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The Puppy Wizard - 15 Aug 2003 17:20 GMT HOWEDY People,
The Puppy Wizard has been teaching abHOWET the nature of stress and it's relationship to behavior problems and DIS-EASE for many years, but only for five years to the Whole Wild World, thanks to the INFORMATION SUPER HIGHWAY, courteHOWESY of Al Gore.
THANKS, AL!
The recent research at Purdue and UofOH verifying The Puppy Wizard's HOWEtrageHOWES claims, leaves the CRUMBS fall where they lay.
The Puppy Wizard is not interested in your COMPLAINTS, only in your REHABILITATION... That's gonna happen WON way, or the other... EITHER through EDUCATION or through CRIMINAL PROSECUTION or TREATMENT as A MENTAL ILLNESS, like any other ADDICTION.
HOWER DOG LOVERS and PARENTS are ADDICTED TO PUNISHMENT, cause THAT SATISFIES your fragile defective ego's and compensates for your inferiority complexes and weak, selfish, fearful, minds.
You gather here and wring hands as you WATCH YOUR DOGS KATS and KIDS DYING ON YOU, and CONTINUE to SHOCK CHOKE CONFINE PUNISH and KILL your best dogs and kats and do likeWIZE to your children.
The DOG RESEARCH points to the SAME SAME SAME SAME conditions under which J.Q. Pubic raises HOWER kids, and reap the same same same same, conclusions.
YOU'RE KILLIN YOUR OWN.
You can CHANGE this miserable state of affairs, or you can go DHOWEN with the ship, and be CANNONIZED as the Saint's Of DISTRESS, DIS-EASE, and DEATH, in The Puppy Wizard's Archives, along with ed w of PET LOSS dot CON and professor SCRUFF SHAKE of the department of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at UofWI and his ilk, for the next generations to study and learn abHOWET.
The choice is entirely yours, PET LOVERS and PARENTS.
The Puppy Wizard. <} ; ~ ) >
Can you tell the TRUTH from a LIE?:
> > > Jerome Bigge writes: > > > I do know that hitting, hurting > > > your dog will often make the > > > dog either aggressive or a fear > > > biter, neither of which we want to do.
And then we got, matty! Follow his discussion! This is what's called, a liar and dog abuser:
> > And neither does anyone else, > > Jerome. No matter > > what Jerry Howe states.
"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For Dealing With This I've Suggested It To Quite A Few Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer, 33 Years Experience.
You DO remember KILLFILING MARILYN for her coment above regarding her success with The Puppy Wizard's Surrogate Toy Separation Anxiety / Bed Time Calming Technique (STSA/BTCT)?
Perhaps you likeWIZE recall a pediatrician, Dr. Z, who commented that his bed time calming technique was quite similar?
> > You're scary Marilyn.
> > Marilyn must be quite a disturbed > > individual. I feel very sorry for her > > and her family.
"His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry. Your Method Takes Positive Training To The Next Level And Should Really Be Used By All Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce, Professional Trainer, 30 Years Experience.
> > BUT, giving you the benefit of the > > doubt, please provide a quote (an > > original quote, not from one of Jerry > > Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that > > shows a regular poster promoting or > > using an abusive form of training.
BWWWWEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
> > --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM" mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.
You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???
"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know Jack Wouldn't HaveDone It If He Thought Solo Couldn't Take It. I Still Crate Him Because Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.
You think allowing a "FEAR AGGRESSIVE MAN SHY" dog to be BEATEN by a strange male trainer is INTELLIGENT BEHAVIOR for a DOG LOVER?
"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens, But You'll Get Over It."mike duforth, author: "Courteous Canine."
You think HURTIN dogs and CRINGING is COURTEOUS?
"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently as possible. What does this mean?"
Means the author is a dog abuser of the worst magnitude.
"When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time, spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth and walk away. The dog won't be too thrilled with this but just ignore him and continue your normal behavior."
