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Update on stray adoption. I think it's time to let Henry go

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Brian Link - 21 Aug 2004 02:02 GMT
I guess I'm hoping someone will talk me out of it..

It's been almost three months now, and given the chance, Henry tears
off after our little bengal, Louis. Louis is pretty beat up after the
last attack, where they ended up under a bed and it took us a few
moments to separate.

What options do I have? I guess I should start putting posters up
seeing if anyone would like to adopt him. I'm a bit suspicious of the
"no-kill" shelters..

Bah. Oh well, Henry might not have survived this long outdoors.

Don't you wish sometimes you could just sit down and have a sensible
conversation with a cat?

Oh well

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MacCandace - 21 Aug 2004 09:11 GMT
<< I guess I'm hoping someone will talk me out of it.. >>

I'll try to talk you out of it...mostly because I'm in the same situation you
are, I guess, although it's been "only" 7 weeks here.  I contemplated returning
Marbles to his no-kill rescue for awhile but I just couldn't stand the thought
of him being at someone else's home and them maybe not being as nice to him as
we are.  He's already lost one home.  What if he goes to someone who is mean to
him?  He's such a sweet kitty to us, I just couldn't stand it.  Even if we have
to keep him separated forever, we are going to keep him.

I just worry about cats who are passed around...it seems like once a cat starts
to be passed around that that is how their life usually goes until something
icky happens to them.  I have thought that if I had a really good friend who
wanted a cat and who I could trust to be nice to him that I might part with him
but, although I have a lot o really good friends, none of them want a cat.  Do
you have someone you know who could take him?

Have you tried medication?

Candace
(take the litter out before replying by e-mail)

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than human."  (Loren Eisely)
Cat Protector - 21 Aug 2004 09:42 GMT
I have to wonder how the OP introduced the two cats? If he just dumped them
in a room and expected everything to be perfect right off the bat, I can see
why they might not get along. Introducing cats is a slow process sometimes.

As for the no-kill shelters, some of them are terrific and really work hard
to get felines adopted. When I rescued Icarus I was going to try and get him
placed. Of course many of the rescues were full. One rescue worker even told
me that the only way they would take him is if he got vet checked. Another
said she'd take him if nobody else would but Icarus then attached himself to
me and wouldn't let go so I didn't think it fair for him to go from one
issue of abandonment to another where he was just dumped in a shelter. When
I first found him he actually followed me. I have not seen this in any cat
where they initially did that. Jade did it when she came to live here but
that was after a couple of weeks.

Just like you I had concerns that if I got him to a shelter if he'd even be
happy or end up in a better home. The last cat I rescued before Icarus
actually did get a good home. I was told the people loved him. As for the
passing the cat to a good friend theory, most of the time that will blow up
in your face because they will hesitate or say no. In fact if your friends
find a cat and they are not cat people, they'll usually ask the one who has
one or two cats if they want another. I myself didn't count on three cats
but they end up winning you over. Icarus at least has a better life now and
he is safe.

> << I guess I'm hoping someone will talk me out of it.. >>
>
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> "One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other
> than human."  (Loren Eisely)
Cathy Friedmann - 21 Aug 2004 16:57 GMT
> << I guess I'm hoping someone will talk me out of it.. >>
>
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> him?  He's such a sweet kitty to us, I just couldn't stand it.  Even if we have
> to keep him separated forever, we are going to keep him.

I really don't think you'll have to keep him separated forever; it's just
going to take a long time.  If Demelza eventually could accept (well, sort
of accept!) Herrie, yours will eventually work out, too.   She was a *mess*
when Herrie was first let out into the house during the daytime: if she came
anywhere near him, she'd pant like crazy, huddled up on a windowsill for
example - totally freaked.  She was so upset, she lost weight for a few
months.  She's now at her all-time high (a whopping 8? lb. - she's petite)
though, & will lie down next to him to watch the squirrels out the front
door, eats next to him...

Cathy
teri - 22 Aug 2004 03:19 GMT
>I guess I'm hoping someone will talk me out of it..
>
>It's been almost three months now, and given the chance, Henry tears
>off after our little bengal, Louis. Louis is pretty beat up after the
>last attack, where they ended up under a bed and it took us a few
>moments to separate.
Been there.  At three months it was still constant stress in our house
with Seamus attacking Jewel.   I honestly can't tell you when things
started to settle down, but it was more than 6 months I know that.  He
still has his moments, and this spring got bad again, but extreme
diligence with the squirt gun attacks on him did the trick in two
weeks.  I do keep a baby gate on the steps so they are seperate when I
am at work, but that is also because Jewel picks at her food all day,
while Seamus eats everything in sight.  
I hope they can find peace, I remember your pictures and they look
like a great family.  I gave a lot of speeches about the meaning of
family, respecting your sister, can't we all just get along... not
sure how helpful it was in the long run.
Teri
-L. : - 22 Aug 2004 07:44 GMT
> I guess I'm hoping someone will talk me out of it..
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>
> BLink

My cats have fought for 13 years.  They tolerate each other most of
the time.  Sometimes you can't make them get along.

