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kelly - 16 Jul 2004 03:11 GMT
If you buy dog or cat food from the Iams Pet Food Company, you need to
visit a website iamscruelty.com.
Apparently, Iams keeps cats and dogs to TEST their foods on before it
goes to market. I had no idea pet food manufacturers used animals to
make a better food - but some do! Iams keeps cats and dogs in cages to
take blood, stool, urine and even muscle tissue samples as they
conduct nutritional testing. I was extremely upet to learn this and
immediately researched pet food companies that do not test on animals
- and there are a lot of them! My puppies now eat Wellness food and
they love it! No animal testing on this stuff!

Anyone who loves cats and dogs MUST visit iamscruelty.com and send an
email to Iams and tell them to stop testing on poor kitties and
puppies!!!
Jon C - 16 Jul 2004 04:44 GMT
> If you buy dog or cat food from the Iams Pet Food Company, you need to
> visit a website iamscruelty.com.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> - and there are a lot of them! My puppies now eat Wellness food and
> they love it! No animal testing on this stuff!

As I posted in the other newsgroup, Wellness does testing of all of their
foods on animals, including taking multiple blood samples.

Anything less is irresponsible, and you should quit your drivel.
PawsForThought - 16 Jul 2004 13:48 GMT
>From: "Jon C" news@jonnythan.com

>> If you buy dog or cat food from the Iams Pet Food Company, you need to
>> visit a website iamscruelty.com.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>Anything less is irresponsible, and you should quit your drivel.

I believe Wellness does not do feeding trials the way IAMS does.  Also, IAMS is
owned by Proctor and Gamble which does animal vivasection.  You can read more
here:

"In one experiment, 24 young dogs had their right kidneys removed and the left
partly damaged to investigate how protein affects dogs with kidney failure.
Eight dogs were killed to analyse the kidney tissue. Dogs which became sick
were not treated because it would have undermined the test results.

"In another test, the stomachs of 28 cats were exposed so scientists could
analyse the effects of feeding them fibre. The animals were operated on for at
least two hours and then killed.

"The research team sterilised 24 female cats, which were then over-fed until
they became obese. They were then starved on a crash diet and when they had
lost at least 30 per cent of their weight their livers were examined to
investigate the link between weight loss and liver disease. The company also
sponsored research in which 14 husky puppies were repeatedly injected with live
virus vaccines and allergy-causing proteins for the first 12 weeks of their
lives. They developed permanent illnesses in the test, which was designed to
see how severely allergic they could become.

"Twelve huskies, 12 poodles and 12 labradors were regularly given chest wounds
to see if diet could affect fur regrowth. This was justified in the study on
the grounds that "dogs are enjoyable to touch and look at... Dogs with coat
problems are simply not handled as much."

http://www.uncaged.co.uk/iams.htm

Lauren

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Jon C - 16 Jul 2004 17:17 GMT
Not that you don't have valid points, but all of those sound like
responsible research practices to me.  Considering how common some of these
problems are, and the amount of baseless conjecture there is about the
topics being studied, I can't find fault with these.  Without research
exactly as described here, the science of animal nutrition isn't going
anywhere.

I don't know if Wellness does feeding trials the way IAMS does, but Wellness
does do feeding trials, which include taking multiple blood samples.  I've
seen the AAFCO feeding trials bashed on here and elsewhere because they're
so easy and not even remotely comprehensive.  It sounds like IAMS' feeding
tests are much more comprehensive and look at a far larger set of variables.
This is a bad thing?

Jon

> I believe Wellness does not do feeding trials the way IAMS does.  Also, IAMS is
> owned by Proctor and Gamble which does animal vivasection.  You can read more
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
> http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
> Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
PawsForThought - 16 Jul 2004 18:01 GMT
>From: "Jon C" news@jonnythan.com

>> I believe Wellness does not do feeding trials the way IAMS does.  Also,
>IAMS is
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
>>
>> Lauren

>Not that you don't have valid points, but all of those sound like
>responsible research practices to me.  Considering how common some of these
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>Jon

Yes, IMO if they have to torture and abuse animals to do it.  But I'm sure it's
much cheaper for these companies to do their testing this way rather than
housing animals in a humane manner and feeding for extended periods of time for
testing purposes, instead of the AAFCO mandated 8 week (?) trials, and also the
procedures described in my post above.

