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Sammy - No More Sixpacks!!!

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RobZip - 22 Aug 2004 10:07 GMT
Sammy finally has no more concerns with those pesky ovaries. The local
animal rescue group sponsored a spay day for cats this past Friday and I got
Sammy done for a mere $20. We also took the recently abandoned female, Hobo,
that was taken in by my neighbor to get fixed. When I told her new owner
about the program he was quite happy to give me the money up front and told
me to swing by and get her when I was ready to go.

I dropped them off Friday morning and made arrangements for my wife to pick
them up that afternoon at release time. Both are home and doing well. I
started my new job Friday and was unable to be there when they were
released. Got home Saturday afternoon after wrapping up the week for the
job. Sam was getting around normally, eating well, not bothering her
sutures - generally okay. Of course the remaining 4 kittens were quite happy
to see me too. I dozed off on the couch earlier and awoke to find two of
them curled up on my lap, one stuffed in beside me, and one curled up at my
feet.

The local animal shelter continues to be a huge pain in the a.s - not to be
confused with the rescue group that sponsored the spay day. I find that the
current director has only been on the job about 2 months, and has
practically no previous experience in any sort of animal care facility.
Their current policies are attempting to adopt out any and all cats that
come into the shelter without regard for their health or suitability for
placement. Now that they are full up, there is a waiting list for people
bringing in strays, etc. The result is many cats being dumped all over the
area.

The owner of the rescue organization was previously the director of the
shelter in question and stays in touch with some of her former employees
there. She says there are a few known instances of different people bringing
in the same abandoned cat for placement over a period of weeks. This pretty
well confirms for me that people being told of a waiting list are simply
dumping the animal in another area where others find it and also attempt
placement through the shelter. Those people are in turn dumping the animal
somewhere else when confronted with the waiting list. Meanwhile, the shelter
is full of cats. At one point a large share of the population there was
ill - two of the holding cage rooms and one of the colony rooms were full of
cats with some sort of respiratory illness.

I suppose in a perfect world, all animal shelters would be no kill. Faced
with a huge surplus cat population inthis area, I don't see the current
policies as a solution. The animals abandoned continue to cause problems all
over rthe area, property damage, fighting with and injuring resident animals
where they are dumped and of course - continuing to procreate as they go.

I had an invasion by a large semi-feral tom the other night. He was
attracted by the two females here awaiting their spay appointment. He had
attempted fighting with Sammy through the back door screen and was driven
away the first night. Next night this old guy became aware of the kittens
inside and was intent on killing them. He attempted to claw his way in
through the screen and later jumped up on the living room window screen - a
full 4 feet off the ground. I was alerted by all the snarling and commotion.
This old tom was trying to get at one of the kittens who was laying in the
window. With the local shelter no longer taking cats in and the rescue
shelter being full up too, what do you reckon my alternative was? I could
trap and cage him easy enough - then what? He was dealt with - unpleasant as
it may have been. Sorry to have to do things that way but what the hell ya
gonna do? Animal control here only deals with dogs. There are no other
alternatives for a creature like this.
MacCandace - 22 Aug 2004 22:31 GMT
<< I could
trap and cage him easy enough - then what? He was dealt with - unpleasant as
it may have been. Sorry to have to do things that way but what the hell ya
gonna do? >>

I think I'm dense, what did you do with him?  Is he dead?  How would you do
that? Or are you saying you dumped him somewhere?

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Mary - 22 Aug 2004 22:53 GMT
> I had an invasion by a large semi-feral tom the other night. He was
attracted by the two females here awaiting their spay appointment. He had
attempted fighting with Sammy through the back door screen and was driven
away the first night. ...With the local shelter no longer taking cats in and
the rescue shelter being full up too, what do you reckon my alternative was?
I could trap and cage him easy enough - then what? He was dealt with -
unpleasant as it may have been.

God damn it, Rob, you had better be trolling.
Cathy Friedmann - 22 Aug 2004 23:43 GMT
> I had an invasion by a large semi-feral tom the other night. He was
> attracted by the two females here awaiting their spay appointment. He had
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> gonna do? Animal control here only deals with dogs. There are no other
> alternatives for a creature like this.

