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Cowa Bungie - 02 Jul 2004 00:36 GMT
I've posted here often before and would like some advice on a subject
I've researched pretty thoroughly on Google and elsewhere.

I have put off a really necessary vocational decision due to the age
of a previously-stray cat I adopted at a late age (13, minimum).  But
I fell in love with this angel who single-pawedly rescued me from a
real pit of depression; I canNOT relocate without her.

Since I've researched the subject as thoroughly as I have, and since
I'm clearly not the only person who suffers the pains of Hell moving a
cat long distance, I hope honorable members of this newsgroup take it
the right way when I say I can't take this cat to a vet for a check-up
*without first tranquilizing her.*

I've bought one of those top-open cages (expensive!).  I've tried
every trick in the book to lure her into "liking" it: the pillow
covered with her own hair stuffed inside, the cat nip, the clothes
with my scent on them.  She's gone into the cage twice, but only to
get the cat nip.  She's by no means a nipaholic and will not always go
in when I put new nip on her pillow.

SO...  This "Resource Remedy," or whatever it's called...  How much
can I give an old but healthy little doll so that I can get her to a
vet for a check-up, or so I can just get her into the cage for
transport?

Thanks and God bless.
Paige - 02 Jul 2004 02:19 GMT
Are you just trying to find a way to get her into the cage to go to the vet?
If so have you ever tried putting her in but first.  Pick her up and have
her face you....take hold of the back feet and put them as though she were
laying down(tucked under) and then place her in the cage.  The only way she
can fight it is to try and prevent going in with her front paws which you
just grab.  Them close the cage door fast.

I also have to get the cage out of my bedroom closet with the bedroom door
closed and (Chloe my cat) outside the bedroom.  If she knows what's going on
she will hide under the bed and I would never get her out.  Once the cage is
out I sneak out of the bedroom real fast and get her (she really doesn't
have any place to hide that I can't get to her, I live in an apartment).

Hope you can get it!!!  The other option is to give your cat an
antihistamine (it can make them drowsy) but I wouldn't really like to drug
my cat just for that.  And if you choose to give antihistamine please
contact your vet to know which one to give and how much!!!

Paige
Lois - 02 Jul 2004 03:20 GMT
"Cowa Bungie" wrote in part:
: ... I hope honorable members of this newsgroup take it
: the right way when I say I can't take this cat to a vet for a check-up
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
: vet for a check-up, or so I can just get her into the cage for
: transport?

My usual vet is a 5-minute walk from my home, so I can usually carry my cat
there. Recently, though, I had to take him to a specialist on the other side
of town. I borrowed a cat carrier, but when I put him in it, this normally
calm cat went berserk, so I couldn't leave him in it. I had to hold him in
my lap in a taxi to get him to the specialist.

If holding the cat isn't an option, maybe a big carrier the size for medium
dogs will be OK for your cat. You might be able to get a cheap second hand
one somewhere. I once got one from a pet shop; it had been used to transport
pets to the shop, and then they didn't need it any more.

"Rescue Remedy" is what you're thinking of. I was told to put 4 drops on my
hand and rub it on the cat's face. Because of its alcohol content, it
shouldn't be given to cats directly. It didn't help my cat, but that's
probably because I didn't try it until *after* he'd gone berserk. A web
search will bring you to lots of success stories with it.

I hope things work out for you and your cat.

Lois
PawsForThought - 02 Jul 2004 13:15 GMT
>From: cowabungie@yahoo.com  (Cowa Bungie)

>SO...  This "Resource Remedy," or whatever it's called...  How much
>can I give an old but healthy little doll so that I can get her to a
>vet for a check-up, or so I can just get her into the cage for
>transport?

I have given my cats Rescue Remedy before vets visits.  Although it didn't help
a great deal for the car ride, it really did seem to help when they were
actually in the vet's office.  Since it has alcohol, you can put some in a
teaspoon and leave it out for a while so the alcohol disappates.  Or you can
rub a few drops into their ear leather (being careful not to let any get into
the ear canal).  

