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Eric B. - 05 Sep 2004 12:21 GMT
I have two cats: one male, one female, both under 3 years old, both
fixed, both have claws.  At around 4 am, they go bonkers chasing each
other up and down our long, wood-floored hallway.  This not only wakes
us up, but I'm sure it can be heard below by our neighbors (they've
never said anything specifically about this, but it's very loud).

To remedy this, I have tried two things.  First, I've given them a few
squirts with the water bottle.  This loses its effectiveness as soon as
I return to bed.  Second, I have put them in the laundry/bathroom.  It's
big enough for them to roam around, sit in the window, play, eat, drink,
poop, etc., so I don't feel especially bad about it.

However, since they sometimes start to cry or scratch on the door, I
don't want to do it unless necessary.  I thought that after several
weeks of doing this, they might learn that "Noise at Night = Locked in
laundry room," and therefore avoid making noise at night.  I'm sure they
understand "Noise at Night = Owners awake and give  attention."  Is it
unreasonable to expect that they might alter their behavior?  Should I
just break down and toss them in there before even going to bed?  I feel
a little bad about that since we're often away until 7 or 8 o'clock at
night, but perhaps as long as we give them their usual evening playtime,
they won't care.

Thanks for your advice,

eric
Karen Chuplis - 05 Sep 2004 15:02 GMT
> I have two cats: one male, one female, both under 3 years old, both
> fixed, both have claws.  At around 4 am, they go bonkers chasing each
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> eric

One thing about cats. They love routine above all. I kind of doubt their
routine will change. I guess if it is TOO bad you could put them in their
room befor you go to bed. I wouldn't worry about the neighbors. If they
haven't said anything, it must not be as bad as it seems to you. Can you
close your door? Or do they then scratch at that. It just their playtime. My
mom's two are like this. They tear around in the middle of the night. Mine
used to do it, but they grew out of it and now sleep pretty much all night.
Or, Grant will stare out the window a lot. I would guess yours will grow out
of it someday, but probably not for a while.
Mary - 05 Sep 2004 18:25 GMT
> > eric
>
> One thing about cats. They love routine above all.

This is so true. I think just like humans, ritual comforts them.

>I kind of doubt their
> routine will change. I guess if it is TOO bad you could put them in their
> room befor you go to bed.

Everything else you say is true, too--but I wonder about introducing
a new routine, such as energetic play with the laser pointer some hours
before human bed time, so that maybe their energetic time would
switch and they would be tired out? What do you think?
Eric B. - 05 Sep 2004 19:14 GMT
Thanks for the advice, everyone.  We usually give them a good 15 minute
workout before bed, but we'll try to move that forward.  Perhaps
lengthening playtime would help, too.  I would prefer not to lock them
away all night, since the Morning Snuggles are a pleasant reward for
surviving the Nighttime Crazies.  If it comes down to it, though,
they'll be snuggling with the socks.

I've seen advertisements for products that claim to reduce this kind of
activity, essentially through drugging the cats.  While I'm not too keen
on this, I am considering one that is like a Glade Plugin.  It
apparently releases a relaxing scent that makes the cats chill out.  I
figure if I'm breathing the same air, it's fair.  Does anyone have
experience with this?

Thanks again,
eric

> > > eric
> >
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> before human bed time, so that maybe their energetic time would
> switch and they would be tired out? What do you think?
Karen Chuplis - 05 Sep 2004 19:39 GMT
> Thanks for the advice, everyone.  We usually give them a good 15 minute
> workout before bed, but we'll try to move that forward.  Perhaps
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> Thanks again,
> eric
Feliway? Well, that probably wouldn't do anything to reduce crazies. I use
it to reduce anxiety and it does work for that, but it isn't going to
interfere in normal behaviour.  Try play and feeding them before bed.
(Feeding them late gets them to settle down quicker. And I have found keeps
them sleepy overnight longer. The crazies usually happen a little while
before they want to eat. It's very normal behaviour in young cats
especially).
Theresa - 06 Sep 2004 14:12 GMT
> Thanks for the advice, everyone.  We usually give them a good 15 minute
> workout before bed, but we'll try to move that forward.  Perhaps
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> > before human bed time, so that maybe their energetic time would
> > switch and they would be tired out? What do you think?

