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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / September 2004Woman Let's Go Of Cat To Survive
A woman in this story due to the floodwaters caused by Hurricane Ivan actually let her cat's cage (yes with the cat inside) go so she could survive. This is horrible. It just goes to show you that some people care more about themselves in a crisis situation. Her response about the whole situation of letting her cat go was the following: ""All of these material things I'm thinking about floating down the river don't mean a hill of beans," she said. "I do miss my kitty, though." I find it disgusting that there are plenty of people like this who take such a passive view. I can only picture with sadness as this cat is meowing and meowing as he/she floats (or probably went under the water causing the cat to drown) down the floodwaters while the human waves goodbye. My only hope is that this woman does not get another cat. You can read the entire story here. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040918/ap_on_re_us/ivan_remn ants&cid=519&ncid=716  SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > A woman in this story due to the floodwaters caused by Hurricane Ivan > actually let her cat's cage (yes with the cat inside) go so she could [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > You can read the entire story here. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040918/ap_on_re_us/ivan_remn ants&cid=519&ncid=716 Would it have been better if both she and the cat drown? Signature-Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net www.kelltek.com Check out www.snittens.com She didn't need to let the cat go especially with the poor feline inside the cage. I would have done everything possible to make sure the cat was also saved. This woman also took a rather passive view at the whole thing as if to treat this cat as an object. That cat was a life and she let that cat drown so she could save herself. I have to wonder if she would have done this to another human. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > Would it have been better if both she and the cat drown? >She didn't need to let the cat go especially with the poor feline inside the >cage. I would have done everything possible to make sure the cat was also >saved. This woman also took a rather passive view at the whole thing as if >to treat this cat as an object. That cat was a life and she let that cat >drown so she could save herself. I have to wonder if she would have done >this to another human. Dont judge the woman by the one single quote the reporter chose to use. She may be totally devasted by the loss of her cat for all you know. Sherry >> She didn't need to let the cat go especially with the poor feline inside the >> cage. I would have done everything possible to make sure the cat was also [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > be totally devasted by the loss of her cat for all you know. > Sherry You Guys!!!! This is CP? Are you bored or something? Accept and move on. >> Dont judge the woman by the one single quote the reporter chose to use. She >> may >> be totally devasted by the loss of her cat for all you know. >> Sherry > >You Guys!!!! This is CP? Are you bored or something? Accept and move on. Sigh. Sorry Karen. I just can't stand it when somebody sits all high and mighty and says "OH, I wouldn't do that." When none of us knows *what* we would do. CP is making it sound like the woman made a calculated decision like "Gee, I can't hang onto this carrier and save myself, too. I think I'll sacrifice the cat to save my a.s. Bye, Kitty." When everything probably happened so fast, and the woman may have *tried* and lacked the physical strength to hang on to it. I really doubt the woman was as blase about it as the reporter makes it sound. Reporters have a way of "reporting" a story to the angle they choose, and taking a quote completely out of context. I also bet a weird self-preservation mode kicks in when we're in a panic situation. Some people would lose their lives trying to save their cats; I think everybody would for their kids. But they don't "think" and "decide". It just kicks in. Sherry I live in NC and just a few minutes ago there was a story about the flooding in this state. Actually it has been the main story for quite a number of days. They interviewed a college student who was stranded. Her comment was (as she was looking over the destruction) that if it is this bad as far inland as we are she can't imagine how bad it is on the coast. Even the northern part of our county has seen destruction from flooding and we are 2 hours away from the hardest hit areas of the state. Some people are dealing with flooding of their homes 2-3 times in the last month. I also agree with the posters who feel that the whole story was not told. The one time I wrote a letter to the editor it was printed in the paper but it was also edited which changed the meaning of my comments. Michele What Ivan wreaked on that part of the United States was terrible but it's not over yet as Hurricane Jeanne is on its way to Florida. I feel bad for a lot of people that lost their homes and some stayed because they didn't want to abandon their animals since none of the human shelters allowed them. I respect the hell out the people that stayed as I couldn't willingly abandon my cats just to reach a human shelter to wait out the storm. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com >I live in NC and just a few minutes ago there was a story about the > flooding in [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Michele > >> Dont judge the woman by the one single quote the reporter chose to use. She > >> may [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Sherry Exactly how I feel. > >> Dont judge the woman by the one single quote the reporter chose to use. She > >> may [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Sherry What I don't understand is this: why not let the cat out of the carrier so it can at least try to swim to safety? I'm just puzzled. -L. > What I don't understand is this: why not let the cat out of the > carrier so it can at least try to swim to safety? I'm just puzzled. They didn't realize the truck was floating when water started seeping in, and they were already up to their necks in water inside the sinking truck before they could get the door open to escape. The cat was probably already under water. Signaturejamie (jamiemck@newsguy.com) "There's a seeker born every minute." > > What I don't understand is this: why not let the cat out of the > > carrier so it can at least try to swim to safety? I'm just puzzled. