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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / October 2004Bad kitty
Bad kitty-I have a 1 1/2 year old declawed male neutered cat that I've had for about a year. It attacks me, biting hard, briing blood. I can't get him to stop. I've tried spraying with water, swatting with a single sheet of newspaper, yelling, etc. PLease give me an idea how to reform him. I'm about ready to give up. Thanks Desperate Cat Owner > Bad kitty-I have a 1 1/2 year old declawed male neutered cat that I've > had for about a year. It attacks me, biting hard, briing blood. I can't > get him to stop. I've tried spraying with water, swatting with a single > sheet of newspaper, yelling, etc. PLease give me an idea how to reform > him. I'm about ready to give up. Thanks Desperate Cat Owner When does he bite? Is this something that happens when you're petting him or does it seem out of the blue? W > Bad kitty-I have a 1 1/2 year old declawed male neutered cat that I've had for about a year. It attacks me, biting hard, briing blood. I can't get him to stop. I've tried spraying with water, swatting with a single sheet of newspaper, yelling, etc. PLease give me an idea how to reform him. I'm about ready to give up. Thanks Desperate Cat Owner He bites because he is declawed and feels defenseless. You can train him not to bite, but it will take some effort. First, what are you doing when he bites you? >> Bad kitty-I have a 1 1/2 year old declawed male neutered cat that I've had >for about a year. It attacks me, biting hard, briing blood. I can't get him [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >to bite, but it will take some effort. First, what are you doing when he >bites you? the biting could also be the only way he thinks he can get attention. Shaina bites when she is hungry and i am not delivering food fast enough. she doesnt' bite hard at all. she also bites when she is being handled when she doesn't want to. it only takes one or two times to say "SHAINA", make a scary face and point at her, for her to stop. she has her claws, but she never uses them on us. -L "Belief in the supernatural reflects a failure of the imagination." "A good philosopher is one who does not take ideas seriously." "If the world is irrational, we can never know it--either it or its irrationality." "Humility is a virtue when you have no other." "The more fantastic an ideology or theology, the more fanatic are its adherents." "The missionaries go forth to Christianize the savages--as if the savages weren't dangerous enough already." "If the end does not justify the means--what can?" "Reason has seldom failed us because it has seldom been tried." "Is there a God? Who knows? Is there an angry unicorn on the dark side of the moon?" "Whatever we cannot easily understand we call God; this saves much wear and tear on the brain tissues." "Christian theology: nothing so grotesque could possibly be true." "Only a fool is astonished by the foolishness of mankind." "I hate intellectual discussion. When I hear the words `phenomenology' or `structuralism', I reach for my buck knife." "When I hear the word `culture', I reach for my checkbook." "From the point of view of a tapeworm, man was created by God to serve the appetite of the tapeworm." "What's the difference between the Lone Ranger and God? There really is a Lone Ranger." "What did Jesus say to the headwaiter at the Last Supper? `Separate checks, please.'" "Every analysis leaves a residue of the unknown; this we call God or Karma or--depending on time and place--the UFO. (Unidentified f.cking Object)." "Every man has two vocations: his own and philosophy." "Through logic and inference we can prove anything. Therefore, logic and inference, in contrast to ordinary daily living experience, are secondary instruments of knowledge. Probably tertiary." "Proverbs save us the trouble of thinking. What we call folk wisdom is often no more than a kind of expedient stupidity." "Appearance *versus* reality? Appearance *is* reality, God damn it!" "In both metaphysics and art, honesty is the best policy. Keep it clean." "Mormonism: Nothing so hilarious could possibly be true. Or all bad." "Nothing could be more reckless than to base one's moral philosophy on the latest pronouncements of science." "My cousin Elroy spent seven years as an IBM taper staring at THINK signs on the walls before he finally got a good idea: He quit." "My computer tells me that in twenty-five years there will be no more computers." "We are all ONE, say the gurus. Aye, I might agree--but one WHAT?" "Fantastic doctrines (like Christianity or Islam or Marxism) require unanimity of belief. One dissenter casts doubt on the creed of millions. Thus the fear and the hate; thus the torture chamber, the iron stake, the gallows, the labor camp, the psychiatric ward." "God is love? Not bloody likely." "Metaphysics is a cobweb that the mind weaves around things." "The world is older and bigger than we are. This is a hard truth for some folks to swallow." "When the philosopher's argument becomes tedious, complicated, and opaque, it is usually a sign that he is attempting to prove as true to the intellect what is plainly false to common sense. But men of intellect will believe anything-- if it appeals to their ego, their vanity, their sense of self-importance." "What ideal, immutable Platonic cloud could equal the beauty and perfection of any ordinary everyday cloud floating over, say, Tuba City, Arizona, on a hot day in June?" "Zen: the sound of the ax chopping. Chopping logic." "The function of an ideal is not to be realized but, like that of the North Star, to serve as a guiding point." "This world may be only illusion--but it's the only illusion we've got." "Is a mirage real? Well, it's a real mirage." "Truth is merely common sense, say the naive realist. Really? Then where, precisely, is the location of--a rainbow? In the air? In the eye? In between? Or somewhere else?" > >> Bad kitty-I have a 1 1/2 year old declawed male neutered cat that I've had > >for about a year. It attacks me, biting hard, briing blood. I can't get him [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > times to say "SHAINA", make a scary face and point at her, for her to > stop. she has her claws, but she never uses them on us. I think "Teddy's" talking about serious, aggressive biting (the kind Hodge does). It breaks the skin and draws blood, and if I hadn't gotten pretty good at handling him, he wouldn't let go. Not nipping to get attention at all.  Signaturehttp://www.mindspring.com/~slywy/ > > >> Bad kitty-I have a 1 1/2 year old declawed male neutered cat that I've had > > >for about a year. It attacks me, biting hard, briing blood. I can't get him [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > pretty good at handling him, he wouldn't let go. Not nipping to get > attention at all. That's what I was wondering about. There is a big difference between the biting when your playing/petting a cat and the sneak attacks for no apparent reason. I'd be interested in any experiences with the sneak attacker and any suggestions to stop the behavior. >He bites because he is declawed and feels defenseless. You can train him not >to bite, but it will take some effort. First, what are you doing when he >bites you? oh, speaking of biting, my little fuzzy has new canines. she looked like a little kitten vampire when her upper canines were changing. she had 2 kitten canines and 2 cat canines coming in. -L "Belief in the supernatural reflects a failure of the imagination." "A good philosopher is one who does not take ideas seriously." "If the world is irrational, we can never know it--either it or its irrationality." "Humility is a virtue when you have no other." "The more fantastic an ideology or theology, the more fanatic are its adherents." "The missionaries go forth to Christianize the savages--as if the savages weren't dangerous enough already." "If the end does not justify the means--what can?" "Reason has seldom failed us because it has seldom been tried." "Is there a God? Who knows? Is there an angry unicorn on the dark side of the moon?" "Whatever we cannot easily understand we call God; this saves much wear and tear on the brain tissues." "Christian theology: nothing so grotesque could possibly be true." "Only