I have a wonderful cat who was destroying the walls. If there was the
tiniest spot he thought it was a bug and would attack, attack, attack,
until there were holes and rips in the walls. About a month ago I
bought Feliaway from the vet-- a spray and the plug in thingy. They
have worked wonders. I had the walls replastered with joint compound,
then an expensive paint job and didn't want them ruined again. The
Feliaway works. Kind of pricy but worth it. Definitely has a calming
effect on the cat.
Wendy - 07 Sep 2004 02:38 GMT
> > Thanks for the advice, everyone.  We usually give them a good 15 minute
> > workout before bed, but we'll try to move that forward.  Perhaps
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> Feliaway works. Kind of pricy but worth it. Definitely has a calming
> effect on the cat.

http://www.biovets.com/feliway_71_ctg.htm
They have the refills for $14.95. There is a $3 rebate which brings it down
to $11.95
Magic Mood Jeep? - 07 Sep 2004 02:59 GMT
Beware, though, because I had 2 diffusers to calm my 'brood' (consists of 7
cats ranging in age from 11 years to 4 months), and it heightened the
tension between 2, and made one VERY skittish as he couldn't find this
mysterious cat that he smelled.  I got rid of them (and the stockpile of
refills I had).

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Karen Chuplis - 05 Sep 2004 19:36 GMT
>>> eric
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> before human bed time, so that maybe their energetic time would
> switch and they would be tired out? What do you think?

I have to say this is what I did when my cats were young. About 9:30 I would
play vigorously with them for 20 min to a half hour, then feed them. It at
least pushed their waking up to a more acceptable time - like 5:30 instead
of 4 am
HD - 05 Sep 2004 15:44 GMT
>I have two cats: one male, one female, both under 3 years old, both
>fixed, both have claws.  At around 4 am, they go bonkers chasing each
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>eric
Ah yes, the midnight crazies.
I have three boys that do this.
They play King of the Furniture with each other.
When I get ready to go to bed I try and get them engaged with a laser
pointer or some other toys to tire them out so that when I go to bed
they are not as active.
Mary - 05 Sep 2004 18:22 GMT
> I have two cats: one male, one female, both under 3 years old, both
> fixed, both have claws.  At around 4 am, they go bonkers chasing each
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>
> eric

All cats do this. Mine do it before I go to bed, but I go
to bed really late.

You have to have your sleep in order to function, so yes,
I would go ahead and put them in the laundry room before
you go to sleep. BUT--you might try initiating play
say, four hours before you go to bed--with a lazer
pointer, feather on a string, or crumpled up paper
tossing--to see if you can tire them out.
Elizabeth Blake - 05 Sep 2004 18:39 GMT
> I have two cats: one male, one female, both under 3 years old, both
> fixed, both have claws.  At around 4 am, they go bonkers chasing each
> other up and down our long, wood-floored hallway.  This not only wakes
> us up, but I'm sure it can be heard below by our neighbors (they've
> never said anything specifically about this, but it's very loud).

My cats do this sometimes too.  Not every night, but fairly often.  I go to
bed late and I'm usually awake when it starts so I don't care.  Can you put
a carepeted runner in the hallway, to cut down the noise they make on the
wood floor?  I have wood floors in my apartment and I know the claws can
sound really loud when they're skittering across the wood.  Since my
downstairs neighbor likes to blast his TV late at night, it's another reason
I don't care how much noise my cats make.

> To remedy this, I have tried two things.  First, I've given them a few
> squirts with the water bottle.  This loses its effectiveness as soon as
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> night, but perhaps as long as we give them their usual evening playtime,
> they won't care.

The few times my cats have started the crazies once I was already in bed,
I'd get up and put one of them in my bedroom and shut the door.  It really
doesn't work, because the one inside keeps trying to get out and the one
outside cries to get in.  If I put them both in the bedroom with me, they
may continue their activities on my bed, and it's really hard to get back to
sleep with two cats jumping all over you.  I've given up trying to stop
them, since the really-late-night activities happen so rarely.

