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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / October 2004Tigger Just Died of Uremia
My precious Tigger just died of uremia yesterday, and I have terrible guilt feelings about it. He was a 7-year old Tom cat (gray w/ stripes). He had FUS back in 2000. I gave him Control Formula cat food which cleared it up in 3 weeks. Nobody counseled me on future feeding, and I thought he was cured. Switched him back to regular food. Two months ago, (Aug 2004), he started getting blood in the urine again. I put him back on low-magnesium food (Friskies & Purina brands from store), which helped some but he still had some blood in his urine. I came home last Wednesday, and he had bled all over the living room. I rushed him to the vet here in Dallas. The vet said he was not blocked, and would keep him overnight for observation & urine sample. In 24 hours at the vet, my cat never drank or urinated, so they had to use a needle to extract a urine sample. They had me pick him up on Thursday evening. From Thursday thru Saturday evening, he never touched any food or water, never stepped into the litter box. He stayed off in a remote room and yowled. I thought he was depressed - I had no idea that he was blocked. By Sunday morning, he was in extreme misery and looked it. I rushed him to the Emergency Animal clinic, but it was too late. His body temperature was 91 degrees, and he died before they could even begin recovery procedures. I'm very angry with the Vet, contemplating filing a complaint. I think my cat was blocked when i first took him in. Am also just consumed with guilt and sadness, that I put Tigger thru so much pain. Has anyone else experienced anything like this? This is my second tom cat that's died of something unexpected. I'm really hurting over it. > My precious Tigger just died of uremia yesterday, and I have terrible > guilt feelings about it. He was a 7-year old Tom cat (gray w/ [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > tom cat that's died of something unexpected. I'm really hurting over > it. I'm sorry. :-( The part I don't understand is why they had you bring him home, after he hadn't had anything to drink nor had peed during the 24 hours he was at the vet. To me, that - coupled w/ the symptoms he had when you brought him in, seems to have indicated a major problem. Cathy >> My precious Tigger just died of uremia yesterday, and I have terrible >> guilt feelings about it. He was a 7-year old Tom cat (gray w/ [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Cathy Same here. I don't understand why he was sent home. I'm so sorry :((( << My precious Tigger just died of uremia yesterday, and I have terrible guilt feelings about it. >> I'm very sorry. It will take some time to get over this, I'm afraid. I would report to the vet to the vet board and anyone else you can think of, even though it won't help Tigger. Once again, I'm truly sorry for you and Tigger. Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail) See my cats: http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace "One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other than human." (Loren Eisely) > I'm very angry with the Vet, contemplating filing a complaint. I > think my cat was blocked when i first took him in. Am also just > consumed with guilt and sadness, that I put Tigger thru so much pain. > Has anyone else experienced anything like this? This is my second > tom cat that's died of something unexpected. I'm really hurting over > it. I'm very sorry to hear about your cat. IMO the vet should not have released him until he was stabilized - should not have released him while he still wasn't eating, drinking or urinating. I think you're right - your cat probably had a partial obstruction that became a complete obstruction. The male's urethra is shaped like a funnel where it passes over the pelvis. A partial obstruction further narrows the urethra so it can trap smaller crystals and debris until a complete obstruction occurs. The bleeding could have been caused by lower urinary mucosal inflammation and/or irritation from crystals, or tearing of the bladder mucosa from straining to urinate or from overdistention of the bladder - The latter is common in males with urethral obstruction. IOW, a male cat with blood that is not urinating and has blood in his urine should be treated as a urologic emergency. Your vet should have taken x-rays to look for uroliths or tumors. At the very least, the vet should have removed as much urine as possible from the bladder while he was collecting the sample. Sometimes catheterization will dislodge an obstruction From when you first brought your cat to the vet on Wednesday, till today, the vet had plenty of time to diagnose the problem and probably avert your cat's death. Accounts like these really upset me. My condolences, Phil >I'm very angry with the Vet, contemplating filing a complaint. I >think my cat was blocked when i first took him in. Am also just >consumed with guilt and sadness, that I put Tigger thru so much pain. > Has anyone else experienced anything like this? This is my second >tom cat that's died of something unexpected. I'm