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suitta - 01 Jul 2004 05:12 GMT
I have a momma and baby kitty living in the brushy area over my back fence.
There's  a good bit of area back there with lots of birds, lizards, and
mice. (I've seen all 3).  Problem is tonight I put food out because they
looked a little thin and they came and enjoyed.  If all I commit to is
feeding them am I inviting trouble or is giving them food good-hearted?  I
cannot take in another cat.  My landlord won't have it.  They have no desire
to be housecat's.  When approached they scattered.  Before I set food out
one more time I need advice.

Thanks - Terri
Nomen Nescio - 01 Jul 2004 05:40 GMT
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From: "suitta" <suitta@cox.net>

>I have a momma and baby kitty living in the brushy area over my back fence.
>There's  a good bit of area back there with lots of birds, lizards, and
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>
>Thanks - Terri

It sounds like they can use a little help finding food. I think you're doing a
good thing.

2 caveats though:

Take appropriate precautions to avoid the possibility of transmitting any
possible disease to your cats or yourself.

You can get awfully attached to stray cats. We've been feeding a feral
since last October.......and he's nipping at my ankles as I'm writing this.
'Nuff said? :-)
m. L. Briggs - 01 Jul 2004 06:05 GMT
>I have a momma and baby kitty living in the brushy area over my back fence.
>There's  a good bit of area back there with lots of birds, lizards, and
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Thanks - Terri

IMO - a well fed stray or feral is bound to be healthier than a
starving one.  For two years I fed 13 ferals and they were lovely cats
(but untouchable except for two of them).  Their lives are usually
short, so why not make it a little better by giving them something to
eat?MLB
MacCandace - 02 Jul 2004 06:16 GMT
<< Their lives are usually
short, so why not make it a little better by giving them something to
eat?MLB >>

I agree.  Their lives are crappy enough without being hungry all the time.  The
other nice thing you can do is find a rescue group who will do TNR (trap,
neuter, return) and then you can feed them and they may lead decent lives.

Candace
(take the litter out before replying by e-mail)

See my cats:
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than human."  (Loren Eisely)
Jon C - 01 Jul 2004 06:31 GMT
I leave a bowl of food filled on the side of my house for the couple of
neighborhood strays.  None of them have ever let me get close, but the bowl
empties every few days.  It's really cheap dry food (Meow Mix), but I'm sure
it's a lot better than what they eat otherwise.

> I have a momma and baby kitty living in the brushy area over my back fence.
> There's  a good bit of area back there with lots of birds, lizards, and
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Thanks - Terri
-L. : - 01 Jul 2004 17:30 GMT
> I have a momma and baby kitty living in the brushy area over my back fence.
> There's  a good bit of area back there with lots of birds, lizards, and
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Thanks - Terri

Don't feed them unless you plan on trapping them all and neutering
them.  Otherwise you create a perpetual colony of cats destined to a
sorry life on the street.  Each female can breed twice a year.  Litter
size often is as many as 8-10 kittens, sometimes more.  As you can
see, pretty soon you will be overun with cats.

-L.
MadHatter - 01 Jul 2004 18:15 GMT
>> I have a momma and baby kitty living in the brushy area over my back fence.
>> There's  a good bit of area back there with lots of birds, lizards, and
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>
>-L.

more than 8 kittens?  the cat only has 8 nipples, usually.  it thought
they wouldn't have more kittens than nipples.

-L
Cathy Friedmann - 01 Jul 2004 18:53 GMT
> >> I have a momma and baby kitty living in the brushy area over my back fence.
> >> There's  a good bit of area back there with lots of birds, lizards, and
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>
> -L

Someone recently posted pics (on the alt.binaries.pictures.animals ng maybe
it was?) of a mother cat who had 10 kittens in a litter - & all apppeared to
be doing well.

Cathy
-L. : - 02 Jul 2004 01:37 GMT
> > >"suitta" <suitta@cox.net> wrote in message
>  news:<qaMEc.91547$%T.27834@okepread05>...
> > >> I have a momma and baby kitty living in the brushy area over my back
>  fence.

> > >> There's  a good bit of area back there with lots of birds, lizards, and
> > >> mice. (I've seen all 3).  Problem is tonight I put food out because
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>
> Cathy

I have seen 10-12 somewat regularly.  As long as Momma has enough
milk, they do fine.

-L.
KellyH - 01 Jul 2004 19:14 GMT
> Don't feed them unless you plan on trapping them all and neutering
> them.  Otherwise you create a perpetual colony of cats destined to a
> sorry life on the street.  Each female can breed twice a year.  Litter
> size often is as many as 8-10 kittens, sometimes more.  As you can
> see, pretty soon you will be overun with cats.

I agree with Lyn.  Contact a rescue organization in your area.  If they
don't do TNR (trap, neuter, release) themselves, they can usually refer you
to a group that does.  A feral colony can grow quite large quickly.  It is
VERY important that the cats be spayed and neutered, along with any
newcomers to the colony.

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-Kelly
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Laura R. - 01 Jul 2004 17:40 GMT
circa Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:12:09 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
suitta (suitta@cox.net) said,
> I have a momma and baby kitty living in the brushy area over my back fence.
> There's  a good bit of area back there with lots of birds, lizards, and
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> to be housecat's.  When approached they scattered.  Before I set food out
> one more time I need advice.

