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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / September 2004Brother & Sister now very aggressive
Both our cats are from same litter and are brother & sister of 8 years. The past 8 years they have been very loving and affectionate to each other, only with the odd paw fight with a bit of hissing. They are both primarily indoor cats but wonder in our garden when supervised. Two weeks ago at about 0230 am we were awoken to the most horrendous noise from both our cats, hissing, hackles up etc... The female cat would not let her brother near her and he was getting very distressed which made matters even worse. We found urine all over our dining room floor, not sure who's, hence a sleepless night for all with both cats very distressed. The following day we took the female cat to the vets as she seemed more distressed than him. That morning before she went to the vets he was acting normal but she would still not let him near her without a very loud hiss and growl. We found out from vet she has arthritis down her back and one hind leg, she is now on permanent medication. Everything seemed OK for two weeks with everything fine between them as if nothing had happened until yesterday when she was in the garden with my wife and he was in his basket by the door. All of a sudden he came charging out hackles up to his sister who immediately hissed etc.. and it has started all over again. The only solution we can think for this behaviour is there are other cats that live in this area and maybe there was a scent in the garden and being that is was windy in the garden could this of provoked him to be like this. Both of the cats have been spade and neutered since kittens.... Any help would be appreciated as we are very worried owners. > Both our cats are from same litter and are brother & sister of 8 years. The > past 8 years they have been very loving and affectionate to each other, only [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Any help would be appreciated as we are very worried owners. I think you might be spot-on with the idea that the scent of other animals might be causing these events of aggression. There has been discussion here on a phenomenon that I think was referred to as "misdirected aggression." I have seen it in one of our cats, who saw a cat through a window and turned and attacked my husband's ankle. This was her only episode of this. We have since moved and do not have cats roaming in our yards. Try a "Google groups" search on the term "misdirected aggression" if you don't get all the information you need from others here. > > Both our cats are from same litter and are brother & sister of 8 years. > The [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > Try a "Google groups" search on the term "misdirected aggression" > if you don't get all the information you need from others here. Or maybe "redirected aggression?" << Or maybe "redirected aggression?" >> I've heard it referred to as "misplaced aggression." Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail) See my cats: http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace "One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other than human." (Loren Eisely) > << Or maybe "redirected aggression?" >> > > I've heard it referred to as "misplaced aggression." Aha! I knew it was something like that. >From: "Mary" >There has >been discussion here on a phenomenon that I think was referred >to as "misdirected aggression." I have seen it in one of our >cats, who saw a cat through a window and turned and >attacked my husband's ankle. This happened years ago with my Maine coon. He would sit in the window and get all aggitated watching the birds, and then be ugly to the humans in the house. He launched a very bad( unprovoked ) attack on my then 3 year old son one day, and jumped up at him and dug down the side of his face, and that was it for me. I tossed his butt out the door and instructed him to feel free to get hit by a car. Instead of getting hit, he promptly killed a couple of birds and then came back in with a renewed spirit and a sweet nature. That was 16 years ago. He never was mean again after he was allowed to go out when he wanted to. > >From: "Mary" > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > back in with a renewed spirit and a sweet nature. That was 16 years ago. He > never was mean again after he was allowed to go out when he wanted to. I refuse to respond to this obvious troll. :) Let the record show that I can indeed summon restraint when I wish to. Thank you. >From: "Mary" >I refuse to respond to this obvious troll. :) Let the record show that >I can indeed summon restraint when I wish to. Thank you. Why in the world would you call me a troll? > >From: "Mary" > > >I refuse to respond to this obvious troll. :) Let the record show that I can indeed summon restraint when I wish to. Thank you. > Why in the world would you call me a troll? I didn't. I was using it as a verb. That said, I have nothing further to add. >From: "Mary" >I refuse to respond to this obvious troll. :) Let the record show that I >can indeed summon restraint when I wish to. Thank you. >Why in the world would you call me a troll? >I didn't. I was using it as a verb. That said, I have nothing further to >add. Fair enough I guess but I dont get why you think I am trolling when I was only telling something that happened with my cat. I thought that was the point of the group....I thought wrong. >From: "Mary" >I refuse to respond to this obvious troll. :) Let the record show that >I can indeed summon restraint when I wish to. Thank you. Why are you calling me a troll? What on earth did I say that would cause you to jump to that? > >From: "Mary" > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Why are you calling me a troll? What on earth did I say that would cause you > to jump to that? Tracy, Read the thread called "Indoor cat..quality of life" and everything should become clear... Jeannie > > >From: "Mary" > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > --- Tracy and I have already had the indoor/outdoor debate. She knows how I feel. I am of course happy to know that she threw her cat outside into a busy suburban neighborhood and "invited him to get hit by a car." *shaking my head* >From: "Mary" >Tracy and I have already had the indoor/outdoor debate. She knows how I >feel. I am of course happy to know that she threw her cat outside into a >busy suburban neighborhood and "invited him to get hit by a car." *shaking >my head* Mary, You and I have never discussed anything.....you must be thinking of someone else. I was not a party to the debate about indoor outdoor cats. I was responding to a post about misplaced aggression. Yes, 15 years ago, I did throw him out (in a rural neighborhood BTW ) and I did