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KellyH - 27 Jun 2004 22:46 GMT
Why, oh why, can't people follow directions?
The family that adopted Hushpad also have a lab (dog, not chemistry lab).  I
really did not forsee a problem with Hushpad and a dog, particularly a
large, friendly one.  Plus, the people went on about how they would probably
never meet anyway, as the dog stays in one area of the house and Hushpad was
going to be in another part. I advised the people to keep them separate at
first, then do a gradual introduction.  Apparently, Hushpad attacked the
dog, gave him some nasty scratches on his face.  The little girl got in the
middle of it, and also was scratched.  I got all of this second-hand, as
they brought her back to the shelter when I wasn't there.
Blah.  I guess it wasn't meant to be.  So, now Hushpad is only to go out to
a home with no other type of animal or small children.  I should have gone
with my gut and stuck with adult-only, quiet home. <sigh>

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Cathy Friedmann - 27 Jun 2004 22:48 GMT
Oh,  no... :-(  Are you going to foster her again?

Cathy

> Why, oh why, can't people follow directions?
> The family that adopted Hushpad also have a lab (dog, not chemistry lab).  I
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> a home with no other type of animal or small children.  I should have gone
> with my gut and stuck with adult-only, quiet home. <sigh>
KellyH - 27 Jun 2004 23:06 GMT
> Oh,  no... :-(  Are you going to foster her again?
>
> Cathy

She's going to go to another foster home that has no other cats or any pets,
so she won't have to stay in one room.  We're hoping to see how she does
having the run of the house.  Poor Hushpad.  I just want her to be happy.
:-(

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Betsy - 27 Jun 2004 23:03 GMT
Some people are incurably stupid, face it.

I would suggest that the cat must go to a home where previous cats have
lived to ripe old ages.

> Why, oh why, can't people follow directions?
> The family that adopted Hushpad also have a lab (dog, not chemistry lab).  I
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> a home with no other type of animal or small children.  I should have gone
> with my gut and stuck with adult-only, quiet home. <sigh>
Karen Chuplis - 27 Jun 2004 23:36 GMT
> Why, oh why, can't people follow directions?
> The family that adopted Hushpad also have a lab (dog, not chemistry lab).  I
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> a home with no other type of animal or small children.  I should have gone
> with my gut and stuck with adult-only, quiet home. <sigh>

Bugger :(
Sherry - 28 Jun 2004 01:00 GMT
Sorry about Hushpad. He'll get a second chance, though. Sometimes it just
happens that way. There's a loving home out there somewhere for a great cat
like that.

Sherry
Laura R. - 27 Jun 2004 23:40 GMT
circa Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:46:39 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
KellyH (Kelly@whatever.com) said,
> Why, oh why, can't people follow directions?
> The family that adopted Hushpad also have a lab (dog, not chemistry lab).  I
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> a home with no other type of animal or small children.  I should have gone
> with my gut and stuck with adult-only, quiet home. <sigh>

Why are people so stupid? Cripes. Did they think you were just
pulling those instructions out of the ether?

Laura
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Mary - 28 Jun 2004 00:48 GMT
> Why, oh why, can't people follow directions?

Poor hushpad.
m. L. Briggs - 28 Jun 2004 01:11 GMT
>> Why, oh why, can't people follow directions?
>
>Poor hushpad.

TuTu and I shall pray and purr for Hushpad to find a
peaceful loving home.  MLB
Mary - 28 Jun 2004 02:23 GMT
> >> Why, oh why, can't people follow directions?
> >
> >Poor hushpad.
> >
> TuTu and I shall pray and purr for Hushpad to find a
> peaceful loving home.  MLB

Me too. I thought she was off to a good start, but I guess not. I hope this
time she might be with a foster parent who enjoys her affectionate nature.
KellyH - 28 Jun 2004 03:37 GMT
> Me too. I thought she was off to a good start, but I guess not. I hope this
> time she might be with a foster parent who enjoys her affectionate nature.

<sigh>
I do enjoy her affectionate nature.  However, there is a difference between
affection and being overly clingy.  My job as a foster parent is to help a
cat become adoptable, whether that is socializing a feral or helping a cat
that is so clingy she won't let you do anything except pay attention to her.
I was making some progress with Hushpad.  She would actually just sit on my
lap for a period of time, instead of walking back and forth  in front of my
face. This cat, as much as I love her, has some issues.  I discussed it with
the cat coordinator and the other foster parents, and we felt it would be
best to have her in a foster home as an only pet, instead of in my house
where I have 6 of my own cats, and now a litter of 3.  This would be too
much stress for her at this time.

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Mary - 28 Jun 2004 03:51 GMT
> > Me too. I thought she was off to a good start, but I guess not. I hope
> this
> > time she might be with a foster parent who enjoys her affectionate nature.
>
> <sigh>
> I do enjoy her affectionate nature.

Touchy touchy. Know how to use your
killfile, Kelly? Why not put me in it so that
I don't huwt you widdle feewings any more.

You were the first person in years that I
had seen complain about Hushpad's
"clingy" nature. I thought it sucked then
and I still do.
KellyH - 28 Jun 2004 04:13 GMT
> Touchy touchy. Know how to use your
> killfile, Kelly? Why not put me in it so that
> I don't huwt you widdle feewings any more.

Yes, I do.  Message - Block Sender.  I very rarely killfile people.  There's
only a few I have over the years, and that's because they were outright
trollers, that Puppy Wizard guy and Mars Project, that's it.
For the record, you did not hurt my feelings.  I was trying to better
explain the situation.

> You were the first person in years that I
> had seen complain about Hushpad's
> "clingy" nature. I thought it sucked then
> and I still do.

You can think it sucks all you want.  I never, ever, complained about
Hushpad.  I was looking for assistance in helping her, that's all.  Being
overly clingy can be a potential drawback in someone wanting to adopt a cat.
I'll be honest, it's not something I have come across that much in
fostering.  Usually, I'm trying to socialize a cat.

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KellyH - 28 Jun 2004 04:40 GMT
"Mary" wrote:
> > You were the first person in years that I
> > had seen complain about Hushpad's
> > "clingy" nature. I thought it sucked then
> > and I still do.

Then I said:

> You can think it sucks all you want.  I never, ever, complained about
> Hushpad.  I was looking for assistance in helping her, that's all.  Being
> overly clingy can be a potential drawback in someone wanting to adopt a cat.
> I'll be honest, it's not something I have come across that much in
> fostering.  Usually, I'm trying to socialize a cat.

