mhd
Mary - 18 Oct 2004 14:36 GMT
> >Ahaha! I can see you now. You hear the familiar "GACK gack .... GACK!"
and you jump up, tray of samples in hand, "here kitty, no kitty, not there,
> >HERE."
>
> I'll just stick a plate under his chin. Actually I do try and get a
newspaper there anyway.

Wow, either you are really quick or you have very cooperative cats or both!

> sh.t - Bosox tied it up in the ninth.
>
> -mhd

Not a Bosox fan?
hamandcheese@betweentheknees.com - 18 Oct 2004 18:04 GMT
>> I'll just stick a plate under his chin. Actually I do try and get a
>newspaper there anyway.

>Wow, either you are really quick or you have very cooperative cats or both!

Both my cats make a yak sound for a minute before it comes up. Also
there is usually 2 hurls. My younger guy actually makes a crying sound
before he starts yakking.

>> sh.t - Bosox tied it up in the ninth.
>> -mhd

>Not a Bosox fan?

Nope, but before people start throwing bricks my way, remember I have
2 cats that rely on me to open cans.

-mhd
Mary - 24 Oct 2004 01:43 GMT
> >> I'll just stick a plate under his chin. Actually I do try and get a
newspaper there anyway.

> >Wow, either you are really quick or you have very cooperative cats or both!
>
> Both my cats make a yak sound for a minute before it comes up. Also there
is usually 2 hurls. My younger guy actually makes a crying sound before he
starts yakking.

My old cat used to make a soulful howl before she hurled! It was so sad,
lol! And I think most cats must yak in two installments. But mine pretty
much cough the first batch up within ten seconds or so.

> >> sh.t - Bosox tied it up in the ninth.
> >> -mhd
>
> >Not a Bosox fan?
>
> Nope, but before people start throwing bricks my way, remember I have 2
cats that rely on me to open cans.

I can do you one better--I don't give a crap about any team, any sport. I'm
missing the chromosome for it or something.
Diane L. Schirf - 24 Oct 2004 13:58 GMT
> My old cat used to make a soulful howl before she hurled! It was so sad,
> lol!

Both my cats (the late Pudge and the current Hodge) have done this. It
does sound painful, and I've never seen their expression because they
were always in another room, or it woke me up. But immediately after
hurling they both would be all perky and happy.

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Mary - 24 Oct 2004 17:06 GMT
> > My old cat used to make a soulful howl before she hurled! It was so sad,
> > lol!
>
> Both my cats (the late Pudge and the current Hodge) have done this. It
does sound painful, and I've never seen their expression because they were
always in another room, or it woke me up.

It is the wide-eyed OHHHH NOOOO! expression!

But immediately after  hurling they both would be all perky and happy.

Mine too. In fact, I feel pretty good after hurling on the few occasions
that I feel the need. :)
Lana - 19 Oct 2004 00:29 GMT
>>Ahaha! I can see you now. You hear the familiar "GACK gack .... GACK!" and
>>you jump up, tray of samples in hand, "here kitty, no kitty, not there,
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>-mhd

I have laminate flooring in my entire house.  I have three
cats, none have peed on the floors, but there's been throw
up, and I'm gone 13 hours a day.  I LOVE this floor, you
can hardly damage it.  Mine is quick step www.quickstep.com.
It's really thick, has a great warranty and was a much
better price than Pergo.  I emailed them about the moisture,
the reply was that the main thing is not let it get around
the edges, like in baths or kitchens be sure to caulk well
around the perimeter of the room.
I have pictures of mine if you'd like one email me!
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J1Boss - 17 Oct 2004 22:53 GMT
>Anybody here have actual experience with wood laminates standing up to
>hairball fluids? I don't mean sitting for a week but possibly a couple
>of hours.
>
>-mhd

I;ve had over 900 sq ft of Pergo for 6 years now.  It has been barfed on, peed
on, pooped on, and some in great volume or gone unnoticed for quite sometime.
NO DAMAGE has been done to this floor as a result.  

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Phil P. - 18 Oct 2004 00:20 GMT
> >Anybody here have actual experience with wood laminates standing up to
> >hairball fluids? I don't mean sitting for a week but possibly a couple
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> I;ve had over 900 sq ft of Pergo for 6 years now.  It has been barfed on, peed
> on, pooped on, and some in great volume or gone unnoticed for quite sometime.

He meant by cats..
hamandcheese@betweentheknees.com - 18 Oct 2004 05:10 GMT
>I;ve had over 900 sq ft of Pergo for 6 years now.  It has been barfed on, peed
>on, pooped on, and some in great volume or gone unnoticed for quite sometime.
>NO DAMAGE has been done to this floor as a result.

I'll have to see what Pergo is finished with. Thanks for the info.

-mhd
Rene - 18 Oct 2004 20:43 GMT
> >Anyway, what are your experiences with different types of flooring?  Has
> >anyone had good luck with laminants?
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> carpet, get regular medium pile. Low pile shows stains, berber can get shaggy
> because of their claws and it shows stains.

Sealing the grout isn't a big deal. You can do it yourself cheaply (I
did it myself in the bathroom, and I'm no handy-woman). But I do agree
it could be a concern if it wasn't sealed--PU!

As for laminate, I agree that it warps easily. My parents installed it
in their utility room. It's only a few years old and has warped
horribly.

Perhaps tile and you could get a small fuzzy area rug to place where
you sit to keep your feet warm?