issue such an invitation. The cat was increasingly mean, and the last straw was when he charged my little boy and raked down the side of his face. Im not talking a little scratch here. Yes, I was livid......and *in the moment* I didnt care what became of the cat..I can admit to being that pissed. Turns out this cat had instincts to hunt that were undeniable. He hunted, he came back in, he was peaceful. This was his pattern from then on. He is now 17 years old, doesnt go out hardly ever anymore, and is content to lay in the sunbeams, and be the bottom layer of a cat pile. For the record, my other cats dont go out. They have never shown the overwhelming need to be a predator that he did. Also for the record....this cat is well loved and has led quite the cushy life. I am no where near the monster that you might be imagining. Cheers, Tracy > >From: "Mary" > > >Tracy and I have already had the indoor/outdoor debate. > > > You and I have never discussed anything.....you must be thinking of someone else. I was not a party to the debate about indoor outdoor cats. Apologies for the mistaken identity. This was a Tracy using another email, the thread was called "Go Away Enemy Cat" and was active last June. Regardless, I find your reaction to your cat's misplaced aggression less than wise. First, I am not sure I would have a baby around a cat I was not really sure of. Second, I would not have assumed you lived in an urban area or an area with traffic had you not used the phrase "invited him to get hit by a car." I live in a very green and beautiful urban area where we love to watch birds, and there is a leash law for dogs and cats. In other words, even if I didn't care if my cat was hit or killed by a car, I wouldn't toss her outside for fear that she might kill the birds we all work hard to attract with feeders. >From: "Mary" >Apologies for the mistaken identity. This was a Tracy using another email, >the thread was called "Go Away Enemy Cat" and was active last June. Accepted.......easy mistake to make >Regardless, I find your reaction to your cat's misplaced aggression less >than wise. Never, did I claim to be wise. :o) >First, I am not sure I would have a baby around a cat I was not >really sure of. Actually, the cat was ok for the first year or so, and then got increasingly mean. The child was 3 years old at the time of the attack. This was a 24 pound cat BTW...pretty scary to see him go for a little kids face..but anyway....... >Second, I would not have assumed you lived in an urban area >or an area with traffic had you not used the phrase "invited him to get hit >by a car." You know the old do not assume thing. >I live in a very green and beautiful urban area where we love to watch >birds, and there is a leash law for dogs and cats. In other words, even if I >didn't care if my cat was hit or killed by a car, I wouldn't toss her >outside for fear that she might kill the birds we all work hard to attract >with feeders. Yeah, he wasnt so good at getting the birds anyway....he was most likely to just annoy the hell out of them and they kicked his butt a few times themselves. He was a mouser and a moler. The cat had to hunt.....I have never had another cat who just HAD to be out. Right or wrong...this particular cat was no good to anyone if he was going to be nasty. I guess theres not much point in trying to explain further how or why I had to decide to let him go outside .......I just was bothered by the fact that you thought I was trolling the group, and I wanted to try to work that out with you. Take care, Tracy >From: tdeanne1955@aol.com (Tracy) >The cat was >increasingly mean, and the last straw was when he charged my little boy and >raked down the side of his face. Im not talking a little scratch here. Yes, >I >was livid......and *in the moment* I didnt care what became of the cat..I can >admit to being that pissed. I remember when I was a kid and our family cat scratched me pretty bad. My mother asked me what I had done to the cat. Of course she was right, as I had been harrassing the cat as only a small child cat. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecatjournal.com/articles/claws.htm >From: darnit7 >I remember when I was a kid and our family cat scratched me pretty bad. My >mother asked me what I had done to the cat. Of course she was right, as I >had >been harrassing the cat as only a small child cat. >Lauren Hi Lauren, This was part of the problem. I saw this whole thing unfold and the attack was completely unprovoked. The cat was in the window watching birds, ears flat, tail switching a mile a minute. My son walked into the room, the cat turned and bolted from the window, leaped up and scratched right down the side of his cheek....long bloody streaks. This was a 24 pound cat BTW, and the boy was only probably 30 pounds! It scared the living crap out of the kid. Trust me, I would blame the kid if he had it coming. >From: tdeanne1955@aol.com (Tracy) >>From: darnit7 > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >Trust >me, I would blame the kid if he had it coming. Wow, that sounds pretty horrible, and mostly likely misplaced aggression in your case. Was your son afraid of the cat for a while after that? We have a client who was bit very severely by a dog (she was 9 when it happened). She's 11 now and still having a hard time dealing with it. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecatjournal.com/articles/claws.htm >From: darnit7 >Wow, that sounds pretty horrible, and mostly likely misplaced aggression in >your case. Was your son afraid of the cat for a while after that? It was bad. Yes, my son was afraid of Corky...not the other cats. He was afraid of Corky before the attack because, like I said, the cat had been getting meaner..... Corks disposition changed so dramatically after that.....he became an actually lovable creature. My son is now 18 and Corky is his favorite cat! >From: tdeanne1955@aol.com (Tracy) >>From: darnit7 > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >actually >lovable creature. My son is now 18 and Corky is his favorite cat! I'm so glad to hear that :) Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecatjournal.com/articles/claws.htm >I remember when I was a kid and our family cat scratched me pretty bad. My >mother asked me what I had done to the cat. Of course she was right, as I >had >been harrassing the cat as only a small child cat. > >Lauren Your mother was wise. She sounds like mine. If I went bawling into the house that I'd been bitten/scratched/flogged/kicked, the first thing out of her mouth was "What did you do to him/her/it?" Sherry >From: "Jeannie" >Tracy, > >Read the thread called "Indoor cat..quality of life" and everything should >become clear... > >Jeannie Ah, I see now. Thanks for the heads up. |
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