-L.
Karen Chuplis - 22 Aug 2004 16:02 GMT
>> I guess I'm hoping someone will talk me out of it..
>>
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>
> -L.

Pearl got into trouble last night for the first time in a long time when she
hissed and pawed at Grant who was carefully walking by her a couple of feet
away, purposely avoiding coming closer. I put her in the bedroom and she
*knew* I was mad. Usually she tries knocking at the door right away but she
didn't even peep. I let her out a few minutes later and she was perfectly
behaved the rest of the night.
MacCandace - 22 Aug 2004 22:54 GMT
<< Usually she tries knocking at the door right away but she
didn't even peep. I let her out a few minutes later and she was perfectly
behaved the rest of the night. >>

I just had an incident here, too.  After the last week of letting Marbles spend
an hour out with the other 2, carefully watching him, it seemed as though he
had learned not to chase or stalk.  The other 2 still hide when he's out but
watch him closely.  He had been going up to them and just looking at them and
walking away whereas before he would get all fluffed up and start to advance on
them.  I had been rewarding everyone after the nightly visits and feeling that
some slight progress had been made.

Wrong!  Today he was out, acting nicely, had looked at both of them and then
gone about his business so I went back in the office, leaving them unattended
for just a few minutes.  Bam!  Crash!!!!!!  Shriek!!!! Hissssssss!  The
pounding footsteps of small, running beasts in my direction.  It was Abbey,
shrieking, being hotly pursued by Marbles.  She dashed under this rack of
clothes I have in the hall and he starts to head in after her.  Now he's all
fluffed up again.  I grabbed him and tossed him in the bathroom for a timeout.
Poor Abbey dashed out from under the clothes and went back to her original
hiding place where she remains.

I know what precipitated the incident.  The ironing board was up in the family
room, as it usually is, since I can never seem to iron more than one article of
clothing at a time.  The cats love to lay on it anyway.  It was knocked down
with all the clothes that had been hanging on the side of it strewn all over
the floor.  I assume Marbles was up there and knocked it down, as sometimes
happens.  It fell against a table in the corner which is what Abbey had been
hiding under, watching him.  I imagine she thought Marbles did it on purpose
and she dashed out in fear.  Marbles cannot resist a running cat and he was
probably freaked out from the clatter, too, so he did what seems to come
naturally to him...and went after her.  So now we've had yet another setback
and will have to start from ground zero once again.  She's horrified, Scottie
came out to watch the festivities and also got all fluffed up and is currently
back in hiding.  Marbles is now back in his room after the timeout.   He is
being very quiet which is unusual for him.  I know, absolutely, that he
understands he is not to chase the other cats but I suppose he just couldn't
resist this time.  Sigh...

I guess I can't leave them unattended for even a second even if all seems okay.
Now I leave on vacation in 4 days for a week leaving Tony alone with the
monsters.  I'm sure he will leve them out unattended more than I do...although
not whiel he's at work or asleep, I don't think, but I can't really control
what he does so it's kind of out of my hands.  I could come home to a worse
situation, a better situation, or the same situation.

Candace
(take the litter out before replying by e-mail)

See my cats:
http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

"One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other
than human."  (Loren Eisely)
Cheryl - 22 Aug 2004 23:09 GMT
In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.health+behav",
on 22 Aug 2004:

> I guess I can't leave them unattended for even a second even if
> all seems okay.
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> my hands.  I could come home to a worse situation, a better
> situation, or the same situation.

Candace, but you DID have some success!  Even if there is regression
afterwards, what happened with them even for a short time was
PROgression!  :)  

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Cheryl

Cathy Friedmann - 22 Aug 2004 23:27 GMT
> In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.health+behav",
> on 22 Aug 2004:
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> afterwards, what happened with them even for a short time was
> PROgression!  :)

Yes, I agree.  And it's *much* sooner than I experienced w/ Herrie &
Demelza/Debbie.

Herrie wasn't a pursuer at all, until maybe a year after he had free reign
of the house.  By which point he realized that if he so much as looked at
Demelza in a funny way, she'd start shrieking her head off.  (And, boy, that
little cat can *shriek*!)  So... he learned to chase her around & ambush
her - just for funsies, I assume.

Occasionally - a few times/week, there's still an ambush or 'chase Demelza
until she seeks refuge under a dresser' routine.  But Demelza no longer
remains freaked about it, & Herrie... well, he never was the least bit
upset, at all.  Mr. Happy-Go-Lucky.

The whole thing (the scenario here, more than at your house) reminds me of
siblings, where one antagonizes the other just for entertainment value, &
the sibling on the receiving end will go shrieking to a parent, yelling
"S/he's "x"-ing me!!!"  In the meantime the aggressor sibling isn't the
least bit fazed - except s/he got the reaction s/he set out to accomplish, &
happily wanders off again.

Cathy
Brian Link - 23 Aug 2004 01:33 GMT
>> In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.health+behav",
>> on 22 Aug 2004:
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>
>Cathy

I often think Henry is an Irish cat - enjoying getting into fights
just for the fun of it. =)

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