Lauren
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GAUBSTER2 - 18 Jul 2004 05:17 GMT
>From: darnit7@aol.comnolitter  (PawsForThought)

> It sounds like IAMS' feeding
>>tests are much more comprehensive and look at a far larger set of variables.
>>This is a bad thing?
>>
>>Jon

>Yes, IMO if they have to torture and abuse animals to do it.  But I'm sure
>it's
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>the
>procedures described in my post above.

Lauren, who exactly is "abusing" animals?  IAMS?  You may have a point (at
times) against them.  However, the vast majority of companies don't "abuse"
animals.  Purina, Hill's, Royal Canin, etc.???  Are you insinuating that those
companies are "abusive"?  Please state specifically who you are concerned
about?
kaeli - 16 Jul 2004 19:00 GMT
> Not that you don't have valid points, but all of those sound like
> responsible research practices to me.  Considering how common some of these
> problems are, and the amount of baseless conjecture there is about the
> topics being studied, I can't find fault with these.  Without research
> exactly as described here, the science of animal nutrition isn't going
> anywhere.

We know a ton about human nutritional needs and I am pretty confident
that none of the studies involved torturing people. I could be wrong,
though. Drinking that chalky stuff some of the tests require IS pretty
torturous. *g*

Seriously, there's a BIG difference between feeding trials and animal
tests that involve torture.
Taking blood, urine, and feces to analyse, doing physicals, and doing
analysis on deceased animals is one thing. Removing organs and then
killing the test subjects is another.

Tell me, is the science of HUMAN nutrition going nowhere without these
same tests performed on people?

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Cheryl - 16 Jul 2004 23:00 GMT
In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.health+behav", "Jon C"
<news@jonnythan.com> artfully composed this message within
<news:ucTJc.76214$iJ4.37427@twister.nyroc.rr.com> on 16 Jul 2004:

<paraphrased for the reading impared>
>> 24 young dogs had their right kidneys removed and the left
>> partly damaged to investigate how protein affects dogs with
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>> became obese and starved to find link between weight loss and
>> liver disease.

>> sponsored research in which 14 husky puppies were repeatedly
>> injected with live virus vaccines and allergy-causing proteins
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>>
>> http://www.uncaged.co.uk/iams.htm

> Not that you don't have valid points, but all of those sound
> like responsible research practices to me.  

Huh????  Maybe you didn't read it fully, I've shortened it for you
above. How in the hell is this torture "responsible research
practices"?  I don't know the validity of the quoted material, I
haven't checked, but the barbarism I've paraphrased for you above
is "responsible research practices" to you?

Considering how
> common some of these problems are, and the amount of baseless
> conjecture there is about the topics being studied, I can't find
> fault with these.  Without research exactly as described here,
> the science of animal nutrition isn't going anywhere.

I'm sure there are more humane ways of coming to the conclusions
they are looking for without resorting to torture. I get more
inclined to make my own pet food every day.  

> I don't know if Wellness does feeding trials the way IAMS does,
> but Wellness does do feeding trials, which include taking
> multiple blood samples.  

Taking blood samples != the torture quoted above.

I've seen the AAFCO feeding trials
> bashed on here and elsewhere because they're so easy and not
> even remotely comprehensive.  It sounds like IAMS' feeding tests
> are much more comprehensive and look at a far larger set of
> variables. This is a bad thing?
>
> Jon


Well then maybe there needs to be better ways of finding those
answers. Again, I'm not sure that what is quoted is true, or even
just doctored up a bit for the author of the web site but if
people like you don't object to these methods, something is
seriously wrong.

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-L. : - 16 Jul 2004 09:08 GMT
> If you buy dog or cat food from the Iams Pet Food Company, you need to
> visit a website iamscruelty.com.
> Apparently, Iams keeps cats and dogs to TEST their foods on before it
> goes to market.

Hate to tell you sweetie, but they all do animal testing.

-L.
Jon C - 16 Jul 2004 17:19 GMT
> > If you buy dog or cat food from the Iams Pet Food Company, you need to
> > visit a website iamscruelty.com.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> -L.

