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bathing a kitten
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MadHatter - 01 Jul 2004 23:12 GMT i wonder when is the best time to start bathing a cat, and is there much need for that. the cats we have at home we don't bathe. i don't think it's really possible to bathe Murka and keep your hands.
-L
Paige - 01 Jul 2004 23:15 GMT we started bathing Chloe when she was a kitten and I think it helped her get used to the idea. Five years later she's still ok with it. It's the blowdryer (persian) she hates. Of course she only gets a bath about twice a year
paige
Len Albrecht - 01 Jul 2004 23:56 GMT I have heard of a product that is a screen mesh or something to the like, that is placed under the cat while bathing it. The pets claws get caught in the screen saving yourself alot of skin.
Cathy Friedmann - 02 Jul 2004 00:48 GMT > I have heard of a product that is a screen mesh or something to the > like, that is placed under the cat while bathing it. The pets claws get > caught in the screen saving yourself alot of skin. Actually, if the cat really does need a bath- for whatever special reason, the screen idea might be good for another reason - would give the cat something to get a grip on, & *may* help them to feel a bit calmer.
Cathy
Veronica - 02 Jul 2004 09:31 GMT > > I have heard of a product that is a screen mesh or something to the > > like, that is placed under the cat while bathing it. The pets claws get [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the screen idea might be good for another reason - would give the cat > something to get a grip on, & *may* help them to feel a bit calmer. That is a good point. One of the saddest things I saw with my long-gone cat Susie who came home one day in a terrible mess. Decided to bathe her. Complete trust was there. Cat standing in the bottom of the bath shaking like a leaf but letting me get on with it. Wet herself even. Terribly sad. What must be in their minds? How was she to know I wasn;t going to drown her or do something equally horrid. Just go on making soothing noises and behaving in incomprehensible and terrifying way.
Poor things. Life must be a terrible puzzle for them at times. No wonder the Phantom runs like mad from every new noise.
Vee.
Laura R. - 03 Jul 2004 05:52 GMT circa Fri, 02 Jul 2004 08:31:24 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Veronica (marrowjam@wildblueyonder.co.uk) said,
> That is a good point. One of the saddest things I saw with my long-gone cat > Susie who came home one day in a terrible mess. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Poor things. Life must be a terrible puzzle for them at times. No wonder the > Phantom runs like mad from every new noise. I've often thought the same thing, particularly around times like now, when every neighborhood yahoo has been setting off firecrackers for days and will likely continue to do so well through July 5th. Grr.
Laura
 Signature Experience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde
Veronica - 03 Jul 2004 13:38 GMT "Laura R." <UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com> wrote in message
> > Poor things. Life must be a terrible puzzle for them at times. No wonder the > > Phantom runs like mad from every new noise. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > for days and will likely continue to do so well through July 5th. > Grr. Oh, of course, it's getting to your whizz-bang time, isn't it? Well Happy 4th of July to all you Americans out there.
Cats differ. DCat sits on the sill watching with interest. The Phantom is just two wide eyes under the bed. Tell me, has the USA fallen foul to the whizz-bang new year celebration attack? The whole sky lighting up when the calendar flipped to 2000, I could understand, but all that noise seems to have started a fashion over here. New year fireworks go on until 2-3 in the morning now. Ah well.
In fact, fireworks have become far more common for all sorts of different religious festivals,sporting victories (not many of them) and even the odd 21st birthday and retirement party! Amazing.
Vee.
Laura R. - 03 Jul 2004 19:00 GMT circa Sat, 03 Jul 2004 12:38:46 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Veronica (marrowjam@wildblueyonder.co.uk) said,
> > > Poor things. Life must be a terrible puzzle for them at times. No wonder > the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Oh, of course, it's getting to your whizz-bang time, isn't it? Well Happy > 4th of July to all you Americans out there. Thank you kindly. Now if the local idiots would quit blowing things up...