really hurting over >it. Losing a cat unexpectedly is always very shocking. I was walking around in a stupor when my cat died within three days. They said he was fine first time I took him in, then the next day when I brought him back. Finally the night vet that evening saw the fatal stomach cancer and I ended his suffering the next morning. By then he looked and felt horrible. I've had male cats get blocked. They squat and try to pee right in front of you, generally not in the box, just a little may come out with blood. I heard that they can die within 24 hours if they get toxic so I always rush them to the vet instantly if they strain, leave tiny piddles or yowl. I agree that your cat was probably blocked earlier. With blocked baby squirrels they don't want to drink anything and of course don't pee. They sit and strain anywhere. You shouldn't feel guilty. You took him to the vet, followed his advice. If I were you, I'd take a few days to mourn your cats death and take care of yourself. Then run through the events again and see if you should file a complaint. I'll keep you and your kitty in my prayers. > You shouldn't feel guilty. You took him to the vet, followed his advice. If I > were you, I'd take a few days to mourn your cats death and take care of > yourself. Then run through the events again and see if you should file a > complaint. I'll keep you and your kitty in my prayers. I'd like to thank everyone for their kind responses. I still have a female, calico cat who is great company; will probably just remain just a one-cat household for a year or so. I had another tom cat a few years ago, Smokey, and he died of peritonitis. He was an outdoor cat and I figured he picked it up from another cat. Tigger was an indoor cat and I figured he was totally safe. Little did I imagine that the wrong cat food could kill him. May get another tom down the road -- and this time -- he will be indoors, and he will be switched permanently to a moist, low-magnesium diet if he ever shows signs of FUS. I learn things slowly, and the very hard way, but i learn. thanks everyone, RR > You shouldn't feel guilty. You took him to the vet, followed his advice. If I > were you, I'd take a few days to mourn your cats death and take care of > yourself. Then run through the events again and see if you should file a > complaint. I'll keep you and your kitty in my prayers. I agree with Mary here. Take care of yourself--and your remaining kitty--and then reconsider about filing a complaint. HUGS are coming your way. I'm sure Tigger knew you loved him. Rene > You shouldn't feel guilty. You took him to the vet, followed his advice. If I > were you, I'd take a few days to mourn your cats death and take care of > yourself. Then run through the events again and see if you should file a > complaint. I'll keep you and your kitty in my prayers. I agree with Mary here. Take care of yourself--and your remaining kitty--and then reconsider about filing a complaint. HUGS are coming your way. I'm sure Tigger knew you loved him. Rene >You shouldn't feel guilty. It always amazes me how the obvious can be right in front of someone and they don't see it. Maybe you need to read that post again. Here's your first clue: "Two months ago, (Aug 2004), he started getting blood in the urine again. I put him back on low-magnesium food (Friskies & Purina brands from store), which helped some but he still had some blood in his urine." Again: "still had some blood in his urine." He first took the cat to the vet October 6, and only did so AFTER the cat bled all over, which means the untreated UTI had gone from bad to worse. This poor cat went untreated for TWO MONTHS. The owner *knew* Tigger had blood in his urine for TWO MONTHS, yet he did nothing. He *should* feel guilty and does not deserve one iota of sympathy. What he does deserve is a one way ticket straight to hell. Megan  Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray > My precious Tigger just died of uremia > yesterday, and I have terrible guilt > feelings about it. You should. Your poor cat died a horrible death that could have been prevented if you had gotten him the vet care he so OBVIOUSLY needed and should have had. >He was a 7-year old > Tom cat (gray w/ stripes). [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > store), which helped some but he still > had some blood in his urine. Yet you didn't take him to the vet. He had blood in his urine, and you decided feeding Friskies was the answer rather than getting him appropriate treatment. This is inexcusable. > I came home last Wednesday, and he had > bled all over the living room. I rushed > him to the vet here in Dallas. So it took him bleeding all over your residence in order for you to finally bring him to the vet? This is just as inexcusable. >The vet > said he was not blocked, and would keep [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > They had me pick him up on Thursday > evening. He obviously had urinated before you took him to the vet as evidenced by blood all over, but if he did not urinate for 24 hours while confined to a cage at the vets office, and they had to extract urine via a needle, it was obvious he became blocked