Mary, or whatever your name really is, I went back and re-read my message
about Hushpad being clingy.  I will admit, it did sound like I was
complaining.  I was a bit frustrated at that point.  It is hard when you're
home most of the day, and you can hear your foster cat crying to get out of
the room, or for you to come back to the room, but you can't spend *all*
your time with her.  I felt like I was doing a bad job as a foster mother,
and given the behavior I was experiencing, wasn't sure who would want to
adopt a cat that was that much all over you.  When you foster a cat, it is
up to you to get that cat ready for adoption.  I was just trying to help her
be as adoptable as possible.
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Laura R. - 28 Jun 2004 05:37 GMT
circa Mon, 28 Jun 2004 03:40:27 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
KellyH (Kelly@whatever.com) said,
> "Mary" wrote:
> > > You were the first person in years that I
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> up to you to get that cat ready for adoption.  I was just trying to help her
> be as adoptable as possible.

Don't stress it. It's clear that you really want the best for Hushpad
and put a lot of effort into helping her.

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Mary - 28 Jun 2004 13:28 GMT
> circa Mon, 28 Jun 2004 03:40:27 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
> KellyH (Kelly@whatever.com) said,
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> >
> Don't stress it. It's clear that you really want the best for Hushpad and
put a lot of effort into helping her.

To be honest, I know that too. But since Kelly H. enjoyed hopping on the
Megan-HamCrotch-Twit bandwagon, she can very well learn that if you can dish
it out but you can't take it you need to hand in your f*cking spoon.

All I did was make a comment to Len--who I am still not sure was really the
Pillar-of the Community Len who shows up all over the web--that had nothing
to do with loudmouth Megan or the other a.sholes who chimed in. My last
point on this matter is that I still suspect a WebTV-using cretin (is there
any other kind?) is using his name to discredit both him and his son. If
not, I am still curious as hell about anyone who would use both a computer
and a webbie unit to post to Usenet. I mean, think about it.
KellyH - 28 Jun 2004 13:49 GMT
> All I did was make a comment to Len--who I am still not sure was really the
> Pillar-of the Community Len who shows up all over the web--that had nothing
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> not, I am still curious as hell about anyone who would use both a computer
> and a webbie unit to post to Usenet. I mean, think about it.

Actually, I know some really good posters on this and other ng's who use
WebTV.  A couple have said they also have a computer, but prefer to do their
web/Usenet surfing through WebTV, since it's hooked up to the TV and easy to
use from the couch.  I've never used it, so I can't really comment.
Honestly, I see more spammers/trollers/idiots from other ISP's than from
WebTV.

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Mary - 28 Jun 2004 14:03 GMT
> > All I did was make a comment to Len--who I am still not sure was really
the Pillar-of the Community Len who shows up all over the web--that had
nothing to do with loudmouth Megan or the other a.sholes who chimed in. My
last point on this matter is that I still suspect a WebTV-using cretin (is
there any other kind?) is using his name to discredit both him and his son.
If  not, I am still curious as hell about anyone who would use both a
computer and a webbie unit to post to Usenet. I mean, think about it.

> Actually, I know some really good posters on this and other ng's who use
WebTV.

Funny, all I seem to run into are people who post in the
stupid and annoying html like Len did, with the black background and the
weather forecast and bat wings flapping, or DEF LEOPARD RULES or some such
idiocy.

>A couple have said they also have a computer, but >prefer to do their
web/Usenet surfing through WebTV, >since it's hooked up to the TV and easy
to use from the >couch.  I've never used it, so I can't really comment.

Len has cleared this up. I feel much better now. His wife got the computer
so "the child" can study, and so now Len has the WebTV unit so the child can
recommend we hit cats who eliminate improperly in the head with bricks.

> Honestly, I see more spammers/trollers/idiots from other ISP's than from
> WebTV.

I think it has been more than adequately demonstrated in this thread alone
that idiots are everywhere.
Cathy Friedmann - 28 Jun 2004 15:18 GMT
> > > All I did was make a comment to Len--who I am still not sure was really
> the Pillar-of the Community Len who shows up all over the web--that had
> nothing to do with loudmouth Megan or the other a.sholes who chimed in. My
> last point on this matter is that I still suspect a WebTV-using cretin (is
> there any other kind?)

Actually, I suspect "Yes".  You're using a broad, broad, brush, IMO. It was
rather heavily promoted for a while, in '96 - 98-ish.  I looked into WebTV
before purchasing a PC, & seriously considered it for a while before I
decided that in reality, I'd wind up wanting a desktop after learning the
basics, so... bypassed WebTV.

for  is using his name to discredit both him and his son.
> If  not, I am still curious as hell about anyone who would use both a
> computer and a webbie unit to post to Usenet. I mean, think about it.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> weather forecast and bat wings flapping, or DEF LEOPARD RULES or some such
> idiocy.

From what I understrand (Not having 1st-hand knowledge, just based on others
who've posted in html from WebTV & then had to find how not to), it's a lot
more difficult to do settings for NGs using WebTV.

> >A couple have said they also have a computer, but >prefer to do their
> web/Usenet surfing through WebTV, >since it's hooked up to the TV and easy
> to use from the >couch.  I've never used it, so I can't really comment.

This was one of the aspects that semi-lured me to it before I decided on
what to buy; not being chained to a desk in order to use it.

Cathy

> Len has cleared this up. I feel much better now. His wife got the computer
> so "the child" can study, and so now Len has the WebTV unit so the child can
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> I think it has been more than adequately demonstrated in this thread alone
> that idiots are everywhere.
Laura R. - 28 Jun 2004 16:57 GMT
circa Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:18:00 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Cathy Friedmann (clfr@adelphia.net) said,
> > >A couple have said they also have a computer, but >prefer to do their
> > web/Usenet surfing through WebTV, >since it's hooked up to the TV and easy
> > to use from the >couch.  I've never used it, so I can't really comment.
>
> This was one of the aspects that semi-lured me to it before I decided on
> what to buy; not being chained to a desk in order to use it.

I have a laptop and a couple of rolling bedside/couchside laptop
"tables". My own version of WebTV. :-)

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Cathy Friedmann - 28 Jun 2004 17:06 GMT
> circa Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:18:00 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
> Cathy Friedmann (clfr@adelphia.net) said,
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Laura

I also considered a laptop back then - takes up much less space, portable,
etc., etc.  But, the prices nixed the idea.  Desktops were - & I think still
are, despite laptop prices coming down - considerably less expensive.  In
'98, it was $2K Vs. $3K.  I chose the $2K (& still have it).

Cathy
Laura R. - 28 Jun 2004 18:01 GMT
circa Mon, 28 Jun 2004 12:06:00 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Cathy Friedmann (clfr@adelphia.net) said,
> I also considered a laptop back then - takes up much less space, portable,
> etc., etc.  But, the prices nixed the idea.  Desktops were - & I think still
> are, despite laptop prices coming down - considerably less expensive.  In
> '98, it was $2K Vs. $3K.  I chose the $2K (& still have it).

