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MacCandace - 10 Oct 2004 03:31 GMT
I posted 7 new photos, 3 of my monster kitty, Marbles, who is still
misbehaving.  He seemed as though he had improved but yesterday he went after
Scottie and today he went after Abbey.  Sigh.  Soon we're having a workshop
built onto our house, this fall, I hope, so that will open our master bedroom
up which is currently a workshop that the cats aren't allowed in.  I guess we
might wind up keeping them separated indefinitely with just an hour or 2 a day
where he is out with the others.  It's all too weird.

Anyway, I also posted a pic of my brother, Henry (my mom's cat), one of Scottie
and one of Abbey, and one of my late cat, Cory, with Scottie and Abbey as one
big happy family...something we no longer have.  I just sent some film in and
we had an old roll in one camera so I got 4 more pics of Cory that I don't know
we had.  That was nice.

They're the last 7 photos in the Cat album.

Candace
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Karen Chuplis - 10 Oct 2004 03:41 GMT
> I posted 7 new photos, 3 of my monster kitty, Marbles, who is still
> misbehaving.  He seemed as though he had improved but yesterday he went after
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> "One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other
> than human."  (Loren Eisely)

If it helps at all, this Oct. 25 is 2 years from the date I got Pearl. She
can actually occasionally play with Grant, Sugar is still a wimp about
Pearl, but it's all pretty harmless and sometimes half "fun" when Pearl
(rarely) gives chase (and Pearl always stops at the bedroom door), and at
meal time Pearl will let Grant briefly sniff her or nuzzle her. There is
hope.
Cathy Friedmann - 10 Oct 2004 03:55 GMT
> > I posted 7 new photos, 3 of my monster kitty, Marbles, who is still
> > misbehaving.  He seemed as though he had improved but yesterday he went after
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> meal time Pearl will let Grant briefly sniff her or nuzzle her. There is
> hope.

Yep.  It's been 5 years and a month since I adopted Herrie.  Demelza &
Herrie can now lie side-by-side at the front door (reg. door open, storm dr.
all glass) watching the squirrels.  There is the occasional scrabble - a
*loud* one yesterday - but Demelza is no longer cowed by them for long.
Yesterday's deal caused her to remain in hiding for maybe 2 minutes - then
she was out & acting normally again.  (These things *never* bother Herrie;
although, granted, he intiates them!)

Cathy
Karen Chuplis - 10 Oct 2004 03:45 GMT
> I posted 7 new photos, 3 of my monster kitty, Marbles, who is still
> misbehaving.  He seemed as though he had improved but yesterday he went after
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> "One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other
> than human."  (Loren Eisely)

My what a handsome crew!
KellyH - 10 Oct 2004 03:51 GMT
>I posted 7 new photos, 3 of my monster kitty, Marbles, who is still
> misbehaving.  He seemed as though he had improved but yesterday he went
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>
> They're the last 7 photos in the Cat album.

Cute pictures!  Glad to finally see what Marbles looks like.  He's so cute
for such a troublemaker.

BTW - Have you tried any extended periods of time with Marbles out?  Or is
he usually hustled back into the room after he chases one of the other cats?
I honestly have to wonder if it wouldn't be better to just let him out and
let the cats figure out the new arrangement.  I can't see how keeping them
separate forever is good.  My cats chase and wrestle around with each other,
but it's all play, with the exception of Bartleby and NewCat.  For some
reason, she won't stand up to him and if he looks at her funny, she takes
off.  But, this only happens like a couple times a month or so.  Bartleby
gets a bug up his butt that he must pick on NewCat.
I'm not trying to sound discouraging, and I know others are going to
disagree with me.  I've been reading about Marbles' intergration and you
sound so frustrated.  I really hope it does work out.  If it doesn't, don't
feel like a failure.  Maybe you can keep him as a foster while the rescue
group finds an "only cat" home for him.
Good luck!
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Cathy Friedmann - 10 Oct 2004 03:57 GMT
> Cute pictures!  Glad to finally see what Marbles looks like.  He's so cute
> for such a troublemaker.

That's what I was thinking - he looks perfectly innocent!  Looks can be
deceiving. ;-)

Cathy
MacCandace - 10 Oct 2004 05:04 GMT
<< That's what I was thinking - he looks perfectly innocent!  Looks can be
deceiving. ;-)

Cathy >>

Yeah, he's pretty cute, I keep telling him that he's lucky he's cute (of
course, what cat isn't?) or he wouldn't have any redeeming qualities.  He's
also very sweet to humans so he has 2 good qualities.  Well, and he potties
where he's supposed to, so he has 3 good qualities.