Feed 'em. If they run from you, they're probably not looking to be
housecats, either. :-)

Laura
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Cathy Friedmann - 01 Jul 2004 18:51 GMT
> I have a momma and baby kitty living in the brushy area over my back fence.
> There's  a good bit of area back there with lots of birds, lizards, and
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Thanks - Terri

Personally, I'd go ahead & fed them.  If it ever gets to the point where
they become friendly w/ you & are inching their way toward adoption, then
you can figure out what to do about it.  But until that happens - which it
may not ever do - I'd just go ahead & help to keep them a bit healthier
through better nutrition.

Cathy
Ginger-lyn Summer - 01 Jul 2004 19:34 GMT
>I have a momma and baby kitty living in the brushy area over my back fence.
>There's  a good bit of area back there with lots of birds, lizards, and
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Thanks - Terri

I think it's great that you are feeding them.  However, I would also
suggest that you attempt to rescue them and get them into a no-kill
shelter or rescue group that can help them find permanent homes.  If
not, you will want to at the very least trap them and get them
vaccinated and neutered (tested would be good, too).

Best of luck,

Ginger-lyn
Cathy Friedmann - 03 Jul 2004 01:43 GMT
> >I have a momma and baby kitty living in the brushy area over my back fence.
> >There's  a good bit of area back there with lots of birds, lizards, and
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Ginger-lyn

I second this: if after feeding them for a while, you can manage to borrow
or rent a Hav-a-Hart trap (shelters sometimes have one or two traps
available to lend out) & get them seen to by a vet.  Even if you trap,
neuter, & then release them again, it'll be better than their present
status.  The vet could also worm them, get rid of ear mites & fleas - common
stuff that strays & ferals tend to have.

Cathy
Paige - 01 Jul 2004 23:11 GMT
If you are going to do anything please catch those cats and have them
neutered/spayed and them release them.  Otherwise you will end up with a
whole bunch more.  There are organizations that will do it for free if the
money is a problem.

Paige
Cheryl - 02 Jul 2004 01:17 GMT
In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.health+behav", "suitta"

> If all I commit to is
> feeding them am I inviting trouble or is giving them food
> good-hearted?  I cannot take in another cat.  

I echo what some others have said, if possible to trap and have them
neutered. In answer to your question, yes you'll be inviting trouble
if you feed them and allow them to continue breeding. If your
landlords won't allow more than one cat, I shudder to think of what
they'd do about a newly formed feral colony created from the few that
are there now. If they become a "nuisance" who knows how they'll
handle it? Cats are opportunistic and if they find a free meal,
they'll invite friends and have families.  Can you find out if there
is a rescue group, or a TNR group that could help out?

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suitta - 02 Jul 2004 05:23 GMT
I've carefully read all the advice everyone has given and I really
appreciate it.  I've contacted an organization that will provide me traps to
capture, then they get fixed and released back.  Frankly, the whole idea of
capturing them myself is extremely daunting.  I am going to seek assistance
if I can find it.  In the meantime I will continue to feed, which we did
tonight.  Only momma showed up.  I don't know where the kitten is.

Thanks - Terri

> I have a momma and baby kitty living in the brushy area over my back fence.
> There's  a good bit of area back there with lots of birds, lizards, and
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Thanks - Terri
MacCandace - 02 Jul 2004 06:24 GMT
<< Frankly, the whole idea of
capturing them myself is extremely daunting.  >>

Trapping can be very daunting.  I hate doing it myself but others thrive on it.
It's a good thing to do.  Some cats trap easily, others are very difficult.
Go to this website:

<A HREF="http://www.alleycat.org/">Alley Cat Allies</A>

They have all sorts of good advice on trapping.  I hope the kitten is okay.
Sometimes you don't see a cat you are feeding for a day or 2; it happens to me
all the time.  I get worried about them and then they show up...although, yes,
sometimes bad things happen to feral cats.   That's why they need all the help
they can get re: food, a kind word, some shelter if you have the place and
means for it.  Whatever you can do but it sounds like you are on the right
track.  Tell the group your concerns and see if someone can help you.
Personally, I find it a little stressful.

Candace
(take the litter out before replying by e-mail)

See my cats:
http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

"One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other
than human."  (Loren Eisely)
Wendy - 02 Jul 2004 12:58 GMT
> I've carefully read all the advice everyone has given and I really
> appreciate it.  I've contacted an organization that will provide me traps to
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Thanks - Terri

Trapping doesn't have to be stressful. Coordinate well with your rescue
group and it should go pretty smoothly (providing the cats "take the bait").

We trapped Boots' mother last fall. We started feeding her on the carport
for a couple of days  Then we got the trap and started feeding her next to
the trap Finally we put the food in the trap. Within an hour I hear the trap
shut. Went out to find we had snagged the wrong cat. Released him/her and
set the trap again. In about 10 minutes I again heard the trap. This time it
was mom. I left her in the trap with the food, covered it with a towel
(which calmed her some) and then the next morning hauled her off to the vet
to be tested and neutered. The rescue group knew I was going to try trapping
that night and had alerted their vet. In her case it turned out she was a
stray instead of ferile so was able to be rehomed.

W
Laura R. - 03 Jul 2004 05:40 GMT
circa Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:23:11 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
suitta (suitta@cox.net) said,

> I've carefully read all the advice everyone has given and I really
> appreciate it.  I've contacted an organization that will provide me traps to
> capture, then they get fixed and released back.  Frankly, the whole idea of
> capturing them myself is extremely daunting.  I am going to seek assistance
> if I can find it.  In the meantime I will continue to feed, which we did
> tonight.  Only momma showed up.  I don't know where the kitten is.

Excellent. I'm sure that the group will assist you in the process,
and you're to be commended for undertaking it.

Laura
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