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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / July 2004bringing a new kitten
my roommate is planning to get a kitten soon. i was going to get Shaina a friend myself, but i can't afford that now, so naturally, i was all excited about that. the problem is that the kitty his is getting is only 4 weeks old! this is way to young and Shaina might beat the crap out of her. he also wants to get the little one declawed! when i heard that, i was quite shocked. first, i can't imagine how a small kitten will get around without claws. she will not be able to learn how to jump on stuff unless she can climb first. they are not fuzzy cushions - they are cats! and he says that he loves cats! he said that at home, they get the hind paws of their cats declawed so that they can keep track of them easier so that cat's don't climb on trees too much. hun? since when is it a problem that a cat climbs up on a tree? and why would you let a partially declawed animal outside anyway, unless of course the area is confined. in any case, if he does get the new baby kitten declawed, Shaina might have her for dinner. i have no idea how she will react to a new kitten - she is all curious with new people, not fearful and very playful. still, given her jungle-like temperament, she might harm the kitten even during play. -L > my roommate is planning to get a kitten soon. i was going to get > Shaina a friend myself, but i can't afford that now, so naturally, i [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > -L Probably a stupid question but have you described to the roommate what they do when they declaw a cat? I've had a few people lately tell me they were thinking about declawing their cat. Seems they change their mind in a hurry when they find out it's an amputation. I think there are a lot of people who think it's no more complicated than having a toe nail removed and the vets don't seem to be giving them information to the contrary. W >Probably a stupid question but have you >described to the roommate what they do >when they declaw a cat? Description and pictures here: http://www.stopdeclaw.com Megan  Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray >> my roommate is planning to get a kitten soon. i was going to get >> Shaina a friend myself, but i can't afford that now, so naturally, i [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > >W this rationale for declawing is that "they've always had declawed cats" and "his father thinks it's best to declaw their hind paws because they use them from climbing and scratching". i'm confused. have you ever seen a cat without her front claws climb by using her hind claws? yeah, me neither. in any case, it doesn't matter because his sister, who is bringing the much to young kitten, convinced him not to declaw the animal. he was so blaze about the whole thing as if we were talking about giving a kitten a bath! he is all cutsey about babies and couples! when he just came here, i was thrilled that he loved cats! he does, in a really selfish way. -L circa Thu, 01 Jul 2004 11:55:56 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, MadHatter (devil_m@y_care.lost) said, > >> my roommate is planning to get a kitten soon. i was going to get > >> Shaina a friend myself, but i can't afford that now, so naturally, i [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > -L Is there any way that the sister can be convinced to leave the kitten with its mother, where it belongs, until it's old enough to be rehomed? Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde > my roommate is planning to get a kitten soon. i was going to get > Shaina a friend myself, but i can't afford that now, so naturally, i [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > -L You need to print out info on what declaw REALLY is...amputation. Go to www.stopdeclaw.com and have your roommate fully realize just what it is. If they are insistent, they should NOT get a kitten but home a declawed cat from a shelter (which there are many) and make sure they realize a cat is a commitment too. They can live to be 20 pluss years. They are as faithful or more faithful than a dog if you treat them well, but they won't be slaves to you they are a companion. It sounds like this person just doesn't have any idea and you could help educate them. I kind of wonder if your roommate is just trying to keep up wth the Jonses so to speak because you have a kitten. > my roommate is planning to get a kitten soon. i was going to get > Shaina a friend myself, but i can't afford that now, so naturally, i [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > still, given her jungle-like temperament, she might harm the kitten > even during play. First of all, I don't think any vet in his or her right mind would declaw a kitten at 4 weeks. Second, where is your roommate getting this kitten from? A shelter? A person who's cat had kittens? 4 weeks is waaaay too young to be away from its mother. If it has been separated from the mother for reason (mother died, or abandoned the kittens, etc), then the kitten should still be with its litter, and should be raised by someone who knows WTF they are doing. They are *just* old enough to start eating on their own, and still need to be supplemented with formula, if there is no mother. They also may need to be shown how to use the litterbox. To sum up, it is a bad idea for him to get a kitten this young. As far as declawing goes, just Google declawing and you will find a ton of information and awful pictures. Hopefully, this will persuade him not to declaw any future kittens/cats. Signature-Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net Check out www.snittens.com >my roommate is planning to get a kitten soon. i was going to get >Shaina a friend myself, but i can't afford that now, so naturally, i >was all excited about that. the problem is that the kitty his is >getting is only 4 weeks old! Ye gods. Hopefully it's 4 weeks old now, and will be 12-16 week when it comes home. Kittens cannot leave their moms before 8 weeks, and shouldn't leave until 12-16. They need that time to learn how to be good cats (litterbox, scratching post, etc) and how to interact with other cats (like bite inhibition, etc). > he also wants to get the little one >declawed! when i heard that, i was quite shocked. first, i can't [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >a cat climbs up on a tree? and why would you let a partially declawed >animal outside anyway, unless of course the area is confined. Please please please please talk him out of it. Send him to www.stopdeclaw.com -- it's a very factual site with a lot of explicit pictures. Declawing, as I am sure you know, is amputation and very very bad behaviorally and physically. Orchid See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage Want a Purebred Cat? Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid >>my roommate is planning to get a kitten soon. i was going to get >>Shaina a friend myself, but i can't afford that now, so naturally, i [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >how to be good cats (litterbox, scratching post, etc) and how to >interact with other cats (like bite inhibition, etc). oh no, she is 2 weeks now and will be 4 weeks when his sister is coming here to bring her. i can't imagine taking such a young kitten on a plane WITHOUT the mother! Shaina was too you g to be separated from her mother, but i got her from a kill shelter, so it's not like she could have waited to grow up. she is a smart kitty, but i will need extra work to teach her how to control her biting. she is perfect with her litter box and buries things REALLY deep and she uses her cat tower for scratching. plus i have this rug in my room that's just perfect for her claws and also a small one in the kitchen.. all of the kittens our Murka, the cat at my mom's, had were extremely well behaved because they had time to socialize. i don't think he understands that he'll have to be mother cat to her because his sisters took care of the kittens at home when he was little, so he only enjoyed the company of the cat. i tried to dissuade him from getting such a young kitten, but he doesn't really care. > >>my roommate is planning to get a kitten soon. i was going to get > >>Shaina a friend myself, but i can't afford that now, so naturally, i [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > only enjoyed the company of the cat. i tried to dissuade him from > getting such a young kitten, but he doesn't really care. Well, this is just WRONG then. I mean REALLY wrong. circa Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:46:08 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, MadHatter (devil_m@y_care.lost) said, > my roommate is planning to get a kitten soon. i was going to get > Shaina a friend myself, but i can't afford that now, so naturally, i [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > -L Dear dawg. Okay, first off, tell your apparently ignorant(*) roommate that four weeks is *far* too young an age for a kitten to be separated from its mother. *Twelve* weeks is an appropriate age, not *four*. If he thinks you're making it up, have him call a veterinarian or the humane society. They'll tell him that he's adopting a cat that is too young to be adopted. Second, have him take a look at Megan's site: http://www.stopdeclaw.com If he still wants to have his cat declawed after that, tell him to find another place to live. (*) Before anybody gets all fired up, the definition of ignorant: ig?no?rant ( P ) Pronunciation Key (gnr-nt) adj. Lacking education or knowledge. Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake. Unaware or uninformed. If nothing else works, a good right hook might help. ;-) Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde >circa Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:46:08 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, >MadHatter (devil_m@y_care.lost) said, [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >veterinarian or the humane society. They'll tell him that he's >adopting a cat that is too young to be adopted. i don't think he is going to change his mind about that. he is overly giddy and it seems that discussing something serious "bothers" him. >Second, have him take a look at Megan's site: >http://www.stopdeclaw.com > >If he still wants to have his cat declawed after that, tell him to >find another place to live. he is not declaring her. his sister convinced him not to. it would 've been a huge fight otherwise - he already signed the lease and we can't tell him to move out, >(*) Before anybody gets all fired up, the definition of ignorant: >ig·no·rant ( P ) Pronunciation Key (gnr-nt) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >mistake. >Unaware or uninformed. he is absolutely ignorant about cats. he's been quite misinformed by his father who decided to declaw their cats at home along while ago. silly boy thinks that just because he has cats living at home, he knows how to take care of them. well, his sisters took care of them. i suspect i'll be playing mother cat to the poor baby. i swear, if the kitty poops all over the place, i will put her poop into my roommate's food! >If nothing else works, a good right hook might help. ;-) lol :) he's already seen my right hook, so i'm sure he knows better than upsetting me. >Laura -L > >circa Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:46:08 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > >MadHatter (devil_m@y_care.lost) said, [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > i don't think he is going to change his mind about that. he is overly > giddy and it seems that discussing something serious "bothers" him. OK, this is a big ol' red alert that this person is NOT good news in any way shape or form. I hope you are not romantically attached. Is there anyway you can dissuade him from getting a kitten. This person is probably not mature enough to take care of himself let alone another being. >> >circa Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:46:08 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, >> >MadHatter (devil_m@y_care.lost) said, [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] >can dissuade him from getting a kitten. This person is probably not mature >enough to take care of himself let alone another being. oh no! i'm not at all involved with him! he is just someone from my boyfriend's class whom we got to move into our 4 bedroom, plus another person. but he does take care of him just fine. i don't really know him that well,but he seems like a generally nice person, who won't do anything bad to anyone, but doesnt' really care about anyone either. he has cat insurance all set up from his dad's work and he said he will be able to sign up Shaina for that too. -L circa Thu, 01 Jul 2004 13:39:55 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, MadHatter (devil_m@y_care.lost) said, > >> >circa Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:46:08 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > >> >MadHatter (devil_m@y_care.lost) said, [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > -L What is it that his dad does that provides family members with *pet* insurance? That just sounds kinda odd... Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde >circa Thu, 01 Jul 2004 13:39:55 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, >MadHatter (devil_m@y_care.lost) said, [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > >Laura he is a corporate attorney. he owns his firm. -L circa Thu, 01 Jul 2004 17:57:38 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, MadHatter (devil_m@y_care.lost) said, > >> oh no! i'm not at all involved with him! he is just someone from my > >> boyfriend's class whom we got to move into our 4 bedroom, plus another [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > he is a corporate attorney. he owns his firm. So is his dad just picking up the cost for his kid's pet insurance, or what? Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde >circa Thu, 01 Jul 2004 17:57:38 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, >MadHatter (devil_m@y_care.lost) said, [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >Laura i guess. his cats at home are insured, so he will add the new kitty to the insurance. we are students. -L circa Thu, 01 Jul 2004 20:47:49 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, MadHatter (devil_m@y_care.lost) said, > >> >> anything bad to anyone, but doesnt' really care about anyone either. > >> >> he has cat insurance all set up from his dad's work and he said he [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > i guess. his cats at home are insured, so he will add the new kitty > to the insurance. we are students. Gotcha. Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde circa Thu, 01 Jul 2004 12:13:32 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, MadHatter (devil_m@y_care.lost) said, > >Dear dawg. Okay, first off, tell your apparently ignorant(*) roommate > >that four weeks is *far* too young an age for a kitten to be [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > i don't think he is going to change his mind about that. he is overly > giddy and it seems that discussing something serious "bothers" him. Oy. How old is he? For some reason, he sounds quite young and sooner or later, he's going to have to learn that sooner or later, everybody has to discuss things that "bother" them. Perhaps you could print out a few articles on what all is involved with caring for such a young kitten. Maybe if he can read it without having to "discuss" it while he's doing so, he'll get a clue. > >Second, have him take a look at Megan's site: > >http://www.stopdeclaw.com [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > 've been a huge fight otherwise - he already signed the lease and we > can't tell him to move out, I can understand that. I'm glad his sister convinced him, because he really needs to get a better understanding of what he is doing. > >(*) Before anybody gets all fired up, the definition of ignorant: > >ig?no?rant ( P ) Pronunciation Key (gnr-nt) [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > the kitty poops all over the place, i will put her poop into my > roommate's food! I'd put it on his pillow, personally. And in his shoes. And on his dresser. And next to his bed. Maybe he'd get the point. ;-) > >If nothing else works, a good right hook might help. ;-) > > lol :) he's already seen my right hook, so i'm sure he knows better > than upsetting me. Heh. Sometimes fear is all you have to work with. ;-) Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde MadHatter devil_m@y_care.lost writes >"..my roommate is planning to get >a kitten soon....the kitty is only 4 >weeks old!....he also wants to get the little one >declawed! when i heard that, i >was quite shocked. first, i can't >imagine how a small kitten will get around without claws... he says that he [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >why would you let a partially declawed >animal outside anyway.." You describe a roomate who knows very little about kittens/cats and/or has been misguided for a long time. First, why is he getting a (4) four week old kitten? The kitten shouldn't be separated from the mother so young. Can you persuade him NOT to declaw? It's bad enough to declaw the front claws...but to think about declawing the back claws is just insane. His memory of having one or more of his pet indoor-outdoor cats with a back declaw means that he had parents or guardians that were just as misguided/insane. What are his reasons for getting a 4 week old kitten and having that kitten declawed? If he wants a cute decoration, he should go to home depot. Please do your best to try to stop his thoughts of adoption. >MadHatter devil_m@y_care.lost >writes [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >indoor-outdoor cats with a back declaw means that he had parents or guardians >that were just as misguided/insane. he is not declawing her, but i'm quite sure he will be getting her so young because his sister's cat had kittens, or his sister's friend's cat, or something, so his sister is visiting and bringing a kitten. he is under the impression that hind paws with claws are "very dangerous" and are the ones used for climbing primarily. he also thinks that all cats are afraid of water. well, sprinkling Shaina with water while she was trying to destroy the wall did not impress her much and Murka just loves to run around in the rain and come back dripping wet. if i am sprayed with water, i don't like it any more than any average cat. -L |
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