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sculley - 04 Sep 2004 02:15 GMT
My siamese is 15yrs. old and has been dia. with Hyperthyriod. We went with
the meds instead of the radiation or surgery because of the high cost. Now
the problem is he has had bad reactions to it . He stopped eating and had to
be force fed and now has loss a large amount of weight. Does anyone know of
and holistic means or any other meds that would better in battling this
disease. Thanks....
KellyH - 04 Sep 2004 06:04 GMT
> My siamese is 15yrs. old and has been dia. with Hyperthyriod. We went with
> the meds instead of the radiation or surgery because of the high cost. Now
> the problem is he has had bad reactions to it . He stopped eating and had to
> be force fed and now has loss a large amount of weight. Does anyone know of
> and holistic means or any other meds that would better in battling this
> disease. Thanks....

Please have your vet re-run the thyroid bloodwork.  The dosage probably
needs to be adjusted.  I don't know if any holistic means to treat
hyperthyroidism.  There is another med, I think it's called Carbomizole (??)
something like that.  Cats are supposed to be able to tolerate it better
than Tapazole.

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sculley - 04 Sep 2004 22:15 GMT
> > My siamese is 15yrs. old and has been dia. with Hyperthyriod. We went with
> > the meds instead of the radiation or surgery because of the high cost. Now
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I had my vet check out carbamizole. It is only avail. in the uk . It has not
been app. for us in the us. I have him on 1/4 tab. of tapazole for about a
week and will go to half tab. next week and then hold him there for a month
then recheck. His t4 is 5.5 right now and at half tab it was 5.1 ,When I
raised his dosage just a bit he stopped eatting and have fluids given. He is
now eatting kitten chow and is getting along fine so far but very skinny.
Will have to cross my fingers . thanks for the replies....
Barb - 04 Sep 2004 19:38 GMT
In the course of 2 years the medication could cost as much as the radiation.
Have you priced it lately?

My cat had a very bad reaction when a different company started sending the
tapazole to the vet.  The original company no longer shipped, even to the
pharmacist.  My vet suggested RoadRunner and I have been dealing with them.
They send me capsules which can be split apart and the powder inside dumped
in the cat food. It costs the same as the vet, (cheaper than the drugstore),
free shipping and they are so nice.  They even sent a toy for my cat the
last time.  She is doing well with their meds.

Telephone- 877-518-4589.

They said if she couldn't use the capsules they had a different med that you
rub on the ear!

--
Barb
Of course I don't look busy,
I did it right the first time.
Beth Peace - 04 Sep 2004 20:07 GMT
I'm also having a dilemma with regard to meds vs. radiation.  My cat was 15
when diagnosed, but he's still doing fine a year and a half later.

He was always difficult to pill, and won't stand for adulterated food, even
the medicated treats the vet says all the other cats in the practice love,
so we went with the compounded gel to rub in his ear. He was doing fine on
it, then we switched to a mail order pharmacy (the original pharmacy doubled
the cost from $25/mo to $50/mo and the mail order one was much lower).  The
last batch or two from there either didn't have any medication in the gel,
or he just no longer absorbs it through the ear - we almost lost him; his T4
went way up.

So now we're on pills, which work and are cheaper, and since we treat him to
some chicken/turkey/ham afterward, he now comes running when we shake the
pill bottle.  Wish he'd always been so easy...

But he's still not easy enough to just get a neighbor to take over when we
go on vacation, plus there's still all the testing, so we're again thinking
of the radiation stuff.  But it's about $1200 including pre-tests.  The
claimed success rate may be good, but how many cats end up over suppressed,
under suppressed, or a year or two down the road end up hyper again?  If
surgery is not recommended because another tumor can develop on the other
lobe, what's to keep a "radcat" from the same problem?

Any experiences?

> In the course of 2 years the medication could cost as much as the
> radiation. Have you priced it lately?
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> They said if she couldn't use the capsules they had a different med
> that you rub on the ear!
Mary - 04 Sep 2004 20:25 GMT
> I'm also having a dilemma with regard to meds vs. radiation.  My cat was 15
> when diagnosed, but he's still doing fine a year and a half later.

<The
> claimed success rate may be good, but how many cats end up over suppressed,
> under suppressed, or a year or two down the road end up hyper again?  If
> surgery is not recommended because another tumor can develop on the other
> lobe, what's to keep a "radcat" from the same problem?

It is my understanding that less than 3% of cats who undergo this
treatment have any negative side effects. I guess anything can
happen, but the radiation therapy is widely accepted as the
very best option of the two cures, the other being surgery.
Cost is the only sound deterrent.
hamandcheese@betweentheknees.com - 04 Sep 2004 22:06 GMT
> The
>claimed success rate may be good, but how many cats end up over suppressed,
>under suppressed, or a year or two down the road end up hyper again?  If
>surgery is not recommended because another tumor can develop on the other
>lobe, what's to keep a "radcat" from the same problem?

We were told that it is highly unlikely that a cat can go
*hypo*thyroid after radiation.

A good facility will offer a free top up dosage if the initial one
wasn't adequate.

-mhd
jamie - 05 Sep 2004 06:06 GMT
> Any experiences?

My 17-year-old Gideon had thyroid surgery on Tuesday.  He was not a
good candidate for radiation, because his thyroid was hugely enlarged.
My vet said that the lobe that was removed was almost as big as her
thumb, and the size she showed me as what it's supposed to be is
as small as a peppercorn or less.