No doubt about it- desktops are far less expensive than laptops. I
got an outstanding deal on this one, but that's rare when it comes to
laptops. You can get amazing blowout bargains on desktops, but with
laptops, you're lucky if they knock fifty bucks off the price. :-)

Laura
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MacCandace - 29 Jun 2004 02:53 GMT
<< But, the prices nixed the idea.  Desktops were - & I think still
are, despite laptop prices coming down - considerably less expensive.  In
'98, it was $2K Vs. $3K.  I chose the $2K (& still have it).

Cathy >>

I've bought my last 3 laptops on ebay and got smoking deals.  Plus, the sellers
were kind enough to leave all their cool software on them (even though that's
technically a no-no) so it was really a deal.

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Cathy Friedmann - 29 Jun 2004 02:59 GMT
> << But, the prices nixed the idea.  Desktops were - & I think still
> are, despite laptop prices coming down - considerably less expensive.  In
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> were kind enough to leave all their cool software on them (even though that's
> technically a no-no) so it was really a deal.

I don't have the knowledge or confidence, re: techie stuff, to buy that way.
After checking out umpteen computer magazines re: various systems &
components, & the Dell website - various options, I talked rather
extensively w/ a Dell rep, & bought new.

Cathy
-L. : - 28 Jun 2004 23:18 GMT
> > All I did was make a comment to Len--who I am still not sure was really
>  the
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Honestly, I see more spammers/trollers/idiots from other ISP's than from
> WebTV.

A lot of seniors use WebTV because it's really user-friendly and
inexpensive.  Same for others on a fixed or low income.
Broad-brushing any group as inferior based on their choice of net
access is just assinine.

-L.
-L. : - 28 Jun 2004 17:38 GMT
> "Mary" wrote:
> > > You were the first person in years that I
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> up to you to get that cat ready for adoption.  I was just trying to help her
> be as adoptable as possible.

I think most people - those of us who have done rescue at least -
totally understand/understood where you were coming from.  Such
situations can be incredibly frustrating - I know I have gone through
similar situations when potty training bottle babies - those pathetic
little faces mewing for more attention.   Pay no mind to the mindless,
Kelly.  You have done the right thing for little Hushpad.  Hopefully
the next foster can be home with her all day.

-L.
zuzu22@webtv.net - 28 Jun 2004 05:09 GMT
Kelly wrote:

>You can think it sucks all you want. I
>never, ever, complained about Hushpad. I
>was looking for assistance in helping her,
>that's all.

There's no need to explain yourself, Kelly. Those of us who have known
you since long before Mary reared her ugly head know that you are a
sweet and very caring individual that didn't complain and you were only
trying to help a very insecure, stressed, older cat that came from a
horrible, chaotic situation attain some calm and a feeling of security.
Mary has zero justification for her nastiness, and only does it because
you criticized her and are now on her shitlist.

Consider the source, and know that you have really helped Hushpad
progress and did what you could for her with her best interests in mind.
Because of your care and concern, she's a lot less stressed and more
adoptable, (and I'm sure you'll be of great help to the new foster home
so Hushpad settles in and feels secure.) That's something to be proud of
and we need more people like you who take action and make sacrifices to
help abandoned cats. While Mary spends (wastes) her time posting
ignorant, hateful, bitchy crap and trying to make everyone else just as
miserable as she is, you are making a wonderful contribution.

Megan

                                   
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Karen - 28 Jun 2004 17:26 GMT
> > Touchy touchy. Know how to use your
> > killfile, Kelly? Why not put me in it so that
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> I'll be honest, it's not something I have come across that much in
> fostering.  Usually, I'm trying to socialize a cat.

No kidding. My vet had teh most gorgeous young cat named Mr. Wiggins who got
brought to them because he was TOO cuddly!!!!!  He got adopted fairly
quickly .
Sherry - 28 Jun 2004 04:37 GMT
>I do enjoy her affectionate nature.  However, there is a difference between
>affection and being overly clingy.  My job as a foster parent is to help a
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>lap for a period of time, instead of walking back and forth  in front of my
>face. This cat, as much as I love her, has some issues.

I understand that. Some people *want* a really affectionate lapcat. Some prefer
an independent, more aloof one. I think the progress you've realized with
Hushpad is due to the love and attention she's gotten--she's getting more
secure and with that, less clingy. My Biskit, after 4 months, is finally a good
lapcat, and not quite so frantic about showing affection.
New problem, another cat though...what *does* one do with a frantic leg-rubber?
I mean, this cat has been accidentally kicked and stepped on (and practically
fallen on top of) enough you'd think he'd get the message. Not yet.

Sherry
Laura R. - 28 Jun 2004 04:53 GMT
circa Mon, 28 Jun 2004 02:37:57 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
KellyH (Kelly@whatever.com) said,
> <sigh>
> I do enjoy her affectionate nature.  However, there is a difference between
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> where I have 6 of my own cats, and now a litter of 3.  This would be too
> much stress for her at this time.

That makes sense, and it may make it easier to get her to be a little
less clingy as she might not feel like she has to fight for
attention.

Laura
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MacCandace - 28 Jun 2004 06:08 GMT
<<  I discussed it with
the cat coordinator and the other foster parents, and we felt it would be
best to have her in a foster home as an only pet, instead of in my house
where I h >>

Well, maybe the foster parent will fall in love with her.  I think it's
interesting that someone who has no cats of their own chooses to do fostering.
That's good, don't get me wrong, but just seems peculiar to me.  When I read
your heading, I thought something horrible had happened to Hushpad and then as
I read on, I thought maybe she was attacked so I was relieved that it was what
it was.  At least she is fortunate enough to be with a rescue group that won't
kill her and at least the people brought her back instead of tossing her out
somewhere.  I'm sure, in time, she will find happiness...and maybe with the
fosterer.

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KellyH - 28 Jun 2004 13:56 GMT
> Well, maybe the foster parent will fall in love with her.  I think it's
> interesting that someone who has no cats of their own chooses to do fostering.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> somewhere.  I'm sure, in time, she will find happiness...and maybe with the
> fosterer.

This person recently lost a cat to some type of illness, can't remember what
it is off the top of my head, and isn't ready to adopt her own cat yet.
Maybe she will fall in love with Hushpad, who knows?  That would be great
:-)

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-L. : - 28 Jun 2004 07:56 GMT
> > Me too. I thought she was off to a good start, but I guess not. I hope
>  this
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> where I have 6 of my own cats, and now a litter of 3.  This would be too
> much stress for her at this time.

FWIW, I think you made the right decision.  Sounds like Hushpad is
*really* needy - and needs lots of one-on-one to feel secure.  Maybe a
retired couple?

-L.
Laura R. - 28 Jun 2004 08:09 GMT
circa 27 Jun 2004 23:56:48 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, -L.
: (usenetlyn@yahoo.com) said,
> > <sigh>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> *really* needy - and needs lots of one-on-one to feel secure.  Maybe a
> retired couple?