Ummm... are you saying you _killed_ him?!  How about shutting the windows &
door instead, for starters?!!!!!!

Cathy
RobZip - 23 Aug 2004 14:29 GMT
> Ummm... are you saying you _killed_ him?!  How about shutting the windows &
> door instead, for starters?!!!!!!

Screw that... I LIVE HERE, not some feral beast. I'm not about to modify the
way my family lives and hunker down because some stray wants to spray all
over the place and try to tear his way in through every door and window he
can find to kill MY animals. The safety, comfort, and use of my residence is
committed to the welfare of those inside - human as well as animal. Closing
everything up still would not stop the jumping on and destruction of my
screens. He tried it on a few windows that were closed too. I'm not talking
a bout a few claw marks either - he was trying to get in. There are large
gaping tears in all of them. Right now I have 4 screens that need to be
re-screened - roughly $100 damage.

A low calibre shot to the cerebellum cut his motors and rendered him dead
immediately. IF there were an alterantive, a place to take him, that would
have been done. But we have a humane society here that feels it better to
let every cat in the place suffer from respiratory problems, and at the same
time encourage dumping of animals because they aren't taking any in. These
feral strays have been an issue in the past and the situation will only get
worse. The local rescue group is full up too, leaving me exactly what for an
alternative? The safety of my family, my animals, and my property rights
come ahead of the whims of a violent and destructive animal. That's the way
it is.

I don't know how it is in your pollyanna world, but this is farm country.
People around here routinely eliminate animals that threaten farm creatures,
domestic creatures, or people. It doesn't matter if it's a stray dog or cat
trying to kill the chickens, a possum or coon raiding nests, or coyotes
going after sheep - if it screws around with your safety or the safety of
your household. it's fair game. I've always given the cats more
consideration - taking them to either the shelter or the rescue group. Now
that those alternatives are not available, this is what happens.

The situation will only get worse. I've polled a number of pet stores. All
of them report finding dumped animals at their front door at least once a
week. Shopping centers seem to be another favorite spot for people to dump
kittens and puppies. It happens several times a month at all of the places I
inquired. I'm working right now to get the Dept.of Agriculture involved as
well as local media and try to force some sort of resolution to this
situation with the animal shelter. I have an appointment later this morning
to talk with a TV reporter for possible investigative action.

The animal shelter has been a real horror show over the past year or two.
It's time for this crap to end. There is no possibility of killing your way
out of an overpopulation problem but forcing people to dump unwanted animals
is not the answer either.
zuzu22@webtv.net - 23 Aug 2004 15:14 GMT
Rob wrote:

>I'm not about to modify the way my
>family lives and hunker down because
>some stray wants to spray all over the
>place and try to tear his way in through
>every door and window he can find to kill
>MY animals.

Killing this poor cat was wrong. The aggression was obviously hormonal,
and his spraying and trying to get into your house was caused by you
having an intact female inside. Do a little research on TNR. Getting him
neutered would have solved both the spraying and aggression problems. He
in all likelihood would have turned into a nice cat. Releasing him, then
continuing to feed him would have also probably resulted in him claiming
the area as his territory and caused him to run other strays off of the
property. Everybody would have won.  

You had a great resource right here full of people that could have
helped you find a humane solution, but instead you murdered the cat. You
can bluster your lame justifications all you want, and there's nothing
we can do but be disgusted at your unnecessary cruelty, but that doesn't
mean you'll get off scott-free.

Karma is a bitch, and when things come back around to inflict great
misery on you, which you certainly deserve, take a moment and remember
the cruel act that brought disaster to your door.

Megan

                                   
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RobZip - 23 Aug 2004 17:54 GMT
> Killing this poor cat was wrong. The aggression was obviously hormonal,
> and his spraying and trying to get into your house was caused by you
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> the area as his territory and caused him to run other strays off of the
> property. Everybody would have won.