Rene
J1Boss - 18 Oct 2004 22:15 GMT
rene writes:

>As for laminate, I agree that it warps easily. My parents installed it
>in their utility room. It's only a few years old and has warped
>horribly.

Sounds like there isn't adequate moisture barrier/pad.  Mine has been over
asphalt tile on a concrete slab for 6 years and has not been damaged.

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http://photos.yahoo.com/bestfriendsobedience
Angela St.Aubin - 17 Oct 2004 02:46 GMT
> Hello,
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Thanks!
> Dave

Im not sure exactly what the stuff i have is called, it looks like fake
tile, but is like plastic, with no seams, and at urine, puke etc, doesn't
damage it at all.
Judy - 17 Oct 2004 04:10 GMT
> Hello,
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Thanks!
> Dave

Just curious, have you determined why your cats claw and pee
inappropriately?

Changing the flooring won't resolve the issue.

Have you spent any time with your cats when it comes to clawing? Have they
seen by a vet in attempt to determine why they pee on the floor? If not, it
might behove you to do so.
Cathy Friedmann - 17 Oct 2004 06:01 GMT
> Hello,
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Thanks!
> Dave

I have hardwood floors - oak, but installing that now would be mega pricey
(this house was built in '20, so I lucked out in that regard).  The cats
don't even begin to make any impression in any way on the hardwood, though.
Granted, no peeing probs here, but the sealant would probably pretty much
take care of that if there were, I assume.  Have no clue if Pergo - or
similar - would work as well, re: cats.  (Otoh, if a salesman says cat urine
would wreck it, then it most likely would - considering they're out to make
a sale, not prevent a sale!)

Cathy
Mary - 17 Oct 2004 17:53 GMT
"Cathy Friedmann" <clfr@adelphia.net> wrote >
> I have hardwood floors - oak, but installing that now would be mega pricey
(this house was built in '20, so I lucked out in that regard).  The cats
don't even begin to make any impression in any way on the hardwood, though.
Granted, no peeing probs here, but the sealant would probably pretty much
take care of that if there were, I assume.  Have no clue if Pergo - or
similar - would work as well, re: cats.  (Otoh, if a salesman says cat urine
would wreck it, then it most likely would - considering they're out to make
a sale, not prevent a sale!)

> Cathy

Just wanted to add that I also have hardwood floors with a good finish on
them and have np problems.
Dick Peavey - 17 Oct 2004 13:27 GMT
> Hello,
>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Thanks!
> Dave

Cats are a consideration, of course, but your own health is too. Get rid
of the carpets. They collect dirt, dander, pollens, cigarette tars,
molds, and anything harmful to your lungs. The trouble is, the harm is
pernicious. You're not aware of it, and it doesn't show up for years.
There isn't a lung doctor I've been to who isn't relieved when I tell
him we replaced all our carpeting with tile.

By the same token, these lung irritants may be harmful to your pets. I'm
not sure of that because I've only just begun keeping a cat, so I'm not
up on it.

--
Dick
Suzie-Q - 17 Oct 2004 23:47 GMT
-> Hello,
->
-> Do you all have opinions on types of flooring that work well with cats?  My
-> carpet is wearing out (it's old anyway), and I would like to replace it with
-> something different that my cats won't harm (either by clawing or peeing).
-> Obviously, tile would be a practical solution but it's cold in winter.
-> Linoleum appearance has improved a lot so that could be a choice, but I'm
-> not sure I would like it.  I really love the way the laminants look
-> (imitation hardwood) like Pergo, but a salesman at Lowe's discouraged me
-> from installing it if I have cats.  He said cat urine would ruin it.
->
-> Anyway, what are your experiences with different types of flooring?  Has
-> anyone had good luck with laminants?

No experience to relate, but I have been thinking a lot about
floor coverings and pets lately. I've pretty much decided on
vinyl floor covering with area carpets. The vinyl will withstand
the damage you mention while the area carpets, if damaged too
severly, can be replaced.

(I will get vinyl that looks like wood or stone so that it looks
good in the bedrooms and living room. And people will have to look
closely to see that it's not real wood or stone.)
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beth - 18 Oct 2004 00:16 GMT
> Hello,
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Thanks!
> Dave

I have a pergo floor in my upstairs hallway.  It gets plenty of
hairball action and has not been affected.  This floor has not been
peed on,but my hardwood floor has.  No problem if you wipe it up
quickly.  But, if you wait or just don't know it was there, it can
mess up the floor pretty badly.
M. MacDonald - 19 Oct 2004 16:41 GMT
Parents have it (Prego).  It is very nosiy in that you can hear a dog or cat
walk on it from another room.  Sort of like a snare drum with their nails.

The dogs they had never did damage to the floor other than shedding but a
Swifter took quick care of that.  As they passed on, they replaced their
dogs with a supposedly lower-maintenance (?!?) pair of kittens.  They
managed to wet the corners and the particle board beneath the laminate
swelled and buckled the floor around the edges.  The wooden edge molding was
pretty much discolored too.  It may be a water-based glue in the particle
board that was attacked.  They were told "not to wet-mop the floor, only
dust and spot clean it" by the installers.  Seems their kitties had another
idea as to what it should look like....

Still, I wouldn't have it as it was "very" noisey - even without animals!
They installed throw rugs all over the floor to quiet it down too.  It was
installed over some plastic vapor barrier and felt material, but it still
wasn't a quiet floor.  Nice that it could be Swiftered quickly though.

Mack
 
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