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Kitty Won't Stop BITING me and CHEWING on fabric!

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Jill - 01 Oct 2004 18:18 GMT
Please help!  We adopted Roscoe at the pound 3 months ago.  He is now
5 months old.  He is a very active and healthy little guy, was
neutered promptly when we adopted him, has a good appetite and gets
lots of play from us and our dog (whom we adopted at the same time).
At first I figured the biting was a kitten thing.  A play thing.  But
he WILL NOT STOP.  In fact, he seems to have a split personality.  It
isn't when he's worked up that he bites.  It's the opposite.  For
example, he'll come snuggle and relax for 10 or 15 minutes and then
all of a sudden attack my hand or my leg or whatever is closest.
He'll latch on and it's hard to peel him off.  He has learned to use
his scratch posts, uses the litter box, keeps off the kitchen table,
and is very, very sweet but this behavior is not getting better.
We've tried replacing human limbs with those of stuffed animals.  He's
not interested.  We've tried the squirt bottle.  It isn't sinking in.

In addition to this, he has completely destroyed 3 sets of
pillowcases.  He chews on the corners of them.  Someone suggested this
may have to do with a definciency in his diet but we feed him a
natural and balanced kibble and he only does it while we are in bed at
night.

He is a good kitty 90% of the time but I'm afraid we won't be able to
have kids around this cat and it might be best to try to find a new
home for him now rather than later.  He is an indoor cat.  Would
letting him outside help?  We live in an area in L.A. where cats
easily become coyote snacks which is why we haven't let him out.

What to do to keep kitty?  Or is he Jeckyll and Hyde?

Thanks,
Jill
ceb - 01 Oct 2004 19:09 GMT
> Please help!  We adopted Roscoe at the pound 3 months ago.  He is now
> 5 months old.  He is a very active and healthy little guy, was
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> Thanks,
> Jill

Some cats get overstimulated and "attack" after being petted -- when
Rosalie does this, I usually yell "no" sharply and sometimes I fuss at
her a bit. She has learned just to bat me once with a "soft paw" to tell
me she's had enough -- and also over time you will learn the signs of
when the kitty has had enough -- usually they get progressively twitchier
with their tails before they attack. Getting older will also help with
this behavior, so never fear.

Not sure about the weird chewing. One thing might be some extra exercise
before bed so that he sleeps at night instead of chewing? Do you have
some good interactive toys? Rosie loves the "Cat Charmer" which is a
plastic wand with a fleece tail attached -- with a minimum of effort on
my part, I can get her running and jumping all over the place -- she
really gets a good workout. She's 3 years old -- kittens need even more
exercise.

My old cats used to sometimes keep me awake with their nighttime antics
-- I was not above waking them up constantly the next day in order to
disrupt their rest so that they would sleep the next night.

--Catherine
& Rosalie the calicohead
kaeli - 01 Oct 2004 20:13 GMT
> Please help!  We adopted Roscoe at the pound 3 months ago.  He is now
> 5 months old.  He is a very active and healthy little guy, was
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> example, he'll come snuggle and relax for 10 or 15 minutes and then
> all of a sudden attack my hand or my leg or whatever is closest.

Are you sure it's really "all of a sudden"? This sounds like overstimulation
to me, not play biting.
Humans tend to miss kitty signals that say when kitty has had enough petting.
Any or all of these signals are supposed to tell you that he's had enough
cuddling or petting and that you should put him down or stop touching him:
- tensing up
- tail twitching
- ears start to go back
- purring ceases
- eyes narrow; pupils may dilate

Try petting him for only 5 minutes and then putting him down while he's still
liking it. Repeat later on in the day. Extend time by a minute or so every
couple days to increase his tolerance.
Also, many cats don't like being pet in one way or another. Watch your own
behavior closely as well as everything else, including your cat's body
language, your dog's location, noises going on around you, etc, to see if
there is a trigger you are missing. Some things are very subtle. Maybe he
hates being pet on the left ear, for example (we had a horse like that). My
Rowan hates being pet on her tummy. Isis prefers that you don't touch her
nose. Jeffrey just wants you to touch him. *g*

He may be responding to something you aren't aware of, is what I'm saying.
We're so used to tuning out the common things that it might be something so
usual to you that you don't hear it or see it any more. Perhaps a clock that
chimes every 15 minutes. Anything at all. Look for the pattern. And look at
HIM. He might be telling you something in a way that he thinks is obvious but
you think is just something he "always" does.

> We've tried replacing human limbs with those of stuffed animals.  He's
> not interested.  We've tried the squirt bottle.  It isn't sinking in.