I think an elderly person would be *perfect* for Hushpad. Maybe an ad
in a senior center would help find her a home. Not a retirement home
where people live there and usually can't have pets- a senior center
where people who live on their own get together to play cards and do
other, well, old people stuff. :-)

Laura
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KellyH - 28 Jun 2004 13:53 GMT
> I think an elderly person would be *perfect* for Hushpad. Maybe an ad
> in a senior center would help find her a home. Not a retirement home
> where people live there and usually can't have pets- a senior center
> where people who live on their own get together to play cards and do
> other, well, old people stuff. :-)

Our shelter is working with a local senior center to come up with some type
of seniors-pets adoption event.  We currently have a number of cats that
would be great for seniors!  Hushpad being one of them :)

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Laura R. - 28 Jun 2004 15:04 GMT
circa Mon, 28 Jun 2004 12:53:26 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
KellyH (Kelly@whatever.com) said,

> > I think an elderly person would be *perfect* for Hushpad. Maybe an ad
> > in a senior center would help find her a home. Not a retirement home
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> of seniors-pets adoption event.  We currently have a number of cats that
> would be great for seniors!  Hushpad being one of them :)

Somehow I figured my idea wasn't an epiphany. ;-)

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Karen - 28 Jun 2004 17:08 GMT
When she is by herself, can you run a radio or TV? This might quiet her down
for when she is with people because maybe she won't have felt she was
"alone".

Karen

> > Me too. I thought she was off to a good start, but I guess not. I hope
> this
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> where I have 6 of my own cats, and now a litter of 3.  This would be too
> much stress for her at this time.
PawsForThought - 28 Jun 2004 01:53 GMT
>From: "KellyH" Kelly@whatever.com

>  I should have gone
>with my gut and stuck with adult-only, quiet home. <sigh>

Aww, poor Hushpad.  So sorry it didn't work out, Kelly.  I hope there's a
forever home for Hushpad soon, and one where the people actually listen to
instructions.

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zuzu22@webtv.net - 28 Jun 2004 03:03 GMT
Kelly wrote:
>I advised the people to keep them
>separate at first, then do a gradual
>introduction. Apparently, Hushpad
>attacked the dog, gave him some nasty
>scratches on his face. The little girl got in
>the middle of it, and also was scratched.

I'm really sorry to hear this. The reality is that people just don't
seem to pay attention. I think that it's very important to not only give
people detailed instructions about doing introductions, but do it in
writing and go over it with them in person.
What is equally if not *more* important, is to make sure people
understand what can and often WILL happen if these instructions are
*not* followed, along with what to do if disaster strikes. I think often
we're so busy explaining what to do that we forget the importance of
telling people what NOT to do.

Whenever I help someone do an introduction, I always stress that it's
better to be safe than sorry, and moving too fast is generally a recipe
for disaster. I also explain that there are exceptions where
introductions happen quickly and without any problems, but they are
rare. Taking chances, rushing and ending up with a disaster is stupid
(and yes, I am blunt on that point), when simply being patient and
taking a couple of weeks to ensure things go smoothly is the sensible
thing to do and ensures better than good odds that you'll have success.

I also make sure people know to never, ever, ever get in the middle of a
fight, and to instead grab the nearest pillow, chair cushion, or
whatever and get it between the animals, then herd one away.

Even though this home didn't work out for Hushpad, I would like to think
of it as a blessing in disguise and believe it just means there is a
*better* home for her  just around the corner.

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KellyH - 28 Jun 2004 03:54 GMT
> I'm really sorry to hear this. The reality is that people just don't
> seem to pay attention. I think that it's very important to not only give
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> taking a couple of weeks to ensure things go smoothly is the sensible
> thing to do and ensures better than good odds that you'll have success.

People get so excited about their new pet that they forget everything we
tell them sometimes.  I told the adopters the whole episode of what happened
with my cats, as I wanted them to know everything about Hushpad, and really
make sure this was the cat for them.  I also explained that as far as we
knew, she had not been around a dog, so it was a giant question mark as to
how she would react to the dog.

> I also make sure people know to never, ever, ever get in the middle of a
> fight, and to instead grab the nearest pillow, chair cushion, or
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> of it as a blessing in disguise and believe it just means there is a
> *better* home for her  just around the corner.

I hope so, Megan.  She is a special girl who really needs the right home.
Now I know even more to trust my instincts.  There was a little voice in the
back of my head about this one.  The girl was sooo sweet with Hushpad, and
the parents said all the right things, it made me think this would work.

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Tracy - 28 Jun 2004 07:40 GMT
Geez. That is really sad. I feel for her (and for you). I know what
it's like to love a little thing despite it's "issues" and work with
it to try to help and how your hopes get really high and then come
crashing down. I work with lots of troubled cats and you just hope
that somehow a person will come along who will have the patience to
bring out the beautiful cat inside.

I'm sure that your work with Hushpad DID make her more adoptable and
will stay with her on the way to the right home.

I adopted one perfect cat and one with major issues - and as much as I
adore the perfect one, the troubled cat (who is doing beautifully now)
will always have a very special place in my heart. (She's sitting in
the sink right now and smiling over at me - as only a creature that
out you through months of hell can do).

Thank you for what you did with her as a foster mom.
Laura R. - 28 Jun 2004 07:55 GMT
circa 27 Jun 2004 23:40:14 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Tracy (twrl2001@yahoo.com) said,
> I adopted one perfect cat and one with major issues - and as much as I
> adore the perfect one, the troubled cat (who is doing beautifully now)
> will always have a very special place in my heart. (She's sitting in
> the sink right now and smiling over at me - as only a creature that
> out you through months of hell can do).

As I've said before, I truly believe that the extra work you have to
put into the tough ones makes you grow extra love for them to balance
the equation.

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Sunflower - 28 Jun 2004 17:35 GMT
> Why, oh why, can't people follow directions?
> The family that adopted Hushpad also have a lab (dog, not chemistry lab).  I
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> a home with no other type of animal or small children.  I should have gone
> with my gut and stuck with adult-only, quiet home. <sigh>

What type of adoption screening does your group do?  We do occasionally have
an animal returned, but our screening is rigorous enough that it's very
rare. We do home visits and vet references, and we're a Humane Society that
operates out of a kill City Shelter.  If a dog is in a home already that has
passed those criteria, then the dog is viewed interacting with the possible
new housemate before OKing the final adoption.  We also require 2 out of 3
members of the Adoption Committee to aprove an adoption to any home with a
child under age 5.  Way too many people know how to tell you the right
things, all the while lying to your face.  Actually doing the background
checks removes that "I feel really good about this person" effect that can
sometimes lead to poor adoptions.