I'm well aware of  it's hormonal drives. The fact that the animal is a
threat to the residents of my household is all I really needed to consider.
This occured last Thursday night. Friday I started back out on a road job
that will now have me gone from Tuesday through Saturday. And your
suggestion is what? That I'm supposed to just walk off and leave my family
and my animals to the whims of this total stranger's hormonal aggression? I
think NOT!!! It's not as thjough I don't have my sympathies in these
matters. The female that was abandoned here a few weeks ago I was able to
get homed with a neighbor. That one and mine were both spayed this past
Friday. The wife picked them up that afternoon. The two small groups that
were doing TNR in this area are no longer operating. They got part of their
funding and supplies through the local humane society shelter. The new
director ceased all funding to their operation as part of his cost cutting
measures about 3 months ago.

> You had a great resource right here full of people that could have
> helped you find a humane solution, but instead you murdered the cat. You
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> misery on you, which you certainly deserve, take a moment and remember
> the cruel act that brought disaster to your door.

Call it lame justifications all you want.... Doesn't change what was going
on here. The species of the animal really makes little difference in this
situation. It was an aggressor with intent and capability to cause harm and
damage and had demonstrated both. I do NOT have the space or time to attempt
socializing nor the resources to neuter everything that wanders into the
area. The resources that could have been available are no longer so this -
distasteful as you may find it - is how it is. Don't think for a minute that
I'm happy about it either, I'm not. That's why my entire morning has been
spent with the Dept. of Agriculture, Animal Control, County Commisioners and
a local TV station. I'm intent on seeing the local shelter policies changed.
BTW - Screw your Karma,  mmmkay?
Mary - 23 Aug 2004 19:18 GMT
"RobZip" <RobZip@takethisout.eudora.com> wrote > I'm well aware of  it's
hormonal drives. The fact that the animal is a threat to the residents of my
household is all I really needed to consider.

There are some situations in which you are wrong in
so many ways and on such a fundamental level that
discussion is really a moot point. Watch your back, because what you have
done is coming back on you. The beauty of it is, neither I nor anyone else
has to even lift a finger. It's coming for you, for your wife, maybe for
your son. And when it gets there, you're such an idiot that you will
probably wonder "why me." lol
RobZip - 23 Aug 2004 19:41 GMT
>The beauty of it is, neither I nor anyone else
> has to even lift a finger. It's coming for you, for your wife, maybe for
> your son.

And what pray tell are you babbling about? Witchcraft? Puhleezzz..... Such
an empty and pointless threat from one who purports to have a mind. You
should know better.
Mary - 23 Aug 2004 20:17 GMT
> >The beauty of it is, neither I nor anyone else
> > has to even lift a finger. It's coming for you, for your wife, maybe for
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> an empty and pointless threat from one who purports to have a mind. You
> should know better.

It's not a threat. It's the way the world works. What goes around comes
around. You know that.
RobZip - 23 Aug 2004 20:55 GMT
> It's not a threat. It's the way the world works. What goes around comes
> around. You know that.

Well then, perhaps it will. Looking at the condition the old guy was in, I
did him a favor.
Mary - 23 Aug 2004 21:18 GMT
> > It's not a threat. It's the way the world works. What goes around comes
around. You know that.

> Well then, perhaps it will. Looking at the condition the old guy was in, I
did him a favor.

What you did is called "dick for brains." Your testosterone flooded the
wrong head and you saw the cat as an intruder on your turf. The telling
phrase was when you puffed up over the suggestion that you CLOSE THE GD DOOR
and said "I'm not about to modify the way my
>family lives and hunker down because some stray ..."

A clue for you: somebody cared about that cat. [If nobody else, *I* do.] You
did the wrong thing. Copernicus called and left you a message, Rambo. You
are not the center of the blinking universe. Now when someone you love gets
in the way of someone who does not love them, understand that what happens
is a practice that you perpetuate. Dick for brains.
Cathy Friedmann - 23 Aug 2004 22:43 GMT
> > It's not a threat. It's the way the world works. What goes around comes
> > around. You know that.
>
> Well then, perhaps it will. Looking at the condition the old guy was in, I
> did him a favor.

But, if he had enough energy to try to get in, in the way you described, he
must've been in some degree of health!

Cathy
RobZip - 24 Aug 2004 00:54 GMT
> But, if he had enough energy to try to get in, in the way you described, he
> must've been in some degree of health!