This won't help if it is overstimulation. These are remedies for play biting.
If he's trying to tell you to stop petting him, he's not going to nail the
stuffy instead of you. He's going to nail your leg or hand.
Some cats want to be on your lap, but don't want to be stroked or handled the
entire time they're there.

> In addition to this, he has completely destroyed 3 sets of
> pillowcases.  He chews on the corners of them.  Someone suggested this
> may have to do with a definciency in his diet but we feed him a
> natural and balanced kibble and he only does it while we are in bed at
> night.

He's teething, more than likely. My Mom has a cat who chewed on things when
he was little. He grew out of it. Try Bitter Apple in the meantime.

> Would
> letting him outside help?  

It'd help you not have a cat to worry about any more.  ;)
LA is no area for outside cats. And I don't think the problem has anything to
do with activity levels, anyway.

Obviously, I don't know your kitty, so I can't tell if this is what's going
on (body language is SO important), but it's worth a thought or three.

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Jill - 04 Oct 2004 07:07 GMT
Thanks for your reply.  It was very kind and helpful.  Some people can
be so rude on these groups--I don't understand the aggression some
folks put through cyberspace.

Your suggestion that it might be some sort of stimulation I'm not
aware of makes sense.  It isn't biting that occurs when we're petting
or handling that I'm worried about.  It's biting that occurs when he
is lying 2 feet from me on the sofa taking a wee doze, and then all of
a sudden decides to chomp on my leg.  I think it may actually be
behavior he's learned from the dog, as the two of them wrestle several
times a day.  Like maybe if he's sleeping and wakes up and I'm close
to him he has some flashbacks and thinks I might try to attack him so
he goes in for the kill first.  Or something.

I tried adding some bran to his food to get more fiber in his diet and
also bought him some cat grass.  He ruined another pillowcase last
night.  Maybe something about the down feathers bothers him, but I
more think it's the shape of the point of the corners that it is a
suckling thing.

We tried shutting him in the bathroom for 5 minutes last night when he
did it but when we let him out he did it again 2 more times.  Haven't
had a situation tonight--so far.

I'm trying everything I can find.  He'll either get better in a couple
of months or I'll have to figure out something.

Thanks again.
Mary - 04 Oct 2004 08:12 GMT
> Thanks for your reply.  It was very kind and helpful.  Some people can
> be so rude on these groups--I don't understand the aggression some
> folks put through cyberspace.

Jill. Leave a little snippet of the post to which you are
replying. We can't read your mind.
kaeli - 04 Oct 2004 17:30 GMT
> Thanks for your reply.  It was very kind and helpful.  Some people can
> be so rude on these groups--I don't understand the aggression some
> folks put through cyberspace.

It's easier to take out a bad day on people you never see?  ;)

Oh, you should really quote part of what you're replying to, because the
newsserver doesn't save the old messages for long and I'm a forgetful thing
sometimes. *heh*

> Your suggestion that it might be some sort of stimulation I'm not
> aware of makes sense.  It isn't biting that occurs when we're petting
> or handling that I'm worried about.  It's biting that occurs when he
> is lying 2 feet from me on the sofa taking a wee doze, and then all of
> a sudden decides to chomp on my leg.

That's actually very telling.
Watch him closely for a little while. See if you catch what happens just
*before* he does this. It may be that a sound or movement startles him and he
bites before he fully wakes up and realizes what he's doing. If he thinks you
are the dog, he'll bite much harder. Cats are smart - they learn that people
don't like to be bitten as hard in play as other cats and dogs.

> I think it may actually be
> behavior he's learned from the dog, as the two of them wrestle several
> times a day.  Like maybe if he's sleeping and wakes up and I'm close
> to him he has some flashbacks and thinks I might try to attack him so
> he goes in for the kill first.  Or something.

He might just think that the dog is interrupting his nap and is pissy about
it.  *g*
Watch him to see if his eyes and ears are a little twitchy before this
happens to see if he's dreaming. He may be reacting to a dream, too.
You have to narrow down the cause before you can come up with a solution. The
solution might be as simple as not letting him sleep right next to human
flesh. *heh*
The hardest part of problem solving, IMO, is finding out what the real
problem is.

> I tried adding some bran to his food to get more fiber in his diet and
> also bought him some cat grass.  He ruined another pillowcase last
> night.  Maybe something about the down feathers bothers him, but I
> more think it's the shape of the point of the corners that it is a
> suckling thing.

The latter sounds very probable.
Does he have his own stuffed animal?
Try getting him a stuffed puppy toy of a similar texture with corners.
Check these out.
> http://www.petsmart.com/global/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=8455244418
06315&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302026216&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=253437430202
3689&bmUID=1096907068969

> http://www.petsmart.com/global/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=8455244417
81542&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302026216&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=253437430202
3689&bmUID=1096907068836

> We tried shutting him in the bathroom for 5 minutes last night when he
> did it but when we let him out he did it again 2 more times.  Haven't
> had a situation tonight--so far.