Scary thing is, many of them don't.  Read the label and look for the ones
that say "This food has been designed to meet AAFCO nutrition guidelines" as
opposed to " Animal feeding tests using AAFCO procedures substantiate
that..."
Cat Protector - 16 Jul 2004 17:35 GMT
The source comes from PETA which is not really reliable.

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> If you buy dog or cat food from the Iams Pet Food Company, you need to
> visit a website iamscruelty.com.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> email to Iams and tell them to stop testing on poor kitties and
> puppies!!!
equalizer - 17 Jul 2004 02:43 GMT
>The source comes from PETA which is not really reliable.

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hpickering@austin.rr.com - 16 Jul 2004 23:26 GMT
>If you buy dog or cat food from the Iams Pet Food Company, you need to
>visit a website iamscruelty.com.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>email to Iams and tell them to stop testing on poor kitties and
>puppies!!!
From IAMS web site
http://www.iamsco.com/en_US/jhtmls/iamsco/news/sw_in_News_page.jhtml?pti=IN&li=e
n_US&bc=C&ai=5

kaeli - 19 Jul 2004 14:58 GMT
> >Anyone who loves cats and dogs MUST visit iamscruelty.com and send an
> >email to Iams and tell them to stop testing on poor kitties and
> >puppies!!!
> From IAMS web site
> http://www.iamsco.com/en_US/jhtmls/iamsco/news/sw_in_News_page.jhtml?pti=IN&li=e
n_US&bc=C&ai=5

Please keep in mind two things.
1. P&G owns IAMS. Whether or not IAMS specifically abuses animals makes
no difference if P&G as a whole continues to do so.
2. What a company states in policy can often be far from the truth.
This article is a little outdated, but shows how companies can skew
stats to make it seem like they are better than they are.
<http://www.wesleyan.edu/argus/mar3001/w2.html>

Also keep in mind that when a company says it follows government
guidelines that the government guidelines for animal welfare still suck
a.s.  ;)

All companies are getting better in regards to the whole animal welfare
issue, including P&G, but only because enough vocal people pressured
them to do so. If we relax pressure, they'll stop improving.
In general, I think PETA is a bunch of morons, but they *do* help to get
things done sometimes.

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Steve Crane - 20 Jul 2004 20:00 GMT
> In general, I think PETA is a bunch of morons, but they *do* help to get
> things done sometimes.

It will be very interesting if one of the radical arsonists PETA has
funded in one way or another, turns out to be responsible for the two
fires at the IAMS manufacturing plant in Ohio!

From the Consumer Freedom website

Animal Rights Leaders Predict Violence, Death
The cast of characters at the recently concluded  "Animal Rights 2004"
convention including a tenured university professor, a self-described
ocean-going pirate, and a husband-and-wife team seemingly dedicated to
"animal liberation" by any means necessary. Meet Jerry Vlasak and his
wife Pamelyn Ferdin, both of whom have close connections to PETA's
quasi-medical front group, the Physicians Committee for Responsible
Medicine (PCRM).

Vlasak has been arrested several times, and urges others to "get
arrested." Referring to a violent subset of the terrorist Animal
Liberation Front (ALF), he described himself during the convention as
"heavily involved in the SHAC campaign." And then, in a stunning
comment, Vlasak predicted a particularly violent future for his social
movement:  It won't ruin our movement if someone gets killed in an
animal rights action. It's going to happen sooner or later. The Animal
Liberation Front, the Earth Liberation Front - sooner or later there's
going to be someone getting hurt. And we have to accept that fact.
It's going to happen. It's not going to hurt our movement. Our
movement will go on. And it's important that we not let the bully
pulpit of the FBI and the other oppression agencies stop us from what
we're doing. They are the violent ones. They are the terrorists ... we
have to keep doing what we're doing.  At last year's "Animal Rights
2003" event, Vlasak specifically advocated the murder of doctors who
use animals in their research, saying: "I don't think you'd have to
kill -- assassinate -- too many ... I think for 5 lives, 10 lives, 15
human lives, we could save a million, 2 million, 10 million non-human
lives."

Vlasak has represented PCRM on issues of animal testing. He writes for
PCRM's magazine, and is identified in the magazine as  "PCRM's Jerry
Vlasak." In a February 2002 press release, Vlasak is called a "PCRM
spokesperson."