I'm not trying to slam you for hoping that this family was the right one,
but I am trying to show you the reasons that it was probably not a good
match from the beginning.  We get so attached to our foster babies that we
can't imagine anyone who wouldn't treat them the same as we do, so we tend
to believe what people tell us in regards to past pet ownership and
experience.  Adding that second layer of actual documention of past behavior
really really helps to remove some of the emotional element from the
adoption process and ultimately leads to better pet stewardship information
being disseminated into the community.  It can also lead to a few pissed off
people calling you ugly names and screaming at you, but that's a real
minority, although a memorable one.  Most folks that aren't "top flight"
adoption candidates,  just need educating, and that's as important a mission
for other animals in the community as it is that our animals find the right
homes.
KellyH - 28 Jun 2004 19:12 GMT
> What type of adoption screening does your group do?  We do occasionally have
> an animal returned, but our screening is rigorous enough that it's very
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> checks removes that "I feel really good about this person" effect that can
> sometimes lead to poor adoptions.

I really, really, REALLY wish the shelter I'm with had a more rigorous
screening process and maybe even did home visits.  What we do currently is
have them fill out an application, and interview them asking the standard
questions:  What is your pet-owning history? Will the cat be allowed
outside? (we say that so they don't automatically say indoor-only just to
make us happy), Are all your current pets spayed/neutered?

They do home visits with the dogs, but not with the cats.  Just curious, is
your group all-volunteer, or do you have any paid staff?  Ours is
all-volunteer, so that is the main reason we don't do home visits or check
*every* vet reference.  If an adopter is questionable, then we call the vet
references.  I've suggested tighter screening policies, but it gets shot
down because of the all-volunteer aspect.  They say we just don't have the
people power to do it.

> I'm not trying to slam you for hoping that this family was the right one,
> but I am trying to show you the reasons that it was probably not a good
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> for other animals in the community as it is that our animals find the right
> homes.

I TOTALLY agree.  In my opinion, no one should take home a cat *that* day.
They should have to apply, get screened, then come back and pick up the cat.
This gives the adopter time to really think it over, and eliminates impulse
adoptions (esp with kittens!) and for a first-time or less educated pet
owner, we can give them some materials to read and help them set up their
home for the new kitty.  This would, of course, take a lot of time, and with
the current amount of volunteers, I just don't see it happening.

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Sunflower - 28 Jun 2004 19:51 GMT
> > What type of adoption screening does your group do?  We do occasionally
> have
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> down because of the all-volunteer aspect.  They say we just don't have the
> people power to do it.

We're a very small Humane Society.  Our Board consists of 15 members, and
right now, we're only at 11.  Those 11 and maybe 5-6 other adult volunteers
are about it when it comes to doing *real* work at the shelter.  The
Adoption Committe consists of 3 members, and they are the ones that do the
vet references and home visits, and that's pretty much all they do.  Anyone
can take an adoption application, but the Adoption Committe is the one to
process it and talk with the prospective adoptor.  That again adds another
balance to emotions swaying an adoption.  Applications typically take 5-7
days to process because everyone is a volunteer and does have a real life.
In additon, not all of our animals are spay/neutered on the front end.
Sometimes we have to wait for that adoption fee in order to schedule the
operations and be able to pay the vet.   And we operate out of an open
admissions City Shelter in the South that is not a no kill operation.  We
work darn hard, and have kept our euthanasia rate at 13%, and that is *with*
the more rigorous screening process.

> > I'm not trying to slam you for hoping that this family was the right one,
> > but I am trying to show you the reasons that it was probably not a good
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> home for the new kitty.  This would, of course, take a lot of time, and with
> the current amount of volunteers, I just don't see it happening.

Well, you do the vet reference first, and that takes maybe 10-15 minutes if
the adoptor hasn't lied to you and not included all of the vets they have
used. Sometimes they have been forgetful or less than truthful and you can't
proceed until they fill in the gaps.  If they pass the vet reference, then a
home visit is usally a formality that takes another 15 minutes tops.  No
sense in visiting a home of someone who doesn't pass a vet reference.  We
handle approximately 700 adoptions per year, and it doesn't work out to too
much of a burden on any one person so far, unless it's around Christmas when
additonal help is enlisted.  We have written vet reference questions to
enable other Board Members to assist if we get overwhelmed.  Any
"questionable" adoptions have to be kicked around by the Adoption Committee
and sometimes will go before the whole Board.

Here's a list of Vet Questions if you'd like to present them to your own
group.  In the end, it takes less time and energy to do this on the front
end than it does to try to work out a bad adoption on the hind end.

When is the first time they came to you? If they are recent new customers or
have animals older than the length of time at this vet, where did they go
previously to this vet? If they can't provide adequate documentation at the
vet listed, ask where else the animal may have a record and phone that vet..

How many animals do they have on record with you? If they have more animals
on file with the vet than they admit to in the questionnaire, what happened
to them? If they have fewer animals on file than they admit to, why haven't
these animals been to the vet?

Are all of the animals current with their rabies shots? By state law, all
dogs and cats must be vaccinated by a veterinarian with the rabies vaccine.
Individuals cannot legally give their own rabies vaccine.

What other vaccines have the animals received? Have the dogs been vaccinated
with 7-in-1 or other vaccine? Have the cats been vaccinated with 4-in-1?
What about feline leukemia or FIP for the cats? If they give their own
shots, what type of records do they maintain? A journal? A notation at their
vet's office?

Have any of the animals on record been treated for trauma? Has one of the
cats been hit by a car, or one of the dogs gotten into a fight? How serious
was the injury?

Do they have any aggressive animals? Has the animal ever injured anyone in
the office? Plenty of Chihuahua's are far worse biters than Rottweilers are,
so if they do have an aggressive animal, it's a judgement call whether or
not our animal could be safe with theirs.

Have any of the animals been treated for an illness that could have been
vaccinated against? Did they get a puppy mill dog that was only vaccinated
against distemper and it came down with Parvo? Is one of their cats feline
leukemia positive?

Have the customers purchased heartworm preventative from you? Are they
current in their purchases? Dogs need to be on heartworm preventative year
round in our climate.

Are their animals spayed and neutered? If not, why not? If they have mixed
breeds, there really is no good excuse. If they have purebreds, it's still
highly desirable but not absolutely required. If they have an unaltered
purebred, how many times has s/he been bred? If the dog has had puppies
every 6 months, there's a big problem. Having puppies because of the
financial rewards is the poorest possible reason to breed an animal. Once or
twice in 5 or 6 years time could be OK.

Have they met their financial obligations to you? People who have a hard
time affording vet care for the animals they already have don't need any
additional ones.

> --
KellyH - 28 Jun 2004 23:21 GMT
<snip excellent ideas/procedures>

I'm going to print out this post and bring it with me the next time we have
an adoption counselor meeting.  I really like the way your group handles
adoptions.  Thanks for the info.