Time outs work great for stopping behavior IF there isn't a physical reason
for the behavior. If he's chewing because he's teething, he'll do better if
you give him an acceptable outlet.
My Mom's cat chewed on things for awhile while he was growing up. He grew out
of it. I think it's probably just a teething thing. He's right at the age
where he'll be cutting his back molars and those are painful. Just like a
human baby, they NEED to chew to help the teeth break the gums. Cats just
aren't usually as obvious about it as dogs.

Let us know how it goes.

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Mary - 04 Oct 2004 18:51 GMT
> > Thanks for your reply.  It was very kind and helpful.  Some people can
> > be so rude on these groups--I don't understand the aggression some
> > folks put through cyberspace.
>
> It's easier to take out a bad day on people you never see?  ;)

You know, kaeli, this is true. While it is not true that I am less blunt
with people face-to-face than online, it IS true that it is easier to do
when not looking at the person. I had never really thought of that. I
suppose it goes for the telephone too.

Then of course there is the idea that some folks are deserving targets, but
that is another issue altogether.
kaeli - 04 Oct 2004 21:05 GMT
> > It's easier to take out a bad day on people you never see?  ;)
>
> You know, kaeli, this is true. While it is not true that I am less blunt
> with people face-to-face than online, it IS true that it is easier to do
> when not looking at the person. I had never really thought of that. I
> suppose it goes for the telephone too.

Well, I know it's true for me. Sometimes I don't think before I hit that send
button.

Plus, I have a scathingly sarcastic, often dry, sense of humor that doesn't
translate at all well in type, so sometimes I offend the hell out of people
when I actually didn't even mean to. Not that I don't mean to sometimes.  
*evil grin*
I always mean to offend anyone who supports declawing even after they know
what it is, for example. If a person thinks a cat is "just a cat" and has the
attitude that furniture is more important than the mutilation of the cat, I
like to offend them deeply and as often as possible. *LOL*

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Judy - 02 Oct 2004 02:56 GMT
> Please help!  We adopted Roscoe at the pound 3 months ago.  He is now
> 5 months old.  He is a very active and healthy little guy, was
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> Thanks,
> Jill

By the sounds of it, if you have no knowledge about 5 month old cats, you
shouldn't even consider having children.
Jill - 04 Oct 2004 06:55 GMT
Gee, you're so friendly and helpful.  Thanks so much for taking the
time to read my message and post a reply not only useful for me but
for everyone else reading this.  You're obviously someone who not only
knows everything one could possibly know about raising kittens and
children, but are also incredibly patient, generous, and
compassionate!  I sure do wish there were more people like you in this
world.  You're the greatest!
Mary - 04 Oct 2004 08:10 GMT
> Gee, you're so friendly and helpful.  Thanks so much for taking the
> time to read my message and post a reply not only useful for me but
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> compassionate!  I sure do wish there were more people like you in this
> world.  You're the greatest!

Who are you talking to?
Wendy - 02 Oct 2004 11:56 GMT
> Please help!  We adopted Roscoe at the pound 3 months ago.  He is now
> 5 months old.  He is a very active and healthy little guy, was
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> Thanks,
> Jill

Pay attention to the cat's behavior. You might be missing signals that he's
had enough. If he bites or scratches put him down immediately, tell him no
and ignore him.

As for the chewing on pillowcases, if this has started recently it *might*
be related to teething. They shed their milk teeth sometime between 3 and 6
mos. old. His mouth may be bothering him and chewing might make it feel
better. I have a foster now who didn't lose the milk teeth before the
permanent teeth came in. He has duplicates of his canine teeth and his mouth
is a little sore as a result.

W
Mimi Yeung - 02 Oct 2004 12:16 GMT
 It so happens I adopted a kitten four months ago and she is now 6 months
old, and I suffer from similar problems.   She doesn't like petting as much
as she loves biting me.  When she is bored, she likes "enticing" me into the
bedroom by meowing miserably, then she hides herself behind the blankets,
pillows or whatever on the bed getting ready to strike.  She jumps out all
of a suddenly at one of my hands and bites it.  To add excitement for her, I
would dodge a few times before letting her get my hand.  It's all a game and
hinting practice she needs instinctively.

 This biting actually started soon after I adopted her.  It's just that she
was tiny then and her bites didn't cause much pain.  About two months ago, I
began to think it a behavioral problem that needs to be corrected.  I tried
stopping her in an angry voice and flicking her nose but to no avail, so the
only choice I had was give up playing when the biting got serious.   Maybe
she has learnt from this, or maybe she is maturing, her bites and attacks
are gradually getting milder.  She seems to be able to distinguish faked
cries and real cries of pain.  I notice that when she gets really excited,
she will hold and scratch and bite the pillow hard instead me.

