Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / October 2004
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ceb2 - 09 Oct 2004 21:13 GMT my three guys came home from the hospital last night and their all doing fine as I knew they would be since I saw them postop both Tuesday and Wednesday.
Sherry - 09 Oct 2004 22:20 GMT >my three guys came home from the hospital last night and their all >doing fine as I knew they would be since I saw them postop both >Tuesday and Wednesday. Yes, I do care. It breaks my heart that you've done it, it's irreversable and there's nothing that can be done to undo the damage. However, saying they are "all doing fine" is a bit premature. I truly hope they are.
Sherry
PawsForThought - 10 Oct 2004 01:00 GMT >From: sriddles@aol.comkitty (Sherry )
>>my three guys came home from the hospital last night and their all >>doing fine as I knew they would be since I saw them postop both [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Sherry I hope they're fine too :( I think what these people did is truly disgusting, especially since they knew what declawing entailed.
I know in a previous post, I mentioned that Banfield Hospital seemed familiar. Well I was talking to someone who told me they were out of a Pet Smart. Not only do they push declawing, they also give the FIP vaccine as a matter of course.
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Phil P. - 10 Oct 2004 02:39 GMT > my three guys came home from the hospital last night and their all > doing fine as I knew they would be since I saw them postop both > Tuesday and Wednesday. Doing fine from *your* point of view.
Did you ever wonder *why* cats scratch, or are you normally not that inquisitive? Cats scratch because they *enjoy* it - scratching *feels good*. You took that pleasure away from your cats.
Go here and learn something about cats:
http://maxshouse.com/understanding_scratching.htm
.oO rach Oo. - 10 Oct 2004 03:12 GMT Good to hear your cats are back and in good shape. When my girls came back from their fixing, I bought them a few new toys and a little extra spoiling.
They'll be fine
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> my three guys came home from the hospital last night and their all > doing fine as I knew they would be since I saw them postop both > Tuesday and Wednesday. Mary - 10 Oct 2004 04:16 GMT > Good to hear your cats are back and in good shape. When my girls came back from their fixing, I bought them a few new toys and a little extra spoiling.
> They'll be fine So you also had your cats spayed and declawed at the same time, eh? How did they play with those toys, with their mutilated stumps?
> > my three guys came home from the hospital last night and their all > > doing fine as I knew they would be since I saw them postop both > > Tuesday and Wednesday. MacCandace - 10 Oct 2004 05:04 GMT << So you also had your cats spayed and declawed at the same time, eh? How did they play with those toys, with their mutilated stumps? >>
I think she just meant when she had them "fixed."
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Mary - 10 Oct 2004 05:09 GMT > << So you also had your cats spayed and declawed at the same time, eh? How did > they play with those toys, with their mutilated stumps? >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Candace > (take the litter out before replying by e-mail) Maybe, but that surely isn't what the OP meant.
.oO rach Oo. - 10 Oct 2004 13:14 GMT You're a f.cking moron, Mary.
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>> << So you also had your cats spayed and declawed at the same time, eh? >> How [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> > Maybe, but that surely isn't what the OP meant. Mary - 10 Oct 2004 17:11 GMT > You're a f.cking moron, Mary. Um, right. You bet. Still think the three kittens ceb2 had declawed and spayed at the same time "will be just fine?" I bow to your superior intellect.
.oO rach Oo. - 10 Oct 2004 13:13 GMT I said FIXING That means SO THEY WON'T HAVE KITTENS.
How stupid are you? Is it just reading for comprehension you have trouble with or are you a complete moron?
I can only assume from YOUR statements that you are the kind of pet owner that allows their cats to have multiple litters without thought of who will adopt the kittens. So I ask YOU... how do you feel when you dump yet another load of kittens on the side of the road?
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>> Good to hear your cats are back and in good shape. When my girls came > back from their fixing, I bought them a few new toys and a little extra [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> > doing fine as I knew they would be since I saw them postop both >> > Tuesday and Wednesday. equalizer - 10 Oct 2004 13:51 GMT >I said FIXING >That means SO THEY WON'T HAVE KITTENS. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >adopt the kittens. So I ask YOU... how do you feel when you dump yet another >load of kittens on the side of the road? http://midol.com/
HTH -- EQ
Mary - 10 Oct 2004 17:16 GMT > >I said FIXING > >That means SO THEY WON'T HAVE KITTENS. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > HTH -- EQ heh. If oo baby had a reason to blast me I wouldn't really mind. If I did it would be a clear case of PKB, now wouldn't it?
MaryL - 10 Oct 2004 15:21 GMT >I said FIXING > That means SO THEY WON'T HAVE KITTENS. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > will adopt the kittens. So I ask YOU... how do you feel when you dump yet > another load of kittens on the side of the road? Please read the earlier thread started by ceb2 (called "Cats in Surgery Today"). There, you will find that this surgery included far more than neutering -- they were also declawed. That is the reason for some of the responses you have seen here.