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Sherry - 29 Jun 2004 00:33 GMT
>> What type of adoption screening does your group do?  We do occasionally
>have
[quoted text clipped - 54 lines]
>home for the new kitty.  This would, of course, take a lot of time, and with
>the current amount of volunteers, I just don't see it happening.

Kelly--I agree. One thing that's very good with prospectives is.. let them
talk. And let them keep talking. The undesirables will usually hang themselves.
They'll tell you about how many kittens their rottweiler has killed, or how
many they've taken to shelters, or how many litters Fluffy had last year before
she got ran over.
And, you probably already know this, but people get really angry when they're
turned down. You just have to let it roll off.

Sherry
Cheryl - 28 Jun 2004 23:01 GMT
In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.health+behav", "KellyH"
<Kelly@whatever.com> artfully composed this message within
<news:3fHDc.119185$eu.49874@attbi_s02> on 27 Jun 2004:

> I got all of this second-hand, as
> they brought her back to the shelter when I wasn't there.
> Blah.  I guess it wasn't meant to be.  So, now Hushpad is only
> to go out to a home with no other type of animal or small
> children.  I should have gone with my gut and stuck with
> adult-only, quiet home. <sigh>

Kelly, I'm sorry that it didn't work out. I'm glad she is back so
soon though, because if left there too long in a situation she
couldn't handle, it could have really changed her. Happened to a
former foster I had. He was tormented by kids and he turned really
mean and scared, and was returned right around the time we were to do
a follow up, though I'd done a phone follow up and everything was
fine a couple of weeks after the adoption. I felt so bad for the poor
guy, and we actually *did* do a home visit.

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KellyH - 28 Jun 2004 23:31 GMT
> Kelly, I'm sorry that it didn't work out. I'm glad she is back so
> soon though, because if left there too long in a situation she
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> fine a couple of weeks after the adoption. I felt so bad for the poor
> guy, and we actually *did* do a home visit.

It's hard to look at the positives in a bad situation.  But, you're right,
at least she was returned early before something truly awful could have
happened, and they returned her to us instead of dumping her off outside or
at a kill shelter.

We had someone who adopted a cat from us (I didn't do the adoption, but it
was a very experienced volunteer).  This cat had been with us for a year
because she's tempermental, all-black, and needs to be an only cat with no
kids.  She was finally adopted, everything supposedly going well.  About 4-5
months later, we get a call from the MSPCA that one of our cats has been
turned in.  Not only that, but she had been declawed.  The explanation the
adopter gave the MSPCA for surrender was "he didn't have enough time for
her"  I bawled my eyes out all day over that one.  I don't know why the guy
never called us and said he was having issues.  We are all willing to go out
of our way to help adopters out when problems arise, or to take them back if
neccessary.

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Luvskats00 - 29 Jun 2004 04:19 GMT
blah@blah.com writes
>..I guess it wasn't meant to be.....I >should have gone
>with my gut and stuck with >adult-only, quiet home

So, why didn't you? That's the job of someone who is trying to find a suitable
home. One must figure that most (if not all) potential adopters will promise
the moon and then fold up like a house of cards.  You have to be the cautious
one. Now, poor Hushpad has a stigma..cause of poor family judgement.
Sherry - 29 Jun 2004 05:40 GMT
>blah@blah.com writes
>>..I guess it wasn't meant to be.....I >should have gone
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>the moon and then fold up like a house of cards.  You have to be the cautious
>one. Now, poor Hushpad has a stigma..cause of poor family judgement.

NY Writer, chiming in late to criticize. Yeah, maybe the newsgroup never
changes, after all.

Sherry
Laura R. - 29 Jun 2004 13:29 GMT
circa 29 Jun 2004 04:40:52 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Sherry
(sriddles@aol.comkitty) said,
> >blah@blah.com writes
> >>..I guess it wasn't meant to be.....I >should have gone
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> NY Writer, chiming in late to criticize. Yeah, maybe the newsgroup never
> changes, after all.

Oh, this is NYWriter's new name?

Laura
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Sherry - 29 Jun 2004 14:34 GMT
>Oh, this is NYWriter's new name?
>
>Laura

Heh. Yeah. Can't you *tell*? :-)

Sherry
Laura R. - 30 Jun 2004 00:21 GMT
circa 29 Jun 2004 13:34:26 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Sherry
(sriddles@aol.comkitty) said,
> >Oh, this is NYWriter's new name?
> >
> >Laura
>
> Heh. Yeah. Can't you *tell*? :-)

Well, yeah, actually. :-)

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Mary - 29 Jun 2004 18:03 GMT
"Laura R." <UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com> wrote > Oh, this
is NYWriter's new name?

Dang, Laura, this was decided months ago. You must have been gainfully
engaged at that time.
Laura R. - 30 Jun 2004 00:22 GMT
circa Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:03:46 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Mary (rosefan@email.com) said,

> "Laura R." <UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com> wrote > Oh, this
> is NYWriter's new name?
>
> Dang, Laura, this was decided months ago. You must have been gainfully
> engaged at that time.

And in one more week, I will be again! Yay! (Provided Friday's x-rays
don't show bones messed up or screws loose <G>)

Laura
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Cathy Friedmann - 30 Jun 2004 00:27 GMT
> circa Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:03:46 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
> Mary (rosefan@email.com) said,
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Laura

You really left yourself open on this last one... ;-)

Good luck.

Cathy
Laura R. - 30 Jun 2004 01:01 GMT
circa Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:27:23 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Cathy Friedmann (clfr@adelphia.net) said,

> > And in one more week, I will be again! Yay! (Provided Friday's x-rays
> > don't show bones messed up or screws loose <G>)
> >
> > Laura
>
> You really left yourself open on this last one... ;-)

Yeah, I try to give out one freebie a day. ;-)

> Good luck.

Thanks! It feels pretty good, but I'm a bit concerned because it's
not quite looking like it did after the surgery. In fact, it looks
like it did before surgery, and I'm pretty sure that isn't the
intention of slicing all the bones up and screwing 'em back together.

Laura

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Annie Wxill - 30 Jun 2004 02:14 GMT
> circa Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:27:23 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
> Thanks! It feels pretty good, but I'm a bit concerned because it's
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Laura

Laura,
I hope your foot heals and you do not need additional surgery.  The whole
thing sounds very painful.  I'm sure you will be happy to literally get back
on your feet.
Annie
Laura R. - 30 Jun 2004 03:30 GMT
circa Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:14:02 -0500, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Annie Wxill (Annie_Wxill@hotmail.com) said,

> > circa Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:27:23 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
> > Thanks! It feels pretty good, but I'm a bit concerned because it's
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> on your feet.
> Annie

Thanks, Annie. I'm definitely ready to get back to normal, or at
least back to wearing shoes on both feet. :-) I'm not relishing
having to do this all over again for the other foot, and if I have to
go through it a second time for this foot, I'll be one unhappy camper
(and so will my employer!). I'm sure that the foot that has already
been operated on will be fine; I'm just stressing 'cause it looks
funky. :-)

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Mary - 30 Jun 2004 00:55 GMT
"Laura R." <UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com> wrote > >
> And in one more week, I will be again! Yay! (Provided Friday's x-rays
don't show bones messed up or screws loose <G>)

Hope it goes well.
Laura R. - 30 Jun 2004 01:18 GMT
circa Tue, 29 Jun 2004 23:55:03 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Mary (rosefan@email.com) said,
> > And in one more week, I will be again! Yay! (Provided Friday's x-rays
> don't show bones messed up or screws loose <G>)
>
> Hope it goes well.