Candace
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See my cats:
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"One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other
than human."  (Loren Eisely)
MacCandace - 10 Oct 2004 04:59 GMT
<< Maybe you can keep him as a foster while the rescue group finds an "only
cat" home for him.
Good luck! >>

We're pretty attached to the little guy now so it'd be hard to give him up.

As for how long he's out, sometimes he's out 3-4 hours without an incident.
Quite a bit of that lately, in fact, until yesterday.  But even those times
when he is out for a long time and nothing bad happens, Scottie and Abbey still
remain in hiding.  The problem really lies with them, I think.  They truly are
not normal cats.  They are beyond wusses.  I just feel too guilty leaving
Marbles out more than 3-4 hours because I worry that they are so miserable and
may have to potty or eat.  I worry that, since they are so horrified, they
might quit eating or get sick or develop behavioral problems or something if
they are under constant stress.  Right now, the "incident" today happened about
7 hours ago, and Scottie and Abbey are still hdiing.  I shoved their food into
their hiding places and they've eaten but still in hiding.  I briefly lured
them out with grass and they came and ate it but went back under to their
respective hiding places.

It would be very hard to give Marbles up and it would have to be to someone I
knew and trusted...and that won't happen, I don't think.  Once we get that
other room, it gives them more room to spread out.  That's what I'm shooting
for...and then I'm thinking of getting our patio screened in after that so that
would open up another new area.   More space and more time, that's my hope for
the future...

Candace
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See my cats:
http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

"One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other
than human."  (Loren Eisely)
KellyH - 10 Oct 2004 18:34 GMT
> We're pretty attached to the little guy now so it'd be hard to give him
> up.

I understand.  We just had someone return a cat at the shelter who gave it
three years and ended up dividing her house because the two cats couldn't
get along.  She returned the cat who was the one being picked on, figuring
we would have a better chance finding a home for a wussy cat instead of the
aggressive cat.  It was very hard for her.
Sometimes I wonder if my cat NewCat, who's a big wuss, would rather be an
only.  I have her because she was being picked on mercilessly at her former
home.  She gets picked on a little bit here, but can avoid it for the most
part.  We went on vacation a few weeks ago and we took NewCat to the
cottage.  She was talkative and all over us.  She never makes a sound here
at home. I think she felt a little more free to be herself without all the
other cats around.  We went through a couple weeks once where she decided
not to come out from under the bed.  I think it started because I had a
litterbox upstairs for Dash (RB) as she was ill and couldn't always make it
to the boxes in the basement. I started bringing food and water up and
putting it under the bed for her.  My husband felt I was "enabling" NewCat
and pulled her out from under the bed and shut the bedroom door.  I was
furious and thought he was being mean.  NewCat sat for a while outside the
door, but then joined the family downstairs.
I wish NewCat could understand me when I tell her to turn around and swat
back and Bartleby, and he'll stop it.  He tries this sh*t with the other
cats, and that's what they do.  Instead, she runs under the bed or the desk
and lets him intimidate her.

> It would be very hard to give Marbles up and it would have to be to
> someone I
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> Candace
> (take the litter out before replying by e-mail)

Maybe more room will give Abbey and Scottie and Marbles room to spread out
and each claim their own spots.  I really hope it all works out!
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MacCandace - 10 Oct 2004 19:12 GMT
<< Maybe more room will give Abbey and Scottie and Marbles room to spread out
and each claim their own spots.  I really hope it all works out! >>

Thanks.  Wow, that would be awful to have a cat for 3 years and then feel like
you had to return it.  I do think Marbles might have been happier if someone
else had chosen him and I know Scottie and Abbey would but the deed is done
now.

Candace
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See my cats:
http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

"One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other
than human."  (Loren Eisely)
Karen Chuplis - 10 Oct 2004 18:34 GMT
> << Maybe you can keep him as a foster while the rescue group finds an "only
> cat" home for him.
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> "One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other
> than human."  (Loren Eisely)

I think that's a really big improvement from what you have posted before. I
think time is your key. I really do. And adding the extra room is bound to
help as well.
MacCandace - 10 Oct 2004 19:13 GMT
<< I think that's a really big improvement from what you have posted before. I
think time is your key. I really do. And adding the extra room is bound to
help as well.  >>

I hope so, thanks.

Candace
(take the litter out before replying by e-mail)

See my cats:
http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

"One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other
than human."  (Loren Eisely)
Gail - 10 Oct 2004 16:14 GMT
All are beautiful!!
Gail
>I posted 7 new photos, 3 of my monster kitty, Marbles, who is still
> misbehaving.  He seemed as though he had improved but yesterday he went
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
> other
> than human."  (Loren Eisely)
MacCandace - 10 Oct 2004 19:12 GMT
<< All are beautiful!!
Gail >>

Thanks!

Candace
(take the litter out before replying by e-mail)

See my cats:
http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

"One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other
than human."  (Loren Eisely)
 
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