a fool is astonished by the foolishness of mankind." "I hate intellectual discussion. When I hear the words `phenomenology' or `structuralism', I reach for my buck knife." "When I hear the word `culture', I reach for my checkbook." "From the point of view of a tapeworm, man was created by God to serve the appetite of the tapeworm." "What's the difference between the Lone Ranger and God? There really is a Lone Ranger." "What did Jesus say to the headwaiter at the Last Supper? `Separate checks, please.'" "Every analysis leaves a residue of the unknown; this we call God or Karma or--depending on time and place--the UFO. (Unidentified f.cking Object)." "Every man has two vocations: his own and philosophy." "Through logic and inference we can prove anything. Therefore, logic and inference, in contrast to ordinary daily living experience, are secondary instruments of knowledge. Probably tertiary." "Proverbs save us the trouble of thinking. What we call folk wisdom is often no more than a kind of expedient stupidity." "Appearance *versus* reality? Appearance *is* reality, God damn it!" "In both metaphysics and art, honesty is the best policy. Keep it clean." "Mormonism: Nothing so hilarious could possibly be true. Or all bad." "Nothing could be more reckless than to base one's moral philosophy on the latest pronouncements of science." "My cousin Elroy spent seven years as an IBM taper staring at THINK signs on the walls before he finally got a good idea: He quit." "My computer tells me that in twenty-five years there will be no more computers." "We are all ONE, say the gurus. Aye, I might agree--but one WHAT?" "Fantastic doctrines (like Christianity or Islam or Marxism) require unanimity of belief. One dissenter casts doubt on the creed of millions. Thus the fear and the hate; thus the torture chamber, the iron stake, the gallows, the labor camp, the psychiatric ward." "God is love? Not bloody likely." "Metaphysics is a cobweb that the mind weaves around things." "The world is older and bigger than we are. This is a hard truth for some folks to swallow." "When the philosopher's argument becomes tedious, complicated, and opaque, it is usually a sign that he is attempting to prove as true to the intellect what is plainly false to common sense. But men of intellect will believe anything-- if it appeals to their ego, their vanity, their sense of self-importance." "What ideal, immutable Platonic cloud could equal the beauty and perfection of any ordinary everyday cloud floating over, say, Tuba City, Arizona, on a hot day in June?" "Zen: the sound of the ax chopping. Chopping logic." "The function of an ideal is not to be realized but, like that of the North Star, to serve as a guiding point." "This world may be only illusion--but it's the only illusion we've got." "Is a mirage real? Well, it's a real mirage." "Truth is merely common sense, say the naive realist. Really? Then where, precisely, is the location of--a rainbow? In the air? In the eye? In between? Or somewhere else?" << "Truth is merely common sense, say the naive realist. Really? Then where, precisely, is the location of--a rainbow? In the air? In the eye? In between? Or somewhere else?" >> You sure have a loooooooong sig line. Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail) See my cats: http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace "One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other than human." (Loren Eisely) << First, what are you doing when he bites you? >> She said...she smacks him, sprays him, and yells at him. So she not only mutilated him, she continues to abuse him. I'd say "troll," but it seems as though this person has posted here previously. I don't care enough to Google them, though. Quit abusing your cat. None of the punishments you are inflicting on him will be effective to stop him from biting and will only make him fear and resent you even more. You hurt this cat by declawing him, now stop doing more of it to him and learn to effectively train him. I don't know how, I never mutilated a cat. Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail) See my cats: http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace "One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other than human." (Loren Eisely) > So she not only > mutilated him, she continues to abuse him. She didn't say she declawed him; she may have gotten him that way, just as I got Hodge that way. I wouldn't assume. Signaturehttp://www.mindspring.com/~slywy/ Do the arithmatic > Do the arithmatic To whom are you replying? "Do the arithmetic" was for MacCandace. If I had the 1 1/2 year old cat for a year how could I be blamed for declawing him? > "Do the arithmetic" was for MacCandace. If I had the 1 1/2 year old cat for a year how could I be blamed for declawing him? Ahhh. I see. << "Do the arithmetic" was for MacCandace. If I had the 1 1/2 year old cat for a year how could I be blamed for declawing him? >> Well, maybe you couldn't, although I imagine one could declaw a cat at 6 months of age (do the math). I don't even remember the particulars of the original post, that was awhile ago. I'm glad *you* didn't get him declawed, though. Too bad someone else did. Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail) See my cats: http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace "One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other than human." (Loren Eisely) "Mary" crazyaboutfelines@yahoo.com writes >He bites because he is declawed >and feels defenseless. You can train him not >to bite, but it will take some effort. >First, what are you doing when he >bites you? Wow...you have a sterling career ahead of you. Without getting a history of the cat...without interacting with the cat, you give a blanket diagnosis. Wow...what a genius! Let me know when your book comes out. While I'm not a fan of declaw as a regular procedure, there are thousands of cats who do NOT bite after being declawed...no need to start a 100-post thread about anti-declaw sentiments...that's been done backwards, forwards, sideways, up & down. This is simply about the fact that you DO NOT know why the cat is biting. It could be that the cat started as a kitten and was disciplined improperly, it could be due to the declaw, it could be a hundred other reasons. >> Bad kitty-I have a 1 1/2 year old declawed male neutered cat that I've had >for about a year. It attacks me, biting hard, briing blood. I can't get him [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >to bite, but it will take some effort. First, what are you doing when he >bites you? I notice my cats will bite for different reasons - Catfive is the only one who drew blood and required a doctors attention - but I still feel he was abused by who every had him first, and the only person he has bitten is my daughter who won't stop annoying him when he has had it. I can do anything to him and he would never bite me, he has never offered to bite the vet either. He will also grab your legs when you walking and nibble your ankle for a belly rub - but never does this hard. Lucifer likes to five toes love bites if she sees them naked.... and purrs up a storm prior to the love bite. Miss thang play bites and makes like she is an angry tiger but she is all noise and no real teeth pressure. Lancelot also playfully nibbles but never any pressure. and all I have to do is say Ouch loud and he runs to a corner. Karryl http://www.i-love-cats.com/meow/soft63389/index.htm > Bad kitty-I have a 1 1/2 year old declawed male neutered cat that I've P.S.--Kitty is not "bad." The Nazi a.s who declawed Kitty, on the other hand, is worse than bad. > > Bad kitty-I have a 1 1/2 year old declawed male neutered cat that I've > > P.S.