Muchas gracias. I do, too, 'cause one operation per foot is more than
enough, thank you very much. (Although I'll probably have to have
some other stuff done to this foot at some point, anyway.)

Laura
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Luvskats00 - 30 Jun 2004 07:41 GMT
Pssst....Luv's Kats has been my ID for over 14 months. Try to keep up.
Laura R. - 30 Jun 2004 18:10 GMT
circa 30 Jun 2004 06:41:32 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Luvskats00 (luvskats00@aol.com) said,
> Pssst....Luv's Kats has been my ID for over 14 months. Try to keep up.  

Most of your posts are so inane that I never had reason to give a
rat's behind who you were. Nothing to keep up with- it's called
"disinterest".

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Mary - 30 Jun 2004 22:20 GMT
> circa 30 Jun 2004 06:41:32 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
> Luvskats00 (luvskats00@aol.com) said,
> > Pssst....Luv's Kats has been my ID for over 14 months. Try to keep up.
> >
> Most of your posts are so inane that I never had reason to give a rat's
behind who you were. Nothing to keep up with- it's called  "disinterest".

Well, damn, Laura. I'm just going to have to go all huffy on you and tell
you that you do not take Usenet seriously enough. There is NO EXCUSE for
disinterest in the uninteresting, and a majority of people here feel the
same way.
Laura R. - 30 Jun 2004 23:06 GMT
circa Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:20:16 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Mary (rosefan@email.com) said,
> > > Pssst....Luv's Kats has been my ID for over 14 months. Try to keep up.
> > >
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> disinterest in the uninteresting, and a majority of people here feel the
> same way.

No worries; everybody already knows I'm abnormal. :-)

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Luvskats00 - 01 Jul 2004 05:58 GMT
Laura R. UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com writes

>"No worries; everybody already knows I'm abnormal."

Well, as long as we're all in agreement, there.
Laura R. - 01 Jul 2004 17:58 GMT
circa 01 Jul 2004 04:58:47 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Luvskats00 (luvskats00@aol.com) said,

> >"No worries; everybody already knows I'm abnormal."
>
> Well, as long as we're all in agreement, there.

Glass houses and all, dearie.

Laura
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Luvskats00 - 01 Jul 2004 05:57 GMT
Laura R. UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com writes

>"Most of your posts are so inane >that I never had reason to give a
>rat's behind who you were. Nothing >to keep up with- it's called
>"disinterest"."

Actually, you routinely ignore legitimate posts and rise up from the garbage
dump periodically. You wouldn't know a legitimate post if you had 45 weeks of
tutoring on the subject.  Many of my responses have been one's of sympathy and
include a link to either a petloss.com support group or petfinders.com; advice
on how to network with local rescue groups, etc.  I do respond negatively to
those who talk about their sorrow when their outdoors only (or mostly outdoors
only) cat gets run over by a car. I have posted scores of references to Animal
Planet programs,etc. Throught this newsgroup,  I have also converted to believe
that cats should NOT be (front) declawed unless absolutely necessary. It
shouldn't be a routine procedure. I would go on, but logic and research is
wasted on you...you can't grasp the concepts.  

Laura
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Cathy Friedmann - 01 Jul 2004 13:05 GMT
> Laura R. UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com writes
>
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> dump periodically. You wouldn't know a legitimate post if you had 45 weeks of
> tutoring on the subject.

In which case you have not been reading her (L.R.'s) responses to serious
posts.

> Many of my responses have been one's of sympathy

Your brand of sympathy often includes criticism.

and
> include a link to either a petloss.com support group or petfinders.com; advice
> on how to network with local rescue groups, etc.  I do respond negatively to
> those who talk about their sorrow when their outdoors only (or mostly outdoors
> only) cat gets run over by a car.

Which really helps the person to recover from their grief, I'm sure.  You
don't have to condone their care of their pet 100%, you know, in order to
sympathize w/ their feelings over the loss.

Cathy
Mary - 01 Jul 2004 14:37 GMT
"Cathy Friedmann" <clfr@adelphia.net> wrote >
> Which really helps the person to recover from their grief, I'm sure.  You
don't have to condone their care of their pet 100%, you know, in order
tosympathize w/ their feelings over the loss.

And now Princess Friedmann is also the Sympathy Police. Why don't you just
post as you post and confine your fine analysis skills to your own asinine
behavior until you work THAT out.
Cathy Friedmann - 01 Jul 2004 14:43 GMT
> "Cathy Friedmann" <clfr@adelphia.net> wrote >
> > Which really helps the person to recover from their grief, I'm sure.  You
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> post as you post and confine your fine analysis skills to your own asinine
> behavior until you work THAT out.

Jeez, got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning, or what?  That's my
opinion of her posts & I'm certainly free to express it. (Not to mention
that I'm not the only to have expressed it when she's pulled those obnoxious
little stunts.)  Have you read NYWriter/Luvskats00's supposed words of
sympoathy in reply to various posters?  The kind one can easily do w/out
when already grieving.  IMO, she's often abrasive, with little to say that's
constructive.

Cathy
Luvskats00 - 01 Jul 2004 15:08 GMT
Oh, shut up Cathy.....You routinely ignore the fact and present skewed versions
of situations....you've done this for a very long time..  You were and continue
to be a sick soul.
Cathy Friedmann - 01 Jul 2004 16:37 GMT
> Oh, shut up Cathy.....You routinely ignore the fact and present skewed versions
> of situations....you've done this for a very long time..  You were and continue
> to be a sick soul.

Others (IRL) routinely tell me that I'm a very literal person, so I find
this to be a somewhat strange analysis...

Cathy
Laura R. - 01 Jul 2004 18:00 GMT
circa 01 Jul 2004 14:08:59 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Luvskats00 (luvskats00@aol.com) said,
> Oh, shut up Cathy.....You routinely ignore the fact and present skewed versions
> of situations....you've done this for a very long time..  You were and continue
> to be a sick soul.

Oh, christ, why bother posting under a different name if you're going
to be just as much of a rabid bitch as you were under your last one?

