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Dental Cleaning?
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equalizer - 31 Aug 2004 13:42 GMT I'm looking at having one of my cats' teeth cleaned for the first time. Quite franky, I'm a little nervous about dropping her off for the day and leaving her scared, let alone worrying about her while she's under. What are the risks of this procedure? I know it needs to be done, I'm just trying to calm my fears about it. I know she's going to be terrified at being dropped off and left.
Karen Chuplis - 31 Aug 2004 14:29 GMT > I'm looking at having one of my cats' teeth cleaned for the first time. Quite > franky, I'm a little nervous about dropping her off for the day and leaving > her > scared, let alone worrying about her while she's under. What are the risks of > this procedure? I know it needs to be done, I'm just trying to calm my fears > about it. I know she's going to be terrified at being dropped off and left. Well, the anesthesia is always the risk, but just think of Jackie cat that has so many problems and came through her dental fine. She will be happier after her teeth are cleaned. Ask the vet what kind of anesthesia they use.
dgk - 31 Aug 2004 16:09 GMT >> I'm looking at having one of my cats' teeth cleaned for the first time. Quite >> franky, I'm a little nervous about dropping her off for the day and leaving [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >has so many problems and came through her dental fine. She will be happier >after her teeth are cleaned. Ask the vet what kind of anesthesia they use. You just wrote what I was going to say. That Ketamine (sp?) stuff shouldn't be used according to everyone here.
Wendy - 31 Aug 2004 14:31 GMT > I'm looking at having one of my cats' teeth cleaned for the first time. Quite > franky, I'm a little nervous about dropping her off for the day and leaving her > scared, let alone worrying about her while she's under. What are the risks of > this procedure? I know it needs to be done, I'm just trying to calm my fears > about it. I know she's going to be terrified at being dropped off and left. Any time general anesthesia is administered there is a risk factor. If your cat is in generally good health I would think the risk quite small.
My 17 yr old, Tigger, just had her teeth cleaned for the first time last week. Her blood work had come back looking good and they started her on antibiotics 2 days ahead of time. She didn't need anything but a simple cleaning and didn't have extensive plaque build up.
She gets ugly with anyone she doesn't know and fortunately hasn't been up at the vet frequently enough to know them well. She also hates being confined in the carrier. In spite of this she came through the procedure like a champ. She promptly came out of anesthesia and started hissing and being her usual sweet (cough, cough) self. She held none of this against me and is back to her normal routine of splitting her day between sleeping on the couch and the bed with brief stops at the litter box and food bowl.
I hope all goes as well with your kitty.
W
Mary - 31 Aug 2004 16:05 GMT > I'm looking at having one of my cats' teeth cleaned for the first time. Quite > franky, I'm a little nervous about dropping her off for the day and leaving her > scared, let alone worrying about her while she's under. What are the risks of > this procedure? I know it needs to be done, I'm just trying to calm my fears > about it. I know she's going to be terrified at being dropped off and left. I feel the same way you do, so I really can't help. As far as it "needing" to be done, I assume there is a problem with your cat's teeth? Because I never once had Gnarly's teeth cleaned and I never brushed them either, and she died with all of her teeth intact, just one small chip, and not much plaque. As far as I am concerned, I think long and hard before allowing my cats to be anesthetized.
equalizer - 31 Aug 2004 20:59 GMT >> I'm looking at having one of my cats' teeth cleaned for the first time. >Quite [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >one small chip, and not much plaque. As far as I am concerned, >I think long and hard before allowing my cats to be anesthetized. That's part of the dilemma - whether she "needs" it or not. She definitely has heavy plaque buildup on her teeth, and the vet has said she should have a cleaning at some point. But I take mine in for a cough. My sister, on the other hand, has a 14 year old deaf cat who's been indoor/outdoor in the country all her life, eats the cheap stuff, and looks healthy as a kitten. I'm just worried about the effects off all that plaque on her health.
Wendy - 31 Aug 2004 21:59 GMT > >> I'm looking at having one of my cats' teeth cleaned for the first time. > >Quite [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > and looks healthy as a kitten. I'm just worried about the effects off > all that plaque on her health. How old is your cat? Does she have bad breath? Any reason to believe her mouth might be bothering her?
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equalizer - 31 Aug 2004 22:06 GMT >> That's part of the dilemma - whether she "needs" it or not. She >> definitely has heavy plaque buildup on her teeth, and the vet has said [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >W I don't know exactly how old she is -- she's a rescue. Her kittens are 4.5 right now, so I put her at 6 +, as she was estimated by the vet to be about 2 when I took her in. No, she doesn't have (particularly!) bad breath, and there's no reason to think she's in discomfort. It's more a matter of the amount of plaque on her teeth (and I brush their teeth almost every day) as a preventive exercise. Am I going overboard?
