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equalizer - 31 Aug 2004 13:42 GMT
I'm looking at having one of my cats' teeth cleaned for the first time. Quite
franky, I'm a little nervous about dropping her off for the day and leaving her
scared, let alone worrying about her while she's under. What are the risks of
this procedure? I know it needs to be done, I'm just trying to calm my fears
about it. I know she's going to be terrified at being dropped off and left.
Karen Chuplis - 31 Aug 2004 14:29 GMT
> I'm looking at having one of my cats' teeth cleaned for the first time. Quite
> franky, I'm a little nervous about dropping her off for the day and leaving
> her
> scared, let alone worrying about her while she's under. What are the risks of
> this procedure? I know it needs to be done, I'm just trying to calm my fears
> about it. I know she's going to be terrified at being dropped off and left.

Well, the anesthesia is always the risk, but just think of Jackie cat that
has so many problems and came through her dental fine. She will be happier
after her teeth are cleaned. Ask the vet what kind of anesthesia they use.
dgk - 31 Aug 2004 16:09 GMT
>> I'm looking at having one of my cats' teeth cleaned for the first time. Quite
>> franky, I'm a little nervous about dropping her off for the day and leaving
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>has so many problems and came through her dental fine. She will be happier
>after her teeth are cleaned. Ask the vet what kind of anesthesia they use.

You just wrote what I was going to say. That Ketamine (sp?) stuff
shouldn't be used according to everyone here.
Wendy - 31 Aug 2004 14:31 GMT
> I'm looking at having one of my cats' teeth cleaned for the first time. Quite
> franky, I'm a little nervous about dropping her off for the day and leaving her
> scared, let alone worrying about her while she's under. What are the risks of
> this procedure? I know it needs to be done, I'm just trying to calm my fears
> about it. I know she's going to be terrified at being dropped off and left.

Any time general anesthesia is administered there is a risk factor. If your
cat is in generally good health I would think the risk quite small.

My 17 yr old, Tigger, just had her teeth cleaned for the first time last
week. Her blood work had come back looking good and they started her on
antibiotics 2 days ahead of time. She didn't need anything but a simple
cleaning and didn't have extensive plaque build up.

She gets ugly with anyone she doesn't know and fortunately hasn't been up at
the vet frequently enough to know them well. She also hates being confined
in the carrier. In spite of this she came through the procedure like a
champ. She promptly came out of anesthesia and started hissing and being her
usual sweet (cough, cough) self. She held none of this against me and is
back to her normal routine of splitting her day between sleeping on the
couch and the bed with brief stops at the litter box and food bowl.

I hope all goes as well with your kitty.

W
Mary - 31 Aug 2004 16:05 GMT
> I'm looking at having one of my cats' teeth cleaned for the first time. Quite
> franky, I'm a little nervous about dropping her off for the day and leaving her
> scared, let alone worrying about her while she's under. What are the risks of
> this procedure? I know it needs to be done, I'm just trying to calm my fears
> about it. I know she's going to be terrified at being dropped off and left.

I feel the same way you do, so I really can't help. As far as it
"needing" to be done, I assume there is a problem with your cat's
teeth? Because I never once had Gnarly's teeth cleaned and I never
brushed them either, and she died with all of her teeth intact, just
one small chip, and not much plaque. As far as I am concerned,
I think long and hard before allowing my cats to be anesthetized.
equalizer - 31 Aug 2004 20:59 GMT
>> I'm looking at having one of my cats' teeth cleaned for the first time.
>Quite
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>one small chip, and not much plaque. As far as I am concerned,
>I think long and hard before allowing my cats to be anesthetized.

That's part of the dilemma - whether she "needs" it or not. She
definitely has heavy plaque buildup on her teeth, and the vet has said
she should have a cleaning at some point. But I take mine in for a
cough. My sister, on the other hand, has a 14 year old deaf cat who's
been indoor/outdoor in the country all her life, eats the cheap stuff,
and looks healthy as a kitten. I'm just worried about the effects off
all that plaque on her health.
Wendy - 31 Aug 2004 21:59 GMT
> >> I'm looking at having one of my cats' teeth cleaned for the first time.
> >Quite
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> and looks healthy as a kitten. I'm just worried about the effects off
> all that plaque on her health.