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the sinking truck before they could get the door open to escape. > The cat was probably already under water. They also did not realize how deep the water was until they managed to get out -- and out themselves in water over their heads, then had to swim and managed to grab a floating propane tank. It wasn't clear fromt the article when the woman led go of the carrier. I suspect she may have had it in her hands when they exited the truck and lost it after that. MaryL > >> She didn't need to let the cat go especially with the poor feline inside the > >> cage. I would have done everything possible to make sure the cat was also [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > You Guys!!!! This is CP? Are you bored or something? Accept and move on. Nah. Sometimes shooting fish in a barrell is relaxing. :-) >Sometimes shooting fish in a >barrell is relaxing. :-) Not the best choice of a phrase..! I am not a troll though, just someone who is completely upset at how some humans treat cats as objects when given an emergency situation. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > >Sometimes shooting fish in a >barrell is relaxing. :-) > > Not the best choice of a phrase..! > >Sometimes shooting fish in a >barrell is relaxing. :-) > > Not the best choice of a phrase..! <G> You a fish lover, are you? -> "Cat Protector" <catprotector@cox.net> wrote in message -> news:QoN2d.46818$OZ6.8633@okepread06... -> > A woman in this story due to the floodwaters caused by Hurricane Ivan -> > actually let her cat's cage (yes with the cat inside) go so she could -> > survive. <<snipped>> -> -> Would it have been better if both she and the cat drown? If my pets were going to die, I'd probably prefer to be dead myself. I couldn't live with the guilt of having let them go to their death. Signature8^(~~~ Sue (remove the x to e-mail) ~~~~~~ "I reserve the absolute right to be smarter today than I was yesterday." -Adlai Stevenson http://www.suzanne-eckhardt.com/ ***Revelation 22:12*** ICQ: 349878998 I see my cats as my kids so as a parent I'd risk my life to save them. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com "Suzie-Q" <sme617x@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:sme617x- > If my pets were going to die, I'd probably prefer to be dead > myself. I couldn't live with the guilt of having let them go > to their death. >I see my cats as my kids so as a parent I'd risk my life to save them. And yet, in another thread, you're trying to figure out ways to save a few shekels by using human toothpaste & toothbrushes on them........ eq >From: ">equalizer <> >>I see my cats as my kids so as a parent I'd risk my life to save them. > >And yet, in another thread, you're trying to figure out ways to save a >few shekels by using human toothpaste & toothbrushes on them........ Damn good point! LOL ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecatjournal.com/articles/claws.htm > I see my cats as my kids And there I was thinking that inter-species sex was invariably barren. Steve. Cat Protector <catprotector@cox.net> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > A woman in this story due to the floodwaters caused by Hurricane > Ivan actually let her cat's cage (yes with the cat inside) go so [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040918/ap_on_re > _us/ivan_remnants&cid=519&ncid=716 Hopefully you'll never have to face such a difficult decision. Obviously it's all beyond your comprehension. SignatureBrandy??Alexandre? http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? >I find it disgusting that there are plenty of people like this who take such >a passive view. I can only picture with sadness as this cat is meowing and >meowing as he/she floats (or probably went under the water causing the cat >to drown) down the floodwaters while the human waves goodbye. My only hope >is that this woman does not get another cat. This is probably dumb of me from a survival point of view but I wouldn't have let go of the carrier. I would have hated myself for the rest of my life if I let my kitty go. Of course I was a lifegaurd, on the mens water polo team, national swim team. To be fair, I wasn't there so I can't really judge how bad it was BUT she could have at least let the cat out of the carrier. It would have stood a chance that way. They can swim, probably would have grabbed ahold of something. So sad. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- From: mmmaryinla@aol.comspam (Mary) >To be fair, I wasn't there so I can't really judge how bad >it was BUT she could have at least let the cat out of the carrier. It would >have stood a chance that way. They can swim, probably would have grabbed ahold >of something. So sad. The poor cat would have probably climbed on her back, dug in the claws, and gone along for the ride to safety. The bad decision was to put the cat in the carrier when there was the danger of having to drop the carrier for self preservation. I probably would have put a rope around the cat's neck, the other end around mine, and held the cat tightly on my shoulder. By the time I needed both hands to save myself, I doubt the cat would want to go anywhere. But no matter what, if I made it to the other side, so would the cat. But I've body surfed the big waves in Hawaii so rough water and heavy current is no big deal to me (insert macho shrug here). The woman was probably in a real panic and that tends to cause stupidity to occur. Add in a little ignorance and inexperience with water and the situation can go critical real fast. It sucks, but it happens. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > carrier when there was the danger of having to drop the carrier for self > preservation. Yes. And yet many of us would do this, expecting just to make it to shelter and not wanting the cat to get panicked and lost on the way. I probably would have put a rope around the cat's neck, the other > end around mine, and held the cat tightly on my shoulder. By the time I > needed both hands to save myself, I doubt the cat would want to go anywhere. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > to occur. Add in a little ignorance and inexperience with water and the situation > can go critical real fast. It sucks, but it happens. Nicely put. And, even though her words seem to make little of it, I feel certain she is beating herself up over her cat's horrible death. >A woman in this story due to the floodwaters caused by Hurricane Ivan actually let >her cat's cage (yes with the cat inside) go so she could survive. This is horrible. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040918/ap_on_re_us/ivan_remn ants&cid=519&ncid=716 I don't think it's fair for you to make judgements on people in crisis situations in which their life was at stake, when you're sitting safely by your computer. And as others have pointed out it would have served no one if all had drowned. Adam > I don't think it's fair for you to make judgements on people in crisis situations in > which their life was at stake, when you're sitting safely by your computer. And as > others have pointed out it would have served no one if all had drowned. CP would still be deciding if he had the guts to pee his pants as they *all* went under. I hadn't realized this thread was created to be putting me down. Did your lifeguard training require put-downs of people here? It is amazing that some can't discuss a topic without acting like kids. I certainly will not apologize for my love of my cats. I would not allow them to drown if faced with that decision. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > CP would still be deciding if he had the guts to pee his pants > as they *all* went under. > I hadn't realized this thread was created to be putting me down. Did your > lifeguard training require put-downs of people here? It is amazing that some > can't discuss a topic without acting like kids. I certainly will not > apologize for my love of my cats. I would not allow them to drown if faced > with that decision. People who condemn the actions of those who find themselves in terrifying situations never experienced by their critics quite simply do not know what the hell they are talking about. Reminds me of the stories about Jacqueline Kennedy after her husband was shot. People felt she was disloyal or less than honorable because she fled the car after having her husband's head explode all over her. Mary <crazyaboutfelines@yahoo.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: >> I hadn't realized this thread was created to be putting me down. >> Did your lifeguard training require put-downs of people here? It [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > than honorable because she fled the car after having her > husband's head explode all over her. People like Cat Protector are the types who run while on fire, run outside during an earthquake, watch out the window during a tornado, and so on. Personally, I would have evacuated with my pets long before the storm hit. That would have guaranteed the survival of all concerned. But given the circumstances, there really wasn't a great deal she could do, and given my personal experience with reporters and writers, I take the tone of the text with a grain of salt. SignatureBrandy??Alexandre? http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? Actually the people like me would have had an emergency evacuation plan and actually practice it so when the real thing happened I and my felines would be well prepared. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > People like Cat Protector are the types who run while on fire, run > outside during an earthquake, watch out the window during a tornado, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > deal she could do, and given my personal experience with reporters and > writers, I take the tone of the text with a grain of salt. > Actually the people like me would have had an emergency evacuation plan and > actually practice it so when the real thing happened I and my felines would > be well prepared. All the plans in the world won't help you when a violent storm that's not expected to go near you suddenly changes direction, or a storm that's expected to pass through fairly quickly stops moving and squats on your area. The predicted path of Ivan was supposed to go well west of where these people lived along a river. The Blizzard of '78 in New England, for example, was expected to be a minor 2 to 3 inch snowfall, but 3 air masses suddenly and unexpectedly came together, and dropped 2 1/2 feet of snow in Boston, 3 to 4 feet in other areas, with up to 60 mph winds blowing drifts two and three times that high. It went from the start of snow flurries to blizzard conditions in about an hour, and more 10,000 people were stranded in their cars on the highways. Unexpected tidal flooding on the coast was more than 12 feet. Weather is not always something you can plan for, because it doesn't always match the predictions. You've also completely ignored the fact mentioned by other people, that in a lot of areas, animals were not allowed at the emergency shelters. Signaturejamie (jamiemck@newsguy.com) "There's a seeker born every minute." Even in a situation like this, I was simply pointing out how some people see their cats as nothing more than property. She could have taken the cat out of the carrier to give the animal a fighting chance. She didn't and then let the poor float away (a cat carrier filled with water will not float but a cat out of the carrier can swim and certainly weighs less) and drown. Emergency officials also advise that you do not drive your vehicle through a flood. The highest point would be the roof of your house and it would have been safer there than being in that truck. With the pounding of Ivan some stayed behind to weather the storm because they did want to abandon their animals. I respect these people who did that. I also believe that in a crisis situation that you also have a sound evacuation plan and as tough as it may seem, you do not panic. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > People who condemn the actions of those who find themselves > in terrifying situations never experienced by their critics quite [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > than honorable because she fled the car after having her > husband's head explode all over her. >She could have taken the cat out of the >carrier to give the animal a fighting >chance. Out of the mouths of simpletons... Maybe this didn't occur to you, but it takes TWO hands to open a carrier. Maybe you can explain how, when you're holding on to a carrier with one hand and precariously holding on to a *wet,* slippery floating object while in high speed flood waters with the other how you could open the carrier. Sheesh. I have to wonder how you even manage to get dressed in the morning. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray >From: "Mary" crazyaboutfelines@yahoo.com >> I don't think it's fair for you to make judgements on people in crisis >situations in [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >CP would still be deciding if he had the guts to pee his pants >as they *all* went under. No doubt, no doubt at all... ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecatjournal.com/articles/claws.htm > >From: "Mary" crazyaboutfelines@yahoo.com > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > No doubt, no doubt at all... But nasty, nonetheless. low five .... .... lowww five ;) Are you saying you would have let the cat drown? SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > I don't think it's fair for you to make judgements on people in crisis > situations in which their life was at stake, when you're sitting safely by > your computer. And as others have pointed out it would have served no one > if all had drowned. > > Adam > Are you saying you would have let the cat drown? I am saying this person was in a situation where her life was at stake, things were happening quickly and she had to make quick decisions. She may have decided going into the truck to pull out the cage was futile and would have cost both lives. In any case it's not right to make judgements on someone in that situation. For one thing you don't know the details. Though I like animals I can't fault her that she saved her life and not gone into the truck. One of the rules you learn in lifesaving is that you must save yourself first as it does no good for both to drown. Another analogy is people who allow another to die so they may survive themselves--as happens often in war. It's not right to make judegments on such actions as no one knows how we would behave under such circumstances. It is certainly understandable to sacrifice an animal to save yourself. Adam Adam Helberg <sendspamhere@yahoo.