> Cats differ. DCat sits on the sill watching with interest. The Phantom is > just two wide eyes under the bed. > Tell me, has the USA fallen foul to the whizz-bang new year celebration > attack? You realize that you're asking this of somebody who lives in New York City, right? I leave the state for New Year's Eve. The closest I want to be to Times Square that night is cable television.
> The whole sky lighting up when the calendar flipped to 2000, I could > understand, but all that noise seems to have started a fashion over here. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > religious festivals,sporting victories (not many of them) and even the odd > 21st birthday and retirement party! Amazing. I have seen no less than a half-dozen fireworks displays in the past three months. I have *no* idea *why* they've been shooting the stupid things off, but they have.
Fireworks really haven't done anything for me since I was about seven years old.
Laura
 Signature Experience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde
Cathy Friedmann - 03 Jul 2004 19:06 GMT > circa Sat, 03 Jul 2004 12:38:46 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > Veronica (marrowjam@wildblueyonder.co.uk) said, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Thank you kindly. Now if the local idiots would quit blowing things > up... Yep, a house 2 doors away has been intermittently shooting off (illegal) firecrackers since this morning. Arghh.
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> Fireworks really haven't done anything for me since I was about seven > years old. Oh, I like a good display of fireworks. If they're only mediocre, no big deal. But some displays are great. IMO.
Cathy
Laura R. - 03 Jul 2004 20:08 GMT circa Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:06:02 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Cathy Friedmann (clfr@adelphia.net) said,
> > Thank you kindly. Now if the local idiots would quit blowing things > > up... > > Yep, a house 2 doors away has been intermittently shooting off (illegal) > firecrackers since this morning. Arghh. And then you get to see all the newspaper stories on July 5th about idiots blowing off a finger or two... <sigh>
> <snipped> > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Oh, I like a good display of fireworks. If they're only mediocre, no big > deal. But some displays are great. IMO. This is true. I just rarely have the patience to go to see those 'cause it's always sooo crowded.
Laura
 Signature Experience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde
Cheryl - 04 Jul 2004 00:38 GMT In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.health+behav", "Cathy Friedmann" <clfr@adelphia.net> artfully composed this message within <news:2koaqeF4mj35U1@uni-berlin.de> on 03 Jul 2004:
> Yep, a house 2 doors away has been intermittently shooting off > (illegal) firecrackers since this morning. Arghh. I have neighbors that do that, too. What can you possibly get out of them during daylight hours? A big bang? gggggrrrrr
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Cathy Friedmann - 04 Jul 2004 00:55 GMT > In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.health+behav", "Cathy > Friedmann" <clfr@adelphia.net> artfully composed this message [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I have neighbors that do that, too. What can you possibly get out of > them during daylight hours? A big bang? gggggrrrrr That's about it, I guess. And the thrill of knowing they're doping some illegal, maybe? Makes a helluva racket, nothing else.
Cathy
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Mary - 06 Jul 2004 18:23 GMT Cathy Friedmann wrote in message >
>Oh, I like a good display of fireworks. If they're only mediocre, no big >deal. But some displays are great. IMO. When they are great, I get emotionally involved. If the NYC ones were good enough to look great on TV, I can only imagine how they would have been in person.
Laura R. - 17 Jul 2004 04:50 GMT circa Tue, 06 Jul 2004 17:23:35 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Mary (rosefan@email.com) said,
> >Oh, I like a good display of fireworks. If they're only mediocre, no big > >deal. But some displays are great. IMO. > > When they are great, I get emotionally involved. If the NYC ones were good > enough to look great on TV, I can only imagine how they would have been in > person. They were *great*, and I got to watch 'em from my living room. :-)
Laura
 Signature Experience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde
Mary - 06 Jul 2004 18:22 GMT Laura R. wrote in message ...
>I leave the state for New Year's Eve. The closest I want >to be to Times Square that night is cable television. Well, you curmudgeonly killjoy, I saw the NYC fireworks late that night on TV and they were gorgeous.