Laura
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Luvskats00 - 01 Jul 2004 19:29 GMT
The twit knows as  Laura R. UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com christ
writes

>why bother posting under a >different name if you're going
>to  be just as much of a rabid bitch >as you were under your last one?

Which do you have: a brain tumor or  a learning disability? You don't seem to
be able to digest logic or any information.  About 2 years ago, when I had my
older computer and an older AOL account, I went by one nickname. When I
purchased a NEW computer and had a free year's worth of AOL I had a choice to
take the free year's worth of AOL or leave it. I chose to use the 12 months of
free use. AOL doesn't allow for the transfer of old nicknames to new accounts.
It's not only common knowledge, it's information that's available upon request
immediately upon asking an AOL customer rep about the subject. However, no one
can force you to ask AOL..just as no one can force you to stop drooling and
pretending to be part of the human race. Anyway, my AOL history was discussed
for over 2 months ....2 years ago....and brought up again about 1 1/2 years
ago....Apparently, you want to bring it up over again...It's funny that you
want to bring this old topic up again since you fail to use your regular domain
email address..  Did you finish with your electroshock therapy yet or your
meds?
Cathy Friedmann - 01 Jul 2004 19:48 GMT
> The twit knows as  Laura R. UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com christ
> writes
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> Which do you have: a brain tumor or  a learning disability? You don't seem to
> be able to digest logic or any information.

Laura R. can't assimilate knowledge or use logic??!  You *are* kidding.
Right?  NO??........ Uh-oh...  (Things are worse than I'd thought!)
[Right, I know: I need a large saucer of cream... (Meow, meow)]

> About 2 years ago, when I had my
> older computer and an older AOL account, I went by one nickname. When I
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> It's not only common knowledge, it's information that's available upon request
> immediately upon asking an AOL customer rep about the subject.

Besides missing the real underlying point of her post (nasty style, no
matter what name is bering used), why on earth would anyone who doesn't use
AOL know what their protocol is, or call one of their reps to find out??

>  However, no one
> can force you to ask AOL..

Why would anyone bother?

just as no one can force you to stop drooling and
> pretending to be part of the human race. Anyway, my AOL history was discussed
> for over 2 months ....2 years ago....and brought up again about 1 1/2 years
> ago....

If one happened to read those threads.  The only way I knew that Luvskats00
was NYWriter was 1) an inkling re: the same tenor of the posts was cropping
up, & 2) someone else caught on in a thread a while ago & mentioned it, & it
was then confirmed.  But I had simply stumbled upon those posts; I don't
read every post of every thread; it's a hit or miss deal.

Cathy
Laura R. - 01 Jul 2004 21:22 GMT
circa Thu, 1 Jul 2004 14:48:55 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Cathy Friedmann (clfr@adelphia.net) said,
> > Which do you have: a brain tumor or  a learning disability? You don't seem
> to
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> Right?  NO??........ Uh-oh...  (Things are worse than I'd thought!)
> [Right, I know: I need a large saucer of cream... (Meow, meow)]

<snork>

> > About 2 years ago, when I had my
> > older computer and an older AOL account, I went by one nickname. When I
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> matter what name is bering used), why on earth would anyone who doesn't use
> AOL know what their protocol is, or call one of their reps to find out??

I don't think she can stand the fact that nobody *cares* about her
latest unhinging.

> >  However, no one
> > can force you to ask AOL..
>
> Why would anyone bother?

They wouldn't. She clearly didn't read what I posted, because it had
*nothing* to do with whatever she's ranting about. Gawd, I see she's
just as sick as she was when she posted as NYWriter.

> just as no one can force you to stop drooling and
> > pretending to be part of the human race. Anyway, my AOL history was
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>
> If one happened to read those threads.

Which I didn't, because I JUST DON'T CARE about NYWriter's latest
verbal diarrhea.

> The only way I knew that Luvskats00
> was NYWriter was 1) an inkling re: the same tenor of the posts was cropping
> up,

Now, *that* I did begin to notice of late.

> & 2) someone else caught on in a thread a while ago & mentioned it, & it
> was then confirmed.  But I had simply stumbled upon those posts; I don't
> read every post of every thread; it's a hit or miss deal.

Ditto. But logic is wasted on this nut, methinks. :-)

Laura

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Laura R. - 01 Jul 2004 21:18 GMT
circa 01 Jul 2004 18:29:26 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Luvskats00 (luvskats00@aol.com) said,

> >why bother posting under a >different name if you're going
> >to  be just as much of a rabid bitch >as you were under your last one?
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> email address..  Did you finish with your electroshock therapy yet or your
> meds?

WTF are you talking about, you neurotic, psychotic freak? What on
*Earth* makes you think that I give enough of a sh.t about you to
actually pay attention to your latest pseudonym? Jeezus, you really
are messed up.

<plonk>

Laura
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MacCandace - 02 Jul 2004 05:39 GMT
<< AOL doesn't allow for the transfer of old nicknames to new accounts. >>

Actually, they do now and they advertise it a lot but, you're probably right
that they weren't doing it 2 years ago.

Candace
(take the litter out before replying by e-mail)

See my cats:
http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

"One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other
than human."  (Loren Eisely)
Laura R. - 01 Jul 2004 18:01 GMT
circa 01 Jul 2004 14:08:59 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Luvskats00 (luvskats00@aol.com) said,
> Oh, shut up Cathy.....You routinely ignore the fact and present skewed versions
> of situations....you've done this for a very long time..  You were and continue
> to be a sick soul.

And BTW, that is the most inane and inaccurate analysis of Cathy that
I've ever seen.

Laura
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Cathy Friedmann - 01 Jul 2004 18:44 GMT
> circa 01 Jul 2004 14:08:59 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
> Luvskats00 (luvskats00@aol.com) said,
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>
> Laura

Thank you, the original & real Laura. ;-)

Cathy
Laura R. - 01 Jul 2004 21:23 GMT
circa Thu, 1 Jul 2004 13:44:43 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Cathy Friedmann (clfr@adelphia.net) said,
> > > Oh, shut up Cathy.....You routinely ignore the fact and present skewed
> versions
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>
> Thank you, the original & real Laura. ;-)

Just speaking the truth as I see it. :-)

Laura
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Cathy Friedmann - 01 Jul 2004 21:29 GMT
> circa Thu, 1 Jul 2004 13:44:43 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
> Cathy Friedmann (clfr@adelphia.net) said,
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>
> Laura

Oh, I figured that, which is why it's a true thank you. :-)

Cathy
MacCandace - 02 Jul 2004 05:37 GMT
<< You were and continue to be a sick soul. >>

Well, geez, hardly, Abby.  How do you figure?  I'll admit you're not as bad as
you used to be when you posted under NYWriter and you seem to have become
slightly kinder and I'm glad you realized declawing is mutilation but I don't
see why you would say that about Cathy.  You have been very abrasive at times
in the past with seemingly little reason.

Candace
(take