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Tiger's surgery today

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Elizabeth Blake - 06 Oct 2004 02:58 GMT
I brought Tiger back to the vet today to have her procedures done (ear
cleaning, teeth cleaning, removal of tumor).  She was not happy to be back
at the vet's.  While I was in the waiting room I took her out of her
carrier.  She was shaking, and just curled up in my lap and stayed put.

The vet told me to call them around 4:00pm, which I did.  He said that Tiger
was still very out of it.  She had to have two teeth pulled but the rest of
her teeth look good.  He said she had an ulcer in one ear, which they
cleaned and medicated.  He said the incision to remove the tumor wasn't very
deep, but it was large.  He told me to call back after 6:30 to check on her
and she was doing better, waking up more.  I have to call back at 10:30
tomorrow morning to see if/when I can take her home tomorrow.

My sister asked me if they give cats any pain medication after surgery.  I
never thought about that and was wondering if they do.  I'm sure Tiger is
feeling really uncomfortable right now and will until she heals.  I remember
when I had the two cats at worked spayed 5 years ago, they didn't get any
after-surgery medication.

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Liz
MacCandace - 06 Oct 2004 04:57 GMT
I hope Tiger will recover quickly and get back home to you tomorrow.  And, of
course, I hope her tumor is benign.  Yes, they do have pain meds for cats but
not all vets give it.  Hopefully, your vet did.  Usually if you ask, they will
even if they weren't planning on it to begin with.  I don't think they usually
give it for just a spay but, in her case, I hope so.  I would ask for some
tomorrow.  Poor girl, that's a lot to have done at once but hopefully it will
make her feel much better in the long run.

Candace
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Phil P. - 06 Oct 2004 10:11 GMT
Yes, they do have pain meds for cats but
> not all vets give it.  Hopefully, your vet did.  Usually if you ask, they will
> even if they weren't planning on it to begin with.  I don't think they usually
> give it for just a spay

Isn't that disturbing as hell?   Ovariohysterectomy is actually a major
surgery - its the entire removal of a major organ.

I'm sure human females receive an analgesic after their surgery.  Why is
there even a doubt that cats experience pain after surgery?  Just because
cats are masters of concealing their pain that doesn't mean they don't
experience pain.

My vet doesn't give his clients the option of post-op pain medication - its
mandatory and automatically included.

Phil
CatNipped - 06 Oct 2004 15:04 GMT
> Isn't that disturbing as hell?   Ovariohysterectomy is actually a major
> surgery - its the entire removal of a major organ.
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>
> Phil

Having had a hysterectomy myself, I couldn't *imagine* not giving my cats
pain medication after spaying.  However, that was an "option" that my vet
gave that cost extra (of course I paid it, along with the extra charge for
IV fluids, etc.).  For three weeks after my surgery I hobbled around barely
moving, moaning the whole while.  Sammy, on the other hand, ran around the
day after her surgery, jumping on things and playing, and pretty much acted
as if nothing were wrong.

Hugs,

CatNipped
Helen Miles - 06 Oct 2004 17:34 GMT
"Phil P." <phil@maxshouse.com> wrote in message

> I'm sure human females receive an analgesic after their surgery.  Why is
> there even a doubt that cats experience pain after surgery?  Just because
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> My vet doesn't give his clients the option of post-op pain medication - its
> mandatory and automatically included.///

Certainly my experience has always been that cats recover more quickly
when they have pain medication. Why some vets don't automatically give
it is beyond me.

Helen M

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MacCandace - 07 Oct 2004 04:44 GMT
<< Certainly my experience has always been that cats recover more quickly
when they have pain medication. Why some vets don't automatically give
it is beyond me.

Helen M >>

I think it's cuz they can't talk...really.

Candace
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Phil P. - 07 Oct 2004 07:44 GMT
> "Phil P." <phil@maxshouse.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Certainly my experience has always been that cats recover more quickly
> when they have pain medication.

Hiya Helen! Long, long time no "see".

I think you're absolutely right.  Pain causes stress, and stress increases
cortisol and epinephrine which depress *both* humoral and cellular immune
responses.  This not only delays healing but also leaves the cat susceptible
to infection.  That's one of the reasons why many vets prescribe pre-op and
post-op antibiotics.

Why some vets don't automatically give
> it is beyond me.

Believe it or not, many vets don't think its that important. Also, not much
time was spent on pain management in vet schools until fairly recently.
Pain management is now rapidly becoming a major concern.  About time!

Also, some anesthetic agents (e.g., ketamine - nasty stuff) also have some
analgesic effects coupled with the prolonged recovery - which some vets feel
is "enough".  Cats that receive Isoflurane should absolutely receive pain
medication because the recovery from anesthesia is so fast.

I have very strong feelings about this subject because I think "cat pain" is
*worse* than human pain because cats don't understand the reasons for pain
or the causes of it nor do they understand that it will eventually stop.
Not only is pain painful, I think its also frightening for cats.

Great to see you back.

Phil
Elizabeth Blake - 08 Oct 2004 02:25 GMT
> > "Phil P." <phil@maxshouse.com> wrote in message
> >
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> to infection.  That's one of the reasons why many vets prescribe pre-op and
> post-op antibiotics.