Wendy - 31 Aug 2004 22:50 GMT > >> That's part of the dilemma - whether she "needs" it or not. She > >> definitely has heavy plaque buildup on her teeth, and the vet has said [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > matter of the amount of plaque on her teeth (and I brush their teeth > almost every day) as a preventive exercise. Am I going overboard? I don't think so. If she has heavy plaque then it make sense to get the teeth cleaned before she ends up with worse problems.
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equalizer - 31 Aug 2004 23:26 GMT >> >How old is your cat? Does she have bad breath? Any reason to believe her >> >mouth might be bothering her? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >W I'll probably have it done then. Funny thing thing is I just went to the dentist today and need to start seeing a periodontist, so I'm in the same boat. Only they (probably) won't knock me out and restrain me to prevent me from hurting anyone.
Definitely going to be a miserable Friday (a day off to boot) while she's in there.
Cheryl - 01 Sep 2004 02:33 GMT In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.health+behav", equalizer <> artfully composed this message within <news:tju9j0ll8srquojveh5om19nar8pvfm2kr@4ax.com> on 31 Aug 2004:
> I'll probably have it done then. Funny thing thing is I just > went to the dentist today and need to start seeing a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Definitely going to be a miserable Friday (a day off to boot) > while she's in there. We'll be sending out good thoughts and purrs for Friday.
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Karen Chuplis - 01 Sep 2004 00:31 GMT >>> I'm looking at having one of my cats' teeth cleaned for the first time. >> Quite [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > and looks healthy as a kitten. I'm just worried about the effects off > all that plaque on her health. The plaque is something to worry about. That's where the germs come from. I would risk it. The indoor outdoor cat crunches on bones, I bet, which really helps their teeth.
PawsForThought - 01 Sep 2004 01:28 GMT >From: Karen Chuplis kchuplis@alltel.net
>The indoor outdoor cat crunches on bones, I bet, which really >helps their teeth. It's really helped with my cats, them being on a raw diet. I know with my last cat, I did get her teeth cleaned but she still ended up needing some extracted. Diet does play an important part, as does genetics.
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Mary - 01 Sep 2004 02:03 GMT > >>> I'm looking at having one of my cats' teeth cleaned for the first time. > >> Quite [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > The plaque is something to worry about. That's where the germs come from. I would risk it. The indoor outdoor cat crunches on bones, I bet, which really helps their teeth.
I fed Gnarly dry only for the last 15 years of her life. I think that helped, teeth wise. I also think she was genetically blessed. She never got so much as a cold in all her 20 years.
Wendy - 01 Sep 2004 12:22 GMT > > >>> I'm looking at having one of my cats' teeth cleaned for the first > time. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > helped, teeth wise. I also think she was genetically blessed. She never got > so much as a cold in all her 20 years. My Tigger eats dry food. The vet said a lot of it has to do with genetics though. If Gnarly and Tigger are any indication sheer orneriness may have something to do with it too. lol
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Mary - 01 Sep 2004 15:38 GMT > > I fed Gnarly dry only for the last 15 years of her life. I think that helped, teeth wise. I also think she was genetically blessed. She never got so much as a cold in all her 20 years.
> My Tigger eats dry food. The vet said a lot of it has to do with genetics though. If Gnarly and Tigger are any indication sheer orneriness may havesomething to do with it too. lol
This is true! Aside from how much she enjoyed just walking up out of the blue and biting *just shy of hard enough to draw blood, but way past hard enough to hurt,* she had a wicked sense of humor. When my husband and I first married, his bathroom door didn't really close all the way, and when it was not properly closed just a tap would send it swinging in, all the way open. She liked to run up and push it with her front paws then run away. Great fun when we had company and he was on the john. :)
Barb - 31 Aug 2004 17:00 GMT I felt so bad leaving my Sapphire for the day to have 2 teeth pulled. She hadn't been left there since 14 years ago when she was spayed. I bought her a super soft baby blanket and let her and her 2 pals sprawl on it the day before. When they took her and put her in a cage with the blanket she seemed very calm and just sort of depressed.
They let me take her home in the early evening. She was falling all over and I called the vet in a panic. He said the anesthesia hadn't worn off yet and just leave her in her travel case overnight. I left her in a couple hours, then put her in the litter pan. She made. Then I laid her out on the bed and she totally sacked out until morning. Then she was fine. Anyway, I was glad they didn't make me leave her overnight!
So, best of luck,
-- Barb Of course I don't look busy, I did it right the first time.
Brandy??Alexandre - 31 Aug 2004 23:20 GMT Barb <bguzzino@suffolk.lib.ny.us> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
> They let me take her home in the early evening. She was falling > all over and I called the vet in a panic. He said the anesthesia [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > So, best of luck, My neighbor's cat had three teeth surgically removed and she was HAPPIER after if you can imagine. She had apparently been hurting for a while and some cats just don't let you know.