Laura R. - 17 Jul 2004 04:50 GMT circa Tue, 06 Jul 2004 17:22:28 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Mary (rosefan@email.com) said,
> >I leave the state for New Year's Eve. The closest I want > >to be to Times Square that night is cable television. > > Well, you curmudgeonly killjoy, I saw the NYC fireworks late that night on > TV and they were gorgeous. Indeed. Times Square still sucks, though. :-)
Laura
 Signature Experience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde
Mary - 03 Jul 2004 22:14 GMT "Veronica" <marrowjam@wildblueyonder.co.uk> wrote > Oh, of course, it's getting to your whizz-bang time, isn't it? Well Happy4th of July to all you Americans out there.
Thank you, Veronica. This year I've abandoned the weenies and burgers of tradition and am doing ribeyes on the grill with sliced home-grown tomatoes still warm from the sun and Silver Queen corn, salad, cole slaw, homemade rolls, baked potatoes, strawberry shortcake and pecan pie with vanilla ice cream. :-) No fireworks here, we are too uncoordinated.
Sherry - 03 Jul 2004 23:38 GMT >Thank you, Veronica. This year I've abandoned the weenies and burgers of >tradition and am doing ribeyes on the grill with sliced home-grown tomatoes >still warm from the sun and Silver Queen corn, salad, cole slaw, homemade >rolls, baked potatoes, strawberry shortcake and pecan pie with vanilla ice >cream. :-) No fireworks here, we are too uncoordinated. No fireworks here, either. Besides being uncoordinated, it hasn't rained enough and we don't have fire protection this far out. If sparks caught the house on fire, we'd just have to watch it burn. I hate the 4th of July. How unpatriotic that sounds. It's a horrible time to be a cat, a dog, a frog, a red-ant mound, or just about anything else that doesn't escape the imagination of a 12-year-old with a firecracker. Sherry
Mary - 06 Jul 2004 18:27 GMT >No fireworks here, either. Besides being uncoordinated, it hasn't rained enough and we don't have fire protection this far out. If sparks caught the house on fire, we'd just have to watch it burn.
I am so afraid of fire. And, like it seems everyone else does, we have an idiot firebug who sets off fireworks all year round. I have seen sparks rain down on our trees. He burns leaves too--inside Raleigh City limits!
>I hate the 4th of July. How unpatriotic that sounds. It's a horrible time to be a cat, a dog, a frog, a red-ant mound, or just about anything else that doesn't escape the imagination of a 12-year-old with a firecracker.
Sounds like you might be thinking about those puppies in the news who were killed. I still can't get over that. We don't have kids around here with firecrackers. They were illegal in NC until a couple of years ago. (So everyone went to SC, the firecracker capital of the world, to get them.)
Sherry - 06 Jul 2004 18:45 GMT >>I hate the 4th of July. How unpatriotic that sounds. It's a horrible time >to be a cat, a dog, a frog, a red-ant mound, or just about anything else >that doesn't escape the imagination of a 12-year-old with a firecracker. > >Sounds like you might be thinking about those puppies in the news who were >killed. I still can't get over that. Yes! That's exactly what I was thinking about.
Sherry
Mary - 06 Jul 2004 20:01 GMT >Yes! That's exactly what I was thinking about. Fully two days after I read about it I was driving on a narrow and busy street and the image of it came into my mind and I literally jumped at the horror of it--nearly swerving into a car. There are some things I cannot get my mind around. I don't think they will ever catch who did it, but if they did, what punishment? What punishment is bad enough. Honest to God, I think plain old death would be too good for them.
Veronica - 03 Jul 2004 23:42 GMT > "Veronica" <marrowjam@wildblueyonder.co.uk> wrote > Oh, of course, it's > getting to your whizz-bang time, isn't it? Well Happy4th of July to all you [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > rolls, baked potatoes, strawberry shortcake and pecan pie with vanilla ice > cream. :-) 8(((( Sounds wonderful.
No fireworks here, we are too uncoordinated.
