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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / September 2004World's Best Litter
Here is a recommendation. Try 'The World's Best Litter". It is made of ground up corn, is un sented and works well. It absorbs liquid well enough that it never gets the litter box wet. It clumps very nicely and is flushable. We have been using it for about 6 months for 2 cats, cleaning it several times a day, and never have any odor except right after they have a bowel movement and have not covered it yet. I get it at a feed store for about $28 for a 30 pound sack. But, it is 100 % used. I never have to dump the litter like with clay products. Don >ere is a recommendation. Try 'The World's Best Litter". It is made of >ground up corn, is un sented and works well. It absorbs liquid well enough [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >the litter like with clay products. >Don Hi Don & all, I used to love this litter but heed a little warning (not terrible). When I opened my last couple of bags, moths flew out of the bags and I had a terrible time trying to get rid of them. I called the company and they were aware of it. If the Litter is stored at distributors too close to pet food, the moths relocate, so to speak, from the food to the litter. Since the litter is natural and corn-based, I believe, the moths manage to nest themselves in the littler. The problem lies with both the distributors and the pet stores. If anyone else has had this problem, I'd be interested in knowing how they dealt with it! Thanks, Diane > I used to love this litter but heed a little warning (not terrible). When I > opened my last couple of bags, moths flew out of the bags and I had a [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > else > has had this problem, I'd be interested in knowing how they dealt with it! I've got the meal moths, too, but they came into the house with bird seed, not WBCL. They haven't got into the cat litter, since the bags are such tough plastic, but they're in the birdseed and now also the dry catfood I keep for the ferals. (My indoor cats eat canned food.) I buy the special sticky moth traps for them and put them all around. That works pretty well. Also, in the winter I keep the birdseed and dry food in the enclosed porch which stays only a little warmer than the outside, and that deters the little bug(gers) during the cold season. Meal moths are almost impossible to totally eradicate, but they can be controlled. Priscilla In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.health+behav", Priscilla Ballou <vze23t8n@verizon.net> artfully composed this message within <news:vze23t8n-3D1162.13471723092004@news.verizon.net> on 23 Sep 2004: > Meal moths are almost impossible to totally eradicate, but they > can be controlled. You're not kidding! I had 'em for a while here when they came in a bag of catfood. The moths weren't too hard to control - Shamrock loved chasing them down and killing them. But I couldn't stand even looking at the little caterpillars because they would climb the walls in the kitchen, and only then was it that I knew where the moths were coming from.  SignatureCheryl > > I used to love this litter but heed a little warning (not terrible). When I > > opened my last couple of bags, moths flew out of the bags and I had a [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Priscilla I also had an infestation of meal moths one year, also from bird seed. Arghh. Took a while, but *finally* got rid of them. Had to chuck out a ton of food/staples in my pantry & replace it. No more bird seed getting stored inside the house! Cathy >From: "Cathy Friedmann" clfr@adelphia.net >I also had an infestation of meal moths one year, also from bird seed. >Arghh. Took a while, but *finally* got rid of them. Had to chuck out a ton >of food/staples in my pantry & replace it. No more bird seed getting stored >inside the house! Uh oh, I think I might have these. I also had been storing some bird seed in the house. But the funny thing is I thought they were coming from my basement. They're really small little dark moths, right? I've never seen any catapillers though. ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecatjournal.com/articles/claws.htm > >From: "Cathy Friedmann" clfr@adelphia.net > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > They're really small little dark moths, right? I've never seen any > catapillers though. Yep, tiny little dark moths, & if you catch/kill one with a tissue, it leaves a little dark smudge on the surface where it was. Cathy >From: "Cathy Friedmann" clfr@adelphia.net >> Uh oh, I think I might have these. I also had been storing some bird seed >in [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Cathy Shoot, this is what I have :( I killed about 4 of them this morning down our basement. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecatjournal.com/articles/claws.htm > >From: "Cathy Friedmann" clfr@adelphia.net > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Lauren Well, eventually you'll be rid of them, but it takes a while, IME. And if they invade your food cupboards, you'll have to replace flour, etc. Googling them, you may come across some method to eradicate them. In the caterpillar stage, they are also tiny little jobs - green, IIRC. Cathy >From: "Cathy Friedmann" clfr@adelphia.net >> >Yep, tiny little dark moths, & if you catch/kill one with a tissue, it >> >leaves a little dark smudge on the surface where it was. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >In the caterpillar stage, they are also tiny little jobs - green, IIRC. Thanks, Cathy. It seems that they are dying out, hopefully, between myself, my husband the Mickey and Meesha killing them. Unfortunately, I've got marks all over my walls though, lol. It's weird, but they were mainly in the basement and we keep no food down there. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecatjournal.com/articles/claws.htm > > >From: "Cathy Friedmann" clfr@adelphia.net > > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > In the caterpillar stage, they are also tiny little jobs - green, IIRC. I'm correcting myself here: tiny little brown jobs. The tiny little green caterpillars - I can 'see' them in my mind's eye, but can't place exactly what moth/butterfly they turn into in their next life stage... Cathy >>> From: "Cathy Friedmann" clfr@adelphia.net >> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Cathy When I had an infestation I found old fashioned fly paper rolls did a pretty good job of catching them. Beats chasing them down one by one or insecticides. Hang it around the areas they have infested. SignatureNelson >Yep, tiny little dark moths, & if you catch/kill one with a tissue, it >leaves a little dark smudge on the surface where it was. My mother called these "European meal moths," so perhaps they are not indigenous to North America. Nevertheless, they seem to have taken over the entire continent. Their favorite food is anything that is a combination of plant oils and starch. Bisquick (a North American product made of flour and oils, designed for making biscuits, pancakes and such), is a natural target. I once opened a package of Bisquick that hadn't been used in months. It was solid with them. They also love peanuts. They'll get into regular flour, but it isn't their number one choice. The larva is a small cream-colored caterpillar-like creature, about a quarter inch long with a dark dot on one end. They create a web-like environment around their eggs. They can chew through very light plastic or thin paper, but heavy paper will stop them. Tin foil will also stop them, but don't use it as a lid because it leaves little cracks they can get through. They can get through the cardboard outer box of Bisquick by going through the cracks, but can't get through the inner plasticized wrap. But once you open the inner wrap, they can get inside. They exist outdoors all over North America, so they will get into your house eventually. Even if you get rid of them, they will be back sooner or later. Once you discover them in your house, the best way to get rid of them is to remove all products they have gotten into and seal any that they have not gotten into yet. Their lifespan is short, so in a month or so they will be gone. As far as I know they carry no diseases for man or pets. They are just yucky and disgusting. -- Bogus e-mail address, but I read this newsgroup regularly, so reply here. to yet. Their lifespan is short, > so in a month or so they will be gone. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > -- > Bogus e-mail address, but I read this newsgroup regularly, so reply here. The only time I had them was from birdseed. Here in Florida, I am in the habit of putting perishables into the frige. I didn't store the seed there. I do now. LT "Linda Terrell" <lindat5@mindspring.com> wrote : > The only time I had them was from birdseed. > Here in Florida, I am in the habit of putting perishables into the > frige. I didn't store the seed there. I do now. > > LT This is a southern thing, I do it too. I transfer flour, bread mixes, corn meal, etc. to tupperware type things soon as I get them home and store them in the fridge. I never did that when I lived up north, but several experiences finding little black bugs in my flour down here changed that. >From: Marek Williams abc@example.com >They exist outdoors all over North America, so they will get into your >house eventually. Even if you get rid of them, they will be back >sooner or later. Once you discover them in your house, the best way to >get rid of them is to remove all products they have gotten into and >seal any that they have not gotten into yet. Their lifespan is short, >so in a month or so they will be gone. Thanks, Marek. I just can't figure out where they're coming from but at least they seem to be dwindling down. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecatjournal.com/articles/claws.htm >From: Priscilla Ballou vze23t8n@verizon.net >Meal moths are almost impossible to totally eradicate, but they can be >controlled. What do they look like? Are they really small? ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecatjournal.com/articles/claws.htm > >From: Priscilla Ballou vze23t8n@verizon.net > > >Meal moths are almost impossible to totally eradicate, but they can be > >controlled. > > What do they look like? Are they really small? Yup. Tiny, light brown or tan fluttery fluttery buggers. Priscilla -> >ere is a recommendation. Try 'The World's Best Litter". It is made of -> >ground up corn, is un sented and works well. It absorbs liquid well enough -> >that it never gets the litter box wet. It clumps very nicely and is -> >flushable. We have been using it for about 6 months for 2 cats, cleaning it -> >several times a day, and never have any odor except right after they have a -> >bowel movement and have not covered it yet. I get it at a feed store for -> >about $28 for a 30 pound sack. But, it is 100 % used. I never have to dump -> >the litter like with clay products. -> >Don -> > -> -> Hi Don & all, -> -> I used to love this litter but heed a little warning (not terrible). When I -> opened my last couple of bags, moths flew out of the bags and I had a -> terrible -> time trying to get rid of them. -> -> I called the company and they were aware of it. If the Litter is stored at -> distributors too close to pet food, the moths relocate, so to speak, from -> the -> food to the litter. Since the litter is natural and corn-based, I believe, -> the -> moths manage to nest themselves in the littler. -> -> The problem lies with both the distributors and the pet stores. If anyone -> else -> has had this problem, I'd be interested in knowing how they dealt with it! If the bags are small enough, put them in the freezer for at least 24 hours -- preferably 48. This will kill whatever happens to be in the bag. Do this with bird seed or anything else that has moths in it. Signature8^)~~~ Sue (remove the x to e-mail) ~~~~~~ "I reserve the absolute right to be smarter today than I was yesterday." -Adlai Stevenson http://www.suzanne-eckhardt.com/ ***Revelation 22:12*** ICQ: 349878998 In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.health+behav", Suzie-Q <sme617x@earthlink.net> artfully composed this message within <news:sme617x-60285D.18134623092004@news2.west.earthlink.net> on 23 Sep 2004: > If the bags are small