--
Liz
Mimi Forsyth - 05 Sep 2004 20:06 GMT
Of  course cats go nuts at night. Cats are nocturnal. Have you noticed how they
sleep most of the day? Close your bedroom door at night so you don't hear?
Forget the neighbors.

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MadHatter - 07 Sep 2004 05:24 GMT
>Of  course cats go nuts at night. Cats are nocturnal. Have you noticed how they
>sleep most of the day? Close your bedroom door at night so you don't hear?
>Forget the neighbors.
>
>www.mimiforsyth.com

oh, yeah, Shaina calls me out to play all the time after 11 pm and on,
and on, and on.  if it's the weekend, i do, but if it's not, she ends
up either hunting me and swatting me about at night, or swatting about
some ball of paper she whisked away from the trash.  she also drags
her toys as she runs.  not just the small ones, but the snaky ones, on
a long handle and they make SOOO much noise.  it's ok.  as long as she
is happy. :)

-L
Eric B. - 07 Sep 2004 16:08 GMT
Well, the cats were very good last night.  I don't know if they feared
the laundry room, or if it was because I wore them out before bed as
suggested!  I know they were up and about, though: I found our giant
Glove of Death on our bedroom floor.  One of them had dragged it in from
the other side of the house!  hint hint hint.  :)  (BTW: Glove of Death
is one of those thick, plush mittens that protect your hands while the
cat play-mauls you.)

eric

> >Of  course cats go nuts at night. Cats are nocturnal. Have you noticed how
> >they
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>
> -L
Mary - 07 Sep 2004 16:38 GMT
> Well, the cats were very good last night.  I don't know if they feared
the laundry room, or if it was because I wore them out before bed as
suggested!

Well good! Everyone will get their rest now, if the little buggers keep
behaving.

>I know they were up and about, though: I found our giant Glove of Death on
our bedroom floor.  One of them had dragged it in from  the other side of
the house!  hint hint hint.  :)  (BTW: Glove of Death  is one of those
thick, plush mittens that protect your hands while the
> cat play-mauls you.)

What a great idea! I am careful to only play with my grey tabby with toys,
but she often appears to want the fingers more than the toy. (I can see that
predator's gleam in her eye, like, "mmm, little pink fingers! Could be
tasty!") Being very polite, she does this approach/avoid thing then jumps up
and runs away. A glove might be the answer!

> > >Of  course cats go nuts at night. Cats are nocturnal. Have you noticed how
> > >they
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> >
> > -L
jamie - 05 Sep 2004 23:56 GMT
> I have two cats: one male, one female, both under 3 years old, both
> fixed, both have claws.  At around 4 am, they go bonkers chasing each
> other up and down our long, wood-floored hallway.  This not only wakes
> us up, but I'm sure it can be heard below by our neighbors (they've
> never said anything specifically about this, but it's very loud).

Ahhh.  The Thundercats doing the Kitty-500 in the wee hours.
I remember it well.  They eventually grow out of it as they get older,
but you might put a runner of padded carpeting in the hallway until
they do.  

Or wax the hall floor really well, until they get tired of skidding
into the walls.  lol

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Eric B. - 06 Sep 2004 14:11 GMT
> > I have two cats: one male, one female, both under 3 years old, both
> > fixed, both have claws.  At around 4 am, they go bonkers chasing each
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> Or wax the hall floor really well, until they get tired of skidding
> into the walls.  lol

Unfortunately, I think that's part of the fun for them!  Sometimes, it
seems like the goal for them is to see how many times they can spin in
circles before hitting the wall.

Oh , well.  Cats will be cats.

Thanks again, everyone.

eric
teri - 06 Sep 2004 02:14 GMT
>I have two cats: one male, one female, both under 3 years old, both
>fixed, both have claws.  At around 4 am, they go bonkers chasing each
>other up and down our long, wood-floored hallway.  This not only wakes
>us up, but I'm sure it can be heard below by our neighbors (they've
>never said anything specifically about this, but it's very loud).

Guess I am the one who is crazy, but I love when I hear one of them
flying around the house playing in the middle of the nite.  Maybe it's
because it assures me they are healthy and happy.  But I never have
trouble going back to sleep after I hear it, and thinking about it in
the morning is a great start to the day.
teri
 
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