The vet and I thought it better to do surgery and have the tissue
analyzed, in case it was thyroid cancer.  The lab report came back
yesterday that it wasn't cancer.  The other lobe looked perfectly
normal, although there is some chance that it could also go abnormal
in the future.

The reason it got so enlarged was my previous vet was an idiot, and
kept telling me he was losing weight from a change of diet (when the
other cat became diabetic) and didn't suggest any blood tests nor
apparently even feel his throat, before I went to another vet for
a second opinion -- after being told for the third time it was just
the low-carb diet.

He was on Tapizole for 3 weeks after he was diagnosed, to bring
down his T4 to assess his kidneys.  It was supposed to be a month,
but he started vomiting his canned food after about 2 weeks on it,
and he could only keep down babyfood strained chicken or turkey for
the 3rd week.  By the end of the third week, he started to refuse the
babyfood, too.  So we did the bloodwork, took him off the Tapizole,
and scheduled the surgery, even though his T4 wasn't all the way down.
He's going for a final blood test for kidney levels next week, just
to make sure they're not going up.

The incision in his neck is only a little longer than half an inch,
and she used dissolving stitches, so they don't have to be removed.
It almost looks like a plastic surgery close, because I can't see
the stitches.  She gave me Medicam drops for pain, which I mix with
a tablespoon of babyfood because I know he'll finish that, and might
not eat his catfood before the other cat gets to it.

He was a little woozy for an hour or so after I brought him home,
but looked around for more food after the medicated bit, so I gave
him a dollop more.  An hour or so later, he was pretty perky, and
looked around for more food, so I gave him the rest of the jar.
A couple of hours later, he started eating the other cat's canned food.

When he was awake, he purred contentedly, not the chest-heaving panting
purr as though he was in pain.  Honestly, he acted as though he hadn't
had surgery.  In the 24 hours after surgery, he ate like he was trying
to gain all his weight back in one day, and begged for food all day.
His appetite was more normal by Thurday.

He had the thyroid surgery along with teeth cleaning and a couple
of teeth that needed to come out.  My vet only charged me about
$325, including the fee to send the tissue to the outside lab.

I'm kind of glad that I had a good medical excuse to have the less
expensive surgery done, instead of radiation, because the fee for
radiation would have been somewhat of a hardship to pay off.  My new
vet is Cornell-trained, and teaches thyroid surgery to other vets,
so I felt very confident about her doing the surgery.

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Cathy Friedmann - 05 Sep 2004 16:17 GMT
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> He had the thyroid surgery along with teeth cleaning and a couple
> of teeth that needed to come out.  My vet only charged me about
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> vet is Cornell-trained, and teaches thyroid surgery to other vets,
> so I felt very confident about her doing the surgery.

No matter how carefully the thyroidectomy was done, your vet is going to
have to watch that your cat does not now go hyperthyroid, & that the
parathyroid glands weren't accidentally affected.  One of my late cats had
thyroid surgery, because she was not a candidate for long-term Tapazole, &
there was no radiation therapy site anywhere near here at the time (late
90's).  She is also a Cornell graduate & very conscientious, but it's
delicate surgery.  IOW - you may wind up giving a thyroid supplement in the
future (thyroxin), which is not a big deal (I gave my cat one dose/day, &
it's not pricey) - this is just a heads-up.

Cathy
jamie - 05 Sep 2004 23:46 GMT
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>> He had the thyroid surgery along with teeth cleaning and a couple
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> future (thyroxin), which is not a big deal (I gave my cat one dose/day, &
> it's not pricey) - this is just a heads-up.

She was able to isolate the parathyroid on the affected lobe and return
it, and the other lobe appeared normal.  There was no parathyroid
tissue found in the analysis of the abnormal lobe.  At his age,
I expect to monitor his blood levels every 6 months for thyroid,
kidney and liver values, from now on.

(and probably would have been already, if the well-recommended local
vet I had before wasn't an idiot.  That was the same vet that said
I shouldn't bother checking bg levels on my diabetic cat, and just
inject him with insulin twice a day, when he actually has normal bgs
without insulin after changing to a low-carb canned diet.)

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teri - 06 Sep 2004 01:53 GMT
Just curious...
>No matter how carefully the thyroidectomy was done, your vet is going to
>have to watch that your cat does not now go hyperthyroid,
wouldn't that be hypothyroid?  
But don't cats have bilateral lobes like people?

And how many parathyroids do they have, two on each side also?

Curious,
Teri
Cathy Friedmann - 06 Sep 2004 02:07 GMT
> Just curious...
> >No matter how carefully the thyroidectomy was done, your vet is going to
> >have to watch that your cat does not now go hyperthyroid,
> wouldn't that be hypothyroid?
> But don't cats have bilateral lobes like people?

I don't know for sure, but I assume so.

> And how many parathyroids do they have, two on each side also?

Yes, total of 4.

Cathy

> Curious,
> Teri
Kelly - 05 Sep 2004 20:06 GMT
Ask your vet about transdermal tapazole instead of oral tapazole.  The
transdermal tapazole goes into the ear and will unlikely cause a stomach
upset.

> My siamese is 15yrs. old and has been dia. with Hyperthyriod. We went with
> the meds instead of the radiation or surgery because of the high cost. Now
> the problem is he has had bad reactions to it . He stopped eating and had to
> be force fed and now has loss a large amount of weight. Does anyone know of
> and holistic means or any other meds that would better in battling this
> disease. Thanks....
 
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