enough, put them in the freezer for at > least 24 hours -- preferably 48. This will kill whatever happens > to be in the bag. > > Do this with bird seed or anything else that has moths in it. This is a good start. I meant to follow up on how I got rid of them, so I'll just do so here. To the OP: If the moths have gotten free and are flying around, they've likely bred. Go through everything in your kitchen cabinets, pantry, any food storage area and anything that isn't air-tight has to be thrown away. Look for thick webs like cotton and remove it from wherever it is - inside of cabinets, between refrigerator and wall, near ceiling (this is where I always found the caterpillars, or worms as they're usually called). When dry- type food like rice or noodles, etc, is opened, immediately put the leftover box/bag into a ziplock bag or dump into an airtight plastic storage container. It literally took months for me to get rid of these f'kers even when there was no food source for them, but finally did and I just keep everything airtight, especially pet food. But I've never found more in pet food since then - it came from cheap grocery store food I was feeding strays. SignatureCheryl > I used to love this litter but heed a little warning (not terrible). When I > opened my last couple of bags, moths flew out of the bags and I had a terrible [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > The problem lies with both the distributors and the pet stores. If anyone else > has had this problem, I'd be interested in knowing how they dealt with it! If the bag of litter will fit in your freezer for a few days, that should kill the moths, larvae and eggs. Signaturejamie (jamiemck@newsguy.com) "There's a seeker born every minute." Thank you all for the ideas on the meal moths - I didn't know that's what they were! Nasty buggers - there are still some hanging out in my basement! I actually loved the litter but the moths stopped me from using it. I just don't have a big enough freezer to fit the entire bag in. And opening it defeats the problem. Maybe I'll wait again until winter to leave the bag out on the back porch. As luck will have it, it will probably be a warm winter here in New York! Diane >From: compatissant@aol.commoner (Compatissant) > Maybe I'll wait again until winter to leave the bag out >on the back porch. As luck will have it, it will probably be a warm winter >here in New York! I was storing some Shweat Scoop litter in my garage but then found a bag of it torn open. I think chipmunks did it. ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecatjournal.com/articles/claws.htm Word of advice, use a scoopable litter. I am now on my third brand because Walmart discontinued carrying Lasting Pride. I ended up switching to Cat's Pride since it was made by the same company. The cats have had no problems with the change in litter. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > Hi Don & all, > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Thanks, > Diane >>Try 'The World's Best Litter". >I used to love this litter but heed a little warning (not terrible). When I >opened my last couple of bags, moths flew out of the bags and I had a terrible [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >food to the litter. Since the litter is natural and corn-based, I believe, the >moths manage to nest themselves in the littler. are the moths in any way dangerous to the cats, or just annoying? -L > >>Try 'The World's Best Litter". > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > are the moths in any way dangerous to the cats, or just annoying? I'm not aware of them being dangerous, but they're mega annoying, IMO, since they invade your food! Cathy > -L > >>Try 'The World's Best Litter". > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > are the moths in any way dangerous to the cats, or just annoying? Delightful for the cats -- mine love chasing them and even manage to catch them sometimes -- but highly annoying to the humans. Priscilla > > >>Try 'The World's Best Litter". > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Delightful for the cats -- mine love chasing them and even manage to catch them sometimes -- but highly annoying to the humans. Free toys! I vote for Feline Pine (which was developed by a vet). It's the only litter my cat will allow to be used. It absorbs moisture & odors very well. If it wasn't for the pellets I have to pick up on the floor when my cat comes out of the box, I'd give it a "10". >I vote for Feline Pine (which was developed by a vet). It's the only litter >my >cat will allow to be used. It absorbs moisture & odors very well. If it >wasn't >for the pellets I have to pick up on the floor when my cat comes out of the >box, I'd give it a "10". Our kitten, just turning a year, will use the Feline Pine but our old curmudgeon (9) will not! He chose to poop outside the box to let me know he wasn't happy <sigh>. Changed the litter back and he's a happy camper. Diane >Our kitten, just turning a year, will >use the Feline Pine but our old >curmudgeon (9) will not! Same in this house. I have 2 cats and 2 litterboxes (in the bedroom)..one in the livingroom. Sammy uses 2 boxes w/newspapers only; Nellie Belle uses only one in the bedroom with feline pine. She would not use the box with any other litter/newspaper. > I have 2 cats and 2 litterboxes (in the bedroom)..one in >the livingroom. Sammy uses 2 boxes w/newspapers only. They sell a litter made from newspaper. Is that what Sammy uses or is it newspaper you shred yourself? I have a big shredder and I've thought of trying it, but I've been afraid of what would happen if I left newspaper on the floor. :) BarB > Here is a recommendation. Try 'The World's Best Litter". It is made of > ground up corn, is un sented and works well. It absorbs liquid well enough [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the litter like with clay products. > Don I used TWBCL for quite a long time, & liked *many* aspects of it. But... I also discovered that it tracked like crazy throughout the house. All *over* the place. Couldn't deal w/ the amount of tracking any longer & switched back to a clay clumping litter. Cathy |
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