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Pets' Fate After Involuntary Psychiatric Commitment

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Cowa Bungie - 05 Jul 2004 12:41 GMT
Today I'm not posting about my cat.  Do I ever wish I were.  I'd like
to know if anyone on this group can tell me what would/will happen
under the following circumstances: An alcoholic family member who is a
pet-collector (no cats; two dogs; more than fifteen birds) is
indigent, refusing contact with family, and possibly may have to be
committed for psychiatric observation against her will.

If she wants "revenge" against family members for the commitment and
tells the authorities who take her into custody that we are not
allowed into her house (the only people 1) willing, 2) *very*
interested, and 3) financially able to care for all these animals for
an indefinite period), what will happen to them?  Will the local
humane society immediately seize them?

I'm heartsick beyond belief this morning and don't know how much more
I can stand of this unbearable situation.  FWIW, we are assuming the
animals aren't being abused/neglected, but since the relative at this
point will not allow us into her home, we can't tell for sure if
either she or the animals are eating.
Luvskats00 - 05 Jul 2004 12:55 GMT
cowabungie@yahoo.com  (Cowa Bungie) writes

>"...An alcoholic family member >who is a pet-collector is indigent, >refusing
contact with family, and >possibly may have to be >committed for psychiatric
>observation against her will...."

While not quite Indigent (a level of poverty in which real hardship and
deprivation are suffered and comforts of life are wholly lacking), I'm sure
your relative has a whole slew of major problems, debt being a part of those
problems!  Has this relative exhibited deviant behavior witnessed by others
than can be proved in a court of law? One deviant behavior is when a person
collects animals but has no means or ability to care for the animals. As a
result, the animals become sick and are in real danger. Can you document
anything with a photos or videos? Can neighbors or medical reports help your
case?  It's best to try to do what you can to help the animals before it's too
late.
Mary - 05 Jul 2004 18:03 GMT
>Will the local
>humane society immediately seize them?

Here in Los Angeles when someone is arrested, dies, goes to the hospital...the
animals go to the city or county shelter. They are put into kennels next to the
stray and lost animals. The cats get URIs. The dogs get kennel cough. When the
person is cognizant, the city or county tries to get them to sign the animals
over to the shelter so they can be euthanized or adopted out. They are
generally sick by then so no one wants them and they get euthanized. They don't
treat URI or kennel cough in LA City or county shelters. They just euthanize
asap so the animals don't give it to others.

Is there any other way you can get a stranger to do an intervention? And, if
she's taking care of the animals and herself, does it matter that she doesn't
want to contact the family? That's not grounds for having someone undergo a 72
hr. watch. Here in LA they must commit a crime in order or act totally insane
in public to go in for a 72 hr. watch.
Dennis Carr - 05 Jul 2004 19:52 GMT
> If she wants "revenge" against family members for the commitment and
> tells the authorities who take her into custody that we are not
> allowed into her house...

(Note: I am not a lawyer)

Usually if you're taken in on a 5[123]50 charge (involuntary
psychiatric evaluation), you're considered a danger to yourself and/or
others to one degree or another - to give you an idea, a 5150 is when
you're placed under an eval for 72 hours, where a 5350 is "indefinite"
and a last resort.

But as such, I don't think that you would have the rights to those
demands, and unfortunately I forsee a scenario similar to what Mary
described.  Your mileage may vary (as I understand it, Los Angeles
county is very strict insofar as animal control goes).

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Cowa Bungie - 06 Jul 2004 00:58 GMT
Luvskats, Mary, and Dennis:

Thank you for your compassionate and informed responses.  I have been
in contact with the relative today and had a glimmer of hope from her
when she said she'll "consider" going for counseling.  And Crisis
Management has agreed to make a home visit and *try*--try--to gain
access to the interior, to check up on the animals.

From the animals' point of view, volitional counseling (as opposed to
court ordered) makes all the difference in the world, as--something
you've pointed out--legal incompetence of whatever sort makes the
state legally liable for matters that may strike the mentally ill as
extraneous; but animal neglect or endangerment is a crime in my state
(Pennsylvania).

Everyone who reads this post tonight, please pray to whatever God or
Divine Being you believe in to convince my relative not only is she
not alone in the world, she is the *mother* to nearly twenty helpless
beings whose welfare depends upon her willingness just to admit she is
in need of sobriety and mental health help.

I will keep the group posted on the progress of this horrible horrible
situation.  Whatever your sorrows tonight, thank God you do not have
to deal with the the combined burden of an infantile addicted human
and animals who by their nature will always be our mutual infants.
-L. : - 06 Jul 2004 10:05 GMT
> Luvskats, Mary, and Dennis:
>
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> to deal with the the combined burden of an infantile addicted human
> and animals who by their nature will always be our mutual infants.

Good luck to you.  Getting help for her may be difficult, but is of
primary importance.  I hope it all works out.

-L.
m. L. Briggs - 06 Jul 2004 01:08 GMT
>Today I'm not posting about my cat.  Do I ever wish I were.  I'd like
>to know if anyone on this group can tell me what would/will happen
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>point will not allow us into her home, we can't tell for sure if
>either she or the animals are eating.

Contact  your local Humane Society  for advice and assistance.
-L. : - 06 Jul 2004 10:03 GMT
> Today I'm not posting about my cat.  Do I ever wish I were.  I'd like
> to know if anyone on this group can tell me what would/will happen
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> an indefinite period), what will happen to them?  Will the local
> humane society immediately seize them?

Yes.  Voluntarily relinquished or seized by court order.  Dogs will go
to pound or local humane society.  Birds are likely to go to a bird
sanctuary or humane society.

> I'm heartsick beyond belief this morning and don't know how much more
> I can stand of this unbearable situation.  FWIW, we are assuming the
> animals aren't being abused/neglected, but since the relative at this
> point will not allow us into her home, we can't tell for sure if
> either she or the animals are eating.

You should call the local animal control authority and report the
situation.  If the animals are well cared for, there won't be any
action.  You can report anonymously.

-L.
 
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