--Kitty is not "bad." The Nazi a.s who declawed Kitty, on the other > hand, is worse than bad. I wonder if that's why Hodge bites, or if he bit and clawed when he had claws, and that's why his previous owner had him declawed. (They abandoned him.) It's hard to tell without the history. Signaturehttp://www.mindspring.com/~slywy/ >> > Bad kitty-I have a 1 1/2 year old declawed male neutered cat that I've >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >claws, and that's why his previous owner had him declawed. (They >abandoned him.) It's hard to tell without the history. he probably damaged the furniture. we had 3 adult cats. two are at my parents home, one we had to give up when we moved from the Ukraine. none of them scratched us ever because we trained them as kittens not to. it took literally no time. the swat, which is fine. only one of them bites, but very lightly, mostly to scare. their kittens, which were many, never scratched either. Shaina, my kitten, never scratched. she bites occasionally, but lightly and stops when told to. is it really that common that when people get kittens, they can't train the little kittens not to scratch? -L "Belief in the supernatural reflects a failure of the imagination." "A good philosopher is one who does not take ideas seriously." "If the world is irrational, we can never know it--either it or its irrationality." "Humility is a virtue when you have no other." "The more fantastic an ideology or theology, the more fanatic are its adherents." "The missionaries go forth to Christianize the savages--as if the savages weren't dangerous enough already." "If the end does not justify the means--what can?" "Reason has seldom failed us because it has seldom been tried." "Is there a God? Who knows? Is there an angry unicorn on the dark side of the moon?" "Whatever we cannot easily understand we call God; this saves much wear and tear on the brain tissues." "Christian theology: nothing so grotesque could possibly be true." "Only a fool is astonished by the foolishness of mankind." "I hate intellectual discussion. When I hear the words `phenomenology' or `structuralism', I reach for my buck knife." "When I hear the word `culture', I reach for my checkbook." "From the point of view of a tapeworm, man was created by God to serve the appetite of the tapeworm." "What's the difference between the Lone Ranger and God? There really is a Lone Ranger." "What did Jesus say to the headwaiter at the Last Supper? `Separate checks, please.'" "Every analysis leaves a residue of the unknown; this we call God or Karma or--depending on time and place--the UFO. (Unidentified f.cking Object)." "Every man has two vocations: his own and philosophy." "Through logic and inference we can prove anything. Therefore, logic and inference, in contrast to ordinary daily living experience, are secondary instruments of knowledge. Probably tertiary." "Proverbs save us the trouble of thinking. What we call folk wisdom is often no more than a kind of expedient stupidity." "Appearance *versus* reality? Appearance *is* reality, God damn it!" "In both metaphysics and art, honesty is the best policy. Keep it clean." "Mormonism: Nothing so hilarious could possibly be true. Or all bad." "Nothing could be more reckless than to base one's moral philosophy on the latest pronouncements of science." "My cousin Elroy spent seven years as an IBM taper staring at THINK signs on the walls before he finally got a good idea: He quit." "My computer tells me that in twenty-five years there will be no more computers." "We are all ONE, say the gurus. Aye, I might agree--but one WHAT?" "Fantastic doctrines (like Christianity or Islam or Marxism) require unanimity of belief. One dissenter casts doubt on the creed of millions. Thus the fear and the hate; thus the torture chamber, the iron stake, the gallows, the labor camp, the psychiatric ward." "God is love? Not bloody likely." "Metaphysics is a cobweb that the mind weaves around things." "The world is older and bigger than we are. This is a hard truth for some folks to swallow." "When the philosopher's argument becomes tedious, complicated, and opaque, it is usually a sign that he is attempting to prove as true to the intellect what is plainly false to common sense. But men of intellect will believe anything-- if it appeals to their ego, their vanity, their sense of self-importance." "What ideal, immutable Platonic cloud could equal the beauty and perfection of any ordinary everyday cloud floating over, say, Tuba City, Arizona, on a hot day in June?" "Zen: the sound of the ax chopping. Chopping logic." "The function of an ideal is not to be realized but, like that of the North Star, to serve as a guiding point." "This world may be only illusion--but it's the only illusion we've got." "Is a mirage real? Well, it's a real mirage." "Truth is merely common sense, say the naive realist. Really? Then where, precisely, is the location of--a rainbow? In the air? In the eye? In between? Or somewhere else?" Laila orlies@hotmail.com writes >"..the swat, which is fine" I'd try that after every other method was exhausted..first, the positive ways to change behavior. >Laila orlies@hotmail.com writes >>"..the swat, which is fine" > >I'd try that after every other method was exhausted..first, the positive ways >to change behavior. no, no she swats at me. lol, i don't hit her! -L "Belief in the supernatural reflects a failure of the imagination." "A good philosopher is one who does not take ideas seriously." "If the world is irrational, we can never know it--either it or its irrationality." "Humility is a virtue when you have no other." "The more fantastic an ideology or theology, the more fanatic are its adherents." "The missionaries go forth to Christianize the savages--as if the savages weren't dangerous enough already." "If the end does not justify the means--what can?" "Reason has seldom failed us because it has seldom been tried." "Is there a God? Who knows? Is there an angry unicorn on the dark side of the moon?" "Whatever we cannot easily understand we call God; this saves much wear and tear on the brain tissues." "Christian theology: nothing so grotesque could possibly be true." "Only a fool is astonished by the foolishness of mankind." "I hate intellectual discussion. When I hear the words `phenomenology' or `structuralism', I reach for my buck knife." "When I hear the word `culture', I reach for my checkbook." "From the point of view of a tapeworm, man was created by God to serve the appetite of the tapeworm." "What's the difference between the Lone Ranger and God? There really is a Lone Ranger." "What did Jesus say to the headwaiter at the Last Supper? `Separate checks, please.'" "Every analysis leaves a residue of the unknown; this we call God or Karma or--depending on time and place--the UFO. (Unidentified f.cking Object)." "Every man has two vocations: his own and philosophy." "Through logic and inference we can prove anything. Therefore, logic and inference, in contrast to ordinary daily living experience, are secondary instruments of knowledge. Probably tertiary." "Proverbs save us the trouble of thinking. What we call folk wisdom is often no more than a kind of expedient stupidity." "Appearance *versus* reality? Appearance *is* reality, God damn it!" "In both metaphysics and art, honesty is the best policy. Keep it clean." "Mormonism: Nothing so hilarious could possibly be true. Or all bad." "Nothing could be more reckless than to base one's moral philosophy on the latest pronouncements of science." "My cousin Elroy spent seven years as an IBM taper staring at THINK signs on the walls before he finally got a good idea: He quit." "My computer tells me that in twenty-five years there will be no more computers." "We are all ONE, say the gurus. Aye, I might agree--but one WHAT?" "Fantastic doctrines (like Christianity or Islam or Marxism) require unanimity of belief. One dissenter casts doubt on the creed of millions. Thus the fear and the hate; thus the torture chamber, the iron stake, the gallows, the labor camp, the psychiatric ward." "God is love? Not bloody likely." "Metaphysics is a cobweb that the mind weaves around things." "The world is older and bigger than we are. This is a hard truth for some folks to swallow." "When the philosopher's argument becomes tedious, complicated, and opaque, it is usually a sign that he is attempting to prove as true to the intellect what is plainly false to common sense. But men of intellect will believe anything-- if it appeals to their ego, their vanity, their sense of self-importance." "What ideal, immutable Platonic cloud could equal the beauty and perfection of any ordinary everyday cloud floating over, say, Tuba City, Arizona, on a hot day in June?" "Zen: the sound of the ax chopping. Chopping logic." "The function of an ideal is not to be realized but, like that of the North Star, to serve as a guiding