How old is your cat? Does she have bad breath? Any reason to believe her
mouth might be bothering her?

W
equalizer - 31 Aug 2004 22:06 GMT
>> That's part of the dilemma - whether she "needs" it or not. She
>> definitely has heavy plaque buildup on her teeth, and the vet has said
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>W

I don't know exactly how old she is -- she's a rescue. Her kittens are
4.5 right now, so I put her at 6 +, as she was estimated by the vet to
be about 2 when I took her in. No, she doesn't have (particularly!) bad
breath, and there's no reason to think she's in discomfort. It's more a
matter of the amount of plaque on her teeth (and I brush their teeth
almost every day) as a preventive exercise. Am I going overboard?
Wendy - 31 Aug 2004 22:50 GMT
> >> That's part of the dilemma - whether she "needs" it or not. She
> >> definitely has heavy plaque buildup on her teeth, and the vet has said
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> matter of the amount of plaque on her teeth (and I brush their teeth
> almost every day) as a preventive exercise. Am I going overboard?

I don't think so. If she has heavy plaque then it make sense to get the
teeth cleaned before she ends up with worse problems.

W
equalizer - 31 Aug 2004 23:26 GMT
>> >How old is your cat? Does she have bad breath? Any reason to believe her
>> >mouth might be bothering her?
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
>W

I'll probably have it done then. Funny thing thing is I just went to the
dentist today and need to start seeing a periodontist, so I'm in the
same boat. Only they (probably) won't knock me out and restrain me to
prevent me from hurting anyone.

Definitely going to be a miserable Friday (a day off to boot) while
she's in there.
Cheryl - 01 Sep 2004 02:33 GMT
In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.health+behav", equalizer <>
artfully composed this message within
<news:tju9j0ll8srquojveh5om19nar8pvfm2kr@4ax.com> on 31 Aug 2004:

> I'll probably have it done then. Funny thing thing is I just
> went to the dentist today and need to start seeing a
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Definitely going to be a miserable Friday (a day off to boot)
> while she's in there.

We'll be sending out good thoughts and purrs for Friday.

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Karen Chuplis - 01 Sep 2004 00:31 GMT
>>> I'm looking at having one of my cats' teeth cleaned for the first time.
>> Quite
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> and looks healthy as a kitten. I'm just worried about the effects off
> all that plaque on her health.

The plaque is something to worry about. That's where the germs come from. I
would risk it. The indoor outdoor cat crunches on bones, I bet, which really
helps their teeth.
PawsForThought - 01 Sep 2004 01:28 GMT
>From: Karen Chuplis kchuplis@alltel.net

>The indoor outdoor cat crunches on bones, I bet, which really
>helps their teeth.

It's really helped with my cats, them being on a raw diet.  I know with my last
cat, I did get her teeth cleaned but she still ended up needing some extracted.
Diet does play an important part, as does genetics.

Lauren
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Mary - 01 Sep 2004 02:03 GMT
> >>> I'm looking at having one of my cats' teeth cleaned for the first time.
> >> Quite
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> The plaque is something to worry about. That's where the germs come from.
I would risk it. The indoor outdoor cat crunches on bones, I bet, which
really helps their teeth.

I fed Gnarly dry only for the last 15 years of her life. I think that
helped, teeth wise. I also think she was genetically blessed. She never got
so much as a cold in all her 20 years.
Wendy - 01 Sep 2004 12:22 GMT
> > >>> I'm looking at having one of my cats' teeth cleaned for the first
> time.
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
> helped, teeth wise. I also think she was genetically blessed. She never got
> so much as a cold in all her 20 years.