I would recommend not tranqualizing the cat with drugs.  I did that once when I
moved, and it was definitely a mistake, as the cat was just so disorientated, I
think it made it worse.

Here's a website about Rescue Remedy.  You can click on Frequently Asked
Questions on the right side of the page:

http://www.catfaeries.com/essences.html

Good luck on your move,

Lauren
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Laura R. - 03 Jul 2004 05:33 GMT
circa 02 Jul 2004 12:15:36 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
PawsForThought (darnit7@aol.comnolitter) said,
> I would recommend not tranqualizing the cat with drugs.  I did that once when I
> moved, and it was definitely a mistake,

I'll second this one strongly. I've found that in this case, the
"cure" is worse than the problem. Just say "no" to tranks! ;-)

Laura
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PawsForThought - 03 Jul 2004 23:47 GMT
>From: Laura R. UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com

>PawsForThought (darnit7@aol.comnolitter) said,
>> I would recommend not tranqualizing the cat with drugs.  I did that once
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>Laura

LOL, no kidding!  I hope to never seen another stoned out of her mind kitty
again.

Lauren
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Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
Cowa Bungie - 04 Jul 2004 13:11 GMT
> >From: Laura R. UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com
>  
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> >I'll second this one strongly. I've found that in this case, the
> >"cure" is worse than the problem. Just say "no" to tranks! ;-)

Up to what age of cat would you recommend Rescue Relief be used on?
I've read every response to this thread and take everything people are
kind enough to write seriously.  If tranks would agitate my little
(old) friend, I'll avoid them.  But is Rescue Relief safe for old
cats?
PawsForThought - 04 Jul 2004 14:36 GMT
>From: cowabungie@yahoo.com  (Cowa Bungie)

>> >From: Laura R. UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com
>>  
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>(old) friend, I'll avoid them.  But is Rescue Relief safe for old
>cats?

Yes, not to worry.  Rescue Remedy is a natural flower essence that is pretty
innocuous.  It doesn't have strong effects like drugs do and I've never heard
of a problem with an older cat.  Here's a link that will explain flower
essences and near the bottom are a couple of companies that make them with 800
numbers that you could call to ask, just to make sure and to ease your mind:
www.petsynergy.com/flower.html#C1

Lauren
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Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
Laura R. - 03 Jul 2004 05:32 GMT
circa 1 Jul 2004 16:36:05 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Cowa
Bungie (cowabungie@yahoo.com) said,

> SO...  This "Resource Remedy," or whatever it's called...  How much
> can I give an old but healthy little doll so that I can get her to a
> vet for a check-up, or so I can just get her into the cage for
> transport?

Rescue Remedy. Rub two or three drops into the skin of each ear. You
can't overdose her with it, so don't worry about that.

Laura
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Cheryl - 04 Jul 2004 00:24 GMT
In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.health+behav", Laura R.
<UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com> artfully composed
this message within
<news:MPG.1b5000a9e2dddf0798ad1d@news.verizon.net> on 03 Jul 2004:

> Rescue Remedy. Rub two or three drops into the skin of each ear.
> You can't overdose her with it, so don't worry about that.

That's how I've tried giving it to Shadow, after putting it in water
had no effect. It has no effect on him in his ears, either. I just
wish he'd calm down some around Bonnie. The minute she looks at him,
he tenses up and runs. She's discovered this is a fun game. She
doesn't even have to wear herself out with a chase, just a look. Poor
lil Shadow. :(

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Cheryl

-L. : - 04 Jul 2004 07:56 GMT
> In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.health+behav", Laura R.
> <UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com> artfully composed
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> doesn't even have to wear herself out with a chase, just a look. Poor
> lil Shadow. :(

Have you tired aromatherapy?  I use lavendar plug-ins with my cats -
Peewee likes to beat up poor docile Mimi.  It helps.