You think HURTING your dog is NORMAL BEHAVIOR?
--Mike Dufort author of the zero selling book "Courteous Canines"
You think HOWER pal mikey is playin with a full deck?
Yeah. When I preload my dog's mouth with bitter apple, suppose I don't get used to being stupid and cruel, mikey?
Then HOWE do I train my dog if I can't HURT it?
"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder, Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side, Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sionnach.
Oh, THANKS, sinofabitch...
And from terri willis, Psychoclown wrote: "Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro manure."
"Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply," lying frosty dahl, ethical breeder, expert trainer.
You think a EXXXPERT trainer got to BEAT a HUNTIN dog to MAKE IT HUNT?
"Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl, discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.
Perhaps the mom dog didn't want her babies HURT all their lives like HOWE HOWER dog lovers PREFER to HURT THEIR DOGS?
"John ran out, grabbed Blackie by the collar, and gave the dog two or three medium whacks on the rump with a training stick while holding him partially off the ground. John then told Blackie to sit, ran back to the line and cast him back to the dummies."
The Puppy Wizard sez a mom dog eatin her babies to SAVE THEM from a fate like that, is COMMENDABLE.
We're gonna teach folks THAT AIN'T NORMAL...
terri willis, Psychoclown wrote: "Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro manure."
Sez on our FAQ'S pages at K9 Web you should knee the dog in the chest, step on its toes, throw him down by his ears and climb all over it like a raped ape growling into his throat and bite IT on his ears, or leash pop it on a pronged spiked pinch choke collar or pop him in the snout with the heel of your palm.
"BethF" <dawg@alaska.com> wrote in message news:ugc7us32ki5fb9@corp.supernews.com...
> "Frank" <flmarcher@netscape.net> wrote in message > news:d2f1624e.0206101912.2980eb03@posting.google.com... > > dfrntdrums@aol.comMURK-OFF (Leah) wrote in message news:<20020610173326.01953.00000597@mb-fx.aol.com>...
> > > >"brianev" brianev@attbi.com wrote: > > > > I ENJOYED reading your book, and > > > > AGREED with what you had to say. > > > > I find it sick to hear what people > > > > do with their dogs. : > > > Keep in mind that everything he says that > > > the regular posters of this ng do to their > > > dogs are lies. : > > > All of it. Every last bit. : > > All of it? : > > Ear pinching? : > > Shock collars? : > > Spiked chokers? : > > The regulars lie more in their denials than > > Howe does in his accusing of them. : > Uh, Frank? Who do you see denying anything? > Its quite interesting that a newbie like yourself > would see denials when everyone has Jerry > killfiled and therefore don't even read his posts, > let alone respond to them. "Rocky" <2dogs@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message news:Xns92FEEC097E4AAaustralianshepherdca@130.133.1.4...
> Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> > When you compare using sound and > > praise to solve a problem with using > > shock collars, hanging, and punishment > > how can you criticize the use of sound?
> There's nothing more to be said, then. > You've made up your mind.
> But you've impressed me by mentioning > that you're a professor with 30 years of > experience.
> So, can you cite some examples of > people recommending "shock collars, > hanging, and punishment"?
BWWWAWHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
> -- > --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
You think matty's playin with a full goddamned deck?
matty's NOT a liar and dog abuser.
Isn't that true, Marilyn?
Of course not, but THIS IS:
"Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap," professora gingold.
"Marshall Dermer" <dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message news:a3h5qn$mra$1@uwm.edu...
> >Di,
> I don't believe you mentioned a particular > kind of training. If you are interested in > training retrieval behavior than do > consider our own Amy Dahl's:
> The 10-Minute Retriever : How to Make a > Well-Mannered, Obedient and > Enthusiastic Gun Dog in 10 Minutes a > Day by John I. Dahl, Amy Dahl
You failed to mention your pals the dahls are proven liars and dog abusers, professor "SCRUFF SHAKE:"
"I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A Dog I Do Not Believe There Is A Single Circumstance Ever, Where Slapping A Dog Is Anything But Destructive,"
LUCKY thing CHIN CHUCK absolutely don't mean slap the goddamned dog, we'd look like a conspiracy of LIARS and DOG abusers if CHIN CHUCK DID mean SLAP the dog.