MaryL
Magic Mood Jeep? - 10 Oct 2004 15:21 GMT If you bothered to LOOK, the OP, ceb2, had another thread where he/she stated that the kittens were to be declawed in addition to being spayed/neutered. See the thread entitled "Cats in surgery today", where ceb2 states in the VERY FIRST SENTANCE "We have three 5 month old kittens; Princess Consuela Bananahammock (don't ask), Roxie, and Grizabella. Today, they are all in surgery to get spayed and declawed."
Does this answer your question????? So, does this make YOU feel STUPID????
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>I said FIXING > That means SO THEY WON'T HAVE KITTENS. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >>> > doing fine as I knew they would be since I saw them postop both >>> > Tuesday and Wednesday. .oO rach Oo. - 10 Oct 2004 19:04 GMT If YOU bothered to read what Mary the wonder bitch said to me (accusing me of declawing my cats) then you would understand. IF that is, you don't share her level of stupidity.
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> If you bothered to LOOK, the OP, ceb2, had another thread where he/she > stated that the kittens were to be declawed in addition to being [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >>>> > doing fine as I knew they would be since I saw them postop both >>>> > Tuesday and Wednesday. Mary - 10 Oct 2004 23:43 GMT > If YOU bothered to read what Mary the wonder bitch said to me (accusing me of declawing my cats) then you would understand. IF that is, you don't share her level of stupidity.
I accused you of declawing your cats? Wow. It wasn' t just a momentary lapse. I feel for you.
> > If you bothered to LOOK, the OP, ceb2, had another thread where he/she > > stated that the kittens were to be declawed in addition to being [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > >>>> > doing fine as I knew they would be since I saw them postop both > >>>> > Tuesday and Wednesday. Mary - 10 Oct 2004 17:13 GMT > I said FIXING > That means SO THEY WON'T HAVE KITTENS. > > How stupid are you? Is it just reading for comprehension you have trouble > with or are you a complete moron? <G> I'm pretty stupid. You responded to a poster who has just had THREE KITTENS declawed and spayed at the same time by saying "they will be fine."
> I can only assume from YOUR statements that you are the kind of pet owner that allows their cats to have multiple litters without thought of who will adopt the kittens. So I ask YOU... how do you feel when you dump yet another load of kittens on the side of the road?
Oh, I don't know, everyone needs a hobby. Is there something wrong with dumping kittens?
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> >> Good to hear your cats are back and in good shape. When my girls came > > back from their fixing, I bought them a few new toys and a little extra [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >> > doing fine as I knew they would be since I saw them postop both > >> > Tuesday and Wednesday. MaryL - 10 Oct 2004 15:17 GMT > my three guys came home from the hospital last night and their all > doing fine as I knew they would be since I saw them postop both > Tuesday and Wednesday. Unfortunately, you can't tell if they are "doing fine" at this early stage. Yes, their wounds from the amputation will probably heal quickly. Many declawed cats become active after only a short time. The long-term problems will not be noticeable so quickly -- many declawed cats develop problems with inappropriate urination, biting (their only other defenses have been surgically removed), and physical problems such as arthritis. Far more declawed than clawed cats develop these problems, and they usually develop them at an earlier age. It is now your responsibility to watch for an onset of any of these problems and to do all in your power to help. I adopted a cat who had been declawed. She was a complete angel, and she compensated remarkably well. However, she never did have the same type of coordination that all of my clawed cats have had. At about the age of 12 or 13, she started to urinate outside the litter box. I finally realized that it had become painful for her to dig in the litter box. I located the softest litter I could find (a product called "Better Way"), and that helped. Nevertheless, she urinated outside the box more and more frequently as she aged. I eventually just let her use the one sport on the carpet that she preferred (which kept it contained in one area) and would clean it as best I could. After she died at age 16, I had that section of carpet and padding removed and sealed the concrete underneath. We also had to remove some of the wood tack-stripping that had become saturated with urine.
This little angel -- and she truly deserved that title because she was the dearest, sweetest little cat imaginable -- did not deserve this fate. However, I did all in my power to make it up to her. In turn, she brought incredible joy to my life. I hope you will do the same thing. I hope you will also *never* do what the people who had her declawed did -- they got rid of her (but then I had the great good fortune to adopt her). Unfortunately, a very large number of declawed cats are later dumped (statistics at animal shelters bear this out), and it is often because of problems that were caused by the declawing itself. Thus, when you read complaints from people on this newsgroup, these complaints are not aimed only at the pain of the surgery. That, in itself, would be a valid complaint in my opinion; but when you say they are "doing fine," you apparently are only considering the immediate post-surgery reactions and are not looking into the future at the needs for long-term care. I did read your message concerning your wife and your home. If you ever get another cat, please *immediately* ask people on this newsgroup for specific information on how to train your cat to a scratching post. I have easily trained all of my cats to scratching posts, and I am also able to have beautiful furniture (but...my cats would *easily* outweigh my furniture in balancing the value of what is in my life).
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-L. : - 10 Oct 2004 23:38 GMT > my three guys came home from the hospital last night and their all > doing fine as I knew they would be since I saw them postop both > Tuesday and Wednesday. like I said, have fun cleaning up cat piss from all over your house.
Or when they have regrowth problems, or start biting, or develop arthitis in older age because they cannot walk properly, please come back so we can tell you "I told you so".
-L.
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