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CrimeMonster - 08 Oct 2004 19:42 GMT
last week i bought a pair of siamese from a local pet
store........they are about a month old........male kitten is
fine........but the female kitten is not eatin anything at
all........she is only drinking water all the time........and sleepin

when i take them to garden for playin..........she just walks a lil
and then lays down..........85% of the day she is sleepin....... she
is so week....that she cannot run and play .......she just sits...or
lay down.......

i tried to give her milk.......catfood(tuna fish) cause it`s smell is
strong but it seems that she is not interested in it either

help needed.........cause its my first time with kittens so
small.......
Karen Chuplis - 08 Oct 2004 19:57 GMT
> last week i bought a pair of siamese from a local pet
> store........they are about a month old........male kitten is
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> help needed.........cause its my first time with kittens so
> small.......

If you are not trolling take the cats (both of them) to a vet NOW.
Luvskats00 - 08 Oct 2004 21:19 GMT
hiit_ace@hotmail.com  (CrimeMonster) writes

>last week i bought a pair of >siamese from a local pet
>store....the female kitten is not >eatin anything at
all........she is only drinking water all >the time.

You don't mention if you had an iota of knowlege on cat care. If not, I urge
you to search on google how to raise a healthy Siamese kitten/cat...knowing
what to expect on the behavior of this breed, etc.  Next, a number of cats
coming from breeders or pet stores are sick...The buyers aren't aware of the
illnesses until it's too late.  A kitten needs to eat and drink every day.  If
the kitten isn't eating or drinking it could be a very big warning that the
kitten is sick.  Please take the cat to a vet - not a vet associated with the
one who sold her to you. This will confirm whether the cat is well or if the
cat is sick.  Good luck!
Phil P. - 08 Oct 2004 21:47 GMT
> last week i bought a pair of siamese from a local pet
> store........they are about a month old........male kitten is
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> help needed.........cause its my first time with kittens so
> small.......

Kittens are very vulnerable and need to eat *often*.  Take the kitten to a
vet *immediately*
Rhonda - 09 Oct 2004 04:20 GMT
Those cats are too young to be taken from their mother and probably are
not even weaned. They need to go to the vet right away and see if
something else is wrong (go to an emergency vet.) They also need some
KMR (kitten milk replacement) to feed until they can learn to eat kitten
food.

I can't believe anyone would take kittens away that young. I am in
shock. Your kitten's in trouble -- please let us know tomorrow what the
vet had to say!

Rhonda

> last week i bought a pair of siamese from a local pet
> store........they are about a month old........male kitten is
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> help needed.........cause its my first time with kittens so
> small.......
CrimeMonster - 09 Oct 2004 13:17 GMT
well i think u ppl are right........the vet said the same
thing.............the kittens are too small to be seperated from thier
mother but the mother cat was already sold before i got these kittens
.......

so it would be the same situation if the kittens are wid me or in the
pet shop....
vet suggested me sandoz calcium syrup in the kitten`s food on every
serving.....

and plus one more thing to mention......i m livin in a location where
its really
hard to find a good vet...........so i totally now depend on ur
replies............so plzz help me i m desperately in need of some
good health advice
Rhonda - 09 Oct 2004 17:00 GMT
Do you have a pet supply store near you? A Petco or PetSmart or similar?
They sell Kitten Milk Replacement. Some grocery stores sell it also. Vet
offices should also carry a mile substitute, but sounds like you don't
have many vet resources.

Get some of that right away to feed the kittens. I'd also get a kitten
bottle. You may have to get creative to get the kittens to drink that
KMR. I hope you can get some right away, cow's milk is not the same and
may even harm their digestion.

After they start drinking the milk substitute, there is a KMR formula
called "2nd step," that is a little thicker and helps get them ready to
eat regular food.

If you can't find any KMR, let us know. Maybe someone else here has
another idea for a milk substitute.

After you have the kittens stable, please report that pet shop. Call the
Humane Society and tell them, they will help you find who to report them
to. Also call the pet shop and tell them they almost cost the lives of
the kittens. Were there more kittens there that could be in trouble?
They are either completely inexperienced or completely heartless.

Good luck with your kitties. Let us know how they're doing.