My Tigger eats dry food. The vet said a lot of it has to do with genetics
though. If Gnarly and Tigger are any indication sheer orneriness may have
something to do with it too. lol

W
Mary - 01 Sep 2004 15:38 GMT
> > I fed Gnarly dry only for the last 15 years of her life. I think that
helped, teeth wise. I also think she was genetically blessed. She never got
so much as a cold in all her 20 years.

> My Tigger eats dry food. The vet said a lot of it has to do with genetics
though. If Gnarly and Tigger are any indication sheer orneriness may
havesomething to do with it too. lol

This is true! Aside from how much she enjoyed just walking up out of the
blue and biting *just shy of hard enough to draw blood, but way past hard
enough to hurt,* she had a wicked sense of humor. When my husband and I
first married, his bathroom door didn't really close all the way, and when
it was not properly closed just a tap would send it swinging in, all the way
open. She liked to run up and push it with her front paws then run away.
Great fun when we had company and he was on the john. :)
Barb - 31 Aug 2004 17:00 GMT
I felt so bad leaving my Sapphire for the day to have 2 teeth pulled.  She
hadn't been left there since 14 years ago when she was spayed.  I bought her
a super soft baby blanket and let her and her 2 pals sprawl on it the day
before.  When they took her and put her in a cage with the blanket she
seemed very calm and just sort of depressed.

They let me take her home in the early evening.  She was falling all over
and I called the vet in a panic.  He said the anesthesia hadn't worn off yet
and just leave her in her travel case overnight.  I left her in a couple
hours, then put her in the litter pan.  She made.  Then I laid her out on
the bed and she totally sacked out until morning.  Then she was fine.
Anyway, I was glad they didn't make me leave her overnight!

So, best of luck,

--
Barb
Of course I don't look busy,
I did it right the first time.
Brandy??Alexandre - 31 Aug 2004 23:20 GMT
Barb <bguzzino@suffolk.lib.ny.us> wrote in
rec.pets.cats.health+behav:

> They let me take her home in the early evening.  She was falling
> all over and I called the vet in a panic.  He said the anesthesia
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> So, best of luck,

My neighbor's cat had three teeth surgically removed and she was
HAPPIER after if you can imagine.  She had apparently been hurting for
a while and some cats just don't let you know.

Kami came through just fine last week.  I think the issue is what they
use for anesthesia.  She was on antibiotics three days prior and they
rinsed her with antibiotic and fluoride after they were done.  I just
looked at the invoice more closely, and it looks like they really take
advantage of the cat being out.  She had her nails clipped, anal sacs
expressed, etc. all for the price of admission ($124).  Bloodwork was
extra.

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Sherry - 01 Sep 2004 01:41 GMT
>I'm looking at having one of my cats' teeth cleaned for the first time. Quite
>franky, I'm a little nervous about dropping her off for the day and leaving
>her
>scared, let alone worrying about her while she's under. What are the risks of
>this procedure? I know it needs to be done, I'm just trying to calm my fears
>about it. I know she's going to be terrified at being dropped off and left.

I think the risks are very minimal for a healthy cat. We had Cherokee's teeth
cleaned even after he was very old and he always did fine. The younger cats I
have now have never had a problem, either.
I know you're nervous about it, but the risks of NOT having them cleaned are
scary, too. Good luck.

Sherry
equalizer - 01 Sep 2004 01:47 GMT
>>I'm looking at having one of my cats' teeth cleaned for the first time. Quite
>>franky, I'm a little nervous about dropping her off for the day and leaving
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>Sherry

Thanks!
Mary - 01 Sep 2004 02:10 GMT
> I think the risks are very minimal for a healthy cat. We had Cherokee's teeth
> cleaned even after he was very old and he always did fine. The younger cats I
> have now have never had a problem, either.
> I know you're nervous about it, but the risks of NOT having them cleaned are
> scary, too. Good luck.