You could see that he wasn't doing well nutritionally, lack of food,
parasites, etc. His ears were pretty well tattered and lots of scars were
visible. Hell yes he had energy - doesn't automatically equate to having a
good life.
-L. : - 24 Aug 2004 07:38 GMT
> > But, if he had enough energy to try to get in, in the way you described,
>  he
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> visible. Hell yes he had energy - doesn't automatically equate to having a
> good life.

Maybe it wasn't "good" to you, but he had a life and he was entitled
to keep it, nonetheless.

-L.
mlbriggs - 23 Aug 2004 22:49 GMT
>> [quoted text muted]
>
> Well then, perhaps it will. Looking at the condition the old guy was in, I
> did him a favor.

Let us all send purrs for the old fella that he will be welcomed at the
Bridge and be content forevermore.  After all, at one time he was a lovely
little baby kitty and someone (I hope) loved him. MLB
RobZip - 24 Aug 2004 01:25 GMT
> After all, at one time he was a lovely little baby kitty

I'm sure he was. I've never seen an ugly unappealing kitten.

>and someone (I hope) loved him.

Well nobody ever loved him enough to take him in, give him a home, feed him,
and care for him. Like many others around here, he was left to excercise his
instincts and urges until he painted himself into a conflict he couldn't
win.

I still have 3 of my kittens to home out and it isn't for lack of
opportunity to do so. I'm keeping one. There have been enough interested
people to take them all but I'm not looking for just any old place to send
them. One person had a very distinct feel of habitually getting kittens,
then losing interest when the animal grew older. The others didn't seem to
feel that allowing a cat to free run was detrimental nor did they seem to
give any strong intent to have them neutered.

I'm being that particular specifically to spare any of my babies from ending
up like the old guy who was here last week. I'd like to know where it is
written that an animal lover MUST put up with any old sh.t the animal realm
dishes out. There have been numerous stories here of people enduring one
form or another of destruction of their homes, vicious behavior without
resolution towards family members, etc. And I would agree that hope of
fixing those problems shouldn't be abandoned at the first failure. However
there are some extreme cases that just aren't going to get any better. Those
would probably best be surrendered to a rescue that can make a more informed
attempt at correction. We USED to have such resources available here. Where
is it written that I should close and lock up my home, inconvenience my
family and animals and allow this creature to run amok outside dealing out
as much destruction as he sees fit? The screens aren't the major issue. he
was gonna tear those all to hell whether the windows were closed or not. The
intent to attack animal and/or human residents of my home is plain and
simple an unacceptable threat.

The rescue that does operate is currently logjammed with overflow from the
county shelter. The two TNR groups lost their funding from the county
shelter. Those like myself who WOULD have taken the feral tom to the shelter
can't because of their current policy of refusing them. I don't have the
space or resources to hang onto such an animal until I rise to the top of a
40 or 50 person waiting list. I've managed to home out a few and taken in a
few in the past couple of years. The visitor last week was so hostile and
antisocial that I really can't recall seeing one that wild and mean before.
If presented with another just like him and the same lack of alternatives,
the outcome would probably be the same. For those of you who wish the same
fate upon me for my handling of the matter, I'll wish a similar attack with
a similar lack of alternatives upon you. When the creature in question is
done shredding up your beloved animals, trashing your home, and possibly
injuring a family member of yours, I'm curious what your 20/20 hindsight
will tell you should have been done before it ever went that far.

With that I will cease participation in this group. I also will continue my
fight against the local humane society. After some of the horror show stuff
out there in the past few years they should be closed down.
Mary - 24 Aug 2004 01:43 GMT
> > After all, at one time he was a lovely little baby kitty
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Well nobody ever loved him enough to take him in, give him a home, feed
him, and care for him.

You kind of made sure of that, didn't you? And you could have been the one
to give him a little care for his last years, or at least facilitate it by
trapping him, vetting and rehoming him, even if to another feral colony.
RobZip - 24 Aug 2004 04:06 GMT
> You kind of made sure of that, didn't you? And you could have been the one
> to give him a little care for his last years, or at least facilitate it by
> trapping him, vetting and rehoming him, even if to another feral colony.