If you can prepare all that you are not uncoordinated. I have never managed to make a happy muffin. The Muffin, proper, English, yes. I enjoy thumping the dough. Pastry and the American muffin... no. It's one of those great mysteries of life to me, pastry.
V
Mary - 06 Jul 2004 18:36 GMT Veronica wrote in message ...
>8(((( Sounds wonderful. It turned out nice! No rain and good food!
>No fireworks here, we are too uncoordinated. >> >If you can prepare all that you are not uncoordinated. Ahh, I am not the Domestic Goddess that my menu suggests! I had actually never grilled steaks but one of my guests had, so he took over. God never screws up homegrown tomatoes and silver queen corn from the Farmer's Market in July! And other friends brought the homemade pecan pie, tabouleh (sp., but first time I have had it and it is great!) and other good stuff. I bought--did not bake--the shortcake and thank goodness strawberries were in from California. It is past their season here.
>I have never managed to make a happy muffin. The Muffin, proper, English, yes.
What is a proper English Muffin?
And back to cats. :) Buddha was the hit of the day. She did not hide for long, she loves people so. She has taken to answering in kind when we scratch her spot at the base of her tail and say "Mow." So I had to show the guests, who were oooing and ahhing over her shiny black fur and white bikini, bib, nose star and boots. Put her down, one friend scratched her spot, she did the head wagging back and forth thing, and I said "Mow?" and Buddha threw her head back, looked up at me, and said "Mow!" I said "Mow mow?" and she did the same with 2 "mows." And so on with three "mows." It is hilarious. I think we should take her on Letterman's "Stupid Pet Tricks." She had the whole house laughing.
Cathy Friedmann - 01 Jul 2004 23:18 GMT > i wonder when is the best time to start bathing a cat, and is there > much need for that. the cats we have at home we don't bathe. i don't > think it's really possible to bathe Murka and keep your hands. > > -L Unless there's a definitive problem which requires a bath, no, you don't really need to bathe the kitten/cat. Under most circumstances they are remarkably clean creatures.
One other circumstance: Last night one of my cats was scooting her rear end across the floor. I picked her up & checked - yep, a clump of poop under her tail, all smooshed. After she'd used the litter box, apparently the last piece of poop didn't quite detach completely. She's long-haired, so it was well & truly mushed & stuck. (Lovely. <g>) I couldn't get it off her w/ tissues, so I resorted to dunking her back end into warm water in the bathroom sink. It took 3 batches of clean water/3 dunks to get her all cleaned up. She hated it, but it was the only way I could see to solve the problem.
Cathy
Cheryl - 02 Jul 2004 01:19 GMT In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.health+behav", "Cathy Friedmann" <clfr@adelphia.net> artfully composed this message within <news:2kjh4fF37ts4U1@uni-berlin.de> on 01 Jul 2004:
> After she'd used the litter box, apparently the > last piece of poop didn't quite detach completely. She's [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > She hated it, but it was the only way I could see to solve the > problem. I can't even do that with Shadow, so off to the vets for sanitary shaves every couple of months. As laid back as he is, only two things cause him to bite (hard): trying to clean his hiney, or clipping his claws. :)
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Len Albrecht - 02 Jul 2004 05:26 GMT Why do cats dislike water so much?
MadHatter - 02 Jul 2004 14:57 GMT >Why do cats dislike water so much? some cats like water
dgk - 02 Jul 2004 16:24 GMT >Why do cats dislike water so much? Just like everything else with cats, not all do. I used to have a cat who would climb into the shower with me. He didn't like having water spray on him, although it could hardly be completely avoided, but he loved playing with the water as it runs toward the drain. He also loved to play with a stream of water coming out of a sink. One of my current cats loves to watch the water when it is being flushed.
Cathy Friedmann - 02 Jul 2004 17:05 GMT > >Why do cats dislike water so much? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > loved to play with a stream of water coming out of a sink. One of my > current cats loves to watch the water when it is being flushed. Many (most?) cats love *watching* water - or playing with it w/ their paws - or drinking from a dribbling/running faucet, but most don't like to be _immersed_ in water.