Sherry, can you tell me more about the dangers of bacteria
associated with plaque build up? I bet I am not the only
one here who does not know all the details.
Brandy??Alexandre - 01 Sep 2004 02:59 GMT
Mary <rosefan@email.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:

>> I think the risks are very minimal for a healthy cat. We had
>> Cherokee's
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> associated with plaque build up? I bet I am not the only
> one here who does not know all the details.

http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/health/dental.html

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Sherry - 01 Sep 2004 04:13 GMT
>> Sherry, can you tell me more about the dangers of bacteria
>> associated with plaque build up? I bet I am not the only
>> one here who does not know all the details.

In a real un-technical explanation, all I remember is the vet talking about the
bacteria getting into the bloodstream, and in turn causing infection in the
heart, liver or kidneys.

Sherry
Mary - 01 Sep 2004 05:02 GMT
> >> Sherry, can you tell me more about the dangers of bacteria
> >> associated with plaque build up? I bet I am not the only
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> bacteria getting into the bloodstream, and in turn causing infection in the
> heart, liver or kidneys.

Well I guess I should rethink having Cheeks and Buddha done.
equalizer - 01 Sep 2004 10:35 GMT
>>> Sherry, can you tell me more about the dangers of bacteria
>>> associated with plaque build up? I bet I am not the only
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>Sherry

My dentist was trying to use that as a scare tactic while explaining
periodontal disease to me, and why *I* needed treatment, and all I was
thinking about was the cats' teeth.

eq
Sherry - 01 Sep 2004 14:19 GMT
>My dentist was trying to use that as a scare tactic while explaining
>periodontal disease to me, and why *I* needed treatment, and all I was
>thinking about was the cats' teeth.
>
>eq

Eq, it's not just a scare tactic. My daughter is a critical care RN in a
cardiac hospital. It's not unusual at all for them to have valve replacement
surgeries that were caused from dental problems.
When I go the dentist for *anything* have to take 6 250-mg. Amoxcillin an hour
before.  I have mitral valve prolapse, and I guess they want to make sure all
that bacteria is good and dead. :-)
Anyway, that helped make a believer out of me about the cat's oral health.

Sherry

Sherry
Mary - 01 Sep 2004 15:39 GMT
"Sherry " <sriddles@aol.comkitty> wrote
 >I have mitral valve prolapse

Same valve but they call mine "regurgitation."
Mary - 01 Sep 2004 15:23 GMT
> My dentist was trying to use that as a scare tactic while explaining
> periodontal disease to me, and why *I* needed treatment, and all I was
> thinking about was the cats' teeth.
>
> eq

I have understood for a long time that bad teeth aka decaying
teeth could have a negative effect on one's whole system, but I
thought as long as there were no cavities there was no problem
with bacteria. I have a heart murmer (like about one third
of the rest of the population) and so take six horse-sized (or
so it seems to someone who hates taking pills) pills before each
cleaning. It makes sense that working on teeth where bacteria
are naturally, while causing some bleeding, which most dentistry
does, even a good cleaning, might introduce bacteria into the
blood stream. But I had not known that plaque causes any
danger except to the teeth themselves.
MacCandace - 01 Sep 2004 07:49 GMT
<< I'm a little nervous about dropping her off for the day and leaving her
scared, let alone worrying about her while she's under. What are the risks of
this procedure? >>

Well, I had my now RB cat, Cory, done (dental) when he was 13 as he kept
getting infections.  I was horrified to leave him because he was very scared of
the vet and I'm a massive worrier.  My vet at the time was very nice.  I took
the day off work, took him in and she let me hold him until they were ready to
put him under.  Then they came and put the IV in with me there and took him
away.  I waited in the waiting room and the tech kept coming out and giving me
progress reports (even though I hadn't requested that).  It didn't really take
very long.  Afterwards, I just waited until they said he was coming out from
anesthesia (he had propofol for the induction agent and isoflurane gas for
anesthesia) and was looking good.  I looked at him in his cage, saw that he
looked okay but very groggy.  At that point, I was able to feel more relaxed so
I left for several hours and did errands and then went and picked him up at the
end of the day.  It made me feel a lot better being close to him when he was
under.

I did the same thing when my cat, Abbey, was spayed 3 years ago.  I waited with
her until she went under and came out of surgery and then I left and picked her
up later that afternoon.