 I actually talked to my vet about this biting problem two months ago when
the situation was in its worst, and he said unlike dogs, cats normally
prefers using their claws to showing their teeth.  The incessant biting is
likely to be a temporary behavior caused by teething.  This may explain why
my kitten is now easier on me now that her teething process has almost come
to an end.

 So, I believe the biting and chewing and scratching are all aspects of
kitties' growth which you can't change and yet need not be worried about.
I hope you can clench your teeth in the coming two to three months, trying
to minimize your loss by taking all the precautions possible while enjoying
the process, like I do.  I'm sure when she has grown into an independent big
lazy cat, I'll miss those troubled days when she bothered to struggle with
me.

 > Please help!  We adopted Roscoe at the pound 3 months ago.  He is now
 > 5 months old.  He is a very active and healthy little guy, was
 > neutered promptly when we adopted him, has a good appetite and gets
 > lots of play from us and our dog (whom we adopted at the same time).
 > At first I figured the biting was a kitten thing.  A play thing.  But
 > he WILL NOT STOP.  In fact, he seems to have a split personality.  It
 > isn't when he's worked up that he bites.  It's the opposite.  For
 > example, he'll come snuggle and relax for 10 or 15 minutes and then
 > all of a sudden attack my hand or my leg or whatever is closest.
 > He'll latch on and it's hard to peel him off.  He has learned to use
 > his scratch posts, uses the litter box, keeps off the kitchen table,
 > and is very, very sweet but this behavior is not getting better.
 > We've tried replacing human limbs with those of stuffed animals.  He's
 > not interested.  We've tried the squirt bottle.  It isn't sinking in.
 >
 > In addition to this, he has completely destroyed 3 sets of
 > pillowcases.  He chews on the corners of them.  Someone suggested this
 > may have to do with a definciency in his diet but we feed him a
 > natural and balanced kibble and he only does it while we are in bed at
 > night.
 >
 > He is a good kitty 90% of the time but I'm afraid we won't be able to
 > have kids around this cat and it might be best to try to find a new
 > home for him now rather than later.  He is an indoor cat.  Would
 > letting him outside help?  We live in an area in L.A. where cats
 > easily become coyote snacks which is why we haven't let him out.
 >
 > What to do to keep kitty?  Or is he Jeckyll and Hyde?
 >
 > Thanks,
 > Jill
Karen Chuplis - 02 Oct 2004 15:30 GMT
> It so happens I adopted a kitten four months ago and she is now 6 months
> old, and I suffer from similar problems.   She doesn't like petting as much
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> cries and real cries of pain.  I notice that when she gets really excited,
> she will hold and scratch and bite the pillow hard instead me.

That's how they learn. As SOON as biting starts, yell OWWWW and completely
stop play and ignore. They learn very quickly that it's not ok to bite.
These are solo kitties so they don't have any other way to learn biting
hurts as they would if they were playing with another cat. My cats have very
soft mouths now. The one I have that does bite (but not hard) is not one I
raised but got as an adult. If she bites, everything stops. Even she is
learning biting gets being ignored.
Mary - 02 Oct 2004 18:01 GMT
> > It so happens I adopted a kitten four months ago and she is now 6 months
> > old, and I suffer from similar problems.   She doesn't like petting as much
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> raised but got as an adult. If she bites, everything stops. Even she is
> learning biting gets being ignored.

Karen is right. The kittens bite you because you have not trained them not
to.
Period.
Jill - 04 Oct 2004 07:01 GMT
Thanks for your reply.  Helpful words from your vet.
Mary - 04 Oct 2004 08:11 GMT
> Thanks for your reply.  Helpful words from your vet.

Once again. WHO are you replying to?
Sherry - 03 Oct 2004 08:29 GMT
>He is a good kitty 90% of the time but I'm afraid we won't be able to
>have kids around this cat and it might be best to try to find a new
>home for him now rather than later.

If you can't put up with him, really, how can you expect someone else to? He's
a baby. You have to teach him. Don't give him *any* attention when he bites.
Put him on the floor and ignore him. Never use your hands to play...always use
a toy for pouncing and playing. It won't be that hard to train him. And as he
matures, grows older and settles down, it will get even easier. You just have
to be persistent and patient.

Sherry

 He is an indoor cat.  Would
>letting him outside help?  We live in an area in L.A. where cats
>easily become coyote snacks which is why we haven't let him out.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Thanks,
>Jill
 
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