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Rick Vigorous - 13 Jul 2004 16:33 GMT
I have a 4 1/2 month old female kitten that's been with me for six weeks.  
Aside from coming home with a tapeworm, which has now been eliminated, she
seems the picture of health.  Enormous appetite, weed-like growth, and
possessed of astonishing energy and strength (she'll jump 5 feet straight
up to grab things out of my hand).

The only thing that concerns me is that she breathes more rapidly and
shallowly than my other two cats.  When running around or otherwise active,
she breathes about 60 - 70 times per minute, sometimes even panting
briefly.  When my other two cats sleep, they breathe so slowly that
sometimes I've occasionaly awakened them to make sure they're still alive.  
With the kitten, her sleep-breathing is still fast and shallow.

She doesn't cough, wheeze, or vomit, and shows no signs of breathing
distress.  She's very active, and will romp around for hours without
stopping.

Is this, rapid shallow breathing cause for concern?
Mary - 13 Jul 2004 18:34 GMT
> The only thing that concerns me is that she breathes more rapidly and
shallowly than my other two cats.

I wouldn't even venture a guess until she has been to a vet.
Karen - 13 Jul 2004 18:42 GMT
Well, she has a tinier little respritory system so her breathing will
probably be faster somewhat. I will also say this, when my Sugar was that
age (and basiclaly until she  turned one) she did not have an OFF when it
came to play. *I* had to be the off switch and control the rate of speed of
the play because she would run and play herself to a frenzy, panting and the
whole nine yards. So as long as the panting stops within a minute or so of
play stopping its probably OK.  I did not have that problem with her
brother, even as a kitten. When he got tired he stopped, but not Sugar. She
did eventually learn however.

> I have a 4 1/2 month old female kitten that's been with me for six weeks.
> Aside from coming home with a tapeworm, which has now been eliminated, she
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> Is this, rapid shallow breathing cause for concern?
zuzu22@webtv.net - 13 Jul 2004 18:54 GMT
>When running around or otherwise
>active, she breathes about 60 - 70 times
>per minute, sometimes even panting
>briefly.

The average breaths per minute for a cat at rest is 20-30. 60-70, even
with activity, seems high and the cat panting so easily is worrisome.
These symptoms can be indicative of a heart condition. My cat Omar had
these symptoms and was diagnosed with Dilated Cardiomyopathy.
You should definitely take the kitten in for an exam and talk to your
vet about scheduling an echocardiogram to see if there is indeed a heart
condition. If caught early, and depending on the type of problem, it is
possible to treat with medication and have a good quality of life for
quite some time.

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Brian Link - 14 Jul 2004 00:46 GMT
>>When running around or otherwise
>>active, she breathes about 60 - 70 times
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>- W.H. Murray

I'd echo the heart disease caution. My brother's poor cat exhibited
those symptoms, and the vet found heart problems.

Also cats can breathe rapidly and shallowly when in pain or distress.

HOWEVER - balance this with some restraint .. it IS a kitten, and
perhaps it's just whipping itself into a frenzy. Nonetheless, a trip
to the Vet may be a very good idea. Better to catch something early
than have it become life-threatening (and far more expensive to treat)
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bluemaxx - 14 Jul 2004 04:53 GMT
Hi, Megan.  How is Omar doing?  My Maxx, who also had dilated
cardiomyopathy, lost his fight and died today.  :`(

Would you email off the group please?
Linda

: The average breaths per minute for a cat at rest is 20-30. 60-70, even
: with activity, seems high and the cat panting so easily is worrisome.
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Karen Chuplis - 14 Jul 2004 05:11 GMT
> Hi, Megan.  How is Omar doing?  My Maxx, who also had dilated
> cardiomyopathy, lost his fight and died today.  :`(

Linda I am So sorry to hear this :(((
bluemaxx - 14 Jul 2004 17:41 GMT
Thank you very much, Karen.   I miss Maxx simply terribly and just don't
know what I'm going to do without him.  He was a total "in your
face&lap" cat and was with me constantly.  Now there's just a big empty
hole in my life...

If you'd like to see him, here's a picture I took of him a week before
he died.
http://www.picturetrail.com/bluemaxx - Maxx is in the "Family, Friends
and Flowers" folder, along with my other 2 furrbabies.
hugz,
Linda

: > Hi, Megan.  How is Omar doing?  My Maxx, who also had dilated
: > cardiomyopathy, lost his fight and died today.  :`(
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: Linda I am So sorry to hear this :(((

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Karen - 14 Jul 2004 18:01 GMT
Aww....he was quite handsome. I know that Siamese type. They are VERY in
your face-I will sit on you- you must pet me until I am done and if you put
me off I will grumble- in attitude aren't they? My Pearl is black but that
is just a Siamese in disguise. My most heartfelt condolences. Maxx will very
likely send you a kitten in need that is just what you need one day when you
need it most.

Karen

> Thank you very much, Karen.   I miss Maxx simply terribly and just don't
> know what I'm going to do without him.  He was a total "in your
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Mary - 14 Jul 2004 23:27 GMT
> Aww....he was quite handsome.

Really. What a great face!
kaeli - 13 Jul 2004 19:05 GMT
> I have a 4 1/2 month old female kitten that's been with me for six weeks.  
> Aside from coming home with a tapeworm, which has now been eliminated, she
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> Is this, rapid shallow breathing cause for concern?

My first thought was an enlarged heart or congenital lung problems, but
those usually cause other symptoms which it doesn't sound like she has,
such as stunted growth, poor appetite, lethargy, and the like.

Is it possible she's just being a normal kitten and you're used to your
adult cats? Kittens do breathe at a more rapid rate than adult cats. It
is not unusual for kittens to pant for a minute or so after intense
activity. All my kittens have.

If you're at all concerned, talk to your vet. Always better safe than
sorry. I've taken more than one pet to the vet for something that turned
out to be nothing. I figure the fee was worth it for my peace of mind.  
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---MIKE--- - 13 Jul 2004 19:44 GMT
Tiger breathes normally except when purring.  Then his breath rate
doubles.  It has always been like that.

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zuzu22@webtv.net - 13 Jul 2004 20:24 GMT
Kaeli wrote:
>My first thought was an enlarged heart or
>congenital lung problems, but those
>usually cause other symptoms which it
>doesn't sound like she has, such as
>stunted growth, poor appetite, lethargy,
>and the like.

Not necessarily. There are many cats that have been diagnosed with heart
conditions that have shown none of these symptoms, and there have been
posts here in the past from people who had no idea their cats had a
heart problem until they found them dead. Sometimes the only symptoms of
a heart condition are panting and/or fast shallow breathing, which is
exactly what happened in Omar's case. In all other respects he acted
normal.

Megan

                                   
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Zuzu's Cats Photo Album:
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"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

- W.H. Murray

Rick Vigorous - 14 Jul 2004 02:07 GMT
The kitten is going to the vet Thursday morning.

Also, I measured her breathing rate a little more accurately this
afternoon.  While sleeping, it was a consistent 27 per minute.
 
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