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FOAK: Cats won't stop scratching, at wit's end

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Preston Crawford - 26 Aug 2004 21:21 GMT
I've posted about this before. So I apologize for the redux. But the
problem hasn't been solved. Basically here's the scoop. We have 4 cats.  
Two cats hang out through the night and are happy to see us in the morning
(both for food an attention). The other two cats (a brother and sister,
strangely) scratch on the door of our bedroom every single night. Period.  
It wakes us up, disrupts our sleep. It's like I would imagine having
crying children to be (if I had them, of course) except they're not
outgrowing a phase. The other part that's important is that I have sleep
apnea, GERD, and a little insomnia. So I REALLY REALLY need quality sleep
and needless to say these conditions make it difficult. I generally follow
all the standard good sleep habits. No TV in the bedroom.  No food two
hours before bed. Etc., etc. It helps me to relax and get better sleep in
spite of these health roadblocks. Now we just can't keep these cats from
scratching at the door at 2, 3, 4 in the morning.

We tried initially letting them sleep with us, on the advice of others in
this newsgroup. That worked in that the scratching quit instantly. And the
cats actually seemed more to want access to us than to actually be in the
room. However, the boy of the pair started playfully nibbling on my
should, feet, whatever was exposed. In addition to being all too
fascinated with my breathing aparatus for my sleep apnea. As a consequence
while my wife's sleep got better my sleep went to hell in a handbasket.  
Got even worse. We tried it for a while, it was destroying my sleep. So on
the advice of others we got a water bottle and squirted him when he did
this. But he never ever ever ever stopped. So my sleep kept getting
destoryed. So we went to plan B, something someone else suggested, which
was to get some kind of "kitty jail", a room or a large kennel or
somewhere we could put them whe they scratched, in the hope that they'd
learn to stop scratching.  So we bought a giant, airy, comfortable soft
dog kennel which sits in our living room. Strangely they LOVE sleeping on
the top during the day so much (it's like a cat hammock, sometimes 3 of
them will be up there) that they've all but abandoned the house we bought
for them a long time ago.

Sadly, though, the cats aren't learning lessons of any sort. Every night
they scratch. Every night my wife or I have to put them in kitty jail.
Without fail. Every night. I'm reaching a breaking point with this problem
and I don't know what to do. My sleep is absolutely miserable and the cats
whether with the spray bottle or with the kitty jail don't seem to be
learning anything. It's been months and we're still at step A. I can't go
on like this. The only thing I can think of is to put them in the kitty
jail pre-emptively. Like when we go to bed. I haven't wanted to do that,
because that seems cruel, but I don't know what else to do. I'm at wit's
end. Please help me.

Any advice (aside from getting rid of the cats - not an option) is
appreciated.

Sincerely,

Preston
J1Boss - 26 Aug 2004 21:40 GMT
>The only thing I can think of is to put them in the kitty
>jail pre-emptively. Like when we go to bed. I haven't wanted to do that,
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>
>Preston

The answer is to give them a room of their own.  Do you have a guest room of
any sort?  Home office?  Any room that can be closed off?  If not, the
crate/cage is the answer.  They aren't going to LEARN from this - this is just
a management issue.  They defnitely want to be with you, but some cats are very
good at keeping their owners awake.

I don't close my bedroom door.  I have 2 dogs who sleep in my bedroom all night
(like rocks!) and one of my two cats does as well (snuggled up against my legs,
he readjusts when I move around).  My other cat, OTOH, vocalizes from random
places in the house all night.  Talk about keeping us awake.  We're working on
weaning her off some meds and hoping that will make a difference, but there's
nowhere we can put her where we won't hear her and it can drive us mad!

Janet Boss
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Preston Crawford - 26 Aug 2004 22:04 GMT
> The answer is to give them a room of their own.  Do you have a guest room of
> any sort?  Home office?  Any room that can be closed off?  If not, the
> crate/cage is the answer.  They aren't going to LEARN from this - this is just
> a management issue.  They defnitely want to be with you, but some cats are very
> good at keeping their owners awake.

I wish I did have a separate room. That would be the easy answer because
it wouldn't seem as cruel. The kennel isn't tiny, but it isn't big either.
It's the largest dog kennel we could get that was soft, but it's still
only so big. Unfortunately, though, we live in a 1 bedroom loft. Can't
close the loft off really (at least, not any way that I can see), so there
you have it.

> I don't close my bedroom door.  I have 2 dogs who sleep in my bedroom all night
> (like rocks!) and one of my two cats does as well (snuggled up against my legs,
> he readjusts when I move around).  My other cat, OTOH, vocalizes from random
> places in the house all night.  Talk about keeping us awake.  We're working on
> weaning her off some meds and hoping that will make a difference, but there's
> nowhere we can put her where we won't hear her and it can drive us mad!