You are a bit on the dense side aren't you? What part of I was leaving the
next day on a new job out of town and will be on the road Tuesday through
Saturday do you not understand?  What part of I do not have the space or the
means to personally take on a very hostile animal at my residence do you not
understand? What part of I ran him off the night before and again the next
night before he returned with such ferocity do you not understand? What part
of local rescue full up and not interested and local shelter turning away
ALL cats and placing people on a waiting list 50 names deep do you not
understand? What part of  I have all the animals in my care at this time
that I can possibly keep - perhaps a few more already, do you not
understand? Ya know, my family's well being trumps the desire of a lunatic
wild cat to do harm. There's a f.cked up concept huh? A man's family and its
pets means more to him than the out of control urges of a stray cat...

What I did make sure of is that my animals, nicely homed and well cared for
would not be harmed by a creature who had demonstrated very persistent
intent of doing just that. I also made sure that there would be no
possibility of any of this causing harm to my son who I know would try to
protect his pets. And you think I'm just supposed to drop all that I'm
doing, ignore the start of a new job, spend money and time I don't have, and
take on a project I have no means to accomplish. I'm curious how many fluffy
little babies he killed in his days just to follow through on his hormonal
drive to create more?
Trish - 24 Aug 2004 05:33 GMT
> What I did make sure of is that my animals, nicely homed and well cared for
> would not be harmed by a creature who had demonstrated very persistent
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> little babies he killed in his days just to follow through on his hormonal
> drive to create more?

I hope your wife or kids never get accidently locked out of your house and
have to break through the screen and windows to get in... would the same
fate of eyeballing the barrel of a rifle meet them?
RobZip - 24 Aug 2004 12:01 GMT
> I hope your wife or kids

Typical facetious drivel of a sniveling c.nt....
Mary - 24 Aug 2004 14:18 GMT
> > I hope your wife or kids
>
> Typical facetious drivel of a sniveling c.nt....

And the alt.flame.n*ggers Rob comes out of
the closet!
Trish - 24 Aug 2004 23:30 GMT
Ok Jethro, now put down the gun, come out of the chest beating I AM MAN
world you've built around yourself and listen to reason.

I've been there as propably have many others on this news group.  And guess
what... I'm female.  and yes I survived...  but the difference is I engaged
a few brain cells... shocking I know but really it did only require a few
neurons to fire up and think of a solution.  And that solution was not
blasting a bullet at an animal's head.  You see I simply went to another
window and opened it a little and tossed a can in the not so immediate area
of the cat to frighten him away.  Two or three times and by gosh it worked.
Yes, I've had screens damaged but what's a few hundreds dollars compared to
a life of an animal whose only crime was doing what comes natural.  And yes
I thought of all this on my own while living a pauper's life in university.
So don't try to justify your actions by saying you didn't have the finances
of another solution.  That's just BS.  To do it is bad enough but to
actually come here and tell of it and then expect no cristicsm is just lame.

> Typical facetious drivel of a sniveling c.nt....

Nice, very nice, intelligence at its best going on there.  I'll stoop to
your level for a moment, but only a moment, any longer and I'll vomit.  I'll
take your phrase and add to it, if I'm a sniveling c*nt, well at least I
have the balls to deal with  these things in a reasonable safe manner and
not resort to an unjustified senseless death of an animal.

One more thought, and I'm being sincere, please hide your gun from your
kids, after all if daddy can shoot cats why can't I.  And if I remember your
original post correctly you have a few targets in your home.

Trish
happily honoured to be permitted to share my life with three beautiful cats
(heads intact)
Mary - 24 Aug 2004 07:22 GMT
> You are a bit on the dense side aren't you? What part of I was leaving the
next day on a new job out of town and will be on the road Tuesday through
Saturday do you not understand?

Ah, the All Powerful RobZip. I'm sorry, of COURSE I must have been mistaken
to think that anyone but YOU could take on that evil, elderly, weak-brained,
no-thumbed cat. Is your wife a little simple? So much so that she can't bait
a trap?

Bullshit. You took a gun and a harmless domesticated animal who you admit
was hungry and sick and shot him in the head. You stud you.
RobZip - 24 Aug 2004 12:03 GMT
. Is your wife a little simple? So much so that she can't bait
> a trap?