"I don't see why anyone would want to choke or beat a dog, or how any trainer could possibly get a good working dog by making them unhapper, fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying frosty dahl.
DOES THAT SOUND LIKE THE TRUTH?
> just $17.95 at Amazon.com.
> (Also, it is best to killfile posts from the > few regulars here who are either ill- > tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.) > --Marshall
Or HOWE about HOWER just plain CRUEL STUPID and ABUSIVE DOG ABUSERS, professor SCRUFF SHAKE?
amy lying frosty dahl continues:
"On the other extreme, the really hard dogs we have trained require much more frequent and heavy application of pressure (PAIN j.h.) to get the job done,
This is continued resistance to your increasing authority, and the job is not done until it is overcome
Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply"
BUT NOBODY DOES THAT HERE...
"Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch"
OR ATTACKING HIS ABUSER.
"You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell instead of your thumb even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so urgent that resisting your will fades in importance.
CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever Ready Right Hand, As it catches on, try using the stick and no ear pinch.
When the dog is digging out to beat the stick and seems totally reliable without any ear pinch, you are finished
This is continued resistance to your increasing authority, and the job is not done until it is overcome"
If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly under the chin, say "No! Hold!"
(stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps because the ear is getting tender, or the dog has decided it isn't worth it)" lying frosty dahl.
"Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap," professora gingold.
From: Marshall Dermer (dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu) In article <38CC0C43.94E2DDD1@earthlink.net> rhurwitz@earthlink.net writes:
>> -snip headers etc.
>> Yes. you're right, I really should find >> the book.. they don't have these books >> in the local pet stores I frequent, where >> do you find Koehler?
> I got a nice large print copy from > Amazon.com
>Richard
Please try Powell's Books in Portland Oregon. Their URL is:
http://www.powells.com/
Unlike Amazon.com, Powell's keeps both new and used books on its shelves. You can order books via e-email.
Koehler Method Of Dog Training by Koehler, W R Published by HOWELL BOOK HOUSE (0876056575,
========================================================
Here's some quotes and some methods right outta your koehler book professor "SCRUFF SHAKE and scream "NO!" into its face for 5 seconds:"
"The Koehler Method of Dog Training (1962). New York: Howell Book Book House(p. 52-53)."
Hanging
"First, the trainer makes certain that the collar and leash are more than adequate for any jerk or strain that the dog's most frantic actions could cause. Then he starts to work the dog deliberately and fairly to the point where the dog makes his grab.
Before the teeth have reached their target, the dog, weight permitting, is jerked from the ground.
As in coping with some of the afore-mentioned problems the dog is suspended in mid-air.
However, to let the biting dog recover his footing while he still had the strength to renew the attack would be cruelty.
The only justifiable course is to hold him suspended until he has neither the strength nor inclination to renew the fight.
When finally it is obvious that he is physically incapable of expressing his resentment and is lowered to the ground, he will probably stagger loop-legged for a few steps, vomit once or twice, and roll over on his side.
The sight of a dog lying, thick-tongued, on his side, is not pleasant, but do not let it alarm you
THE REAL "HOOD"
"If your dog is a real "hood" who would regard the foregoing types of protest as "kid stuff" and would express his resentment of your efforts by biting, your problem is difficult -- and pressing.
"Professional trainers often get these extreme problems. Nearly always the "protest biter" is the handiwork of a person who, by avoiding situations that the dog might resent, has nurtured the seeds of rebellion and then cultivated the resultant growth with under correction.