Kami came through just fine last week. I think the issue is what they use for anesthesia. She was on antibiotics three days prior and they rinsed her with antibiotic and fluoride after they were done. I just looked at the invoice more closely, and it looks like they really take advantage of the cat being out. She had her nails clipped, anal sacs expressed, etc. all for the price of admission ($124). Bloodwork was extra.
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Sherry - 01 Sep 2004 01:41 GMT >I'm looking at having one of my cats' teeth cleaned for the first time. Quite >franky, I'm a little nervous about dropping her off for the day and leaving >her >scared, let alone worrying about her while she's under. What are the risks of >this procedure? I know it needs to be done, I'm just trying to calm my fears >about it. I know she's going to be terrified at being dropped off and left. I think the risks are very minimal for a healthy cat. We had Cherokee's teeth cleaned even after he was very old and he always did fine. The younger cats I have now have never had a problem, either. I know you're nervous about it, but the risks of NOT having them cleaned are scary, too. Good luck.
Sherry
equalizer - 01 Sep 2004 01:47 GMT >>I'm looking at having one of my cats' teeth cleaned for the first time. Quite >>franky, I'm a little nervous about dropping her off for the day and leaving [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Sherry Thanks!
Mary - 01 Sep 2004 02:10 GMT > I think the risks are very minimal for a healthy cat. We had Cherokee's teeth > cleaned even after he was very old and he always did fine. The younger cats I > have now have never had a problem, either. > I know you're nervous about it, but the risks of NOT having them cleaned are > scary, too. Good luck. Sherry, can you tell me more about the dangers of bacteria associated with plaque build up? I bet I am not the only one here who does not know all the details.
Brandy??Alexandre - 01 Sep 2004 02:59 GMT Mary <rosefan@email.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
>> I think the risks are very minimal for a healthy cat. We had >> Cherokee's [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > associated with plaque build up? I bet I am not the only > one here who does not know all the details. http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/health/dental.html
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Sherry - 01 Sep 2004 04:13 GMT >> Sherry, can you tell me more about the dangers of bacteria >> associated with plaque build up? I bet I am not the only >> one here who does not know all the details. In a real un-technical explanation, all I remember is the vet talking about the bacteria getting into the bloodstream, and in turn causing infection in the heart, liver or kidneys.
Sherry
Mary - 01 Sep 2004 05:02 GMT > >> Sherry, can you tell me more about the dangers of bacteria > >> associated with plaque build up? I bet I am not the only [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > bacteria getting into the bloodstream, and in turn causing infection in the > heart, liver or kidneys. Well I guess I should rethink having Cheeks and Buddha done.
equalizer - 01 Sep 2004 10:35 GMT >>> Sherry, can you tell me more about the dangers of bacteria >>> associated with plaque build up? I bet I am not the only [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Sherry My dentist was trying to use that as a scare tactic while explaining periodontal disease to me, and why *I* needed treatment, and all I was thinking about was the cats' teeth.
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Sherry - 01 Sep 2004 14:19 GMT >My dentist was trying to use that as a scare tactic while explaining >periodontal disease to me, and why *I* needed treatment, and all I was >thinking about was the cats' teeth. > >eq Eq, it's not just a scare tactic. My daughter is a critical care RN in a cardiac hospital. It's not unusual at all for them to have valve replacement surgeries that were caused from dental problems. When I go the dentist for *anything* have to take 6 250-mg. Amoxcillin an hour before. I have mitral valve prolapse, and I guess they want to make sure all that bacteria is good and dead. :-) Anyway, that helped make a believer out of me about the cat's oral health.
Sherry
Sherry
Mary - 01 Sep 2004 15:39 GMT "Sherry " <sriddles@aol.comkitty> wrote >I have mitral valve prolapse
Same valve but they call mine "regurgitation."
Mary - 01 Sep 2004 15:23 GMT > My dentist was trying to use that as a scare tactic while explaining > periodontal disease to me, and why *I* needed treatment, and all I was > thinking about was the cats' teeth. > > eq I have understood for a long time that bad teeth aka decaying teeth could have a negative effect on one's whole system, but I thought as long as there were no cavities there was no problem with bacteria. I have a heart murmer (like about one third of the rest of the population) and so take six horse-sized (or so it seems to someone who hates taking pills) pills before each cleaning. It makes sense that working on teeth where bacteria are naturally, while causing some bleeding, which most dentistry does, even a good cleaning, might introduce bacteria into the blood stream. But I had not known that plaque causes any danger except to the teeth themselves.