You truly are a stupid c.nt Mary... Exactly what was anyone supposed to do
with it?
Mary - 24 Aug 2004 14:19 GMT
> . Is your wife a little simple? So much so that she can't bait
> > a trap?
>
> You truly are a stupid c.nt Mary... Exactly what was anyone supposed to do
with it?

I don't buy your lame rationalizations, Rambo. You shot that cat because he
was in your way. Period.
RobZip - 24 Aug 2004 13:26 GMT
> Bullshit. You took a gun and a harmless domesticated animal who you admit
> was hungry and sick and shot him in the head. You stud you.

Bullshit indeed... The animal was not domesticated.... It was vicious and
wild. It was battleworn but not sick. Hungry or not isn't my problem -
dozens just like it probably are too around here. I just talked to the
animal control officer for the area this morning. They are legally confined
to dealing only with dogs. I described the situation to the officer in
charge. His response was that more of these ferals need to be taken 'out of
service' as he put it, and that I did nothing wrong.  He then elaborated
further saying that his office actually gets more first contact calls
regarding cats than dogs, simply because people don't realize the
restriction his office operates under.

So Mary, you just go ahead and ignore the facts - insist that I do things
that are not within my ability, paint the picture of the feral as something
he wasn't and generally just have a good old time taking liberty with the
facts. The rotten old f.ck was threatening my home and it's resident animals
and he paid dearly for it. Like I said previously, I'm not at all happy
about how it turned out. I'm likewise not happy about the conditions and
policies of the local humane society turning people with stray animals away
that created this situation to start with. They have flooded the resuce
group to the point of them being overloaded too. If EITHER of those had been
open to take this feral, I would have trapped him and done that.
Mary - 24 Aug 2004 14:17 GMT
> > Bullshit. You took a gun and a harmless domesticated animal who you
admit was hungry and sick and shot him in the head. You stud you.

> Bullshit indeed...

Is this your real last post, or are we still waiting for that?
-L. : - 24 Aug 2004 22:14 GMT
<snip>

The rotten old f.ck was threatening my home and it's resident animals
> and he paid dearly for it. Like I said previously, I'm not at all happy
> about how it turned out.

Nope.  But you sure did't hesitate to call a cat - who was just doing
what cats do - a "rotten old f.ck".   To me that's more offensive than
blowing his head off.

Next time, trap him and have him euthanized.  There is enough violence
in this world already.

I'm likewise not happy about the conditions and
> policies of the local humane society turning people with stray animals away
> that created this situation to start with. They have flooded the resuce
> group to the point of them being overloaded too. If EITHER of those had been
> open to take this feral, I would have trapped him and done that.

Do you volunteer at the local HS?  Do you send them money every month?
If not, you have no right to bitch.  Such shelters are fighting a
losing battle.  I agree they should take animals and euthanize them,
but at some point, they don't even have money for the euth solution to
do so.  So put the blame where it should be - on people who don't spay
and neuter, breeders and their ilk.  The shelters are the ones trying
to solve the problem.

-L.
Mary - 24 Aug 2004 07:31 GMT
> > You kind of made sure of that, didn't you? And you could have been the
one to give him a little care for his last years, or at least facilitate it
by trapping him, vetting and rehoming him, even if to another feral colony.

> You are a bit on the dense side aren't you? What part of I was leaving the
next day on a new job out of town and will be on the road Tuesday through
Saturday do you not understand?

I repeat:

What you did is called "dick for brains." Your testosterone flooded the
wrong head and you saw the cat as an intruder on your turf. The telling
phrase was when you puffed up over the suggestion that you CLOSE THE GD DOOR
and said "I'm not about to modify the way my
>family lives and hunker down because some stray ..."

A clue for you: somebody cared about that cat. [If nobody else, *I* do.] You
did the wrong thing. Copernicus called and left you a message, Rambo. You
are not the center of the blinking universe. Now when someone you love gets
in the way of someone who does not love them, understand that what happens
is a practice that you perpetuate. Dick for brains.
Cheryl - 24 Aug 2004 02:02 GMT
In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.health+behav", "RobZip"
2004:

> With that I will cease participation in this group. I also will
> continue my fight against the local humane society. After some
> of the horror show stuff out there in the past few years they
> should be closed down.