Tiger does have antibiotics that I have to give her for the next 5 days.
The vet said that she also got antibiotics while she was there.

> Why some vets don't automatically give
> > it is beyond me.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> is "enough".  Cats that receive Isoflurane should absolutely receive pain
> medication because the recovery from anesthesia is so fast.

I don't know what they used on Tiger, but I'm guessing it's the first one
you mentioned.  She was still a little out of it when I picked her up and
the vet said something about how the aftereffects of the anesthesia would
help her with any pain.

Tiger doesn't seem to be in any pain, but of course if she is she wouldn't
be able to tell me.  Her behavior is completely back to normal.  She's
following me around, trying to get into my lap the way she always has.
She's using her Cosmic Catnip Alpine scratcher and she's not bothering her
stitches, at least not when I'm watching her.  Her appetite is restored, and
her litterbox activity has been normal.

Otto is still freaked out but he's getting better.

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Liz
MacCandace - 08 Oct 2004 03:32 GMT
<< Otto is still freaked out but he's getting better.

--
Liz >>

That'll pass in a couple of days.

Candace
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Rhonda - 06 Oct 2004 05:38 GMT
Hi Liz,

Do they have someone that stays with her all night? Is it a 24-hr place?

I hope she's doing much better tomorrow morning. She went through a lot
today, I can see why she's sleepy for so long.

I hope you get to bring her home tomorrow and she's feeling good enough
to complain!

Take care,

Rhonda

> I brought Tiger back to the vet today to have her procedures done (ear
> cleaning, teeth cleaning, removal of tumor).  She was not happy to be back
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> --
> Liz
Barb - 06 Oct 2004 16:08 GMT
Hope Tiger's fine today.

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Barb
Of course I don't look busy,
I did it right the first time.
MacCandace - 07 Oct 2004 04:43 GMT
<< Hope Tiger's fine today. >>

Yes, how is Tiger?  We'd like an update, please.

Candace
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Elizabeth Blake - 07 Oct 2004 05:10 GMT
> << Hope Tiger's fine today. >>
>
> Yes, how is Tiger?  We'd like an update, please.
>
> Candace
> (take the litter out before replying by e-mail)

I picked Tiger up around 5:30 tonight.  She was happy to see me, butting her
head against my hand.  I know she was dying to get out of there.  I asked
the vet about pain medication and he said he wouldn't recommend it.  He said
that the incision isn't really deep and said that she was probably still
groggy from the anesthesia.  I may have confused some people - Tiger wasn't
spayed today (she's 14 years old!), I just mentioned that when the cats at
worked were spayed, they didn't get any medication.

Anyway, when I got Tiger home I opened the carrier and she took a tour of
the apartment, going into every room a couple of times before she decided
that she was thirsty.  She took a long drink at the fountain, and then I
opened a can of food.  She ate a little food, but was mostly interested in
drinking.  She went to the fountain about 4 times during her first couple of
hours back home.  I gave her a little bit of ham, which is her (and Otto's)
favorite treat.

Otto has been freaked out since Tiger came home.  He growls & hisses
whenever he sees her.  It's really weird, because I've heard Otto growl only
once in his life, when he heard some loud noise in the hallway outside the
apartment.  But for the past 6 hours he's been making some awful noises.
Tiger has completely ignored him.  He was hiding under a chair in the
kitchen, making noises, and she decided she'd walk right by him.  He hasn't
made any moves toward her, so I'm not too worried.  He'll forget about her
and be fine, but once he actually sees her again the noises start.

Tiger & I lay down on the couch to watch a movie, and she was very happy to
be able to lay on top of me for a few hours.  She always wants to lay on me
when I watch TV, but I tend to move a lot and will push her off me after a
short time.  For her happiness I lay still the whole time, and she was in
heaven.  She's sleeping by herself on the couch now, curled up in a blanket.

I have to call the vets again on Friday to update them on her recovery.
She'll have to go to have her stitches out early next week.  She's got
medication in her ears, and I have an antibiotic pill to give her for the
next 5 days.  The vet said they should have the reports back next week on
the tumor and the gunk in her ears.  Her blood work came back completely
normal in every way.

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Liz
mlbriggs - 07 Oct 2004 06:05 GMT
>> << Hope Tiger's fine today. >>
>>
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> the tumor and the gunk in her ears.  Her blood work came back completely
> normal in every way.

Perhaps if you used scent transfer it would help.  Rub him with a wash
cloth and then rub her with it.  Worth a try!   MLB
Linda E - 08 Oct 2004 01:57 GMT
>> << Hope Tiger's fine today. >>
>>
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> Otto has been freaked out since Tiger came home.  He growls & hisses
> whenever he sees her.

I have two cats, Mikey and Betsy.  Mikey hates the vet and whether HE's been
to the vet or Betsy has, he is really nasty towards Betsy for a few days
after.... I usually have to separate them for a couple of days and then they
go back to normal.  Good luck on Tiger's test results.

Linda E.
MacCandace - 08 Oct 2004 03:30 GMT
<<  The vet said they should have the reports back next week on
the tumor and the gunk in her ears. >>

Glad she's home and feeling pretty good.  Let us know her results.  I hope
they're good.

Candace
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