Rhonda

> well i think u ppl are right........the vet said the same
> thing.............the kittens are too small to be seperated from thier
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> replies............so plzz help me i m desperately in need of some
> good health advice
jamie - 09 Oct 2004 21:10 GMT
> Do you have a pet supply store near you? A Petco or PetSmart or similar?
> They sell Kitten Milk Replacement. Some grocery stores sell it also. Vet
> offices should also carry a mile substitute, but sounds like you don't
> have many vet resources.

The OP is posting from somewhere in Italy or Monaco.
Does anyone have a recipe for kitten milk replacement?

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Rhonda - 10 Oct 2004 00:40 GMT
Here are a couple of links for recipes from the web:

http://www.ffgw.org/dynapage/display.php?PageID=98
http://www.provet.co.uk/health/diseases/milkreplacerkittens.htm
http://www.homeatlastrescue.org/html/aboutcats/kittencare.html

The last link had this, read the whole link for instructions:

       Emergency Recipe
    * 2/3 cup homogenized whole milk
    * 3 raw egg yolks
    * 1 tablespoon corn oil
    * 1 dropper pediatric liquid vitamins

Rhonda

>>Do you have a pet supply store near you? A Petco or PetSmart or similar?
>>They sell Kitten Milk Replacement. Some grocery stores sell it also. Vet
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> The OP is posting from somewhere in Italy or Monaco.
> Does anyone have a recipe for kitten milk replacement?
CrimeMonster - 11 Oct 2004 06:13 GMT
My kitty was not able to make it.........she died last night.........i
searched the whole city but was not able to get KMR or milk
replacement.........i tried to force feed her........used the
emergency recipe.....but it didn`t worked out with her..........she
was lyin on all day.....and the local vet(not a cat specialist) gave
her milk through tube..........but the kitty was so weak that she was
unable to stand on her feet.......

i am ashamed of myslef being unsuccessful to save the kitten.........i
m now left wid the male kitten..........he is Ok .......or seems to be
ok...........so before he gets into any trouble.......i want you guys
to help me take care of him.........

wat are other possibilties if i cannot get any KMR or milk replacement
to feed the kitten wid.........

i will try to find a cat specialist here as soon as
possible............which seems to be really difficult .........

till then i am relyin on u ppl

u r my last hope
MacCandace - 11 Oct 2004 06:28 GMT
<< My kitty was not able to make it.........she died last night...... >>

Oh, no, I'm very sorry about the poor baby, how sad.  I'm sorry, I know nothing
about raising small kittens but someone else here will help you.

Candace
(take the litter out before replying by e-mail)

See my cats:
http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

"One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other
than human."  (Loren Eisely)
Sherry - 11 Oct 2004 06:33 GMT
>i am ashamed of myslef being unsuccessful to save the kitten.........i
>m now left wid the male kitten..........he is Ok .......or seems to be
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>u r my last hope

I"m very sorry about the kitten.
What did the vet say was wrong with the kitten?
You don't have to have a cat specialist if your city doesn't have one.  Any
vet's care is better than nothing. Four week old kittens die for many reasons.
Flea anemia and coccidia are two common ones. You need to find out what was
ailing the first kitten to protect the second one.
KMR will help the kitten, and it really needs it, but it's not going to save
it's life. You need a diagnosis on the first one.
It's odd that you can't find any KMR. Even Wal Mart carries a replacement
formula, although it isn't KMR brand. Vets here always have it.
In the meantime, make sure the kitten is eating good, wet kitten  food and
drinking water.

Sherry

Sherry
Mary - 11 Oct 2004 06:35 GMT
> My kitty was not able to make it.........she died last night.........i
> searched the whole city but was not able to get KMR or milk
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> u r my last hope

Take the kitten to a vet. What is the problem?
Sherry - 11 Oct 2004 06:41 GMT
>> My kitty was not able to make it.........she died last night.........i
>> searched the whole city but was not able to get KMR or milk
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
>Take the kitten to a vet. What is the problem?