point." "This world may be only illusion--but it's the only illusion we've got." "Is a mirage real? Well, it's a real mirage." "Truth is merely common sense, say the naive realist. Really? Then where, precisely, is the location of--a rainbow? In the air? In the eye? In between? Or somewhere else?" >>Laila orlies@hotmail.com writes >>>"..the swat, which is fine" [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > >"Truth is merely common sense, say the naive realist. Really? Then where, precisely, is the location of--a rainbow? In the air? In the eye? In between? Or somewhere else?" >>Laila orlies@hotmail.com writes >>>"..the swat, which is fine" [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >no, no she swats at me. lol, i don't hit her! -L >no, no she swats at me. lol, i don't >hit her! For Lords sake...don't you see what an opportunity you have. Start that volleyball or tennis camp for cats! lol >>no, no she swats at me. lol, i don't >hit her! > >For Lords sake...don't you see what an opportunity you have. Start that >volleyball or tennis camp for cats! lol lol she would make a good soccer player too! you should see her with a crumpled ball of paper. and she jumps 5 times her height. -L > >no, no she swats at me. lol, i don't >hit her! > > For Lords sake...don't you see what an opportunity you have. Start that > volleyball or tennis camp for cats! lol Jesus you are a moron. lol indeed. Ah Mary....get some anger management therapy and take your meds...then, try to interact with the human race again. The person who posted the text about her cat swatting and I are just fine, thank you. Obviously, you are so screwed up you actually look for posts so you can spew your inane AND insane rants. Maybe if you pray, God will help you..you are so lost. > Ah Mary....get some anger management therapy and take your meds...then, try to > interact with the human race again. The person who posted the text about her > cat swatting and I are just fine, thank you. Obviously, you are so screwed up > you actually look for posts so you can spew your inane AND insane rants. Maybe > if you pray, God will help you..you are so lost. Heh. Righto. :) "Mary" crazyaboutfelines@yahoo.com writes >Kitty is not "bad." The Nazi a.s >who declawed Kitty, on the other >hand, is worse than bad. Don't let the fact that thousands of cats don't bite and draw blood after a declaw get in your way of responding, now! <not a fan of declaw as a regular procedure>. >From: luvskats00@aol.com (Luvskats00) >"Mary" crazyaboutfelines@yahoo.com writes > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >declaw get in your way of responding, now! <not a fan of declaw as a regular >procedure>. Let's see "not a fan" In other words, you support mutilating cats. ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecatjournal.com/articles/claws.htm > >From: luvskats00@aol.com (Luvskats00) > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Let's see "not a fan" In other words, you support mutilating cats. > ________ Precisely. Because there might be one that does not display any behavioral problems that bother humans, never mind the fact that the procedure is mutilation, plain and simple. If it doesn't bother the humans, what is the big deal? Sheesh, you cat people. ;) "Mary" crazyaboutfelines@yahoo.com writes >" Because there might be one that >does not display any behavioral >problems that bother humans.." <snicker> It would have been better for you if you didn't just pick "one" out of your a**. I have posted 20+ posts here in at least six months stating: that if a person has tried every other option...every other option...EVERY OTHER OPTION, and is left with the choices of 1) wearing oven mitts and protective gear when near the cat or 2) surrendering the cat to the shelter (and many are kill shelters) where the cat will wait for an adoption that may or may not come OR, be put down. A declaw versus a long-term existence in a cage/death. No contest. That's my position....Not every person who has faced this option will spend months looking for a home or hire a professional to ensure a behavior change or will be willing to tolerate this behavior. That's the way life is. For those who complain about their furniture right out of the box...no, declaw isn't the answer. If I were you (if you live in the USA) I would write in protest to the AMVA and lobby for the organization to change their position on declaw. http://www.consumeraffairs.com/pets/claws03.html ><snicker> It would have been better for you if you didn't just pick "one" out >of your a**. I have posted 20+ posts here in at least six months stating: >that >if a person has tried every other option...every other option...EVERY OTHER >OPTION, and is left with the choices of 1) wearing oven mitts and protective >gear when near the cat I'm sure our European posters are laughing their a.ses off at you. You believe that sh.t you post? Sherry arnit7@aol.comnolitter writes awriteny writes >Don't let the fact that thousands of >cats don't bite and draw blood >after a declaw get in your way of >responding, now! <not a fan of >declaw as a regular procedure>. >>Let's see "not a fan" In other >>words, you support mutilating >>cats. I do not support declawing as a routine procedure..not at all. A significant number of people, it seems, do get a kitten/cat without having any clue as to how to care for the cat....how to modify behavior...consulting a vet when a cat doesn't eat, drink or go to the box..etc. Many clueless and lazy people schedule a declaw along with a spay/neuter. This particular group had no idea that it wouldn't be necessary to do the declaw. However, if a person has tried everything (patience/training/behavior modification, softpaws, sprays, trimming the nails, etc.) and the cat scratches causing a breaking of the skin/bleeding, then it might be the only way. If the choice, by that time, is to declaw or bring the cat to the shelter (gambling that someone would come to adopt the cat and not have the cat languishing in a cage for another year or more). >However, if a person has tried >everything (patience/training/behavior modification, softpaws, sprays, >trimming >the nails, etc.) and the cat scratches causing a breaking of the >skin/bleeding, >then it might be the only way. "The only way." Thanks for clearing up your position. Because you seemed at first to be morphing from your pro-declaw NYWriter a/k/a Awriteny days to a middle-of-the-road fence-straddler. It doesn't become you. If a person has tried "everything", including all suggested behavior modification, clipping, and Soft Paws, and STILL it didn't work, something's wrong with the person, not the cat. If the choice, by that time, is to declaw or >bring the cat to the shelter (gambling that someone would come to adopt the >cat >and not have the cat languishing in a cage for another year or more). Ah. The old "declaw or die" has a new spin on it. "Declaw or live in a cage." Bullshit. Sherry Hey Sherry sriddles@aol.comkitty Your next step is to take an advertisement in USA Today, The New York Times, and, say, The Daily Mail. It is so tiring of reading your long-term, failing, attempt to bring up old IDs used years ago. That issue has died a natural death. It's been explained 45 ways from Sunday. I even went beyond the realm of normal reaction by offering contact of AOL and Gateway Corp. Insteady, you declined to actually verify anything, instead, sticking your head up your a** and chanting nonsense. Your long-term goal is to routinely respond negatively - be damned - whatever the topics are. What a sicko you are. But, you CAN get help for yourself. Contact the local mental health facilities for assistance. Anyone who has a degree of interest has already come across messages posted within the last 2 weeks explaining in detail my actual position on declawing. It has been posted several times in the last two weeks...it has been posted more times in the past 4 months. The only thing I can do to further this is to hire a publicist to announce it nationally/internationally and/or submit it to CNN. Doh. > Hey Sherry sriddles@aol.comkitty > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > hire a publicist to announce it nationally/internationally and/or submit it to > CNN. Doh. Doh indeed. Nobody cares, fuckwit. People who love cats