MacCandace - 01 Sep 2004 07:49 GMT << I'm a little nervous about dropping her off for the day and leaving her scared, let alone worrying about her while she's under. What are the risks of this procedure? >>
Well, I had my now RB cat, Cory, done (dental) when he was 13 as he kept getting infections. I was horrified to leave him because he was very scared of the vet and I'm a massive worrier. My vet at the time was very nice. I took the day off work, took him in and she let me hold him until they were ready to put him under. Then they came and put the IV in with me there and took him away. I waited in the waiting room and the tech kept coming out and giving me progress reports (even though I hadn't requested that). It didn't really take very long. Afterwards, I just waited until they said he was coming out from anesthesia (he had propofol for the induction agent and isoflurane gas for anesthesia) and was looking good. I looked at him in his cage, saw that he looked okay but very groggy. At that point, I was able to feel more relaxed so I left for several hours and did errands and then went and picked him up at the end of the day. It made me feel a lot better being close to him when he was under.
I did the same thing when my cat, Abbey, was spayed 3 years ago. I waited with her until she went under and came out of surgery and then I left and picked her up later that afternoon.
I'm sure they thought I was a little insane but it made me feel better so I didn't care.
Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail)
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CajunPrincess - 01 Sep 2004 18:41 GMT > I'm looking at having one of my cats' teeth cleaned for the first time. Quite > franky, I'm a little nervous about dropping her off for the day and leaving her > scared, let alone worrying about her while she's under. What are the risks of > this procedure? I know it needs to be done, I'm just trying to calm my fears > about it. I know she's going to be terrified at being dropped off and left. My understanding is that Isoflourane is the desirable anesthetic for this procedure because they wake up much faster after it's discontinued and/or it doesn't supress their respiration, etc. as much as what they used to use (not completely sure if it's both or just one). The bottom line, as I understand it, is that it's safer for something like a dental procedure. There is also an electric blanket type thing that is available to keep their tempreture constant when they are under.
I understand that teeth cleaning is desirable because, among other things, the nasties that can grow in the teeth/gum area after a while can cause sytemic infections. I don't know how much regular cleaning of the cat's teeth at home reduces this risk but I've read of some people who do that. I assume regular cleaning could only be benificial but it seems to me you would have to get the cat accustomed to it early on. I don't think mine would be amenable given my experience with eyedrops, ear drops, etc.
Really, as I understand it with the right procedures in place the dentals for cats pose little risk now, assuming the cat is healthy. They are supposed to evaluate the cat for risk before they put him/her under.
equalizer - 01 Sep 2004 23:25 GMT >> I'm looking at having one of my cats' teeth cleaned for the first time. Quite >> franky, I'm a little nervous about dropping her off for the day and leaving her [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >type thing that is available to keep their tempreture constant when >they are under. That's the anesthetic they use. I made sure of it. She was under with the same when she was spayed and had no problem. I think my biggest fear is leaving her there and her going thru the thoughts of being abandoned more than the risk of the anesthesia.
>I understand that teeth cleaning is desirable because, among other >things, the nasties that can grow in the teeth/gum area after a while [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >to it early on. I don't think mine would be amenable given my >experience with eyedrops, ear drops, etc. I started the kittens out early. I have to fight Floppy a little bit, like sit on top of him while I brush his teeth. Robocat has been unbelievably cooperative since he was a tiny 8 week old kitten. He just sits upright with his head back and yes closed and patiently waits as I brush his teeth, no restraint needed. Daisy fights, but the real problem with her is her mouth is so tiny I can't get a brush in there real good.
>Really, as I understand it with the right procedures in place the >dentals for cats pose little risk now, assuming the cat is healthy. >They are supposed to evaluate the cat for risk before they put him/her >under. She's going in for another issue tomorrow evening. They'll determine at that time whether she is OK for the dental procedure on Friday.
eq
equalizer - 03 Sep 2004 02:11 GMT Good news -- I just brought Daisy for her pre-anesthesia check up and the vet said she doesn't even need a cleaning! He gave her a 1 on a scale to 5 for plaque build-up, and said the procedure would be preventive rather than necessary as treatment. I guess I'm doing a better job on her teeth than I thought! Now I can concentrate on more pressing things on my day off, like hurting myself on my mountain bike.
eq
Karen Chuplis - 03 Sep 2004 03:36 GMT > Good news -- I just brought Daisy for her pre-anesthesia check up and > the vet said she doesn't even need a cleaning! He gave her a 1 on a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > eq Good news!
Brandy??Alexandre - 03 Sep 2004 03:55 GMT Karen Chuplis <kchuplis@alltel.net> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
>> Good news -- I just brought Daisy for her pre-anesthesia check up >> and the vet said she doesn't even need a cleaning! He gave her a [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> eq > Good news! Yes it is. I would still consider getting it done preventively, though it appears it can wait if it's only a 1.
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