I hope I'm not biting troll bait. But the OP said he/she took the sick one to
the vet and he force-fed it milk. That's why I'm also fuzzy on the "u r my last
hope."
There was a poster who once sent me an extensive list of helpful hints on
raising baby orphans. I'd be glad to dig it up and e-mail the poster if he/she
wants me to.
Sherry
Mary - 11 Oct 2004 06:48 GMT
> >> My kitty was not able to make it.........she died last night.........i
> >> searched the whole city but was not able to get KMR or milk
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> wants me to.
> Sherry

Sherry--I am not suggesting he is a troll, but tomorrow is Monday, one of
the kittens has died, and it seems the most logical thing to do is to get
the other in to the vet, right?
Sherry - 11 Oct 2004 07:00 GMT
>Sherry--I am not suggesting he is a troll, but tomorrow is Monday, one of
>the kittens has died, and it seems the most logical thing to do is to get
>the other in to the vet, right?

Oh yeah, absolutely, I think so too. I just can't figure out why, if the first
kitten was taken to the vet for force-feeding, there wasn't suggestions for a
preventive treatment plan for the "well" kitten offered by the vet. Or even a
guess as to what was ailing the sick kitten. I've also never known a vet that
didn't stock KMR.
Sherry
MacCandace - 11 Oct 2004 07:06 GMT
<< Or even a
guess as to what was ailing the sick kitten. I've also never known a vet that
didn't stock KMR.
Sherry >>

I thought this poster was in another country...other than the US, I mean.
Somewhere where vets aren't that plentiful.

Candace
(take the litter out before replying by e-mail)

See my cats:
http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

"One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other
than human."  (Loren Eisely)
Sherry - 11 Oct 2004 07:12 GMT
><< Or even a
>guess as to what was ailing the sick kitten. I've also never known a vet that
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>Candace

Oh, color me wrong then. I forget that sometimes.

Sherry
Karen Chuplis - 12 Oct 2004 02:42 GMT
>> << Or even a
>> guess as to what was ailing the sick kitten. I've also never known a vet that
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Sherry

Yes, I believe they are in Serbia. Not exactly pet country.
Mary - 11 Oct 2004 16:53 GMT
> Oh yeah, absolutely, I think so too. I just can't figure out > why, if the
first kitten was taken to the vet for force-
> feeding, there wasn't suggestions for a preventive >treatment plan for the
"well" kitten offered by the vet. Or >even a guess as to what was ailing the
sick kitten. I've >also never known a vet that didn't stock KMR.
> Sherry

Point taken. It didn't make sense to me either.
Phil P. - 11 Oct 2004 06:55 GMT
> My kitty was not able to make it.........she died last night.........i
> searched the whole city but was not able to get KMR or milk
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> u r my last hope

If you can't find a feline specialist, a general small animal practioner
will suffice.

Here's some basic information that should help:

http://maxshouse.com/kitten_care.htm#Newborn%20Kittens

Buy yourself a good basic car care book such as the Cornell Book of Cats.

I'm sorry about your kitten - It really breaks my heart when a little one
dies so young.
Luvskats00 - 11 Oct 2004 08:10 GMT
I'm so sorry to hear about the kitty. You did what you could to save her. .
CrimeMonster - 11 Oct 2004 17:52 GMT
ok here is the update of my male kitten........

i atlast found a vet who is not a feline specialist but had a good
experience wid cats.......so he checked the kitten.......and gave him
two injections......said that the kitten is havin temperature.....plus
some internal infection......also the cat is suffering from
dehydration....

so for the infection he gave me an antibiotic
....penbritin(ampicillin) drops
65 mg 3 times a day for five days

and for dehydration.....he suggested me to give from a dropper
125 mg a mixture containing:
1 glass of water
1 tsp glaxose D
and half pinch of salt

for the temperature....now i am keeping my on a heating pad (set to
low)covered by two towels

one more thing to mention here ....... the vet said its not possible
to find any KMR here as i said it before.....he also suggested me to
give cat chicken soup twice a day.....

so is there anything you guys wanna add to it ? .......cause i can`t
lose this kitten...... i cannot lose any chance to save my kitten
Mary - 11 Oct 2004 18:13 GMT
> ok here is the update of my male kitten........
>
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> so is there anything you guys wanna add to it ? .......cause i can`t
> lose this kitten...... i cannot lose any chance to save my kitten

Where are you?
Karen Chuplis - 12 Oct 2004 02:46 GMT
>> ok here is the update of my male kitten........
>>
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
> Where are you?