while there. I can't imagine that any vet would not know this as this is as basic as it gets. From your obvious unwillingness to take your cat to the vet to begin with, I don't believe they sent him home like this and am more inclined to believe that you didn't want to spend the money to have him catheterized, etc. and thought you could take him home and see if he got better. We're only hearing your side of the story, and AFAIC it's bogus. >From Thursday thru Saturday > evening, he never touched any food or > water, never stepped into the litter > box. This was an OBVIOUS sign that he was in trouble, yet you did nothing. >He stayed off in a remote room and > yowled. I thought he was depressed - I > had no idea that he was blocked. You honestly believe a cat yowling constantly, when he's already obviously sick, is depression? You knew he was at risk for blocking, yet you did nothing but listen to him screaming in pain. Yet it never occurred to you to make a simple phone call to the vet and describe what was going on. I'm ill just imagining what it must have been like for this poor cat. >By > Sunday morning, he was in extreme misery [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > degrees, and he died before they could > even begin recovery procedures. If he was this bad, you waited until *the very last minute* and he had probably already lost his ability to walk before you took him in. This is beyond neglect. > I'm very angry with the Vet, > contemplating filing a complaint. The vet isn't the problem here, and AFAIC they probably told you he needed to be there and now you're blaming them because they couldn't convince you to keep him there longer. >I > think my cat was blocked when i first > took him in. Then why didn't you advocate for him? Why didn't you think about this when he was at home suffering and crying out for help which you did not give? If you *knew* he was blocked why did you wait for THREE DAYS to do anything when you admittedly knew he wasn't urinating????? THREE DAYS WITHOUT URINATING. It doesn't get more obvious than that. >Am also just consumed with > guilt and sadness, that I put Tigger > thru so much pain. And you should be. You allowed your cat to die a horrible, torturous, miserable, painful death and there is no excuse for this kind of neglect. I see you're getting the usual "I'm so sorry for your loss" responses, but most people here typically don't really pay attention to what is written in posts and often miss obvious clues that tell a different story from the one the writer intends. > Has anyone else experienced anything > like this? Probably, but fortunately most of us, when faced with such a situation, take our cats to the vet, or at least call them. You certainly knew enough about this newsgroup to post looking for sympathy and a free pass, but apparently you couldn't post Thursday or Friday or Saturday asking for opinions or advice. In fact, you din't bother to call the vet either. One simple phone call could have saved your cats life. >This is my second tom cat > that's died of something unexpected. Free clue: Don't get anymore cats. EVER. >I'm really hurting over it. And you should, but it will never make up for what you did to your cat, and you won't suffer nearly as much as he did. You deserve much worse. Megan (sickened and disgusted) Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray > > My precious Tigger just died of uremia > > yesterday, and I have terrible guilt [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > prevented if you had gotten him the vet care he so OBVIOUSLY needed and > should have had. As usual, a little salt in the wound from the Meganizer... > >He was a 7-year old > > Tom cat (gray w/ stripes). [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > appropriate treatment. > This is inexcusable. S/he said "some blood" - the change in food cleared it up before, and it isn't that far out to think a change in diet might improve it again, if one is inexperienced in cat care. > > I came home last Wednesday, and he had > > bled all over the living room. I rushed > > him to the vet here in Dallas. > > So it took him bleeding all over your residence in order for you to > finally bring him to the vet? This is just as inexcusable. The cat may have seemed fine in the AM and by the time the OP came home, things were out of hand. UTIs and blockages can go from bad to horrible in a matter of a few hours, and if you aren't home to catch it, I can see how this could easily happen. > >The vet > > said he was not blocked, and would keep [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > it was obvious he became blocked while there. I can't imagine that any > vet would not know this as this is as basic as it gets. I can't either and the fault lies with the vet - whom the OP trusted. > From your > obvious unwillingness to take your cat to the vet to begin with, I don't > believe they sent him home like this and am more inclined to believe > that you didn't want to spend the money to have him catheterized, etc. > and thought you could take him home and see if he got better. We're only > hearing your side of the story, and AFAIC it's bogus. You're so out of line, Megan, it's ridiculous. > >From Thursday thru Saturday > > evening, he never touched any food or [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > was going on. I'm ill just imagining what it must have been like for > this poor cat. Not everybody has an extensive knowledge of cats, Megan. Sheesh! > >By > > Sunday morning, he was in extreme misery [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > If he was this bad, you waited until *the very last minute* and he had > probably already lost his ability to walk before you took him in. And now you're psychic to boot! > This > is beyond neglect. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > needed to be there and now you're blaming them because they couldn't > convince you to keep him there longer. You don't know that. > >I > > think my cat was blocked when i first [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > anything when you admittedly knew he wasn't urinating????? THREE DAYS > WITHOUT URINATING. It doesn't get more obvious than that. Again, the OP trusted the vet - and is obviously uneducated in cat care. Have you ever been at the mercy of a medical professional? Have you ever suffered malpractice? If you had, you might have a little more compassion for the OP. Not everybody is a cat expert, Megan, NOT EVEN YOU. So get off your holier-than-thou pedestal and quit reaming this person for what you THINK actually happened. You don't know what happened - none of us do. The cat is dead - partially because of an uneducated owner -=partially because the vet made a bad call. No need to make it worse by reaming him/her a new a.shole and making her/him feel worse. > >Am also just consumed with > > guilt and sadness, that I put Tigger [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > what is written in posts and often miss obvious clues that tell a > different story from the one the writer intends. And you are the all-knowing-all-seeing psychic Megan who has an answer for everything, eh? YOU make me sick and disgusted - much more sick than an uneducated owner. Look in the f.cking mirror for once and grow a f.cking heart - one that has compassion for HUMANS. The OP doesn't deserve this kind of treatment. Nobody does. I don't know why you insist on doing this type of thing time and time again. It serves no purpose except, perhaps, to make yourself feel better. -L. <snipped rest of nasty rant Lyn, FOAD. I'm not surprised to see you defending this idiot as you've defended people that have neglected animals in the past, even when it was obvious that the animal was made to suffer. The cat had bloody urine for TWO MONTHS before he took it it a vet, but I guess according to you that's just fine and dandy. He didn't even bother to call the vet in the THREE DAYS that the cat didn't urinate and was yowling in pain. There is so much that was obvious neglect and this cat suffered unnecessarily and was, in effect, tortured. And apparently that's ok with you. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray > Lyn, > FOAD. I'm not surprised to see you defending this idiot as you've > defended people that have neglected animals in the past, Nope. I argued with you in *one other* instance where you again went off half-cocked without knowing all of the story behind what was posted. I dared <gasp> to suggest that maybe you were being reactionary - that you needed more data to come to the conclusions you had drawn. You of course infate this into me "defending people that have neglected animals in the past". even when it > was obvious that the animal was made to suffer. The cat had bloody urine > for TWO MONTHS before he took it it a vet, but I guess according to you > that's just fine and dandy. He didn't even bother to call the vet in the > THREE DAYS that the cat didn't urinate and was yowling in pain. There is > so much that was obvious neglect Obvious to you and I, but maybe not to one inexperienced in cat care and behavior. That's the crux of my argument. >and this cat suffered unnecessarily and > was, in effect, tortured. And apparently that's ok with you. Again, you jump to conclusions where there is no validity - just because I say this person may not have been as educated as you, that proves that I think not attending to the cat's medical needs was ok? Absolutely not. there's a big difference in our approaches - I respond and educate; you react, annihilate and alienate. What purpose do you intend by virtually ripping this guy a new a.shole and spewing hatred and death? What does that serve? He doesn't learn anything, and you come off as a rabid, maniacal bitch frothing at the mouth. The poor cat is still dead an nobody learned anything. The message might be much better received were you to take a step back and explain what was missed - that yowling is a sign of pain; that a cat that is not eating, drinking or urinating needs immediate vet care; that any blood in the urine warrants a trip to the vet. think about it. Yes, it's elementary for most people. But obviously not everyone has the same level of intelligence, ability, education or experience. And that's the *exact* same argument I had with you before. As for the FOAD comment, I'm sad to