When these people reap their inevitable and oftentimes painful harvest, they are ready to avail themselves of "the cruel trainer" whose advice they may have once rejected because it was incompatible with the sugary droolings of mealy- mouthed columnists, breed-ring biddies, and dog psychologists who, by the broken skins and broken hearts their misinformation causes, can be proven guilty of the greatest act of cruelty to animals since the dawn of time.
"With more genuine compassion for the biting dog than would ever be demonstrated by those who are "too kind" to make a correction and certainly with more disregard for his safety, the professional trainer morally feels obligated to perform a "major operation."
"Since we are presently concerned with the dog that bites in resentment of the demands of training, we will set our example in that situation. (In a later chapter we will deal with the with the much easier problem of the dog that bites someone other than his master."
Are we havin FUN yet?
Got a lite, professor SCRUFF SHAKE?
The Puppy Wizard. <} : ~ )
Ed Williams - 15 Aug 2003 17:36 GMT > HOWEDY People, > [quoted text clipped - 508 lines] > > The Puppy Wizard. <} : ~ ) > Per your request ahole, this helpful reminder email is to alert you to an error you made in this post to this newsgroup. The URL you posted is incorrect. The correct URL is: http://www.petloss.com
BTW, It has been said:
The symptom is neology: in particular, the combining of syllables of familiar words (like his name) for idiosyncratic psychological reasons. Jerry uses neologisms *exactly* like this and in a concentrated fashion you're unlikely to notice anywhere else on Usenet (possibly because most mentally ill eventually get help).
HOWEDY, abHOWETS (about), HOWER (our), HOWEsbreak, HOWET (out), etc.
And this neology, when combined with other symptoms, is of great concern. You yourself mention his sociopathic babbling; lets not also forget his expansive moods [1], irritability, stereotypy [2], negativism [3], irrelevant answers [4], loosening of association [5]...really, the symptoms go on forever.
The seriousness of Jerry's mental illness is difficult to fathom in an online environment. Just because somebody blindly rants without diplomacy, compassion, logic or understanding doesn't mean they'll automatically run rampage with a big axe. We just don't know. But then his rambling in this (and other) threads about a sick society and how "they are to blame" suggests a severe personality disorder strongly affected by paranoia (possibly schizophrenia); this incidentally fits in with his multiple personalities on Usenet (he literally converses with himself using other identities). In a way, it's possibly a good thing that he is isolated (clearly at all hours) with his computer and doesn't have much to do in the world at large.
Denial of his own condition clearly prevents him from seeking help and so he can't be blamed personally for that. The real shame is that somebody out there can't help him, or have a word with his Doctor. Nobody should have to suffer like Jerry.
At least Usenet users have an antidote (a killfile). Jerry simply has nobody.
[1] Expression without restraint, frequently with an overestimation of one's significance or importance and without any compassion for others. [2] Repetitive fixed pattern of speech. [3] Motiveless resistance to all attempts to follow instructions, request or directions. [4] Answer that is not in harmony with question asked (appears to ignore or not attend to question). [5] Ideas shift from one subject to another in a completely unrelated (often incoherent) way.
Take Care Jerry. Go and see your Doctor eh?
Old77 - 15 Aug 2003 19:21 GMT PLEASE quit cross posting
-- Mark K. aka Old77 1977 Ranger Sanger,Ca
> > HOWEDY People, > > [quoted text clipped - 561 lines] > Take Care Jerry. > Go and see your Doctor eh? Julia Altshuler - 15 Aug 2003 23:00 GMT This message is posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior (r.p.d.b.) regularly and occasionally to other newsgroups including alt.animals.dog, rec.pets.dogs.rescue, alt.pets.dog, and rec.pets.dogs.misc. These are unmoderated groups meaning that no one checks the messages to make sure they're on-topic, civil or sensible before they go through.
The purpose of this occasional posting is to give information about the newsgroup so that discussion about the newsgroup itself is cut down and discussion about dogs increases.