-L.
Ruby Tuesday - 04 Jul 2004 13:31 GMT
> > In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.health+behav", Laura R.
> > <UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com> artfully composed
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> -L.

Just a note:  my Aromatherapy teacher recommends Bach Flower Remedies and
Aromatherapy essences be kept VERY separate.  Apparently they have the
effect of negating each other's effiacy.

- Ruby Tuesday
PawsForThought - 04 Jul 2004 14:48 GMT
>From: usenetlyn@yahoo.com  (-L. :)

>Have you tired aromatherapy?  I use lavendar plug-ins with my cats

Please be very careful with aromatherapy and cats:

http://www.thelavendercat.bigstep.com/generic.html?pid=10

Lauren
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Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
Cowa Bungie - 06 Jul 2004 11:29 GMT
darnit7@aol.comnolitter (PawsForThought) wrote in message

> Please be very careful with aromatherapy and cats:

Okay, I bought Rescue Remedy, but it comes in three different forms,
and I wasn't sure which to buy (1) eye-dropper liquid in very tiny
bottle; 2) tiny aerosol spray (that the salesclerk recommended be
sprayed in the animal's mouth); 3) cream (whose box-container
mentioned not a thing about calming nerves, which the others did).

I bought the eye-dropper liquid form and tried it out on myself.  It
seems to have had a tranquilizing effect.  But how would I put this on
my baby?  Would I actually rub it in her ears, or can I just put it on
her chin or coat?

Lord, is this matter of calming cats ruining my nerves!
PawsForThought - 06 Jul 2004 13:06 GMT
>From: cowabungie@yahoo.com  (Cowa Bungie)

>Okay, I bought Rescue Remedy, but it comes in three different forms,
>and I wasn't sure which to buy (1) eye-dropper liquid in very tiny
>bottle; 2) tiny aerosol spray (that the salesclerk recommended be
>sprayed in the animal's mouth); 3) cream (whose box-container
>mentioned not a thing about calming nerves, which the others did).

I've never seen the spray.  The cream is for a topical for cuts or irritated
skin.  So you got the right kind by getting the liquid in a bottle  Check out
this page for administration suggestions (I'd avoid the crystal one
personally).  When I've given it to my cats, I will either put it in a spoon
and let the alcohol dissipate for a while, then use the eye dropped and put it
in their mouth by inserting into the mouth side pouch.  I've also rubbed it
into the skin on their ears (being careful not to let any get into the ear
canal).  I know some suggest putting it in their drinking water, but I think
that dilutes it too much.  Here's the webpage:
http://www.catfaeries.com/essences_howto.html

Lauren
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See my cats:  http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
Laura R. - 03 Jul 2004 05:43 GMT
circa 1 Jul 2004 16:36:05 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Cowa
Bungie (cowabungie@yahoo.com) said,
> SO...  This "Resource Remedy," or whatever it's called...

P.S. http://www.bachflower.com/rescue_remedy.htm
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J Gillen - 08 Jul 2004 01:17 GMT
Hi,
I tried Rescue Remedy for my cat, when we moved house. He was so stressed. I
didn't know about the alcohol, and gave him an eyedropper full!
He went beserk, and got out of the cage in the car ,tore the hinge off...
and escaped through a tiny slot in the wondow, when I arrived at the new
house.
Never again.
Judy
> I've posted here often before and would like some advice on a subject
> I've researched pretty thoroughly on Google and elsewhere.
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> Thanks and God bless.
Cathy Friedmann - 08 Jul 2004 01:38 GMT
<snipped>
> SO...  This "Resource Remedy," or whatever it's called...  How much
> can I give an old but healthy little doll so that I can get her to a
> vet for a check-up, or so I can just get her into the cage for
> transport?

Some people have reported good results w/ Rescue Remedy.  I tried it w/two
of my cats - the drops (recommended amount) in their water bowl.  They threw
up.  Both of them.  And I noticed no calming effect.  So, I guess YMMV.

Cathy
 
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