Cathy
MadHatter - 04 Jul 2004 16:55 GMT >> >Why do cats dislike water so much? >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Cathy bengal cats actually do like to swim. they are derived from a wild cat - asian leopard cat - that lives near water and swims.
-L
Cathy Friedmann - 04 Jul 2004 17:08 GMT > >> >Why do cats dislike water so much? > >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > -L I've heard that Turkish Vans do, too. But I was saying in general, most cats don't like ot be immersed in water.
Cathy
Sherry - 04 Jul 2004 19:25 GMT >I've heard that Turkish Vans do, too. But I was saying in general, most >cats don't like ot be immersed in water. > >Cathy I think most cats who like water, just like it on their own terms. Like anything else they do. :-) My daughter's Maine Coon splashes in the toilet, tries to get in the bathtub with her, and loves to make a mess out of a running faucet. But a bath is another story.
Sherry
-L. : - 02 Jul 2004 05:45 GMT > > i wonder when is the best time to start bathing a cat, and is there > > much need for that. the cats we have at home we don't bathe. i don't [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Cathy Invest in some unscented, hypoallergenic baby wipes. You can use them to clean kitty butss without having to resort to dunking.
-L.
Sherry - 02 Jul 2004 05:51 GMT >detach completely. She's long-haired, so it >> was well & truly mushed & stuck. (Lovely. <g>) I couldn't get it off her [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >-L. Ugh. I remember when Cherokee had this problem. "Maaaa! Gross! Cherokee's got another Kling-on!" Of course, guess who always got the job of cleaning him up. Baby Wipes and a sanitary shave about every 4 months became routine.
Sherry
Cathy Friedmann - 02 Jul 2004 14:11 GMT > > > i wonder when is the best time to start bathing a cat, and is there > > > much need for that. the cats we have at home we don't bathe. i don't [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > -L. In this case, there was quite a lot of poop there, embedded in her hair. Not just surface stuff. I don't think the wipes would've done it.
Cathy
-L. : - 02 Jul 2004 05:49 GMT > > i wonder when is the best time to start bathing a cat, and is there > > much need for that. the cats we have at home we don't bathe. i don't [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > really need to bathe the kitten/cat. Under most circumstances they are > remarkably clean creatures. Correct. When I worked for the feline specialist, we only recommended bathing a cat if it seemed necessary (bad fleas, stud tail, after a body shave, oily/dirty fur, or if the cat got into something) and then not more often than a couple of times a year, max. If you bathe them too often, they may develop skin problems.
My Mimi is 14 and Peewee is 13 - they each have had two baths in their lifetime.
-L.
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Melissa Houle - 02 Jul 2004 06:39 GMT -SNIP>
> Correct. When I worked for the feline specialist, we only recommended > bathing a cat if it seemed necessary (bad fleas, stud tail, after a [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > -L. THe only time I bathed the late Isadora was when she accidentally got motor oil on herself. Not only did I not want her to clean herself with that gunk on her, but I wasn't crazy about the oily paw prints all over the apartment. I shampooed her clean as quickly as possible, but she was FURIOUS! It was the only time that sweet cat ever really growled at me.
I own both It's _A Cat's Life_ and _The New Natural Cat_ by Anitra Frazier, who is a cat groomer living in New York City. She is rather like the Martha Stewart of Cat Care--she does things for cats most cat-loving mortals would not. But she has some tips on bathing a cat that seem to make sense, if necessity dictates that the cat must be bathed. They are: Bathe the cat in a warm room. Attach a length of rubber hose to the sink spigot, and warm the sink or tub by running warm water into it before you add the cat, but do not ask the cat to stand IN water while you're bathing it--they hate this. Adjust the water temperature to about the same temperature at which you'd bathe a baby. Hold the hose in the palm of your hand, and keep your hand down in close to the cat as you wet the fur, but don't let the cat see water flying TOWARD it. A rubber matt or maybe the screen underfoot is a good idea to give the cat an extra feeling of security and traction and an assistant to hold the cat steady might also be helpful. Speak to the cat in a calm tone of voice, and even tell it what to expect as you bathe it. Give the cat lots of praise, and tell it how beautiful it will look when it's clean and dry. Anitra Frazier still has her arms and legs, so I assume her method works fairly well.
