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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / October 2004I went to the cat show at the Garden (plus Cloning rant)
The cat show was at Madison Square Garden this year and we went. Lots of weird looking cats. We sat though the judging of the Best Kitten Of Show. Apparently 4 months to 8 months old. Thus many types were represented instead of one of the Best Of Breed judgings. I was rooting for the Maine Coon but he came in 8th out of the 15. A hairless ratty looking one came in second. Lots of wrinkles said the judge. First place was that type with the pushed in face, Persian. I think they look strange and not altogether happy. No offense to Persian lovers intended. I felt somewhat out of place since I really prefer my mutts and think that they are cuter than almost all of the purebreds. But I did like the Norwegian Forest Cats and the Maine Coons. I'm sort of partial to the MCs because my Nipsy seems to have an awful lot of MC in him. One of them looked like a small freight train. Twenty-six pounds and not overweight. Quite a good variety of stuff for free (signed TShirt by some famous Cat artist, IAMS, MeowMix, LitterBox de-scenter) plus stuff to buy (my cats do love that Cat Caviar made from Bonita). I'll keep the MeowMix for a treat, wouldn't want to feed that as a normal diet! There was an exhibit of cloned cats, numbers two and three in the world. Both from the same "parent". They did look identical. They were presented on the hour for ten minutes and we walked in just at 4pm so got the whole lecture. I asked about complications from mitochondria DNA but they said that they hadn't detected any problems. Mitochondria DNA is inherited only from the mother and is not replaced by just de-nucleating the cell. Time will tell. I don't like the whole idea of cloning cats. The clone may be genetically identical but is not going to have the same behavior. Too many other factors such as hormones and environment are involved. Plus, there are SO many cats that need a home it just seems absurd to duplicate one. Still, I would have done it to get another Nico if it didn't cost too much. Oh well. I have Nipsy, Espy, and Jackie instead of Nico2. I heard this morning on the radio that ten people had placed clone orders. No price was given during the show for actually making the clone, but a brochure had prices of $800-$1300 for saving the DNA, plus a $100 per year storage free. The 800-1300 depended on the condition of your cat. Apparently healthy ones are 800, dead ones are 1300. Not clear on whether it can be done post-cremation :-) I'd guess the real charge is $100,000 or so but I really don't know. Don't quote me. DOG LOVERS! They said they should be able to do dogs in a year or two. They haven't quite gotten the bone burying thing down yet. Oddly enough, juxtaposed to the Cloning Department (downstairs from the main event) was the Adopt-A-Thon. Out of guilt I guess. Many people were leaving with absolutely free lovable furkids rather than placing orders for clones or buying the purebreds. Cardboard carrier after cardboard carrier were seen leaving the scene. Thus ends my report on the Cat Show. > Thus ends my report on the Cat Show. It sounds like fun, although I sympathize with your feelings, both about preferring mutts and about cloning. All the pets I've had as an adult have been mutts, although my childhood pets were all "purebred," go figure (my mother preferred purebreds). Cloning's just creepy. Wouldn't one get caught in a weird, unnatural sort of time warp or something?... I'm imagining clone after clone of my first cats, never really completely mourning their loss or differentiating them from their successors, never having completely new relationships with completely new cats -- it would just be too weird. --Catherine & Rosalie the one-of-a-kind calicohead > The cat show was at Madison Square Garden this year and we went. Lots > of weird looking cats. We sat though the judging of the Best Kitten Of [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > I'd guess the real charge is $100,000 or so but I really don't know. > Don't quote me. I saw them on the Morning Show this week. I think they said it was around 10,000. They cannot clone dogs yet. Said they are the most difficult, more difficult than even humans. Nope, I'm not a fan of it either. Not when I see kittens and cats being given up every where :( >From: Karen Chuplis kchuplis@alltel.net >I saw them on the Morning Show this week. I think they said it was around >10,000. Just think what $10,000 would do if it were donated to a shelter instead. ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecatjournal.com/articles/claws.htm >Just think what $10,000 would do if it were donated to a shelter instead. The cloning companies do donate to shelters. How did the Bombays do? I absolutely love those cats and am lucky enough to have one with Isis. Of course I now have a Japanese Bobtail as well which are neat cats but they can be vocal and outspoken. Did they show the household cats (HHP Category)? As for the cloning portion, I think this only adds to the overpopulation problem. I have to wonder why people would want cloned cats when there are so many cats that are awaiting adoption at shelters. As for the adoption even as part of the cat show, that seems to be the norm but I am a bit skeptical about the free cat part since some cats could end up in the hands of potential animal abusers. What organization had the cats for adoption? For those who have never been to a cat show, it is a great experience. You meet lots of cat lovers and find out a lot of information about certain breeds. The HHP category is a great way to show off your cat. The first time I attended a cat show was almost 2 years ago and it was nice experience. I got to show off Isis in Jade as an exhibiter in the Education Ring. The last show I was at I competed in the HHP category with Isis. She did well up until the 4th ring when a cat that was not supposed to benched next to her took a swipe at one of the judges which set her off hissing and spitting. The next day she was a bit calmer and finished the show ok. This weekend I am going to my third show with Icarus. I think he'll do ok considering he is still in the kitten stage. The thing about the HHP category is that the judges really don't say anything about the cats. All of the cats usually get a Merit Award and most get ribbons depending on how many are entered. The one thing to remember also is that the shows are usually non-vetted shows so if you intend on showing off your cat make sure they are up to date on shots. Rabies and FVRCPC (4 in 1) shots should be sufficient. One also has to remember that at a cat show, never touch the cats unless given permission by their humans. A lot of the felines have been bathed and groomed for the show. It is also to prevent the spread of germs from cat to cat which is why you will see the judges disinfecting their hands after handling each cat. They also will wipe off the show platform (where the judge examines the cat being shown) with disinfectant as well after each cat has been on it. They also wipe down the cages after each cat in the ring as well when each showing is done. Another thing is taking pictures. While a lot of the shows allow you take pictures, it is better to ask the cat's human if you can take a picture especially if you are going to get up close with a flash. Some cats can get awfully nervous as result. Another thing you might see and hear at a cat show is when someone yells "Cat Out!" You'll see people scrambling to close the exhibit hall doors while the cat's human tries to catch the escaping cat. I have seen only a couple of times where a cat got out of his or her cage but they are usually safely caught and returned. It is all a part of the excitement of the cat show but I'd say going to one as a spectator is a nice experience. It is even better when you are showing a cat.  SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > The cat show was at Madison Square Garden this year and we went. Lots > of weird looking cats. We sat though the judging of the Best Kitten Of [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > Thus ends my report on the Cat Show. >For those who have never been to a cat show, it is a great experience. You >meet lots of cat lovers and find out a lot of information about certain >breeds. Cat shows are okay, but I didn't care much for them. I found all but a handful of owners to be snooty and pretentious, and I couldn't really talk to them because it was like talking to someone from another planet--that's how different our basic beliefs were. Points for having great vendors. I spent a bundle on unusual cat toys and products. Points for allowing local rescue org.'s to have one area of cages for an adopt-a-thon and passing out literature. Points *off* to a few people who showed their cats in HHP. Some people don't understand that having a beautiful cat isn't sufficient reason to show it. The cats have to be well-socialized and accustomed to outings, or they're miserable. The one person in particular showing in HHP I wanted to smack was a woman who had "Beanie Baby Cattery" on her cage. Had cards printed, kittens available to sell, the whole nine yards, just like the regular breeders. Only they were moggies. She was nothing more than a collector, and she got a forum to show it off??? LIke I heard some comedian say recently, "I had the right to remain silent, but I lacked the ability." Sherry Sherry << Cat shows are okay, but I didn't care much for them. I found all but a handful of owners to be snooty and pretentious, and I couldn't really talk to them because it was like talking to someone from another planet--that's how different our basic beliefs were >> I've never been to a cat show probably because I have been to dog shows and those things were insufferable. I used to have a friend many, many years ago who showed Afghans and I went with her a few times. The owners and handlers were about the most disgusting, despicable, shallow, mean-spirited people I've ever met. Plus it was unspeakably boooooring. Have you ever seen "Best of Show"? Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail) See my cats: http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace "One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other than human." (Loren Eisely) You meet a lot of friendly people at cat shows. Yes there are a few stuck up people at the cat shows which wouldn't sooner give you the time of day but generally the shows are a pleasent experience. The HHP category is really cool because everyone roots for the cats. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > I've never been to a cat show probably because I have been to dog shows > and [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > other > than human." (Loren Eisely) ><< Cat shows are okay, but I didn't care much for them. I found all but a >handful [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Candace No, I haven't! Do tell. :-) I got drug to the cat shows because my daughter was showing her cat. (Yes, I know, I know..... ) The other thing I forgot to mention is, that it *was* a chance to see the purebred cats like Bengals, Scottish Folds that I'd only seen in books before. But all in all, I wouldn't go again probably. I still hated to see the poor household cats that were cowering in their cages, because they were afraid. People ought not to show cats unless the cat likes it and is used to being taken out. Sherry << >Have you ever seen "Best of Show"? >Candace No, I haven't! Do tell. :-) >> Oh, rent it, it's by the people who did "Spinal Tap," "A Mighty Wind," etc. The old Second City group. Very funny. A satire on a dog show. Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail) See my cats: http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace "One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other than human." (Loren Eisely) > << >Have you ever seen "Best of Show"? > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Oh, rent it, it's by the people who did "Spinal Tap," "A Mighty Wind," etc. > The old Second City group. Very funny. A satire on a dog show. Yes, do. It's a total waste of time, but a very funny one. Signaturehttp://www.mindspring.com/~slywy/ >I've never been to a cat show probably because I have been to dog shows and >those things were insufferable. I used to have a friend many, many years ago [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Have you ever seen "Best of Show"? Yes, and I've been to plenty of cat shows. Cat shows have very little in common with dog shows, so don't assume that because you dislike dog shows you would also dislike cat shows. >How did the Bombays do? I absolutely love those cats and am lucky enough to >have one with Isis. Of course I now have a Japanese Bobtail as well which >are neat cats but they can be vocal and outspoken. Did they show the >household cats (HHP Category)? I didn't see a household cat category but we weren't there all that long. The cat breeds seem to be segregated by aisle. I did see some Bombays and they are black indeed. I really liked the Birmans. Very fluffy. I never even heard of them before. >As for the cloning portion, I think this only adds to the overpopulation >problem. I have to wonder why people would want cloned cats when there are >so many cats that are awaiting adoption at shelters. As for the adoption >even as part of the cat show, that seems to be the norm but I am a bit >skeptical about the free cat part since some cats could end up in the hands >of potential animal abusers. What organization had the cats for adoption? I didn't pay attention but they must have been reputable. I'm not sure that it was completely free. Even adopting out of my local pet store there is usually a charge to help cover the shots and neutering. Mine charged $30, which is very reasonable. >Another thing you might see and hear at a cat show is when someone yells >"Cat Out!" You'll see people scrambling to close the exhibit hall doors [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >show but I'd say going to one as a spectator is a nice experience. It is >even better when you are showing a cat. I saw quite a few cats lying around in cages with the doors open or on tables outside of the cage. Most didn't look like they wanted to go anywhere but I suppose some panic with all the strangers and other cats around. All in all they looked pretty comfortable. >How did the Bombays do? I absolutely love those cats and am lucky enough to >have one with Isis. Didn't you find Isis as a stray? Orchid See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage Want a Purebred Cat? Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid Nope. I adopted her from the Humane Society. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > Didn't you find Isis as a stray? >Nope. I adopted her from the Humane Society. Right. CP, I am sorry to break it to you, but Isis is not a Bombay. She's a very pretty black self DSH with gold eyes which is perfectly, absolutely, wonderfully fine. Her type is nothing like a Bombay. Shelters tend to hang breed names on anything that even superficially vaguely resembles a breed to make them more adoptable. This practise is really stupid, and drives me insane. Orchid See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage Want a Purebred Cat? Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid I hate to burst your bubble but yes she is a Bombay. She was not originally labeled a Bombay at the shelter but a DSH. I discovered that Isis was a Bombay later when someone pointed out the breed in a book on cats. The cat pictured looked just like Isis. I also had her breed verified at a cat show by a breeder of Bombays which said that Isis is one. Maybe not the show quality to compete amongst other purebreds because she was a rescue but a Bombay nonetheless. Are you going to say that a book on cats as well as a breeder of Bombays is also wrong. I also take offense to your saying "her type." It kind of seems like you think that the cats found at shelters such as her are not worthy of being adopted and are beneath you adopting. I myself love shelter cats and don't have a problem adopting from rescue whether they be a purebred or not. All 3 of my cats were rescues. I know you like to come across as an expert on cats Orchid but purebreds can end up in shelters. It is becoming a lot more common and a lot of shelters don't need to give a cat a breed name in order to adopt them out. In fact I have seen Persians, Russian Blues, and other breeds turn up at local rescues. I have to wonder how you can come to such outrageous conclusions that shelters give cats a breed title in order to get them adopted? Believe it or not they also have shelters that rescue certain breeds. Are you intending on writing them and saying that the cats up for adoption are not purebreds either but rather DSH, longhairs or medium hairs? I have to wonder how you got your Bengals. Did you get them from a shelter or from a breeder? They are beautiful cats but I have to wonder how you came across them. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > Right. CP, I am sorry to break it to you, but Isis is not a > Bombay. She's a very pretty black self DSH with gold eyes which is [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage > Want a Purebred Cat? Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid > I discovered that Isis was a >Bombay later when someone pointed out the breed in a book on cats. The cat [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Bombay nonetheless. Are you going to say that a book on cats as well as a >breeder of Bombays is also wrong. I am going to say that your eye for type and my eye for type are fairly different, and comparing pictures in cat breed books to living animals is difficult to do. To my eye, Isis' head is too angular, her earset and shape are not correct, and her tail is whippier than is called for by the standard. I could be wrong, but the relative rarity of the Bombay breed would also suggest black self DSH. >I also take offense to your saying "her type." It kind of seems like you >think that the cats found at shelters such as her are not worthy of being >adopted and are beneath you adopting. *sigh* Type. As in conformation. As in the musculoskeletal structure of the cat that conforms to the written breed standard. A cat with correct structure is 'typey'. Isis is not typey. As for moggies, I am currently fostering and socialising a adorable tiny grey tabby DMH kitten that I found wandering my neighborhood, extremely emaciated. >I know you like to come across as an expert on cats Orchid but purebreds can >end up in shelters. It is becoming a lot more common and a lot of shelters >don't need to give a cat a breed name in order to adopt them out. In fact I >have seen Persians, Russian Blues, and other breeds turn up at local >rescues. Russian Blue is more than a grey self cat -- it is type (conformation). I work with several local rescue groups, and I have never seen a 'Russian Blue' that was one. Every longhair becomes a Persian, unless it becomes a Maine Coon. Very very few of these cats conform to the standards of the breeds they are purported to be, and it's extremely unfair to the cats, the prospective owners, and the breeders of the breeds. Breed is more than type and pattern, it's also temperament and activity level and to mis-identify a cat gives people certain expectations that may or may not be fulfilled. > I have to wonder how you can come to such outrageous conclusions >that shelters give cats a breed title in order to get them adopted? Believe >it or not they also have shelters that rescue certain breeds. Do you mean breed rescue groups? If so, I work with Bengal Rescue -- we try to screen potential cats that come into rescue for the appropriate breed characteristics. As for my 'outrageous conclusions', merely look at Petfinder. Just about every grey self is a 'Russian Blue', longhairs are 'Persians' unless they are very large brown tabbies, after which they become 'Maine Coons'. Any cat with any hint of a spot becomes a 'Bengal', and any pointed cat becomes a 'Siamese'. > Are you >intending on writing them and saying that the cats up for adoption are not >purebreds either but rather DSH, longhairs or medium hairs? If I thought they would listen, absolutely. The groups I work with do not mislabel cats -- if we get a cat in that meets a breed standard in a reasonable way, we let potential adopters know it may be a 'whatever' or a 'whatever' mix. >I have to wonder how you got your Bengals. Did you get them from a shelter >or from a breeder? They are beautiful cats but I have to wonder how you came >across them. My boys came from Nodngait Bengals, and are champion show alters. Orchid See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage Want a Purebred Cat? Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid Yes, they are very different. I actually studied the breed when it was pointed out to me she was a Bombay. She has all the characteristics and traits of the Bombay right down to the coat. I know you want to portray yourself as an expert on cats but I am right about this one and even had it confirmed. The breed is not a rare at all. Plenty of them turn up in shelters and on the streets. So you indeed got your cats from a breeder. Isn't that more or less denying a great cat awaiting adoption a good home? I love cats from the shelters and you find so many end up there because people dump them or because they are from an unwanted litters. Some also end up in the shelters simply because they are abandoned as well. I find it really untrue what you state about certain cats being pegged with a breed simply because the shelters want to hype them up. Most shelters seem to put out the message that no matter whether it is a mixed breed, purebred, calico, tabby, etc, that all the cats need a good home. It makes me sad that some people will go to a breeder to get a cat when many great kitties at the rescues need good and loving homes. I hate the term "moggies." It is such a derogatory word to describe a mixed breed cat. It seems to get tossed around by those that feel the cats of mixed origin are not as good as those that are purebred. Though I am glad you are helping the stray cat you found, it seems like you keep thinking this cat is not as good as your Bengals simply because it is a mix. I hope that cat gets better. Bengals are beautiful cats but I still prefer Bombays, tabbies, and of course I am learning more about the Japanese Bobtail since I just recently rescued and adopted one. My Icarus was a stray and just like Jade he was abandoned. Luckily he had all of his claws but he was a bit thin and overheated when I found him. He has improved greatly and is eating plenty. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:24:31 -0700, "Cat Protector" > I am going to say that your eye for type and my eye for type > are fairly different, and comparing pictures in cat breed books to [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage > Want a Purebred Cat? Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid > I hate the term "moggies." It is such a derogatory word to describe a > mixed breed cat. Boy, do you show your baggage. I have two moggies. They're beautiful. I have never heard "moggie" used in a derogatory way, but only with affection. Take that friggin massive chip off your shoulder. Chip on my shoulder? I just don't like the term as it is in bad form when it comes to cats. Cats are beautiful creatures and don't deserve a label like that. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > Boy, do you show your baggage. I have two moggies. They're beautiful. I > have never heard "moggie" used in a derogatory way, but only with > affection. > > Take that friggin massive chip off your shoulder. > Chip on my shoulder? I just don't like the term as it is in bad form when > it comes to cats. Cats are beautiful creatures and don't deserve a label > like that. Again, what is wrong with the label? I have only ever heard the word "moggie" said with affection. The only thing wrong with it is in your mine - which suggests there's a big chip there somewhere. > I just don't like the term as it is in bad form when it > comes to cats. That's your *opinion,* not a statement of fact. In the UK, it's in good form, and with most Americans as well. > Cats are beautiful creatures and don't deserve a label like > that. You're saying cats don't deserve a term of endearment and affection. Nice. Signaturehttp://www.mindspring.com/~slywy/ That's the problem with some deragatory words. Some humans desensitize themselves. Look at some of the words we created for people of different races. Would you call a black person the N word or a Jew the K word? Do you feel those words are meant with affection? I don't like the word moggie as it sounds very demeaning to cats which are beautiful creatures. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com "Diane L. Schirf" <delenn@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:e38bd.2363 > You're saying cats don't deserve a term of endearment and affection. > Nice. > That's the problem with some deragatory words. Some humans desensitize > themselves. Look at some of the words we created for people of different > races. Would you call a black person the N word or a Jew the K word? Do > you feel those words are meant with affection? I don't like the word > moggie as it sounds very demeaning to cats which are beautiful creatures. That's just your opinion. I've never heard moggie used any way except as a description or in an affectionate way. Never heard someone say "Oh that moggie!" "What a gd moggie!" Actually, I like Moggie better than mixed breed. Signature-Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net www.kelltek.com Check out www.snittens.com >From: "KellyH" Kelly@whatever.com >Never heard someone say "Oh that >moggie!" "What a gd moggie!" >Actually, I like Moggie better than mixed breed. I do too. I never heard the word till I started posting here and I remember thinking to myself "what a cool word" Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecatjournal.com/articles/claws.htm > >From: "KellyH" Kelly@whatever.com > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I do too. I never heard the word till I started posting here and I remember > thinking to myself "what a cool word" Agreed. I picked it up here as well and much prefer it to mutt or mixed breed. I think it's cute. It's always used in a good way, from what I've seen. Signature-- ~kaeli~ I love God. It's His fanclub that I can't stand. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace >Agreed. I picked it up here as well and much prefer it to mutt or mixed >breed. >I think it's cute. It's always used in a good way, from what I've seen. I also think it's much cuter than "mutt." The term they usually use around here for a mixed-breed cat is just "alley cat." I like "moggie* much better. Sherry > I don't like the word moggie as > it sounds very demeaning to cats which are beautiful creatures. Well, that's your problem. Don't inflict it on everyone else, thank you very much. Moggie lover Signaturehttp://www.mindspring.com/~slywy/ >Boy, do you show your baggage. I have two moggies. They're beautiful. I have >never heard "moggie" used in a derogatory way, but only with affection. I never heard that word until I read postings, here, from our UK posters. It's such a cute word, IMO, I use it all the time now, (and, yes, with all the pride and affection in the world) Sherry >>Boy, do you show your baggage. I have two moggies. They're beautiful. I have >>never heard "moggie" used in a derogatory way, but only with affection. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Sherry I never heard the word before either, which is why I used Mutt. I used to use DSH (domestic short hair for those not into vet speak) except that now I have a DLH. I like having a better word and I don't think it is derogatory at all. Just a word that means I have wonderful cats that don't have useless papers. Hmm. Being on internet of course I still haven't HEARD the word. Is it pronounced MOO-GEE as from a cow? Or MAH-GEE? or MOE-GEE? I think MOE-GEE is best. Since it is of British origin, I probably still can't say it right, being from NYC. > >>Boy, do you show your baggage. I have two moggies. They're beautiful. I have > >>never heard "moggie" used in a derogatory way, but only with affection. <snip> > Hmm. Being on internet of course I still haven't HEARD the word. Is it > pronounced MOO-GEE as from a cow? Or MAH-GEE? or MOE-GEE? I think > MOE-GEE is best. I think it's pronouced like "doggie" but with an 'm'. Signature-- ~kaeli~ When you choke a smurf, what color does it turn? http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace >> >>Boy, do you show your baggage. I have two moggies. They're beautiful. I have >> >>never heard "moggie" used in a derogatory way, but only with affection. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >I think it's pronouced like "doggie" but with an 'm'. MAW-GEE then. > > I hate the term "moggies." It is such a derogatory word to describe a > > mixed breed cat. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Take that friggin massive chip off your shoulder. Damn. Everyone is PMSing today. lol (...) > I find it really untrue what you state about certain cats being pegged with > a breed simply because the shelters want to hype them up. Is this an abyssinian? http://makeashorterlink.com/?H2EF13489 And this is a funny looking Bombay ... http://makeashorterlink.com/?X52012589 And if this is a Devon Rex, I'm a Wedgewood teapot - p://makeashorterlink.com/?M26053589 The intention of the mislabelling is honourable, but it's mislabelling all the same. (...) > I hate the term "moggies." It is such a derogatory word to describe a mixed > breed cat. Tosspot! It's a term of affection! > It seems to get tossed around by those that feel the cats of > mixed origin are not as good as those that are purebred. So, CP, if you think that mixed and purebreds have equal value (to you), then why are you so insistent that Isis is a Bombay? Would she be of less value to you if she were a moggy? (...) > Bengals are beautiful cats but I still prefer Bombays, tabbies, and of > course I am learning more about the Japanese Bobtail since I just recently > rescued and adopted one. Heh - you sure it's a Japanese Bobtail...? Steve. >> I find it really untrue what you state about certain cats being pegged with > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >The intention of the mislabelling is honourable, but it's mislabelling >all the same. I'm starting to see what the fuss is about. That's the cutest moggie tuxedo I've ever seen. It's almost derogatory to hang "Bombay" on her, as if she isn't lovely or special enough in her own right. It's the squashed-faced longhairs, or the masked cats, that we generall hang breed names on, the ones that really look (to the untrained eye anyway).... like a Persian or Siamese. Admittedly, some masked cats haven't a drop of Siamese blood. Sherry >(...) >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >Steve. (...) > I'm starting to see what the fuss is about. That's the cutest moggie tuxedo > I've ever seen. It's almost derogatory to hang "Bombay" on her, as if she > isn't lovely or special enough in her own right. Bingo! Exactly. Also, one wonders how someone who thinks they have scored (e.g.) a 'Bombay' will feel when it turns out that the cat is 'just' a moggy (Cheap shot answer: they'll feel like CP. Booooooo.) Steve. Take all the shots you want at me but Isis is a Bombay. I just feel that to call a cat a "moggie" is pretty demeaning to the feline. We humans don't like to be called deragatory or demeaning names so why should the cat be subjected to it? SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > Bingo! Exactly. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Steve. > Take all the shots you want at me but Isis is a Bombay. I just feel that to > call a cat a "moggie" is pretty demeaning to the feline. We humans don't > like to be called deragatory or demeaning names so why should the cat be > subjected to it? Dumbass, it is NOT derogatory. Will you please use that head as more than a pillow weight??? Jesus. Is putting people down the only way you know to try and get your point across? I have to wonder what this group has come to. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > Dumbass, it is NOT derogatory. Will you please use that head as more than > a > pillow weight??? Jesus. > Is putting people down the only way you know to try and get your point across? I have to wonder what this group has come to. CP--you frustrate people. You are thick-headed. "Moggie" is a term of endearment. I am about the 20th person to tell you this. Get the cobwebs out of that brainpan, boy! Once again, you didn't answer my question. Is name calling and put downs the only way some of you know how to post. You can make your point by not doing so. I stand by my not calling cats "moggies" because I feel it is derogatory and demeaning to such a beautiful animal. I know if someone called me a demeaning (or racsist) word that I wouldn't like it. I guess I am just more sensative to some people's feelings and I therefore am also sensative to a cat's feelings. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > CP--you frustrate people. You are thick-headed. "Moggie" is a term of > endearment. I am about the 20th person to tell you this. Get the cobwebs > out > of that brainpan, boy! > Once again, you didn't answer my question. Is name calling and put downs the only way some of you know how to post. You can make your point by not doing > so. You are an idiot. Nobody can have a logical conversation with an idiot. I stand by my not calling cats "moggies" because I feel it is derogatory You "feel" wrong. Try using your brain instead. What there is of it. > and demeaning to such a beautiful animal. I know if someone called me a > demeaning (or racsist) word that I wouldn't like it. I guess I am just more [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > out > > of that brainpan, boy! > Once again, you didn't answer my question. Is name calling and put downs > the only way some of you know how to post. You can make your point by not [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > am just more sensative to some people's feelings and I therefore am also > sensative to a cat's feelings. Did you read the other thread I started to find out if moggie is derogatory? Kaeli posted numerous references showing it is NOT! You're entitled to think moggie is a bad term, but that doesn't mean when other people say it, it is. That's like if I suddenly decided being called "female" was derogatory, and I got upset any time I was referred to as a female, and when other women were called females. Signature-Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net www.kelltek.com Check out www.snittens.com No I didn't read it. Thank you for not posting with name calling and all that. I know mine will not be a popular opinion or viewpoint but I felt moggie is the equivalent of saying a black person is the "n" word and a Jew is the "k" word. I feel cats deserve our respect and love. I guess I decided to be more sensitive to certain words after I made the mistake of calling Jade "fat." I could see that it bothered her so I stopped saying that to her. The problem with humans is that you get so used to using a certain word that you become desensitized to the feelings of others. Words can hurt. The word "moggie" makes it seems like mixed breeds are not as good as purebreeds. I don't subscribe to that philosophy as I see all cats as being equal to each other in some fashion and they are beautiful creatures. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > > Did you read the other thread I started to find out if moggie is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > called "female" was derogatory, and I got upset any time I was referred to > as a female, and when other women were called females. > I felt > moggie is the equivalent of saying a black person is the "n" word and a Jew > is the "k" word. Wow. Unbelievable. I'm going to use moggie in every post now. Moggie lover Signaturehttp://www.mindspring.com/~slywy/ > > I felt > > moggie is the equivalent of saying a black person is the "n" word and a Jew [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Moggie lover lol!! > > > I felt > > > moggie is the equivalent of saying a black person is the "n" word and a [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > lol!! Have you hugged a moggie today? Signaturehttp://www.mindspring.com/~slywy/ >From: "Diane L. Schirf" delenn@mindspring.com >Have you hugged a moggie today? I just hugged my two beautiful moggies :) Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecatjournal.com/articles/claws.htm > > > > I felt > > > > moggie is the equivalent of saying a black person is the "n" word and a [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Have you hugged a moggie today? Hugged them? I have already hugged them, kissed them, pilled them, petted them, sung to them, danced