Like so many usenet groups, this group has people who post annoyingly and constantly, people who post angry and abusive messages, people who post to irritate others. It's up to individuals to decide which posters bother them.
Here are some guidelines that many people follow to make this newsgroup pleasant and informative:
1. Use your killfile. A killfile (or filter) makes invisible posts by any particular person or with any particular words in the subject line. The posts are still there, but they don't show up on the screen of the person using the killfile. Look at http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/killfilefaq.htm for instructions. Or try: http://www.graphixmad.plus.com/OE_FAQ_newsgroups.html.
2. Don't make more noise. The only thing more annoying than a troll is an otherwise rational person arguing with or about a troll. That's known as feeding the trolls. Please don't feed the trolls. It really is insane to attempt rational discussion with the insane.
3. Want to exercise your right to free speech and argue about or with trolls anyway? Put "ninnyboy" in the subject line. That way the people who want to join the fracas can, and those who don't can opt out by killfiling "ninnyboy." If you don't do this, expect to be killfiled yourself. [Jerry], with the brackets is also a recognized signal.
4. Figured out that arguing with trolls is useless but still want to talk about trolls by referring to them in the third person? Put "ninnyboy" in the subject line then too. That subject is boring too.
5. Trim quoted posts to include only the part you're responding to. Quoting an entire long post in order to respond to only a small piece of it is annoying. Again, if you don't do this, expect to be killfiled.
6. Understand Candace. Candace is an automatic program that answers troll posts automatically, repetititively and relentlessly. Most of us find these posts boring after a short while and killfile it too. That's O.K. You can't hurt its feelings.
7. Show no fear. Have a question or need to admit that you've made errors in dog training in the past? This is still a good place to come for (often contradictory) advice. Use your own judgment to decide what advice to follow and what not to. No harm can come to you even if people vehemently disagree, call you names or repost your old messages.
8. Label off-topic threads as "OT." A label helps people decide what to read and what not to.
9. Check the F.A.Q. for answers to frequent non-complicated questions.
10. Don't post pictures. This is not a binary newsgroup. That's plain text only, no HTML, no attachments. If you'd like, post a pointer to a website with pictures on it.
11. Don't crosspost. It's bad enough when someone posts something dog related to all the groups having to do with dogs. It's worse when totally unrelated groups get tossed in the mix. Feel like you absolutely have to jump in on something that's been crossposted to unrelated groups? Erase the extraneous ones when you answer.
The Puppy Wizard - 16 Aug 2003 03:21 GMT HOWEDY People,
The Puppy Wizard has been teaching abHOWET the nature of stress and it's relationship to behavior problems and DIS-EASE for many years, but only for five years to the Whole Wild World, thanks to the INFORMATION SUPER HIGHWAY, courteHOWESY of Al Gore.
THANKS, AL!
The recent research at Purdue and UofOH verifying The Puppy Wizard's HOWEtrageHOWES claims, leaves the CRUMBS fall where they lay.
The Puppy Wizard is not interested in your COMPLAINTS, only in your REHABILITATION... That's gonna happen WON way, or the other... EITHER through EDUCATION or through CRIMINAL PROSECUTION or TREATMENT as A MENTAL ILLNESS, like any other ADDICTION.
HOWER DOG LOVERS and PARENTS are ADDICTED TO PUNISHMENT, cause THAT SATISFIES your fragile defective ego's and compensates for your inferiority complexes and weak, selfish, fearful, minds.
You gather here and wring hands as you WATCH YOUR DOGS KATS and KIDS DYING ON YOU, and CONTINUE to SHOCK CHOKE CONFINE PUNISH and KILL your best dogs and kats and do likeWIZE to your children.
The DOG RESEARCH points to the SAME SAME SAME SAME conditions under which J.Q. Pubic raises HOWER kids, and reap the same same same same, conclusions.
YOU'RE KILLIN YOUR OWN.