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: >> Are you saying you would have let the cat drown? > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Adam You can't logic to CP. We have all the timein the world to dissect the situation and develop alternatives, but he cannot grasp the concept of emergencies, adrenaline, disasters, or anything of the sort. Yes, he thinks you can grab a propane tank passing in swift flood water with one hand. Or you should at least try and risk missing it. Or that you should let go of whatever is currently saving your life to open a cage. I don't know about your pet taxi, but mine isn't all that easy to open sitting on the floor in my living room, not to mention water over one's head. Maybe the cat would have swam and survived and maybe not. We're talking about a very violent storm and it feeling abandon and afraid, and having to struggle for its life and possibly dying more slowly. Seems a swift drowning was a little more humane given the circumstances. SignatureBrandy??Alexandre? http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? I could return your comment with a put-down but you really make no sense with that first statement. I am not a bad person but I feel this issue needs to be discussed as we all must think of creating an evacuation plan for our animals. A lot of people do not do this. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > You can't logic to CP. We have all the timein the world to dissect the > situation and develop alternatives, but he cannot grasp the concept of [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Seems a swift drowning was a little more humane given the > circumstances. Cat Protector <catprotector@cox.net> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > I could return your comment with a put-down but you really make no > sense with that first statement. I am not a bad person but I feel > this issue needs to be discussed as we all must think of creating > an evacuation plan for our animals. A lot of people do not do > this. If that's how this thread started I might belive you. But you can't spin out of this now. SignatureBrandy??Alexandre? http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? >Cat Protector <catprotector@cox.net> wrote in >rec.pets.cats.health+behav: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >If that's how this thread started I might belive you. But you can't >spin out of this now. I agree. The horseshit meter is spinning. The thread was started for CP to sit high and dry in Arizona and condemn somebody for losing their cat and try to prove by one repititious, boorish post after another that he's the best cat owner in the universe. Sherry Sherry On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 21:33:45 GMT, "Brandy Alexandre" <brandy@kamikaze.orgy> wrote: >Cat Protector <catprotector@cox.net> wrote in >rec.pets.cats.health+behav: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >If that's how this thread started I might belive you. But you can't >spin out of this now. LOL! > A woman in this story due to the floodwaters caused by Hurricane Ivan > actually let her cat's cage (yes with the cat inside) go so she could [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > You can read the entire story here. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040918/ap_on_re_us/ivan_remn ants&cid=519&ncid=716 Did you read the full story? I can't imagine how devastating it would be to face something like this. One of my greatest fears has always been that I would lose one of my cats in something like a fire or flood and not be able to save it. At the same time, the man and woman in this article had stepped out of their truck only to find that the vehicle had actually been floating because they were in water over their heads. According to the article, they swam as hard as they could and managed to grab a floating propane tank. In rapidly swirling water like that, how could the woman possibly hold the cat's carrier or even open it? She was probably hanging on as hard as she could to avoid being washed away. Flood waters are unbelievably powerful, and I don't see how any of us can really say what we could or would do in those circumstances. I do think her remark about "missing her kitty" was entirely too cavalier, but we also do not know if she was accurately quoted or what her state of mind was at the time, considering what she had been through. http://tinyurl.com/66feb MaryL > > A woman in this story due to the floodwaters caused by Hurricane Ivan > > actually let her cat's cage (yes with the cat inside) go so she could [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > > > You can read the entire story here. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040918/ap_on_re_us/ivan_remn ants&cid=519&ncid=716 > Did you read the full story? I can't imagine how devastating it would be to > face something like this. One of my greatest fears has always been that I [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > MaryL On the few occasions when I had personal knowledge about a story published in the newspaper they got the story wrong every time. Some mistakes were worse than others but in every case there was an inaccurate statement or quote. We don't know if this woman said something between saying her property wasn't important and saying she missed her cat. We also don't know if she elaborated about her feelings about the cat and that wasn't included. Her inclination was to save the cat or it wouldn't have been in the truck with her. It makes sense to have the cat confined so if it freaked out it couldn't get away. Once they realized the truck was floating there probably wasn't time to roust the cat out of the cage/carrier or she still felt the cat would be safer confined so it wouldn't leap out of her arms into the flood waters. Maybe by that time she was so scared she just couldn't think straight. Maybe in those circumstances there is no thinking straight. It's hard to say what one would do in her position. None of us was there. I'm sure all of us would do the best we could to save our guys but who knows whether we would be able to save them or not. W Driving a truck through a raging flood was not a smart thing to do. When we get flooding in the washes here due to a rainstorm you'd be surprised how many people try to drive their cars through it and get stuck despite signs being posted that say "don't drive through when flooded." This woman could have saved the cat if she had wanted to. Simply opening the cage would have given the cat a fighting chance to survive. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > On the few occasions when I had personal knowledge about a story published > in the newspaper they got the story wrong every time. Some mistakes were [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > W Yes, it was read but you can actually grab onto a floating propane tank with one arm while holding a cat in the other. These people seemed to wait until the last minute to evacuate. When there is flooding water you don't drive your truck through it. She also could have opened the cage and given the cat a chance considering a cat can swim and possibly gotten to higher ground or had a fighting chance. This woman was entirely too light on the situation about letting her cat go as if he/she were a part of their possessions floating away. It makes me wonder if people like this would also let a human child drown so they could save their own necks. In a crisis situation, it is amazing how expendable an animal can be to some humans. They ask so little from us as humans and when faced with crisis some would rather let the animal suffer in order to save their own necks. It is terrible that Ivan wreaked so much havoc but despite this one story there were others coming out of the region where people actually stayed with their cats, dogs and other animals instead of leaving them behind in the house. If I was unable to evacuate, I'd certainly stay with mine. My cats are my kids so I wouldn't abandon them in a crisis. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > Did you read the full story? I can't imagine how devastating it would be > to [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > MaryL >Yes, it was read but you can actually grab onto a floating propane tank with >one arm while holding a cat in the other. Yes, and then you can put the cat carrier in your mouth, grab a hammer, board and nails as it floats by with the free hand, and build yourself a raft. Voila! I don't know why she didn't think of that. Stupid bitch. That's what I would have done for sure. Sherry > Stupid bitch. That's what I would > have done for sure. Now, now, Sherry, is that kind of language really *necessary?* [Tongue firmly planted in cheek.] >> Stupid bitch. That's what I would >> have done for sure. > >Now, now, Sherry, is that kind of language really *necessary?* > >[Tongue firmly planted in cheek.] Sorry. I just got carried away by the sheer sport of it all. If fishing is a sport, and hunting is a sport, isn't shooting fish in a barrel also a sport? Arrgh. Karen's right, you know. Sherry > >> Stupid bitch. That's what I would > >> have done for sure. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Sorry. I just got carried away by the sheer sport of it all. > If fishing is a sport, and hunting is a sport, isn't shooting fish in a barrel also a sport? lol! > Arrgh. Karen's right, you know. > > Sherry I do. I try to take the high road when I can but there are days when the low road has its uses. >Subject: Woman Let's Go Of Cat To Survive >Path: >lobby!ngtf-m01.news.aol.com!ngpeer.news.aol.com!feed2.newsreader.com!news reader.com!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!proxad.net!newsfe ed.stueberl.de!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!p01!okepread06.POSTED!53ab2750!not-f or-mail >From: "Cat Protector" catprotector@cox.net >Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >to drown) down the floodwaters while the human waves goodbye. My only hope >is that this woman does not get another cat. Oh, yes... I agree... How selfish human beings can become at a time when their lives are on the line. Selfish vermin swine. Look, tweedle-dee.... If you were the size of a mouse, your own cat would EAT YOU. Believe that. IBen Getiner >From: "Cat Protector" catprotector@cox.net >A woman in this story due to the floodwaters caused by Hurricane Ivan >actually let her cat's cage (yes with the cat inside) go so she could >survive. This is horrible. It just goes to show you that some people care >more about themselves in a crisis situation. What are you nuts? Of course she should have saved herself. Argh!! Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecatjournal.com/articles/claws.htm > >From: "Cat Protector" catprotector@cox.net > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > What are you nuts? Of course she should have saved herself. Argh!! Right on both counts. Priscilla Beat me up all you want but I have to wonder how many of you when given the situation would actually save their cats or treated them as property and let them float away? I know I would have saved my cats. You can't put a price value on a living, breathing creature. My cats are like my kids and deserve the same chance at survival as I do in a crisis situation. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > Right on both counts. > > Priscilla > Beat me up all you want but I have to wonder how many of you when given the > situation would actually save their cats or treated them as property and let > them float away? I know I would have saved my cats. You can't put a price > value on a living, breathing creature. My cats are like my kids and deserve > the same chance at survival as I do in a crisis situation. While I would never wish this situation on anyone, I would give everything I have to be a "fly-on-the-wall" with a camcorder if this ever happened to you. It will never happen to me (unless of course I was not home when the incident occured) because I have an emergency plan if I ever need to evacuate my home including what to pack for the duration of the emergency. My emergency plan also includes the cats. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > While I would never wish this situation on anyone, I would > give everything I have to be a "fly-on-the-wall" with a camcorder if this > ever happened to you. > It will never happen to me (unless of course I was not home when the > incident occured) because I have an emergency plan if I ever need to > evacuate my home including what to pack for the duration of the emergency. > My emergency plan also includes the cats. And nothing would ever go wrong with your plan. You are, apparently, incapable of making a mistake? Priscilla > It will never happen to me (unless of course I was not home when the > incident occured) because I have an emergency plan if I ever need to > evacuate my home including what to pack for the duration of the emergency. > My emergency plan also includes the cats. My emergency plan for flooding involves me going 'oooohfuckinellicantSWIM' and making curious 'glub' noises for the next few minutes. Fortunately I have trained my cats to drag me into the people-carrier, and I have encouraged them to grab passing propane tanks without letting