I normally don't reply to any of your posts (hell, I don't even read
most of them) because your first several made me decide I don't like
you. Even if you felt you had to take matters in to your own hands
WRT this tom, you should have never posted it in detail. You should
have known you'd be torn to bits (verbally).

I'm very sad for the poor tom. It isn't his fault. None of it. He
deserved much better from someone who claims he rescues cats. TNR. I
hope you remember this experience in the future.

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MacCandace - 24 Aug 2004 03:22 GMT
<< I normally don't reply to any of your posts (hell, I don't even read
most of them) because your first several made me decide I don't like
you. Even if you felt you had to take matters in to your own hands
WRT this tom, you should have never posted it in detail. >>

Sh!t, I'm kinda bummed because even though Rob came in here seeming like a
jerk, a lot of his posts about Sammy, Cassie, and the baby kitties seemed to
show a caring (and humorous) side so I'm sorry that he did this to the poor
feral tom and then wrote about it here.  What a sad situation for the tom.  It
just isn't fair that some cats get loving homes and others never  even know
kindness in their lives.  This is hardly a new revelation for me...or any of
you...but it sometimes just strikes one with such force that you have to deal
with that sadness all over again.  I think MLB said something very nice.  We
should pray for the little guy now, that he knows love at the RB, and that he
was dealt an unfair hand in life but hopefully is now reaping his rewards.
Sorry, old tom.

Candace
(take the litter out before replying by e-mail)

See my cats:
http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

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than human."  (Loren Eisely)
-L. : - 24 Aug 2004 07:36 GMT
> > Killing this poor cat was wrong. The aggression was obviously hormonal,
> > and his spraying and trying to get into your house was caused by you
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> Friday. The wife picked them up that afternoon. The two small groups that
> were doing TNR in this area are no longer operating.

You could have TNR the cat yourself.  Or sprayed him with a hose.
After a couple of rounds with the hose he is unlikely to come back any
time soon.

Either way, admitting you offed a cat in a group of animal lovers
wasn't the smartest thing to do.  You are a prime example of why I
support gun bans - you resorted to the use of it when it was
completely unnecessary.

-L.
RobZip - 24 Aug 2004 12:09 GMT
> You could have TNR the cat yourself.  Or sprayed him with a hose.
> After a couple of rounds with the hose he is unlikely to come back any
> time soon.

Well it did anyway despite that and stronger measures taken earlier that
night and the night before.

And I repeat for the benefit of those too dense to grasp it the first time -
I have not the time, resources, facility or anything else required at this
time to take on such a project. I do however have the immediate welfare of
those within my home to consider. In case you haven't paid much attention,
this sort of thing is exactly what non cat people complain about in their
efforts to get cats classified as domestic animals - so animal control can
have the authority to deal with them.
Cathy Friedmann - 23 Aug 2004 15:59 GMT
> > Ummm... are you saying you _killed_ him?!  How about shutting the windows
> &
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> gaping tears in all of them. Right now I have 4 screens that need to be
> re-screened - roughly $100 damage.

Whoop-te-do.

> A low calibre shot to the cerebellum cut his motors and rendered him dead
> immediately. IF there were an alterantive, a place to take him, that would
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> I don't know how it is in your pollyanna world, but this is farm country.

My "pollyannna world" is in a residential section of a city.  My sister's
"pollyanna world" is out in the boonies, next to a farm.  She has feral cats
around, all too frequently, which have litters of kittens. She's trapped &
spayed momma cats - either then adopting or releasing them, & trapped &
socialized the kittens before adopting them out.  They *did* have a feral
tom, *in their house* one night, creating a ruckus.  He ripped a screen to
get in.  However, they **did not** shoot him - just chased him back out.
Another feral tom they adopted & neutered.

Cathy

> People around here routinely eliminate animals that threaten farm creatures,
> domestic creatures, or people. It doesn't matter if it's a stray dog or cat
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> out of an overpopulation problem but forcing people to dump unwanted animals
> is not the answer either.
 
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