You can CHANGE this miserable state of affairs, or you can go DHOWEN with the ship, and be CANNONIZED as the Saint's Of DISTRESS, DIS-EASE, and DEATH, in The Puppy Wizard's Archives, along with ed w of PET LOSS dot CON and professor SCRUFF SHAKE of the department of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at UofWI and his ilk, for the next generations to study and learn abHOWET.
The choice is entirely yours, PET LOVERS and PARENTS.
The Puppy Wizard. <} ; ~ ) >
Can you tell the TRUTH from a LIE?:
> > > Jerome Bigge writes: > > > I do know that hitting, hurting > > > your dog will often make the > > > dog either aggressive or a fear > > > biter, neither of which we want to do.
And then we got, matty! Follow his discussion! This is what's called, a liar and dog abuser:
> > And neither does anyone else, > > Jerome. No matter > > what Jerry Howe states.
"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For Dealing With This I've Suggested It To Quite A Few Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer, 33 Years Experience.
You DO remember KILLFILING MARILYN for her coment above regarding her success with The Puppy Wizard's Surrogate Toy Separation Anxiety / Bed Time Calming Technique (STSA/BTCT)?
Perhaps you likeWIZE recall a pediatrician, Dr. Z, who commented that his bed time calming technique was quite similar?
> > You're scary Marilyn.
> > Marilyn must be quite a disturbed > > individual. I feel very sorry for her > > and her family.
"His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry. Your Method Takes Positive Training To The Next Level And Should Really Be Used By All Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce, Professional Trainer, 30 Years Experience.
> > BUT, giving you the benefit of the > > doubt, please provide a quote (an > > original quote, not from one of Jerry > > Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that > > shows a regular poster promoting or > > using an abusive form of training.
BWWWWEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
> > --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM" mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.
You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???
"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know Jack Wouldn't HaveDone It If He Thought Solo Couldn't Take It. I Still Crate Him Because Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.
You think allowing a "FEAR AGGRESSIVE MAN SHY" dog to be BEATEN by a strange male trainer is INTELLIGENT BEHAVIOR for a DOG LOVER?
"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens, But You'll Get Over It."mike duforth, author: "Courteous Canine."
You think HURTIN dogs and CRINGING is COURTEOUS?
"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently as possible. What does this mean?"
Means the author is a dog abuser of the worst magnitude.
"When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time, spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth and walk away. The dog won't be too thrilled with this but just ignore him and continue your normal behavior."
You think HURTING your dog is NORMAL BEHAVIOR?
--Mike Dufort author of the zero selling book "Courteous Canines"
You think HOWER pal mikey is playin with a full deck?
Yeah. When I preload my dog's mouth with bitter apple, suppose I don't get used to being stupid and cruel, mikey?
Then HOWE do I train my dog if I can't HURT it?
"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder, Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side, Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sionnach.
Oh, THANKS, sinofabitch...
And from terri willis, Psychoclown wrote: "Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro manure."
"Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply," lying frosty dahl, ethical breeder, expert trainer.
You think a EXXXPERT trainer got to BEAT a HUNTIN dog to MAKE IT HUNT?
"Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl, discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.
Perhaps the mom dog didn't want her babies HURT all their lives like HOWE HOWER dog lovers PREFER to HURT THEIR DOGS?
"John ran out, grabbed Blackie by the collar, and gave the dog two or three medium whacks on the rump with a training stick while holding him partially off the ground. John then told Blackie to sit, ran back to the line and cast him back to the dummies."
The Puppy Wizard sez a mom dog eatin her babies to SAVE THEM from a fate like that, is COMMENDABLE.
We're gonna teach folks THAT AIN'T NORMAL...
terri willis, Psychoclown wrote: "Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro manure."
Sez on our FAQ'S pages at K9 Web you should knee the dog in the chest, step on its toes, throw him down by his ears and climb all over it like a raped ape growling into his throat and bite IT on his ears, or leash pop it on a pronged spiked pinch choke collar or pop him in the snout with the heel of your palm.