I'm sure they thought I was a little insane but it made me feel better so I
didn't care.

Candace
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CajunPrincess - 01 Sep 2004 18:41 GMT
> I'm looking at having one of my cats' teeth cleaned for the first time. Quite
> franky, I'm a little nervous about dropping her off for the day and leaving her
> scared, let alone worrying about her while she's under. What are the risks of
> this procedure? I know it needs to be done, I'm just trying to calm my fears
> about it. I know she's going to be terrified at being dropped off and left.

My understanding is that Isoflourane is the desirable anesthetic for
this procedure because they wake up much faster after it's
discontinued and/or it doesn't supress their respiration, etc. as much
as what they used to use (not completely sure if it's both or just
one).  The bottom line, as I understand it, is that it's safer for
something like a dental procedure.  There is also an electric blanket
type thing that is available to keep their tempreture constant when
they are under.

I understand that teeth cleaning is desirable because, among other
things, the nasties that can grow in the teeth/gum area after a while
can cause sytemic infections.  I don't know how much regular cleaning
of the cat's teeth at home reduces this risk but I've read of some
people who do that.  I assume regular cleaning could only be
benificial but it seems to me you would have to get the cat accustomed
to it early on. I don't think mine would be amenable given my
experience with eyedrops, ear drops, etc.

Really, as I understand it with the right procedures in place the
dentals for cats pose little risk now, assuming the cat is healthy.
They are supposed to evaluate the cat for risk before they put him/her
under.
equalizer - 01 Sep 2004 23:25 GMT
>> I'm looking at having one of my cats' teeth cleaned for the first time. Quite
>> franky, I'm a little nervous about dropping her off for the day and leaving her
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>type thing that is available to keep their tempreture constant when
>they are under.

That's the anesthetic they use. I made sure of it. She was under with
the same when she was spayed and had no problem. I think my biggest fear
is leaving her there and her going thru the thoughts of being abandoned
more than the risk of the anesthesia.

>I understand that teeth cleaning is desirable because, among other
>things, the nasties that can grow in the teeth/gum area after a while
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>to it early on. I don't think mine would be amenable given my
>experience with eyedrops, ear drops, etc.

I started the kittens out early. I have to fight Floppy a little bit,
like sit on top of him while I brush his teeth. Robocat has been
unbelievably cooperative since he was a tiny 8 week old kitten. He just
sits upright with his head back and yes closed and patiently waits as I
brush his teeth, no restraint needed. Daisy fights, but the real problem
with her is her mouth is so tiny I can't get a brush in there real good.

>Really, as I understand it with the right procedures in place the
>dentals for cats pose little risk now, assuming the cat is healthy.
>They are supposed to evaluate the cat for risk before they put him/her
>under.

She's going in for another issue tomorrow evening. They'll determine at
that time whether she is OK for the dental procedure on Friday.

eq
equalizer - 03 Sep 2004 02:11 GMT
Good news -- I just brought Daisy for her pre-anesthesia check up and
the vet said she doesn't even need a cleaning! He gave her a 1 on a
scale to 5 for plaque build-up, and said the procedure would be
preventive rather than necessary as treatment. I guess I'm doing a
better job on her teeth than I thought! Now I can concentrate on more
pressing things on my day off, like hurting myself on my mountain bike.

eq
Karen Chuplis - 03 Sep 2004 03:36 GMT
> Good news -- I just brought Daisy for her pre-anesthesia check up and
> the vet said she doesn't even need a cleaning! He gave her a 1 on a
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> eq
Good news!
Brandy??Alexandre - 03 Sep 2004 03:55 GMT
Karen Chuplis <kchuplis@alltel.net> wrote in
rec.pets.cats.health+behav:

>> Good news -- I just brought Daisy for her pre-anesthesia check up
>> and the vet said she doesn't even need a cleaning! He gave her a
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>> eq
> Good news!

Yes it is.  I would still consider getting it done preventively, though
it appears it can wait if it's only a 1.

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