don't mutilate them. >Your next step is to take an advertisement in USA Today, The New York Times, >and, say, The Daily Mail. It is so tiring of reading your long-term, >failing, >attempt to bring up old IDs used years ago. Read this slowly. The issue of your ever-changing ID was to illustrate the fact that your "stand" on declaw seems to become less liberal with every I.D. I suspect this is because you found yourself very unpopular with a lot of people because of it, so now you're adding qualifiers to your "pro-declaw" stand. I really don't care how many ID's you have. I actually wasn't the first to figure it out, I read other people's posts on the subject, the ones who first pegged you as NYWriter when you appeared as "Luvskats00" I even went beyond the realm >of >normal reaction by offering contact of AOL and Gateway Corp. I don't have a clue what this is about. Elaborate. Well, on second thought, outta respect for other readers, maybe you shouldn't. Insteady, you >declined to actually verify anything, instead, sticking your head up your a** >and chanting nonsense. Your long-term goal is to routinely respond >negatively >- be damned - whatever the topics are. What a sicko you are. But, you CAN get >help for yourself. Contact the local mental health facilities for assistance. You know, you can disagree without me without being so offensive and stupid. "Mental health issues" isn't playground name-calling fodder. It's serious business, no different from diabetes or heart disease, or cancer, and if you had any respect for anybody, you'd realize that. >Anyone who has a degree of interest has already come across messages posted >within the last 2 weeks explaining in detail my actual position on declawing. I know what your stand is. All too well. Sherry > >Your next step is to take an advertisement in USA Today, The New York Times, > >and, say, The Daily Mail. It is so tiring of reading your long-term, [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Sherry I'm fascinated by the mood swings she exhibits. When this particular incarnation showed up she was all suck-up. Then after a while the posts talking about "meds" and ending in "ya twit" show up, generally in little spates. I love usenet. >I'm fascinated by the mood swings she exhibits. When this particular >incarnation showed up she was all suck-up. Then after a while the posts >talking about "meds" and ending in "ya twit" show up, generally in little >spates. I love usenet. She was all suck-up because she thought she had a new identity. She'd already pissed so many people off as NYWriter and Awriteny, and even before that on the AOL boards she wasn't a credible poster anymore. It amazed me how quickly two posters here caught her out and figured out who she was from the Luvskats00 posts. Sherry To: Sherry sriddles@aol.comkitty ] Thanks for this laugh. "Suck up"? Unlikely. Too bad you are so insane that you regularly insist on ignoring the invitation to contact AOL and Gateway. I offered the actual management contacts at both corporations and the direct phone numbers. Instead, you insist on keeping your head in your a** and post rants that make little sense. You are very entertaining. sriddles@aol.comkitty (Sherry ) drools >The issue of your ever-changing ID was to illustrate the >fact >that your "stand" on declaw seems to become less liberal with every I.D. I >suspect this is because you found yourself very unpopular with a lot of >people >because of it, Thanks for the laughs, Sherry. Your posts are so inane that they're hysterical. You attempt to position yourself as a philosopher, a seer, a psychologist, and a veterinarian. You are none of these. I ammended my original position to declawing is OK to declawing is preferable to having the cat killed or placed in a cage for an undetermined long time. I still maintain that position. If you maintain the position that you prefer to have the cat killed instead of having the cat declawed, that is your right. I'll never agree to that, but I can't have you locked up or arrested for your views. Your method of attack is truly indicative of a psychotic nature...but we addressed that already. Since you insist on taking things out of context and no amount of logic or explanation will change that, it's useless to respond further, here. Keep on posting - I like to laugh. > "Mary" crazyaboutfelines@yahoo.com writes > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > declaw get in your way of responding, now! <not a fan of declaw as a regular > procedure>. Sure you aren't. a.shole. To "Mary" crazyaboutfelines@yahoo.com: If you embrace facts from time to time, it would increase your (current lack of) credibility. How many letters in protest of inhumane activities have you written? I've written over 140. How many animal related charities do you support? I currently support 5, I can't afford to support more. If you are in the New York City area next Wednesday, come to the Animal Protection Lobby. There will be a seminar on how to lobby, how to know which politicians to contact, how to write effectively, etc. There will be a press conference following the seminar. You need to register in advance, but all those who support humane treatment for animals are welcome. > To "Mary" crazyaboutfelines@yahoo.com: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > following the seminar. You need to register in advance, but all those who > support humane treatment for animals are welcome. If you include a snippet of what you are responding to, you might seem more coherent, but maybe not. As for what I do as an animal advocate, well, we can say anything in Usenet, now can't we? As for the rest--it's a nonsequitur. The issue, as I recall, was the fact that you advocate declawing--which is abborrent under ANY circumstances. "Mary" crazyaboutfelines@yahoo.com continues to screech >"...The issue, as I recall, was the >fact that you >advocate declawing--which is >abborrent under ANY >circumstances." I love it. You accuse me of cutting & pasting "snippets" and you do the exact same thing you accuse me of doing, ya twit. Yes, I prefer if one has a cat declawed as opposed to bringing the cat to a kill shelter. Lessee...having a cat declawed over having the cat killed. No contest. The cat has a more than significant chance of having a happy life. There have been millions of cat that have been declawed that have NOT resorted to biting and bad behaviors. Those cats are definitely better off at being alive as opposed to being dead. As for the other option....being in a cage, waiting for a home, waiting for a home that may never come...that, is a tough call, but I opt for having the cat have a home (living with the person who decided to declaw instead of bringing the cat to a kill shelter, etc.) Of course, if this person who opts to declaw humanely decides to search for a loving home with a family who won't declaw, so much the better. But, in the real world, with many people clueless about cats, it's too much to hope for that. > "Mary" crazyaboutfelines@yahoo.com continues to screech > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I love it. You accuse me of cutting & pasting "snippets" and you do the exact > same thing you accuse me of doing, ya twit. *Sigh* Reading comprehension. You are not worth my time. Luvskats wrote; >Yes, I prefer if one has a cat declawed >as opposed to bringing the cat to a kill >shelter. Your ignorance is astounding. It's not an either/or situation. There are *always* other options. >Lessee...having a cat declawed over >having the cat killed. No contest. The cat [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >off at being alive as opposed to being >dead. Plenty of cats have been declawed, then dumped at a shelter and killed. Declawing does NOT guarantee a home or life. For example, a shelter in New Jersey has changed their policy about adopting to people who plan to declaw because so many declawed cats (80% in one year!) were being dumped and killed because of behavior problems: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&selm=22243-3E7A7ABC- 87%40storefull-2138.public.lawson.webtv.net You have to be incredibly stupid to think that declawing guarantees anything. >As for the other option....being in a cage, >waiting for a home, waiting for a home [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >to declaw instead of bringing the cat to a >kill shelter, etc.) Tell that to this poor little *7 month old* declawed kitten ... http://www.onalaskalife.com/articles/2004/10/01/news/06cat.txt >Of course, if this person who opts to >declaw humanely That is an oxymoron and is no different from saying "mutilating humanely," "maiming humanely," "torturing humanely," "abusing humanely," etc, etc, etc. You can't have it both ways. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray zuzu22@webtv.net writes luvskats wrote >"I prefer if one has a cat declawed >as opposed to bringing the cat to a kill >shelter. The question for you, zuzu, is: why did you ignore the 2 posts before this one (where you cut and paste a bit of the text)? In those two posts that you passed over/ignored, I did state that it would be best if a person tried behavior modification, soft paws, sprays, etc. prior to facing the ultimate choice. There are a variety of people who have cats: they range from those who want little trouble from the cats and know very little about cat behavior or when to call the vet and when to post to a newsgroup all the way to those who would do everything for their "children". The subscribers/readers of this and other cat newsgroups fall into both extremes and in-between. Luvskats wrote: > The question for you, zuzu, is: why did > you ignore the 2 posts before this one [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > modification, soft paws, sprays, etc. > prior to facing the ultimate choice. Because you still recommend and promote declawing as an option, and *nothing* you can say will excuse or minimize that. And speaking of ignoring things, I see you've conveniently ignored the 375 *declawed* cats that were dumped at that shelter in only one year's time, the 300 of them that were *killed,* and the 7 month old *declawed* kitten that was cruelly discarded as well. Since their existence (and ultimately, for many of them, their deaths) completely and effectively dispells the utterly ridiculous false dilemma you so ignorantly promote, it seems that you've decided that they just don't exist at all. Sticking your head in the sand doesn't change the reality you refuse to acknowledge. Declawing didn't save them, did it? It did, however, cause them to lose their homes and die. > There are a variety of people who have > cats: they range from those who want [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > cat newsgroups fall into both extremes > and in-between. So what? None of the above in any way, shape or form justifies mutilating a cat. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray zuzu22@webtv.net writes luvskats wrote .>The question for you, zuzu, is: why did > you ignore the 2 posts before this one > (where you cut and paste a bit of the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > modification, soft paws, sprays, etc. > prior to facing the ultimate choice. >>Because you still recommend >>and promote declawing as an option, and >>*nothing* you can say will excuse or minimize that. Since i DO support keeping the cat alive - not killing the cat - and declawing him/her instead as a last resort, and have posted this multiple times in these past months....and since you are against that very concept, why don't you now respond to why you would want the cat to die, instead, when the cat could live very well with the declaw...LIVE, not be put down. So...Side A: be declawed and live (after other methods were tried) or Side B: no declaw and dump the cat at the shelter. Which option would you select and why? I also would prefer that the people who have cats but never bothered to learn about them and ignore medical problems - urgent medical problems - letting the cat suffer needlessly (cat not eating for a week, cat bleeding, cat not urinating/deficating for a week, cat not walking,etc...these people should be punished or made to suffer some consequence of their foolhardy action or lack of action. >>.. I see you've conveniently ignored the >>375 *declawed* cats that were >>dumped at that shelter in only one year's >>time, the 300 of them that were >>*killed,* and the 7 month old *declawed* >kitten that was cruelly discarded as well. I volunteered for 2 feline rescue groups for 3 years and at a shelter for 6 months. Sadly, I saw twits, well meaning and mean spirited twits bringing their cats..dumping their cats....mistreating their cats..declawed and non-declawed cats. Some of these twits were smiling as they surrendered their cats, giving no more thought to the poor cat as they would give a garment of the wrong size or color (returning said garment to the department store). Since you, incredibly, want to actually take this subissue/argument and blow it up to herculean proportions, I find it a sure sign of a problem. Tell you what...let's actually work on this subject and do a scholarly thesis on it. We will address the types of people who discard their cats: the reasons why, the degree to which they tried to find a solution first, whether said people jumped at the declaw or not, the actual number of declawed and non-declawed cats dumped and why, whether better methods are needed before these people are allowed to adopt...whether any specific punishment be meted out for people who lack the common sense to dial the vet after said cat missed a meal for 9 straight days..or stopped urinating/deficating after 5 days..etc. Luvskats wrote: > Since i DO support keeping the cat alive > - not killing the cat - and declawing [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > very well with the declaw...LIVE, not be > put down. 1. I have never said or implied that I would want the cat to die and for you to claim so is beyond ignorant. 2. Since I have already posted *irrefutable* evidence that declawing actually causes cats to be killed, your erroneous implication that it saves them is dispelled. 3. Surrendering a cat to a shelter does not mean instant death. The cat could go on to be adopted by someone that actually values the wellbeing of the cat more than their furniture. 4. In a large number of instances, cats don't, as you claim, "live very well" with being declawed and are subsequently surrendered to shelters anyway. And often killed. >So...Side A: be declawed and > live (after other methods were tried) or > Side B: no declaw and dump the cat at > the shelter. Which option would you > select and why? I already responded to this. You are creating a false dilemma, and there are several other outcomes which you already know to be possible, so quit wasting my time. This "declaw or die" argument is the last resort of people like you that can't understand simple concepts or comprehend that there are outcomes that don't involve harm. > I also would prefer that the people who > have cats but never bothered to learn [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > consequence of their foolhardy action or > lack of action. So, in your twisted, incomprehensible world, people that won't take their cats to the vet must be punished, but people that take their cats to the vet to have them intentionally mutilated rather than do the right thing and work *with* the cat's behavior get a free pass. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray zuzu22@webtv.net posts > I have never said or implied that I >would want the cat to die and for >you to claim so is beyond ignorant. Actually, you have done just that. By arguing against my position. My position has been that if all options have been exhausted and the choice remains 1) to declaw the cat or 2) bring the cat to a kill shelter or even a non-kill shelter I'd go for option #1. You had responded to my view and attacked that view. So..if you're attacking that view then you are against it. If you are attacking that view and are not against it, then you are beyond help. Luvskats wrote: >Actually, you have done just that. No, I haven't. The posts discrediting your argument and clearly stating my position, which you've intentionally left out in a lame and obvious attempt to promote your lies, are right here in this thread. It's incredibly hypocritical (but typical) for you to bitch about people snipping what you say, yet here you are, doing just that in a blatant, albeit unsuccessful, attempt to deceive. Since you seem to have all this time on your hands, why don't you take a minute and visit my photo album. Click on Mister Mistopheles and read his story, which will irrefutably prove your assertions are wrong. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray > zuzu22@webtv.net posts > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >declaw the cat or 2) bring the cat to a kill shelter or even a non-kill >shelter In the spirit of debate, why don't you tell us exactly how you think European folks deal with claws, since they don't have Option #1? Sherry To: sriddles@aol.comkitty (Sherry ) I will gladly respond to that after you respond to my previous request (posted yesterday). > To: sriddles@aol.comkitty (Sherry ) > > I will gladly respond to that after you respond to my previous request (posted > yesterday). Sherry! STOP holding your breath! >From: luvskats00@aol.com (Luvskats00) >To: sriddles@aol.comkitty (Sherry ) > >I will gladly respond to that after you respond to my previous request >(posted >yesterday). I'll tell you what. I'll ask you the question. Then you don't have to wait for Sherry to respond to whatever you posted yesterday. Waiting.... ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecatjournal.com/articles/claws.htm >From: luvskats00@aol.com (Luvskats00) >zuzu22@webtv.net writes > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >past months....and since you are against that very concept, why don't you now >respond to why you would want the cat to die, Why in the hell would the cat have to die? You know it's utter nonsense saying if a cat isn't declawed it will die. That is just a poor lame excuse for mutilating a cat. How do you think people who live in countries where declawing is banned deal with cats with claws? They certainly aren't killing them. ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecatjournal.com/articles/claws.htm Darnit7@aol.com writes > How do you think people who live >in countries where >declawing is banned deal with >cats with claws? They certainly >aren't killing them I wasn't aware that all cultures across the world lived identically. I must have missed that. I wasn't aware that all laws across the world were identical. I missed that, too. I also missed that peoplel across the world think and act alike. When one responds to a message, here - one doesn't respond with a world view that blanketly covers the entire planet. Obviously, things differ greatly - in many areas - in the UK and the USA (and other parts of the world). If you feel the need to vent your illogical fury by posting in newsgroups then knock yourself out. >Darnit7@aol.com writes > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >I wasn't aware that all cultures across the world lived identically. I must >have missed that. You miss a lot, apparently. I wasn't aware that all laws across the world were >identical. >I missed that, too. I also missed that peoplel across the world think and act [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >greatly >- in many areas - in the UK and the USA (and other parts of the world). They don't differ that much. We're all human, and allegedly civilized countries. Americans do love the quick solution, the easy way out, instant gratification. We can learn to adapt, and adjust, and figure out whatever it is they're doing will also work for us. The laws aren't that different. If our animal abuse laws were interpreted literally, declaw would already be illegal. Your "declaw or die" mantra is false. Did you even read anything Megan posted? Sherry >If you feel the need to vent your illogical fury by posting in newsgroups >then >knock yourself out. It isn't illogical. You just, for some reason, refuse to understand. Sherry Can we return this thread to the original question, which had *nothing* to do with declawing, but help for a cat with dominant/aggressive biting issues of unknown origin (the same problem Hodge happens to have)? That would be more helpful than inane cat fighting, excuse the expression. Signaturehttp://www.mindspring.com/~slywy/ >Can we return this thread to the original question, which had *nothing* >to do with declawing, but help for a cat with dominant/aggressive biting >issues of unknown origin (the same problem Hodge happens to have)? That >would be more helpful than inane cat fighting, excuse the expression. You might start a clean thread and I'm sure you'll get a lot of helpful ideas. Or google a bit, that topic has been discussed extensively through the years. On this group anyway. Other groups could possibly have had members e-mail new posters and forbid the discussion of declaw to alleged "pro-declawers." > >Can we return this thread to the original question, which had *nothing* to do with declawing, but help for a cat with dominant/aggressive biting issues of unknown origin (the same problem Hodge happens to have)? That > >would be more helpful than inane cat fighting, excuse the expression. > > You might start a clean thread and I'm sure you'll get a lot of helpful ideas. Or google a bit, that topic has been discussed extensively through the years.On this group anyway. Other groups could possibly have had members e-mail new posters and forbid the discussion of declaw to alleged "pro-declawers." Diane isn't the OP. And, this sort of discussion comes up as a natural development of people mentioning declawed cats who bite. The OP already got about every suggestion that might help, and, as you say, this has been discussed a bunch, so a Google search might help her. >Don't let the fact that thousands of cats don't bite and draw blood after a >declaw get in your way of responding, now! <not a fan of declaw as a regular >procedure>. Hello? You're defending the declaw procedure. Watch it, you're gonna fall off that fence. Sherry To: Sherry sriddles@aol.comkitty You should get out more and interact with the human race. It might help your twisted thought process. It may not. You may have to have medication and therapy. A doctor will help you through it. Psst...My position has not changed. I rather the cat live and have the declaw done that for the cat to die. If you truly believe that bringing the cat to a kill shelter doesn't mean the cat will die..then please "believe" that I will win the 10 million dollar lottery. The odds are the same. No, I don't know how many cats are killed daily in the kill shelters..but they are killed and that's the real world, ya twit. > To: Sherry sriddles@aol.comkitty > > You should get out more and interact with the human race. It might help your twisted thought process. It may not. You may have to have medication and therapy. A doctor will help you through it. LOL! > Psst...My position has not changed. I rather the cat live and have the declaw done that for the cat to die. If you truly believe that bringing the cat to a > kill shelter doesn't mean the cat will die..then please "believe" that I will > win the 10 million dollar lottery. The odds are the same. No, I don't know how > many cats are killed daily in the kill shelters..but they are killed and that's > the real world, ya twit. Heh. Yeah, "ya twit." > > Bad kitty-I have a 1 1/2 year old declawed male neutered cat that I've > > P.S.