with them, scritched them and just generally annoyed the hell out of them with my overabundance of love--at least twice per cat--this morning! :) > I know if someone called me a > demeaning (or racsist) word that I wouldn't like it. How DARE you equate a racist word with a term of endearment for a cat? Do you consider racist words and "sweetie" or "dearest" equivalent? Do you tell lovers calling each other "honeyboo" that they might just as well be using the "n" word? Do you GET it yet? Signaturehttp://www.mindspring.com/~slywy/ You have got to be kidding. "Moggie" is a term that describes a mixed or half-breed cat (i.e. mongrel). How can you equate that to be a term of affection? Would you call a human child a half breed if they were of mixed race or color? SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > How DARE you equate a racist word with a term of endearment for a cat? > Do you consider racist words and "sweetie" or "dearest" equivalent? Do > you tell lovers calling each other "honeyboo" that they might just as > well be using the "n" word? > > Do you GET it yet? > You have got to be kidding. "Moggie" is a term that describes a mixed or > half-breed cat (i.e. mongrel). How can you equate that to be a term of > affection? Would you call a human child a half breed if they were of mixed > race or color? Well, in one common scenario, a mulatto. So, what's the point here? A mulatto is a person of mixed race, a moggie is of mixed breeds. I don't see the problem that you do. You are of the opinion that "moggie" is a derogatory term, when in fact it's used in neutral or affectionate terms by the very people who have mixed breed cats. Not only that, but you're putting your own connotation/spin on a word that's British, not even American English. So, stick to "mixed breed" - Vs. "moggie" - if you like, but don't expect others to go along with considering moggie to be a non-PC term. Cathy > > How DARE you equate a racist word with a term of endearment for a cat? > > Do you consider racist words and "sweetie" or "dearest" equivalent? Do > > you tell lovers calling each other "honeyboo" that they might just as > > well be using the "n" word? > > > > Do you GET it yet? > You have got to be kidding. "Moggie" is a term that describes a mixed or > half-breed cat (i.e. mongrel). How can you equate that to be a term of > affection? Would you call a human child a half breed if they were of mixed > race or color? It is so-called "pure bred" cats that are anomalies, you flaming idiot. A cat's natural state is "mixed." Humans created the "pure bred" cat. Jesus. Can you even tie your blinking shoes?? > You have got to be kidding. "Moggie" is a term that describes a mixed or > half-breed cat (i.e. mongrel). Yes, it is a term of affection that describes a mixed breed cat (i.e. mongrel). > How can you equate that to be a term of affection? Because it is? I think your heart's in the right place, but equating the words 'nigger' and 'moggy' - hellfire, that's actually pretty offensive, you know? I'm afraid this time your brain has taken a trip on the stupid boat to stupid island where it's lying on the stupid beach reading a stupid book in a stupid voice. S. > > Take all the shots you want at me but Isis is a Bombay. I just feel that > to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Dumbass, it is NOT derogatory. I've come to the conclusion the poor guy doesn't get out much and doesn't have a sense of humour, either. :( Signaturehttp://www.mindspring.com/~slywy/ > > > Take all the shots you want at me but Isis is a Bombay. I just feel that > > to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I've come to the conclusion the poor guy doesn't get out much and doesn't have a sense of humour, either. :( I know, man. I try not to swipe at him, but I am only human. > Take all the shots you want at me but Isis is a Bombay. I just feel that to > call a cat a "moggie" is pretty demeaning to the feline. We humans don't > like to be called deragatory or demeaning names so why should the cat be > subjected to it? Why do you think the cats find it demeaning? Mine like it. Are your cats snobs or something? Signature-- ~kaeli~ Every calendar's days are numbered. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace No. My cats prefer to be called by their given names not be the subject to put downs. A prime example was when I first adopted Jade. I once called her fat because she was overweight. Jade looked at me with a very hurt look on her face. She's a beautiful cat but she also has feelings which is why I refrain from unkind names towards cats such as "moggie." SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > Why do you think the cats find it demeaning? > > Mine like it. Are your cats snobs or something? > No. My cats prefer to be called by their given names not be the subject to > put downs. Again, who said it was a put-down? I call Rowan "Princess" when she's being a sh.t. It is an affectionate nick. She certainly doesn't mind. She doesn't mind when I call her a moggie, either. Does Jade think she's better than Rowan? Signature-- ~kaeli~ Practice safe eating - always use condiments. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace > > Take all the shots you want at me but Isis is a Bombay. I just feel that to > > call a cat a "moggie" is pretty demeaning to the feline. We humans don't [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Mine like it. Are your cats snobs or something? Cool! Can I join the Cat Mind Reader's Club, too or is my IQ too high? ;) Anyone can talk to their cat if they just open up their minds and stop thinking so human. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > Cool! Can I join the Cat Mind Reader's Club, too or is my IQ too high? ;) > Anyone can talk to their cat if they just open up their minds and stop > thinking so human. We ALL talk to our cats you stupid a.s! Once again you have proven that you can't have a discussion without acting childish. Only young kids resort to name calling when they don't like someone else's opinion. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > We ALL talk to our cats you stupid a.s! > Once again you have proven that you can't have a discussion without acting childish. Only young kids resort to name calling when they don't like someone else's opinion. No they don't. I just did, stupid a.s! I rest my case. You probably are just a little kid. I think I'll just add you to my killfile list as you aren;t worth the stress or aggrivation. It's obvious you can't be act like an adult in a conversation. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > No they don't. I just did, stupid a.s! > I rest my case. You probably are just a little kid. I think I'll just add you to my killfile list as you aren;t worth the stress or aggrivation. It's obvious you can't be act like an adult in a conversation. Obviously. Killfile me. PLEASE. Idiot. > > Why do you think the cats find it demeaning? > > > > Mine like it. Are your cats snobs or something? > > Cool! Can I join the Cat Mind Reader's Club, too or is my IQ too high? ;) You're just jealous that you can't talk to your cats, too. Rowan even tells me bedtime stories. I bet your cat doesn't do that for you. She tells me her favorite one about the cat and the pinkie mouse all the time. It's a little gory for bedtime, but she really enjoys telling it. Signature-- ~kaeli~ Practice safe eating - always use condiments. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace "kaeli" <tiny_one@NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote : > You're just jealous that you can't talk to your cats, too. > Rowan even tells me bedtime stories. I bet your cat doesn't do that for you. She tells me her favorite one about the cat and the pinkie mouse all the time. It's a little gory for bedtime, but she really enjoys telling it. Hey, man, I talk to them they just don't talk BACK! At least not in English. <G> >Take all the shots you want at me but Isis is a Bombay. I just feel that to >call a cat a "moggie" is pretty demeaning to the feline. We humans don't >like to be called deragatory or demeaning names so why should the cat be >subjected to it? If the BBC uses the term moggie I can't see it to be demeaning. I have never herd of the BBC using a derogatory word, of course I am in the US. Here is a URL: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1866406.stm All of those were mixes which is why they put a comma after each description. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > Is this an abyssinian? http://makeashorterlink.com/?H2EF13489 > And this is a funny looking Bombay ... [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Steve. > All of those were mixes which is why they put a comma after each > description. Well, the 'Devon Rex' wasn't ID'd as a mix. And, although the others were, (1) they weren't identified as such on the main search screen, and (2) even calling them a such-and-such mix is pushing it, in many cases. S. >I am going to say that your eye for type and my eye for type >are fairly different, and comparing pictures in cat breed books to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >the relative rarity of the Bombay breed would also suggest black self >DSH. Orchid, I told CP this myself, that it's very unlikely an uncommon breed like the Bombay would show up in a shelter and I agree that this cat does not seem to conform to the Bombay standard. Yet CP insists his cat must be Bombay, while trying to argue that mixed breed cats are "just as good" as purebred cats. Then why not admit that your cat is not purebred, CP? There seems to be some kind of added value to you in wanting to say you have a Bombay rather than a black DSH. >>Nope. I adopted her from the Humane Society. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Orchid I know it makes you nuts. :-) But I don't see the harm. Maybe you can explain your position to me. The cats adopted from shelters aren't going to be shown, and they're never going to have papers anyway.And they're never going to be bred. If it helps the cat get adopted, I don't see the harm. I don't mean trying to pass a cat off as a purebred, but labeling the obvious, the masked cats as a "Siamese Mix" just helps give the cat a little push, and an identity. Same with the dogs. If it looks like a Boxer, they call it a Boxer, but have no idea whether it's 100% Boxer or not. > I know it makes you nuts. :-) > But I don't see the harm. Maybe you can explain your position to me. The [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > 100% > Boxer or not. At the shelter I'm with, we don't make any guarantees about breed, but if a longhaired cat with a smushed in face comes in, we'll write "Persian" on his description, same with a triangle-head with points, he gets "Siamese" on his cage card. If they kinda-sorta look like a breed, then they get "Mix" or "Cross". We don't do it to try to "sell" the cat, but to describe it. Should we only put a breed label if we have papers? I don't really see the breed-a-likes at our shelter moving any more quickly than the DS/M/LH's. In fact, I don't really like having pure (or semi-pure) bred cats in the shelter. They kinda freak me out. I'm so afraid they are going to get stressed, or we won't do the right things for them, or they need to be adopted to a certain type of home. I would much rather they go to their breed's rescue organization. But, I know they are swamped probably. We just got an Abyssinian (with papers) and a Bengal (no papers, but was purchased from a breeder) that came in together today. The Aby is having a fur-licking problem and the owner couldn't get to the bottom of it, if it was medical or stress. I don't know the first thing about Aby's, so I have no idea if the breed is prone to this, etc. Being at the shelter certainly isn't stress-free. I would feel so much more comfortable if this guy was in an Aby rescue where they might be able to help him more than we can. Signature-Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net www.kelltek.com Check out www.snittens.com >>>Nope. I adopted her from the Humane Society. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >I know it makes you nuts. :-) *grin* Just the littlest, tiniest bit. >But I don't see the harm. Maybe you can explain your position to me. The cats >adopted from shelters aren't going to be shown, and they're never going to have >papers anyway.And they're never going to be bred. If it helps the cat get >adopted, I don't see the harm. I don't mean trying to pass a cat off as a >purebred, but labeling the obvious, the masked cats as a "Siamese Mix" just >helps give the cat a little push, and an identity. I think part of it comes from what breed *I* own -- because Bengals have become very popular, many shelters are labelling anything with a spot anywhere on the body as a 'Bengal'. You may not be aware of this, but some states are outlawing hybrid anything because of problems with wolf-dog hybrids. Because of this, Bengals, which are loving domestic cats with fantastic temperaments are being banned as 'vicious'. Bengals are illegal in Georgia, Denver, and Conneticut, and legislation has been considered in New York State as well. The only defense we Bengal owners have is to introduce the public to our breed's incredible temperaments. So what happens when a shelter adopts out a 'Bengal mix' with an uncertain temperament? What happens when the cat hurts someone? Is the cat described as a domestic shorthair? No. The cat is described as a Bengal, which gives anti-Bengal people another piece of ammunition. The other part is how totally unfair it is to the cat. A cat does not have to be a breed in order to be beautiful and worthy of a home. Some of the 'breed IDs' in shelters are absolutely ridiculous. http://makeashorterlink.com/?B24534589 is not an Abyssinian. She's a perfectly lovely blue Torbie DSH and she is wonderful as she is. http://makeashorterlink.com/?P57526589 is *certainly* not a Siamese -- I have no idea why they thought it would be a good idea to describe her that way. Oh wait, it's because she has blue eyes and only Siamese have blue eyes.....right? http://makeashorterlink.com/?R1A553589 -- Where to start? Chartreaux are so ridiculously rare in the US that the chances of one showing up in a shelter is extremely slim. Not to mention the coat -- Chartreaux are blue self. And only blue self. And yet, all these cats are beautiful in their own rights. They don't need breed names hung on them -- purebred does not mean better. And by pretending that these cats are members of a breed these shelters are inadvertantly giving the impression that moggies are somehow inferior -- that's it's better to lie (badly) than admit that they are moggies. > Same with the dogs. If it >looks like a Boxer, they call it a Boxer, but have no idea whether it's 100% >Boxer or not. I work with Lab Rescue, and have done intake evaluations before -- we compare the dogs to the breed standard and take the ones that look as though they could reasonably be members of the breed. If shelters did the same with cats -- that is, compare them to a breed standard and only label the ones that fit it reasonably well, I'd have no problem with it whatsoever. But shelters tend to only go by coat colour, and sometimes not even that. Orchid See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage Want a Purebred Cat? Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid It's actually funny to hear you say that because you seem to turn your nose to look down on cats in the shelter. You have put a lot of emphasis on purbreds as if you think they are better. You also had no problem going to a breeder to get your cats instead of adopting a cat from a rescue group or shelter. The cats at the shelters are terrific and just fine with me. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > And yet, all these cats are beautiful in their own rights. > They don't need breed names hung on them -- purebred does not mean [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage > Want a Purebred Cat? Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid >It's actually funny to hear you say that because you seem to turn your nose >to look down on cats in the shelter. Cite please. I have never said that I think purebreds are better, and I never will because I don't believe that. Moggies are lovely cats. >You have put a lot of emphasis on >purbreds as if you think they are better. How did I do this? I was complaining about breed mis-identification -- something Sherry can attest is an enormous pet peeve of mine. > You also had no problem going to a >breeder to get your cats instead of adopting a cat from a rescue group or >shelter. The cats at the shelters are terrific and just fine with me. Ah, now we see. I was looking for some specific temperamental traits in my cats, and the Bengal breed encapsulated those traits perfectly. Hence, I wanted Bengals. I am a professional private trainer (and groomer) and I wanted cats that were food motivated, easily trainable, intelligent, and human affectionate. I also wanted confident cats that I would be able to do ICAT and therapy work with. Bengals are all these things and more. Not a difficult decision for me. Orchid See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage Want a Purebred Cat? Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid You got your cats from a breeder and seem to claim most shelters come up with breed names for cats simply to get them adopted. You also seem to be reluctant to adopt a cat from the shelter because you state that by getting a purebred you are looking for specific traits like easily trainable (if you wanted obedience why didn't you simply get a dog?) , intelligent and affectionate. All those traits can be found by many cats awaiting adoption at shelters. All 3 of my cats are affectionate and intelligent as all cats are. Don't you realize that by getting felines from breeders you are supporting the overpopulation problem? SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > Cite please. I have never said that I think purebreds are > better, and I never will because I don't believe that. Moggies are [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage > Want a Purebred Cat? Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid >From: "Cat Protector" >You also seem to be >reluctant to adopt a cat from the shelter because you state that by getting [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >at shelters. All 3 of my cats are affectionate and intelligent as all cats >are. I do have to agree with you on this, CP. My cats are extremely intelligent, very trainable and affectionate. With that being said, however, I think if a person is that gung ho on getting a purebred, I think they most likely wouldn't be happy with a cat from a shelter, sad to say. JMO Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecatjournal.com/articles/claws.htm > >From: "Cat Protector" > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Lauren "Orchid" is a breeder if I recall correctly. >> >From: "Cat Protector" >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >"Orchid" is a breeder if I recall correctly. You don't. :) I show in the alter class, but all pets are altered in my house. Well, Little Kitten isn't yet, but he's neither old enough nor heavy enough. Orchid See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage Want a Purebred Cat? Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid >You got your cats from a breeder and seem to claim most shelters come up >with breed names for cats simply to get them adopted. Have you looked at Petfinder recently? >You also seem to be >reluctant to adopt a cat from the shelter because you state that by getting >a purebred you are looking for specific traits Please note that I decided to get *Bengals* for those specific traits -- a Persian would not have worked for me, nor would have a Ragdoll. > like easily trainable (if you >wanted obedience why didn't you simply get a dog?) , Because I wanted cats, and because cats *enjoy* training. Training is mental stimulation -- something that the typical indoor cat doesn't get nearly enough of. My boys thoroughly enjoy playing 'the clicker game' and Little Kitten has taken to it like a fish to water as well. How can it be bad to encourage our cats to *think*? >intelligent and >affectionate. All those traits can be found by many cats awaiting adoption >at shelters. Absolutely, but to find two male cats that got along with each other *and* both had all those traits would have taken an immense amount of time and searching. I knew what I was looking for -- why would it have been better for me to play roulette? >All 3 of my cats are affectionate and intelligent as all cats >are. CP, not all cats are intelligent or affectionate. I have known entirely too many people with cats who would not allow themselves to be touched. Entirely too many people with cats that no one but the owner ever saw. Entirely too many people (including people with purebreds) whose cats were akin to the proverbial box of hammers. My cats open baby locks, for gods' sake, and have almost mastered the round doorknob. This is a level of intelligence above and beyond. >Don't you realize that by getting felines from breeders you are >supporting the overpopulation problem? How so? My breeder has never had a cat of her breeding go into a shelter. How does she know? She has a return clause in her contract and she stays in touch with every single kitten buyer. We send her Christmas cards with pictures of the boys in them. How exactly am I supporting the overpopulation problem? My boys are both neutered. Orchid See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage Want a Purebred Cat? Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid >You have put a lot of emphasis on >purbreds as if you think they are better You are the one insisting your cat is purebred--why would you do this if you don't think your cat is "better" if she is actually a Bombay rather than a black dsh? > And yet, all these cats are beautiful in their own rights. >They don't need breed names hung on them -- purebred does not mean >better. And by pretending that these cats are members of a breed >these shelters are inadvertantly giving the impression that moggies >are somehow inferior -- that's it |
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