The rest of the time, I just point to the door hanger sign on my bedroom which states "The only self-cleaning thing around here is the cat." Panther has never had a human bathe him in his life. And yes, there is a reason I've always opted for short haired cats. =o)
Melissa
Jeannie - 02 Jul 2004 11:05 GMT > Correct. When I worked for the feline specialist, we only recommended > bathing a cat if it seemed necessary (bad fleas, stud tail, after a > body shave, oily/dirty fur, or if the cat got into something) and then > not more often than a couple of times a year, max. If you bathe them > too often, they may develop skin problems. Very true. My boss' pamper pooch is bathed at least 3 times a week and he has terrible eczema to the point that his constant scratching and biting at his skin draws blood. His owner can't seem to make the connection though and constantly says that she has to bath him as he smells "doggy" and then takes him to the vet to get expensive steroids for his skin!. This is an extreme case but I think that it illustrates that bathing of any animals should only be done when absolutely necessary.
Jeannie
Yngver - 02 Jul 2004 16:51 GMT >Correct. When I worked for the feline specialist, we only recommended >bathing a cat if it seemed necessary (bad fleas, stud tail, after a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >My Mimi is 14 and Peewee is 13 - they each have had two baths in their >lifetime. I agree. There is no reason to subject a cat or kitten to bathing unless there is a dire need (situations mentioned above). I personally can't see the point of subjecting a cat to that kind of stress just the owner wants to, and yes, it can dry out the skin and strip the fur of natural oils. The only situation in which regular bathing may be warranted is if the owner has a severe allergy, but I believe I've read that even the value of frequent bathing in that case is debateable.
Laura R. - 03 Jul 2004 05:54 GMT circa 02 Jul 2004 15:51:41 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Yngver (yngver@aol.comnospam) said,
> The only situation in > which regular bathing may be warranted is if the owner has a severe allergy, > but I believe I've read that even the value of frequent bathing in that case is > debateable. And simply wiping the cat with a damp washcloth daily (or every few days) will do just as much to help with allergies- without scaring the bejeebies out of the cat.
I say this as a person with lifelong, severe allergies. :-)
Laura
 Signature Experience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde
MacCandace - 04 Jul 2004 21:25 GMT << After she'd used the litter box, apparently the last piece of poop didn't quite detach completely. She's long-haired, so it was well & truly mushed & stuck. >>
Aww, they do the cutest things sometimes:)
Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail)
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Cathy Friedmann - 04 Jul 2004 21:41 GMT > << After she'd used the litter box, apparently the > last piece of poop didn't quite detach completely. She's long-haired, so it > was well & truly mushed & stuck. >> > > Aww, they do the cutest things sometimes:) Heh, heh. ;-?
Cathy
Mary - 01 Jul 2004 23:41 GMT > i wonder when is the best time to start bathing a cat, and is there > much need for that. Don't bathe her. She bathes herself.
hpickering@austin.rr.com - 02 Jul 2004 00:46 GMT >i wonder when is the best time to start bathing a cat, and is there >much need for that. the cats we have at home we don't bathe. i don't >think it's really possible to bathe Murka and keep your hands. > >-L Tried it once. Just a little 3 lb kitten. Good thing I did not have to have stitches in my arms. Anybody want to buy a bottle of cat shampoo? Just a tiny little bit used out of it.
Luvskats00 - 02 Jul 2004 09:15 GMT MadHatter devil_m@y_care.lost writes
>i wonder when is the best time to >start bathing a cat, and is there >much need for that. the cats we >have at home we don't bathe. Cats clean themselves. Unless you drop them in the mud, there is no need to bathe them. Is your cat a short hair? long hair?
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