--Kitty is not "bad." The Nazi a.s who declawed Kitty, on the other > hand, is worse than bad. LMAO >Bad kitty-I have a 1 1/2 year old declawed male neutered cat that I've >had for about a year. It attacks me, biting hard, briing blood. I can't >get him to stop. I've tried spraying with water, swatting with a single >sheet of newspaper, yelling, etc. PLease give me an idea how to reform >him. I'm about ready to give up. Thanks Desperate Cat Owner was he always like that, or is the biting a recent occurrence? is he like that all the time now? -L "Belief in the supernatural reflects a failure of the imagination." "A good philosopher is one who does not take ideas seriously." "If the world is irrational, we can never know it--either it or its irrationality." "Humility is a virtue when you have no other." "The more fantastic an ideology or theology, the more fanatic are its adherents." "The missionaries go forth to Christianize the savages--as if the savages weren't dangerous enough already." "If the end does not justify the means--what can?" "Reason has seldom failed us because it has seldom been tried." "Is there a God? Who knows? Is there an angry unicorn on the dark side of the moon?" "Whatever we cannot easily understand we call God; this saves much wear and tear on the brain tissues." "Christian theology: nothing so grotesque could possibly be true." "Only a fool is astonished by the foolishness of mankind." "I hate intellectual discussion. When I hear the words `phenomenology' or `structuralism', I reach for my buck knife." "When I hear the word `culture', I reach for my checkbook." "From the point of view of a tapeworm, man was created by God to serve the appetite of the tapeworm." "What's the difference between the Lone Ranger and God? There really is a Lone Ranger." "What did Jesus say to the headwaiter at the Last Supper? `Separate checks, please.'" "Every analysis leaves a residue of the unknown; this we call God or Karma or--depending on time and place--the UFO. (Unidentified f.cking Object)." "Every man has two vocations: his own and philosophy." "Through logic and inference we can prove anything. Therefore, logic and inference, in contrast to ordinary daily living experience, are secondary instruments of knowledge. Probably tertiary." "Proverbs save us the trouble of thinking. What we call folk wisdom is often no more than a kind of expedient stupidity." "Appearance *versus* reality? Appearance *is* reality, God damn it!" "In both metaphysics and art, honesty is the best policy. Keep it clean." "Mormonism: Nothing so hilarious could possibly be true. Or all bad." "Nothing could be more reckless than to base one's moral philosophy on the latest pronouncements of science." "My cousin Elroy spent seven years as an IBM taper staring at THINK signs on the walls before he finally got a good idea: He quit." "My computer tells me that in twenty-five years there will be no more computers." "We are all ONE, say the gurus. Aye, I might agree--but one WHAT?" "Fantastic doctrines (like Christianity or Islam or Marxism) require unanimity of belief. One dissenter casts doubt on the creed of millions. Thus the fear and the hate; thus the torture chamber, the iron stake, the gallows, the labor camp, the psychiatric ward." "God is love? Not bloody likely." "Metaphysics is a cobweb that the mind weaves around things." "The world is older and bigger than we are. This is a hard truth for some folks to swallow." "When the philosopher's argument becomes tedious, complicated, and opaque, it is usually a sign that he is attempting to prove as true to the intellect what is plainly false to common sense. But men of intellect will believe anything-- if it appeals to their ego, their vanity, their sense of self-importance." "What ideal, immutable Platonic cloud could equal the beauty and perfection of any ordinary everyday cloud floating over, say, Tuba City, Arizona, on a hot day in June?" "Zen: the sound of the ax chopping. Chopping logic." "The function of an ideal is not to be realized but, like that of the North Star, to serve as a guiding point." "This world may be only illusion--but it's the only illusion we've got." "Is a mirage real? Well, it's a real mirage." "Truth is merely common sense, say the naive realist. Really? Then where, precisely, is the location of--a rainbow? In the air? In the eye? In between? Or somewhere else?" > Bad kitty-I have a 1 1/2 year old declawed male neutered cat that I've > had for about a year. It attacks me, biting hard, briing blood. I can't > get him to stop. I've tried spraying with water, swatting with a single > sheet of newspaper, yelling, etc. PLease give me an idea how to reform > him. I'm about ready to give up. Thanks Desperate Cat Owner I have the same problem with Hodge (who attacks if I walk around too much, and then attacks if I sit at my desk while he wants to be under it). I've gotten his attacks down to a lower frequency, partly by confining him, but not eliminated them. My veterinarian does not seem hopeful that even a behaviourist could help. I'll be curious to see what answers you get. Signaturehttp://www.mindspring.com/~slywy/ >> Bad kitty-I have a 1 1/2 year old declawed male neutered cat that I've >> had for about a year. It attacks me, biting hard, briing blood. I can't [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >hopeful that even a behaviourist could help. I'll be curious to see what >answers you get. by attacks you mean biting attacks? -L "Belief in the supernatural reflects a failure of the imagination." "A good philosopher is one who does not take ideas seriously." "If the world is irrational, we can never know it--either it or its irrationality." "Humility is a virtue when you have no other." "The more fantastic an ideology or theology, the more fanatic are its adherents." "The missionaries go forth to Christianize the savages--as if the savages weren't dangerous enough already." "If the end does not justify the means--what can?" "Reason has seldom failed us because it has seldom been tried." "Is there a God? Who knows? Is there an angry unicorn on the dark side of the moon?" "Whatever we cannot easily understand we call God; this saves much wear and tear on the brain tissues." "Christian theology: nothing so grotesque could possibly be true." "Only a fool is astonished by the foolishness of mankind." "I hate intellectual discussion. When I hear the words `phenomenology' or `structuralism', I reach for my buck knife." "When I hear the word `culture', I reach for my checkbook." "From the point of view of a tapeworm, man was created by God to serve the appetite of the tapeworm." "What's the difference between the Lone Ranger and God? There really is a Lone Ranger." "What did Jesus say to the headwaiter at the Last Supper? `Separate checks, please.'" "Every analysis leaves a residue of the unknown; this we call God or Karma or--depending on time and place--the UFO. (Unidentified f.cking Object)." "Every man has two vocations: his own and philosophy." "Through logic and inference we can prove anything. Therefore, logic and inference, in contrast to ordinary daily living experience, are secondary instruments of knowledge. Probably tertiary." "Proverbs save us the trouble of thinking. What we call folk wisdom is often no more than a kind of expedient stupidity." "Appearance *versus* reality? Appearance *is* reality, God damn it!" "In both metaphysics and art, honesty is the best policy. Keep it clean." "Mormonism: Nothing so hilarious could possibly be true. Or all bad." "Nothing could be more reckless than to base one's moral philosophy on the latest pronouncements of science." "My cousin Elroy spent seven years as an IBM taper staring at THINK signs on the walls before he finally got a good idea: He quit." "My computer tells me that in twenty-five years there will be no more computers." "We are all ONE, say the gurus. Aye, I might agree--but one WHAT?" "Fantastic doctrines (like Christianity or Islam or Marxism) require unanimity of belief. One dissenter casts doubt on the creed of millions. Thus the fear and the hate; thus the torture chamber, the iron stake, the gallows, the labor camp, the psychiatric ward." "God is love? Not bloody likely." "Metaphysics is a cobweb that the mind weaves around things." "The world is older and bigger than we are. This is a hard truth for some folks to swallow." "When the philosopher's argument becomes tedious, complicated, and opaque, it is usually a sign that he is attempting to prove as true to the intellect what is plainly false to common sense. But men of intellect will believe anything-- if it appeals to their ego, their vanity, their sense of self-importance." "What ideal, immutable Platonic cloud could equal the beauty and perfection of any ordinary everyday cloud floating over, say, Tuba City, Arizona, on a hot day in June?" "Zen: the sound of the ax chopping. Chopping logic." "The function of an ideal is not to be realized but, like that of the North Star, to serve as a guiding point." "This world may be only illusion--but it's the only illusion we've got." "Is a mirage real? Well, it's a real mirage." "Truth is merely common sense, say the naive realist. Really? Then where, precisely, is the location of--a rainbow? In the air? In the eye? In between? Or somewhere else?" I apologize for my very cutting response to the person who assumed and diagnosed via a post that |
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