go of me. I feel quite secure. Steve. > "Cat Protector" <catprotector@cox.net> wrote (much to fulfil his own ego) in message news:<TSZ2d.46885$OZ6.30092@okepread06>... > > It will never happen to me (unless of course I was not home when the > > incident occured) because I have an emergency plan if I ever need to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > the people-carrier, and I have encouraged them to grab passing propane > tanks without letting go of me. LOL Too Funny, I wonder if I can can train my parrot to be coxswain, row row row harder, to the left! Avoid the floating house! row row row >My emergency plan for flooding involves me going >'oooohfuckinellicantSWIM' and making curious 'glub' noises for the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Steve. Good plan. You're secure as long as you have something the cats need. Thumbs. If they ever figure out how to open those cans on their own, you better start taking swimming lessons. Sherry As long as we are on the subject of saving one's cats....how many people have thought about what to do about their beloved cats in case of a fire? Is the cat carrier within reach? Is there an route in place? Do you know (in practice) how to remain calm so that you don't scare the cats before you are able to get them to safety? I actually would put the carriers in an easy to reach place and learn all the places in a household a cat would hide. I would also not loose your cool and remain as calm as possible because if you aren't, you can make some serious mistakes. Also, it might be advisable to take animal CPR courses just in case. Also, prepare an emergency kit for the animal which includes such things as food, water, medicine, a collar (and a leash if possible), ID, medical records, litterbox, cat litter, bandages and maybe a toy or two so they have something familiar to help keep them calm. Make sure that you also put the kit in a safe but easily accessed spot in case you need to evacuate in a hurry. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > As long as we are on the subject of saving one's cats....how many people > have [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > get > them to safety? In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.health+behav", "Cat Protector" <catprotector@cox.net> artfully composed this message within <news:A5 _2d.46890$OZ6.35021@okepread06> on 18 Sep 2004: <fire scenerio> > I actually would put the carriers in an easy to reach place Too late. They need to already be there. SignatureCheryl How is being able to reach the carriers easily in an emergency being too late? Unless you have a carrier attached to your arm it is not too late. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > Too late. They need to already be there. You have carriers in every room in your house? I hope you have a fire suit in every room in case the fire is between you and your cat/s W > How is being able to reach the carriers easily in an emergency being too > late? Unless you have a carrier attached to your arm it is not too late. > > > Too late. They need to already be there. No but I keep them in the most accessable room that allows for quick escape in case of fire. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > You have carriers in every room in your house? I hope you have a fire suit > in every room in case the fire is between you and your cat/s [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >> > Too late. They need to already be there. Yea unless that's the room where the fire is > No but I keep them in the most accessable room that allows for quick escape > in case of fire. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >> > >> > Too late. They need to already be there. In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.health+behav", "Cat Protector" <catprotector@cox.net> artfully composed this message within <news:0d03d.46918$OZ6.9503@okepread06> on 18 Sep 2004: >> In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.health+behav", "Cat >> Protector" <catprotector@cox.net> artfully composed this >> message within <news:A5 _2d.46890$OZ6.35021@okepread06> on 18 >> Sep 2004: >> <fire scenerio> > >>> I actually would put the carriers in an easy to reach place >> Too late. They need to already be there. > > How is being able to reach the carriers easily in an emergency > being too late? Unless you have a carrier attached to your arm > it is not too late. I was merely questioning your use of the words "I would..." because it sounds as if you have a plan in your head, but don't really have anything set up. SignatureCheryl > I actually would put the carriers in an easy to reach place and learn all > the places in a household a cat would hide. I would also not loose your cool > and remain as calm as possible because if you aren't, you can make some > serious mistakes. And how do you intend to remain calm in an extreme situation that you've not experienced before? You just do not know how you'll react, until you're in the Big Stinkin' Venus Flytrap of Disaster. > Also, it might be advisable to take animal CPR courses > just in case. Also, prepare an emergency kit for the animal which includes > such things as food, water, medicine, a collar (and a leash if possible), > ID, medical records, litterbox, cat litter, bandages and maybe a toy or two > so they have something familiar to help keep them calm. And a shopping trolley to put all the stuff in... But it is very important to remember a cat toy or two when your house is being flooded by vast tidal waves, yes. We must keep the correct things at the top of the pecking order. Steve. >As long as we are on the subject of saving one's cats....how many people have >thought about what to do about their beloved cats in case of a fire? Is the >cat carrier within reach? Is there an route in place? Do you know (in practice) >how to remain calm so that you don't scare the cats before you are able to get >them to safety? I have a carrier always set up in the living room. With a folded up blanket inside, it doubles as a sleeper. A fire would be easy with the enclosure -- just open up a window and toss the cats out. I could then go out and put them in their carriers at an almost leisurely pace as the house burns down> eq >As long as we are on the subject of saving one's cats....how many people have >thought about what to do about their beloved cats in case of a fire? Is the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >get >them to safety? Sure I do. I'd pick them up and toss them outdoors. They're very outdoor-savvy and would be fine. The time it would take to grab the cats, and put them into the carriers, even if they were handy, would be precious seconds lost. Exacly what my MIL did, and after the fire trucks left, the house was a smouldering heap, and the cats ambled up safe & sound. Not applicable for indoor cats, obviously. Sherry In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.health+behav", Sep 2004: > As long