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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / July 2004Orange female cats??!
For a long time I was under the impression that all completely orange (as opposed to calicos with some orange) cats were males, just as the vast majority of all torties are female. But I have several strays that hang out in my back yard, and I've seen what I believed to be an undersized male nursing her kittens! Are orange females more common than I thought? Thanks for any info. Oh, and the kitty is sort of deep orange on top with some tabby orange stripings on the flanks. She is closest to the camera in this photo http://home.earthlink.net/~lazykat67/images/Dscn1899.jpg and appears on the right in this one http://home.earthlink.net/~lazykat67/images/Dscn1895.jpg > She is closest to the camera in this photo > http://home.earthlink.net/~lazykat67/images/Dscn1899.jpg > and appears on the right in this one > http://home.earthlink.net/~lazykat67/images/Dscn1895.jpg She's really beautiful. Might there be a rescue group in your area that could assist in trapping and spaying these cats, and maybe finding them homes? I had an orange tabby female. She was Sundance's sister -- Sundance is a male orange tabby-and-white. The YMCA named them Sundance and Cassidy because they assumed they were both males, but surprise! From what I've read, orange females are much more common than male calicos or tortoiseshells, but still unusual. Maybe that's changing, though. Those are gorgeous tortoiseshells! --- Sandy > For a long time I was under the impression that all completely orange > (as opposed to calicos with some orange) cats were males, just as the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > and appears on the right in this one > http://home.earthlink.net/~lazykat67/images/Dscn1895.jpg The torties' Mom is a real beauty. I'd take her in myself if she wasn't so feral. Plus my cat has gotten very territorial all of a sudden and wants to chase them. In February she darted between my legs as I was opening the door, ran to the back yard and attacked the momcat. I separated them before any harm was done. Supposedly, there are some "spay a stray" programs around Tucson that don't charge that much, so if I can trap her, I can take her in and get her fixed. And maybe her daughter, too. The darker tortie was killed by a car or a dog about a month ago. I found the poor thing two days later. >I had an orange tabby female. She was Sundance's sister -- Sundance is a >male orange tabby-and-white. The YMCA named them Sundance and Cassidy [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> and appears on the right in this one >> http://home.earthlink.net/~lazykat67/images/Dscn1895.jpg circa Mon, 28 Jun 2004 02:35:58 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, JPT (jpth0mps0n@hotmail.com) said, > For a long time I was under the impression that all completely orange > (as opposed to calicos with some orange) cats were males, just as the > vast majority of all torties are female. But I have several strays > that hang out in my back yard, and I've seen what I believed to be an > undersized male nursing her kittens! Are orange females more common > than I thought? Thanks for any info. The mamacat to my female dilute tortie and my buff (pale orange) male was also buff. I think orange males may be more common than orange females based purely on what I saw in Mamacat's litters and the other orange cats I've known, but there are definitely orange females. Laura  SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde circa Mon, 28 Jun 2004 02:35:58 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, JPT (jpth0mps0n@hotmail.com) said, > Oh, and the kitty is sort of deep orange on top with some tabby orange > stripings on the flanks. > She is closest to the camera in this photo > http://home.earthlink.net/~lazykat67/images/Dscn1899.jpg > and appears on the right in this one > http://home.earthlink.net/~lazykat67/images/Dscn1895.jpg She's lovely. She also appears to be pregnant, IMO. Any chance she is? Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde The photos were taken in March. I didn't even realize she might be pregnant because I assumed its a boy. She's got 3 orange kittens now. >circa Mon, 28 Jun 2004 02:35:58 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, >JPT (jpth0mps0n@hotmail.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Laura circa Mon, 28 Jun 2004 15:39:46 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, JPT (jpth0mps0n@hotmail.com) said, > The photos were taken in March. I didn't even realize she might be > pregnant because I assumed its a boy. She's got 3 orange kittens now. Well, I'll tell you from experience that a cat can, and will get pregnant while nursing kittens. Does she let you touch her? If so, can you feel her belly? If she's pregnant, it will be pretty obvious- her tummy will be very firm and lumpy and you'll likely see or feel movement if the kittens are big enough. If she's not pregnant, her tummy will be relatively soft and even-feeling. Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde > For a long time I was under the impression that all completely orange > (as opposed to calicos with some orange) cats were males, just as the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Oh, and the kitty is sort of deep orange on top with some tabby orange > stripings on the flanks. What great photographs! That cat looks just like my red tabby, TeddyCat. When we first got Teddy at age 10 weeks, the people who gave her to us thought she was male. The vet wasn't sure, so we named her Theodore. However, when we took her in to be spayed, it became apparent that she is in fact a TheodorA, so Teddy. Here's a pic: http://members.shaw.ca/thelorax/teddy.jpg circa Mon, 28 Jun 2004 04:05:40 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, The Lorax (thelorax@SPAMMENOTshaw.ca) said, > That cat looks just like my red tabby, TeddyCat. When we first got Teddy > at age 10 weeks, the people who gave her to us thought she was male. The [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > http://members.shaw.ca/thelorax/teddy.jpg Awwwww. SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde > > For a long time I was under the impression that all completely orange > > (as opposed to calicos with some orange) cats were males, just as the [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > http://members.shaw.ca/thelorax/teddy.jpg Wow. Beautiful! >For a long time I was under the impression that all completely orange >(as opposed to calicos with some orange) cats were males, just as the >vast majority of all torties are female. But I have several strays >that hang out in my back yard, and I've seen what I believed to be an >undersized male nursing her kittens! Are orange females more common >than I thought? Thanks for any info. Three of Paintball's sisters were orange... Magdalene IWG #1024/Drill Sgt. of Local 35/Soiled Doves of Colorado & IFoRP #57 KC MasterPiece of the KCRF BBQ Wenches One of Moonie's Naughty Kittens Red Gemini Ghetto Smurf "Don't mess with me, I dance with swords." To email me, remove my bodice > For a long time I was under the impression that all completely orange > (as opposed to calicos with some orange) cats were males, just as the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > and appears on the right in this one > http://home.earthlink.net/~lazykat67/images/Dscn1895.jpg Pretty girl. Yes, orange females do exist. WHile the majority I have seen are male, I'd say about 30% have been girls. -L. I think is kind of unusual too. Very pretty markings. > For a long time I was under the impression that all completely orange > (as opposed to calicos with some orange) cats were males, just as the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > and appears on the right in this one > http://home.earthlink.net/~lazykat67/images/Dscn1895.jpg 2/3rds of orange cats will be male. Mel > For a long time I was under the impression that all completely orange > (as opposed to calicos with some orange) cats were males, just as the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > and appears on the right in this one > http://home.earthlink.net/~lazykat67/images/Dscn1895.jpg circa Mon, 28 Jun 2004 12:52:22 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Melanie Harrison (merrybreezesfarm@aol.com) said, > 2/3rds of orange cats will be male. Corroboration? Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde | circa Mon, 28 Jun 2004 12:52:22 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, | Melanie Harrison (merrybreezesfarm@aol.com) said, |> |> 2/3rds of orange cats will be male. |> | Corroboration? I've heard other numbers, like 1/5. Theoretically the number could be 1/4, because (a) "red" coloring is determined by the X chromosome, and (b) the "red" trait tends to be recessive. So, for a female to be orange, she needs to have gotten orange X chromosomes from both parents. But this is a simplification. Buncha' links: http://www.fanciers.com/cat-faqs/tricolors.shtml http://www.hut.fi/u/lsarakon/catlinks.html > | circa Mon, 28 Jun 2004 12:52:22 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > | Melanie Harrison (merrybreezesfarm@aol.com) said, > |> > |> 2/3rds of orange cats will be male. You can never come up with a stat like that. What you can say is that of matings that might result in a male orange cat, if the Queen is orange, all male offspring will be orange. If the Queen is tricolor, 50% of the male offspring will be orange. It doesn't matter what color the Tom is. > | Corroboration? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > to be recessive. So, for a female to be orange, she needs to > have gotten orange X chromosomes from both parents. But if she is orange, so is her father, as as she must have inherited one recessive orange gene passed on by his one X chomosome (if he wasn't orange, none of his offspring could be). So Queen could be orange as well (homozygous recessive) or tricolored (heterozygous). The chance of her being orange is 100% if Queen is orange and 50% if Queen is tricolored. -L. > For a long time I was under the impression that all completely orange > (as opposed to calicos with some orange) cats were males, just as the > vast majority of all torties are female. But I have several strays > that hang out in my back yard, and I've seen what I believed to be an > undersized male nursing her kittens! Are orange females more common > than I thought? Thanks for any info. I've heard that 70% of all orange cats are male, but our shelter is seeing closer to half and half, lately. My two girls are both orange tabbies. Male torties or calicos aren't entirely unheard of, but they're a genetic mutation (from what I understand) and are sterile. |
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