see you have denegrated yourself to the level of Mary. Honestly, Megan, you're better than that. Buh-bye. -L. Lyn wrote: >I argued with you in *one other* instance >where you again went off half-cocked >without knowing all of the story behind >what was posted. This is a lie. I knew exactly what was going on as I had dealt with that poster previously. You, OTOH, spent the majority of your posts making excuses for the woman egregiously neglecting her cat, and did so to the point of ridiculousness, which was commented on by others. And here you are again, doing the same. This goes far beyond the OP not being "educated." Even a moron knows that blood in the urine is a problem, he admitted he knew it was a problem and yet he let it go on for TWO MONTHS and ONLY took the cat to the vet after it bled all over his house. He let the cat go without urinating for THREE DAYS, yet didn't even pick up the phone to call the vet. He knew about this group but he didn't bother to post here either until he came looking for sympathy .If you want to remain stupid and blind and continue to make excuses for this idiot and justify the neglect and torture this cat suffered, that's your thing. AFAIC, there is NO excuse for what happened to this cat, and I am totally justified in expressing my outrage. You don't like it? Tough sh.t. It's Usenet. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray > Lyn wrote: > >I argued with you in *one other* instance [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > the phone to call the vet. He knew about this group but he didn't bother > to post here either until he came looking for sympathy .If you want to remain stupid and blind and continue to make excuses for this idiot and justify the neglect and torture this cat suffered, that's your thing. AFAIC, there is NO excuse for what happened to this cat, and I am totally justified in expressing my outrage. You don't like it? Tough sh.t. It's Usenet. > Megan And yet, when Lynnie jumped on me for expressing my outrage you joined right in. You people are funny to watch. >And yet, when Lynnie jumped on me for >expressing my outrage you joined right in. In what thread? Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray > >And yet, when Lynnie jumped on me for > >expressing my outrage you joined right in. > > In what thread? > > Megan It was a long time ago, Megan. The big "gang bang," when several people jumped on me and you chimed in, Kelly H. did, and the Charming Lyn. It's not worth the time it would take to Google. >It was a long time ago, Megan. The big >"gang bang," when several people jumped >on me and you chimed in, Kelly H. did, >and the Charming Lyn. It's not worth the >time it would take to Google. Uh huh. So in other words you're lying. Don't make accusations about past deeds unless you are prepared to back them up. You're beyond lame. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray > >It was a long time ago, Megan. The big > >"gang bang," when several people jumped [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Megan People here remember, you a.shole. That you don't amuses me. Your self-righteous hypocrisy knows no bounds. You have a head like a f.cking rock. HAND. >People here remember, you a.shole. >That you don't amuses me. Your >self-righteous hypocrisy knows no bounds. >You have a head like a f.cking rock. >HAND. So in other words, you're lying and you can't back up what you say. Okey dokey. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray >>Yet you didn't take him to the vet. He had blood in his urine, and you >>decided feeding Friskies was the answer rather than getting him [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > it isn't that far out to think a change in diet might improve it > again, if one is inexperienced in cat care. I am sorry for the OP's and their cat for what they went through but part of the blame belongs on the OP for their lack of proper action, and I quote "Two months ago, (Aug 2004), he started getting blood in the urine again." When this happened they should have taken him to the vet. But what did they do? Quoting them again: "I put him back on low-magnesium food (Friskies & Purina brands from store), which helped some but he still had some blood in his urine." Which didn't really help that much. After this they should have again went to the vet. But they waited who knows how long until it was critical and a very dire emergency - more then it was when it started back in August. This could have been resolved by the vet two months ago and their cat would most likely still be alive. But who knows? At least they supposedly learned from it - but too little too late for poor Tigger. st > My precious Tigger just died of uremia yesterday, and I have terrible > guilt feelings about it. He was a 7-year old Tom cat (gray w/ [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > tom cat that's died of something unexpected. I'm really hurting over > it. I'm sorry for what happened to your cat but he is in a better place now and in no pain. Allow yourself some to grieve. But at least you learned something from it which is a good thing. |
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