as we are on the subject of saving one's cats....how > many people have thought about what to do about their beloved > cats in case of a fire? Is the cat carrier within reach? Is > there an route in place? Do you know (in practice) how to remain > calm so that you don't scare the cats before you are able to get > them to safety? The case of a fire is different (in my own case) than the case of something expected, such as storms from a hurricane. Just last night in fact, we had tornado warnings all around and several tornados were touching down in the aftermath of Ivan. Shamrock is no problem - an emergency arises and I can get him in a carrier. Bonnie, OTOH, is still semi-feral and will not allow herself to be picked up, and in fact panics if she suspects she will be cornered or picked up. I had to get everyone downstairs (she will follow me wherever I go) and shut the door to the upstairs once the cats were there. I put a carrier in the bathroom downstairs because she will also follow me in to the bathroom and that is the only way to catch her. I had an old mattress in the hall ready to put on top of me and the 2 carriers if the need arose. A fire is different. If I were home (because if not, there isn't much I could do) of course they will be put in a carrier (probably both in the same carrier since one is upstairs, the other downstairs) and they'd be brought out along with me. But of course this is best case scenerio because it would depend on where the fire is, where the cats are, and what time of day. I can only prepare for the worse by having *working* smoke detectors, and fire extinguishers in various places around the house. Thanks for the reminder, though, because I keep meaning to pick up some of those stickers that tell firefighters there are pets in the house. SignatureCheryl <SNIP> >A fire is different. If I were home (because if not, there isn't >much I could do) of course they will be put in a carrier (probably [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >reminder, though, because I keep meaning to pick up some of those >stickers that tell firefighters there are pets in the house. I have the stickers on both doors, as well as my work phone number prominently displayed on the back door. eq >>A fire is different. If I were home (because if not, there isn't >>much I could do) of course they will be put in a carrier (probably [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >eq I'm very jealous that you all actually have real firefighters and real fireman you can depend on. We have a volunteer crew, and are so far out of town we'd just kiss the house goodbye. The last time we called them for a pasture fire, they forgot to plug the truck and lost all the water before they got here. Bless their hearts. They try. Sherry >>>A fire is different. If I were home (because if not, there isn't >>>much I could do) of course they will be put in a carrier (probably [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >Sherry Whether these actual, real firefighters would bother to pay attention to my stickers and put an effort to saving my cats is something I hope I never have an opportunity to prove or disprove. 1) I hope this place doesn't burn down. 2) If it does, I hope I'm here when it does. > I'm very jealous that you all actually have real firefighters and real fireman > you can depend on. We have a volunteer crew, and are so far out of town we'd [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Sherry That would be funny if it weren't so sad (and frightening). I live only a few blocks from a fire station, so response time for this area is pretty fast. Even so, a fire can spread quickly in a remarkably short period of time. I have several stickers that I got from the Humane Society. They each list my 2 pets, their descriptions, and their names (and a reference to the fact that Duffy is blind); in addition, I listed my name and office phone/cellular phone. I have one posted by each door and have also posted one on the refrigerator. I was told by a fireman that firefighters have been trained to look on refrigerator doors for "critical" notes. I do have both cat carriers placed in a bathroom cabinet. That keeps them as centrally located as possible. In addition, I could walk quickly into the bathroom with a cat, close the door to make sure that he or she would not escape in a panic, then go get the other cat. Fortunately, both cats usually come to me as soon as I call -- but I know all too well that things might not go as planned in an emergency. MaryL Where I live they have a contract with a fire company for our firefighting needs. Of course that is going away next year for a city fire department. Also, a lot of houses and new buildings are required to have sprinkler systems installed. It also helps to have good and working smoke detectors. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com >> I'm very jealous that you all actually have real firefighters and real > fireman [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > MaryL > Thanks for the > reminder, though, because I keep meaning to pick up some of those > stickers that tell firefighters there are pets in the house. > > -- > Cheryl I made my own that has pictures of all my cats (and, of course, how many cats are in the house) - that way, in all the confusion, hopefully the firemen can know that they've gotten all four safely out. I just created them in PowerPoint, printed them out on my color printer, and then covered the paper in clear plastic - then I nailed them up at each entrance to the house and on all sides of the house. I too have working smoke detectors, carbon monoxide detectors, and fire extinguishers in every part of the house. Hugs, CatNipped > As long as we are on the subject of saving one's cats....how many people have > thought about what to do about their beloved cats in case of a fire? Is the > cat carrier within reach? Is there an route in place? Do you know (in practice) > how to remain calm so that you don't scare the cats before you are able to get > them to safety? The carriers are in the attached garage (so is a bag of cat food, cat litter and boxes), which would be my route out if the fire were not in the sitting room between my bedroom and the garage. But if I were trapped in my bedroom I would pull the pillows out of their cases and use the pillow cases to restrain my cats and then leave through the French doors that lead out to the back yard (you can always buy all the other necessities later, so it's a good idea to just get all the living critters out first and worry about the non-essentials later). Hugs, CatNipped > As long as we are on the subject of saving one's cats....how many people have > thought about what to do about their beloved cats in case of a fire? For some reason I have been thinking about this a lot lately. My animal companions live in a section of our home that has no outside exit. >Is the > cat carrier within reach? Is there an route in place? Do you know (in practice) > how to remain calm so that you don't scare the cats before you are able to get > them to safety? Unfortunately I had an experience which proves I cannot remain calm under stress when it conmes to my fur babies. We were moving and I had to run an errand. I drove out of our neighborhood only to see a huge black cat freshly squished on the road. I was sure the movers had let my Peewee out - I ran home and called for him many times - becoming hysterical. Of course he was scared and stayed well hidden, so I didn't find him until I was a basketcase. He was fine. But it was a lesson in "remaining calm" for me, for sure. -L. Lyn wrote: >My animal companions live in a section >of our home that has no outside exit. You have them locked up in a windowless room? Why would you have separate quarters for your pets anyway? I don't get that. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray >Lyn wrote: >>My animal companions live in a section [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Megan Lyn rescues snakes and I believe also turtles. I'm sure those are the companions she's referring to. Sherry > >Lyn wrote: > >>My animal companions live in a section [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Lyn rescues snakes and I believe also turtles. I'm sure those are the companions she's referring to. Ahh, that makes sense. She probably feels an affinity with the cold blooded. > >Lyn wrote: > >>My animal companions live in a section [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Sherry Actually the snakes live in my office in terrariums - they have their own alcove. The turtle is in a huge tank in the second family room - we are putting a pond in for him, hopefully by the end of this year. :) -L. >Actually the snakes live in my office in terrariums - they have their >own alcove. The turtle is in a huge tank in the second family room - >we are putting a pond in for him, hopefully by the end of this year. >:) > >-L. It sounds like you have a great set-up. Just goes to prove that allergy problems can be overcome without relinquishing if the owner is wholly dedicated to that lifetime commitment. I wish everybody was as committed. Sherry > >Actually the snakes live in my office in terrariums - they have their > >own alcove. The turtle is in a huge tank in the second family room - [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > to that lifetime commitment. I wish everybody was as committed. > Sherry Thanks for your kind words. It was a hard adjustment period - I used to sleep with the cats. Needless to say, DH and Peewee have this love/hate thing going on - each is jealous of the other...;) -L. usenetlyn@yahoo.com writes >t was a hard adjustment period - I >used to sleep with the cats. >Needless to say, DH and Peewee >have this love/hate thing going on - >each is jealous of the other I eagerly wait for the day when my Sammy and Nellie Belle sleep side by side. In the meantime, I have to deal with Sammy's 3 am prowls chasing Nellie B. off the bed and 'round the room! :-) > Lyn wrote: > >My animal companions live in a section > >of our home that has no outside exit. > > You have them locked up in a windowless room? First of all, I don't "lock" them anywhere. "No outside exit", meaning no doors. We plan to put one in, but haven't done so yet. We have to cut through a section of foundation so we have to talk to a structural engineer before we do it. > Why would you have > separate quarters for your pets anyway? I don't get that. My husband is extremely allergic to my mammalian companions, and he married me after I already had them. We bought this house purposely so that the animals could have a special area where they wouldn't be in the main living space (and spent about 30K more than we would have had to, had we not had the animals). It's a win-win situation - I believe in keeping animals for life and this is the solution we came up with. It's basically a "mother-in-law quarters" - two large bedrooms, a small room, two walk-in closets that are quite spacious, and a separate storage closet. It's literally bigger than my first apartment. They have their own furniture (futons, couches, a dresser, shelving units and beds), TV, and the cats have their own closet (no dogs allowed) where they can climb a series of shelving units that are staggered to the ceiling. The cats also have their own litter box area in one closet that is off-limits to the dogs. I spend quite a bit of time in there with them. The dogs are outside about half of the day as well. They have fenced acreage to play in. The dogs and cats get along extremely well, and everyone is very well adjusted. My original plan was to let the cats outside attended, but after Peewee's blockage episode, I don't feel comfortable taking him outside even on a leash - he tend to eat grass and Lillies which is verboten. There are also Boogie Cats out there that want to fight him. Mimi has no interest in going outside (we tried) and is content to stay in. -L. Sounds like you have a nice setup! > Sounds like you have a nice setup! People really can't believe we went to all this trouble for the animals. We looked through literally over a hundred homes before we selected this one. The cool thing is - it's truly our dream home - and the fur babies are pretty happy, too. :) -L. >People really can't believe we went to all this trouble for the >animals. We looked through literally over a hundred homes before we >selected this one. The cool thing is - it's truly our dream home - >and the fur babies are pretty happy, too. :) > >-L. My daughter is building a house right now. The builder can't believe the changes she is making to the blueprints just for the cats' benefits. Isn't being very cooperative either, even though he's charging her plenty extra. Taller windows, larger windowsills, adding a door off the back so they can have kitty-door access to an enclosure she will build later. Sherry > >People really can't believe we went to all this trouble for the > >animals. We looked through literally over a hundred homes before we [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Sherry Sounds cool. Our dream is to oneday have a shelter - complete with digs we design for the animals. :) -L. > As long as we are on the subject of saving one's cats....how many people have > thought about what to do about their beloved cats in case of a fire? Is the > cat carrier within reach? Is there an route in place? Do you know (in practice) > how to remain calm so that you don't scare the cats before you are able to get > them to safety? if the house is on fire, good luck getting a freaked out cat into a carrier. You would need a steel suit and a big plunger to get the cat in. Bluesman In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.health+behav", "Cat Protector" <catprotector@cox.net> artfully composed this message within <news:2rZ2d.46879$OZ6.14881@okepread06> on 18 Sep 20 |
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