This person is in SERBIA. Posted ages ago when first posting. No Walmarts.

To the OP, I suggest that you make the chicken broth if you can yourself so
that it is not too salty. Do you know any farmers? Something like goats
milk, which is easily digestable and easier on tummies might work better and
you can freeze it and thaw it.  I wish I knew more about baby kittens.
Hopefully you can see Phil's page. We are so spoiled being able to go out
and buy anything that a kitty like that would need. Please hang in there.
Mary - 12 Oct 2004 04:16 GMT
> >> ok here is the update of my male kitten........
> >>
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> >
> This person is in SERBIA. Posted ages ago when first posting. No Walmarts.

NO, this person is not. The Serbian poster, BytE (maytreex@phreaker.net)
posted about a kitten bleeding from the mouth on October 1. This poster is
CrimeMonster" <hiit_ace@hotmail.com, who has not indentified where he or she
lives.
Mary - 12 Oct 2004 05:33 GMT
> >> ok here is the update of my male kitten........
> >>
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> >
> This person is in SERBIA. Posted ages ago when first posting. No Walmarts.

The headers say Australia.

203.175.97.34

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Address:    PO Box 2131
City:       Milton
StateProv:  QLD
PostalCode: 4064
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Schroedinger's Cat - 12 Oct 2004 14:08 GMT
> > >> ok here is the update of my male kitten........

<snippage>
> > >> one more thing to mention here ....... the vet said its not possible
> > >> to find any KMR here as i said it before.....he also suggested me to
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> PostalCode: 4064
> Country:    AU

<snippage>

Well, if this person is in Australia they can get on the Vet Products
Direct site:  www.vetproductsdirect.com.au which sells practically
everything including kitten milk replacer and they are based in QLD
(Queensland) which appears to be where the OP may be from (actually I
just tried the site but it didn't seem to load, however their
toll-free number is 1300 650 607).  Or they can try
www.healthy-bird.com (based in SA but ship by courier all over
Australia, phone number is 0419 849 192) who also sell a range of baby
animal milk replacers including kitten milk.  I am sure both of these
places would send out a bag of Wombaroo kitten milk by courier if
necessary (I have found the Wombaroo much better as it is
cat-specific, whereas the other product often recommended,
Di-Vetelact, is not especially formulated for kittens and can cause
the squits).  Mind you, a vet in QLD should know all of this!
Actually, another site is www.biolac.com.au - they make a really good
kitten milk replacer and are based in NSW which is closer to QLD.
Their phone number is:  (02) 9823-9874.  All these places sell feeding
kits as well, I think.  But any good metropolitan vet should have all
this so if the OP is out bush they could ring a city vet and get the
gear sent out to them.  Or I can do it, if they send me their address!
(I am a Siamese cat-addict so I'll do anything for them!)

HTH,
Catherine
CrimeMonster - 12 Oct 2004 16:04 GMT
Well i am from Pakistan .........city karachi........i know there are
not a lot of ppl participating from pakistan in these
groups..........actually there are very lil ppl who own a pet
here..........

thats y its so hard to find any pet shop.........vet........and other
stuff for any pet........

but i am sure.......as the ppl are getting interested in cats from
last 2 to 3 years soon there will be a pet shop and pet care center in
every street

then a pet owner don`t have face such problems as i am facing these
days
Mary - 12 Oct 2004 16:23 GMT
> Well i am from Pakistan .........city karachi........i know there are not
a lot of ppl participating from pakistan in these groups..........actually
there are very lil ppl who own a pet here..........

> thats y its so hard to find any pet shop.........vet........and other
stuff for any pet........

> but i am sure.......as the ppl are getting interested in cats from last 2
to 3 years soon there will be a pet shop and pet care center in every street

> then a pet owner don`t have face such problems as i am facing these days

I see. That makes sense. How is the baby kitten?
Sherry - 12 Oct 2004 23:15 GMT
>Well i am from Pakistan .........city karachi........i know there are
>not a lot of ppl participating from pakistan in these
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>then a pet owner don`t have face such problems as i am facing these
>days

I understand. I am sorry for first doubting the sincerity of your post. Hope
the kitten does well and doesn't get sick. How is it today?

Sherry
 
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