> > dfrntdrums@aol.comMURK-OFF (Leah) wrote in message news:<20020610173326.01953.00000597@mb-fx.aol.com>...
> > > >"brianev" brianev@attbi.com wrote: > > > > I ENJOYED reading your book, and [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > killfiled and therefore don't even read his posts, > let alone respond to them. > Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> > When you compare using sound and > > praise to solve a problem with using > > shock collars, hanging, and punishment > > how can you criticize the use of sound?
> There's nothing more to be said, then. > You've made up your mind.
> But you've impressed me by mentioning > that you're a professor with 30 years of > experience.
> So, can you cite some examples of > people recommending "shock collars, > hanging, and punishment"?
BWWWAWHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
> -- > --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
You think matty's playin with a full goddamned deck?
matty's NOT a liar and dog abuser.
Isn't that true, Marilyn?
Of course not, but THIS IS:
"Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap," professora gingold.
> >Di,
> I don't believe you mentioned a particular > kind of training. If you are interested in > training retrieval behavior than do > consider our own Amy Dahl's:
> The 10-Minute Retriever : How to Make a > Well-Mannered, Obedient and > Enthusiastic Gun Dog in 10 Minutes a > Day by John I. Dahl, Amy Dahl
You failed to mention your pals the dahls are proven liars and dog abusers, professor "SCRUFF SHAKE:"
"I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A Dog I Do Not Believe There Is A Single Circumstance Ever, Where Slapping A Dog Is Anything But Destructive,"
LUCKY thing CHIN CHUCK absolutely don't mean slap the goddamned dog, we'd look like a conspiracy of LIARS and DOG abusers if CHIN CHUCK DID mean SLAP the dog.
"I don't see why anyone would want to choke or beat a dog, or how any trainer could possibly get a good working dog by making them unhapper, fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying frosty dahl.
DOES THAT SOUND LIKE THE TRUTH?
> just $17.95 at Amazon.com.
> (Also, it is best to killfile posts from the > few regulars here who are either ill- > tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.) > --Marshall
Or HOWE about HOWER just plain CRUEL STUPID and ABUSIVE DOG ABUSERS, professor SCRUFF SHAKE?
amy lying frosty dahl continues:
"On the other extreme, the really hard dogs we have trained require much more frequent and heavy application of pressure (PAIN j.h.) to get the job done,
This is continued resistance to your increasing authority, and the job is not done until it is overcome
Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply"
BUT NOBODY DOES THAT HERE...
"Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch"
OR ATTACKING HIS ABUSER.
"You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell instead of your thumb even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so urgent that resisting your will fades in importance.
CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever Ready Right Hand, As it catches on, try using the stick and no ear pinch.
When the dog is digging out to beat the stick and seems totally reliable without any ear pinch, you are finished
This is continued resistance to your increasing authority, and the job is not done until it is overcome"
If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly under the chin, say "No! Hold!"
(stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps because the ear is getting tender, or the dog has decided it isn't worth it)" lying frosty dahl.
"Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap," professora gingold.
From: Marshall Dermer (dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu) In article <38CC0C43.94E2DDD1@earthlink.net> rhurwitz@earthlink.net writes:
>> -snip headers etc.
>> Yes. you're right, I really should find >> the book.. they don't have these books >> in the local pet stores I frequent, where >> do you find Koehler?
> I got a nice large print copy from > Amazon.com
>Richard
Please try Powell's Books in Portland Oregon. Their URL is:
http://www.powells.com/
Unlike Amazon.com, Powell's keeps both new and used books on its shelves. You can order books via e-email.
Koehler Method Of Dog Training by Koehler, W R Published by HOWELL BOOK HOUSE (0876056575,
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Here's some quotes and some methods right outta your koehler book professor "SCRUFF SHAKE and scream "NO!" into its face for 5 seconds:"
"The Koehler Method of Dog Training (1962). New York: Howell Book Book House(p. 52-53)."