Pamelyn Ferdin is an aging B-movie actress best known as the voice of
the bossy Lucy Van Pelt on the "Peanuts" television specials. Vlasak
and Ferdin are both officers of the Animal Defense League Los Angeles
(ADL), which made headlines last year for waging an all-out holy war
(including aggressive, at-home protests) against the Los Angeles
bureaucrat in charge of the city's animal shelters. Ferdin told Animal
Rights 2004 convention-goers:  We want to make people who walk down to
a park, or walk their animals who are unaltered feel ashamed, feel
humiliated, that they dare have a companion animal who is unaltered
when there are thousands being killed in our city shelters because of
this problem. In addition to her affiliation with ADL, Ferdin carries
a PCRM business card. Amazingly, it identifies PCRM's business address
as the same location in Santa Monica, California where ADL receives
its mail.

A look at ADL's board of directors fleshes out the bigger picture. In
addition to Vlasak and Ferdin, its officers include Gary Yourofsky, a
convicted Animal Liberation Front felon who openly advocates arson and
murder. Yourofsky's most recent job was indoctrinating middle-school
and high-school children on behalf of PETA. Also on ADL's board is
Allison Lance Watson, the wife of Sea Shepherd Conservation Society
pirate Paul Watson. When she is tried later this year, she will face
five years in prison for lying to a federal grand jury about her
possible role in a 2001 ALF arson. Jerry Vlasak is also Sea Shepherd's
treasurer.
kaeli - 20 Jul 2004 20:26 GMT
> > In general, I think PETA is a bunch of morons, but they *do* help to get
> > things done sometimes.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> From the Consumer Freedom website

<snip>

"Interesting if"?
I'd say "likely that".

The animal right's people make us animal welfare people look bad to
people who lump it all together. Which is most of the public.
Dolts.

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Steve Crane - 21 Jul 2004 21:01 GMT
> The animal right's people make us animal welfare people look bad to
> people who lump it all together. Which is most of the public.
> Dolts.

AGREED!!!!!
Ray Ban - 21 Jul 2004 02:11 GMT
One of my kittys only like IAMS senior, 9 lives, and Whiskas. I
consider 9 Lives and Whiskas junk food. IAMs is the best quality of
the 3 that she likes. How do I tell her to stop eating IAMS? When I
tried to wean her off IAMS, she hardly ate anything for 1 week except
the junk food I give her.

RB

> If you buy dog or cat food from the Iams Pet Food Company, you need to
> visit a website iamscruelty.com.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> email to Iams and tell them to stop testing on poor kitties and
> puppies!!!
kaeli - 21 Jul 2004 14:27 GMT
> One of my kittys only like IAMS senior, 9 lives, and Whiskas. I
> consider 9 Lives and Whiskas junk food. IAMs is the best quality of
> the 3 that she likes. How do I tell her to stop eating IAMS? When I
> tried to wean her off IAMS, she hardly ate anything for 1 week except
> the junk food I give her.

Just some suggestions for you to try, if you haven't...
Some are better quality than others, all are better than Wiskas. *g*
Most can be bought at either PetSmart or PetCo if you have one near you
or want to buy online.

Wellness
Innova
Wysong
Science Diet
Royal Canin
Authority
Bil Jac
Pet Gold Adult Cat Food
Purina Pro Plan
Nutro Max / Natural Choice
Purina One

And remember, she's not going to starve herself. If you really do want
to change her food, you need to do it gradually by mixing in the new
food with the old food and *not offering junk*.
If you keep giving a child ice cream for dessert whether she eats her
dinner or not, she's going to hold out for the ice cream instead of
eating her vegetables. *heh*

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Ray Ban - 21 Jul 2004 21:31 GMT
> > One of my kittys only like IAMS senior, 9 lives, and Whiskas. I
> > consider 9 Lives and Whiskas junk food. IAMs is the best quality of
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>
> --

Well, I've already decided to stick with IAMS and not bother with
anything else. I am tired of training cats to eat the proper food.
It's IAMS or nothing. There are a lot more injustices around the world
to worry about than some cats and dogs in an IAMS testing lab.

RB
 
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