I wish we could leave the door opened. We gave it an honest effort, but
the male just wants to play all night long.

Preston
Preston Crawford - 26 Aug 2004 21:45 GMT
Apologies about the FOAK. That's from another newsgroup where it means
Fount of all Knowledge. I didn't want to crosspost, but I wanted to ask
two groups the same question. Thus the mistake. Sorry about the confusion.

Preston
Leslie - 26 Aug 2004 21:59 GMT
Preston:

   Have you tried ear plugs? They worked for me:)

Leslie
                                                                         
                                                        "you can tell alot
about a people or person in how they treat animals"
Preston Crawford - 26 Aug 2004 22:21 GMT
> Preston:
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>                                                          "you can tell alot
> about a people or person in how they treat animals"

Yeah. So did my wife. They work okay for me, althogh on bad nights I could
still hear them. My wife could ALWAYS hear them and when she wakes up she
inevitably wakes me up.  

They're just too loud and too persistent.

Preston
PawsForThought - 27 Aug 2004 03:21 GMT
>From: Preston Crawford me@prestoncrawford.com

>Yeah. So did my wife. They work okay for me, althogh on bad nights I could
>still hear them. My wife could ALWAYS hear them and when she wakes up she
>inevitably wakes me up.  
>
>They're just too loud and too persistent.

Years ago I had a cat that would not sleep through the night and because of the
job I had, sleep was really important.  Well when she started scratching
outside the closed bedroom door, I threw the tv guide hard at the door.  It
really startled her.  The next night when she started to scratch, I did the
same thing.  Pretty soon she stopped scratching.  

Lauren
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Karen - 26 Aug 2004 22:12 GMT
Do you have an extra room with a view?  Just put a comfy bed, food, water
and maybe a cat tree by a window in there and Put Them To Bed at Night.
They will have each other for company and leave you alone. I see nothing
wrong with that at all.

> I've posted about this before. So I apologize for the redux. But the
> problem hasn't been solved. Basically here's the scoop. We have 4 cats.
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>
> Preston
Mary - 26 Aug 2004 22:29 GMT
> I've posted about this before. So I apologize for the redux. >
> Sadly, though, the cats aren't learning lessons of any sort. Every night
they scratch. Every night my wife or I have to put them in kitty jail.

Put them in the kitty jail before they scratch. Sleep soundly. Let them out
in the morning. Problem solved.
Ellie Pea - 26 Aug 2004 22:40 GMT
>I've posted about this before. So I apologize for the redux. But the
>problem hasn't been solved. Basically here's the scoop. We have 4 cats.  
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>spite of these health roadblocks. Now we just can't keep these cats from
>scratching at the door at 2, 3, 4 in the morning.

<Snip>

I had a slightly similar problem with my cat last summer. It can get
light here at 3 or 4am in high summer and she was waking me up
expecting to be fed as soon as the sun came up.   I tried shutting her
out of the bedroom, shutting her in the kitchen all night but I
couldn't stand the pitiful wailing!

Someone suggested to me that I feed her most of her food in the
evening and make sure I played with her to tire her out.  Took a bit
of trial and error but feeding her a meal when I get in from work and
then again later in the evening seemed to keep her happy all night and
she wouldn't bother me until my alarm went off in the morning.   She
still gets a small amount of food in the mornign but it's a habit I've
not been able to break!   I

If you haven't already got one, a good toy to send your cat's bonkers
and tire them out is a lazer pointer!
---MIKE--- - 26 Aug 2004 23:08 GMT
When I still had Ike (RB) for a while I regularly put him in the
bathroom at night.  I had a large carton with a door and windows cut in
and a small blanket on the bottom.  There was also a heating pad (on
low) under the blanket.  Ike didn't seem to mind staying there at night.
Later om I stopped locking him up and he would sleep quietly on my bed.

                 ---MIKE---
Wendy - 27 Aug 2004 12:39 GMT
> I've posted about this before. So I apologize for the redux. But the
> problem hasn't been solved. Basically here's the scoop. We have 4 cats.
[quoted text clipped - 47 lines]
>
> Preston

Put the cat in the crate. I'm assuming (always dangerous) that the cat is
quiet while in the crate because you didn't mention him making a racket in
there. He must not be too distressed in there or he'd let you know it. Tire
him out before you go to bed and give him lots of lovin' when you let him
out in the morning. Eventually he'll adapt to your sleep cycle and won't
need to be crated any more.

W
 
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