Hanging
"First, the trainer makes certain that the collar and leash are more than adequate for any jerk or strain that the dog's most frantic actions could cause. Then he starts to work the dog deliberately and fairly to the point where the dog makes his grab.
Before the teeth have reached their target, the dog, weight permitting, is jerked from the ground.
As in coping with some of the afore-mentioned problems the dog is suspended in mid-air.
However, to let the biting dog recover his footing while he still had the strength to renew the attack would be cruelty.
The only justifiable course is to hold him suspended until he has neither the strength nor inclination to renew the fight.
When finally it is obvious that he is physically incapable of expressing his resentment and is lowered to the ground, he will probably stagger loop-legged for a few steps, vomit once or twice, and roll over on his side.
The sight of a dog lying, thick-tongued, on his side, is not pleasant, but do not let it alarm you
THE REAL "HOOD"
"If your dog is a real "hood" who would regard the foregoing types of protest as "kid stuff" and would express his resentment of your efforts by biting, your problem is difficult -- and pressing.
"Professional trainers often get these extreme problems. Nearly always the "protest biter" is the handiwork of a person who, by avoiding situations that the dog might resent, has nurtured the seeds of rebellion and then cultivated the resultant growth with under correction.
When these people reap their inevitable and oftentimes painful harvest, they are ready to avail themselves of "the cruel trainer" whose advice they may have once rejected because it was incompatible with the sugary droolings of mealy- mouthed columnists, breed-ring biddies, and dog psychologists who, by the broken skins and broken hearts their misinformation causes, can be proven guilty of the greatest act of cruelty to animals since the dawn of time.
"With more genuine compassion for the biting dog than would ever be demonstrated by those who are "too kind" to make a correction and certainly with more disregard for his safety, the professional trainer morally feels obligated to perform a "major operation."
"Since we are presently concerned with the dog that bites in resentment of the demands of training, we will set our example in that situation. (In a later chapter we will deal with the with the much easier problem of the dog that bites someone other than his master."
Are we havin FUN yet?
Got a lite, professor SCRUFF SHAKE?
The Puppy Wizard. <} : ~ ) >
> This message is posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior (r.p.d.b.) regularly and > occasionally to other newsgroups including alt.animals.dog, [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > absolutely have to jump in on something that's been crossposted to unrelated > groups? Erase the extraneous ones when you answer. Josh - 15 Aug 2003 22:14 GMT If you absolutely must respond to this bullshit, then don't crosspost and trim it. If you'd rather not end up in a lot of killfiles, I'd suggest you just ignore it in the first place.
The Puppy Wizard - 15 Aug 2003 23:51 GMT HOWEDY josh,
> If you absolutely must respond to this bullshit, then don't crosspost and > trim it. If you'd rather not end up in a lot of killfiles, I'd suggest you > just ignore it in the first place. Follow your own advice, josh. Don't forget to put NINNYBOY in the subject header and snip crossposts and trim pertinent text like HOWE ed w of PET LOSS dot COIN and professor SCRUFF SHAKE recommend, to AVOID EMBARRASSMENT:
From: Josh (eternalNOTstudent@mindspring.com) Subject: Re: To The Puppy Wizard Date: 2003-08-08 04:10:58 PST
> I guess from now on if I have a behavioral question I will stay in the
> behavior group which I just subbed to yesterday It's really not necessary for you to limit yourself. Just be careful when it comes to trolls. You seem to have caught on pretty quick to the fact that messing around with Jerry and his sock puppets is not a good idea. If you absolutely must respond to his posts, then be damn careful that you aren't crossposting to a bazillion groups, and nobody will care. If you just want advice, ignore him, or post in a group he doesn't seem to read much (he usually just cross-posts here, so this group wouldn't be a bad one).
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