The kittens should also be checked for parasites. That could also cause gas.
Make sure you do not feed them milk.
Gail

Have you ever tried canned food for them?
The reason I'm suggesting this, is that we have one particular cat who gets
terrible gas & diarrhea every time she gets into the dry food.
Sherry

It may be the change of diet, but given the kittens are due for their
second distemper shot (by 12 weeks), I would take a bit of fresh stool to
the vet at the same time to check for intestinal parasites.

If they are fully vaccinated (by your vet), ask your vet about bringing in
just the stool sample.

Sharon Talbert
Friends of Campus Cats

I adopted (2 years ago in dec) a nearly-full-grown cat that got the fartsies
the first week we had her - it was the change in food from whatever-they-had
at the county shelter to science diet.  She's been eating it now ever since
and no more gassiness, even when we switched from kitten to adult, and then
started mixing in the 'diet' to half & half (we want to keep her weight down
as she has luxating patellae, or wobbly knees, and they don't bother her
unless she gets over 10 lbs).

I'll check back on this thread in a few days.  It will probably evolve into an argument over green house gasses;-)

Allen

Veg'e.tar'i.an     An  ancient  word   meaning  "bad  hunter".

FWIW, our cat had the same problem on Science Diet as a kitten, when I
switched her to Iams the gas went away.  She's now on something called
"James Wellbeloved" which she quite likes, and there's been no
gassiness associated with the change in food.

jmc
usenet [at] jodi [dit] ws
Any day you learn something isn't a total waste.

HOWEDY unsurreality_2005 you pathetic miserable
stinkin lyin anonymHOWES dog child an spHOWES
abusin vulgar punk thug coward active acute chronic
life long incurable mental case, aka mike dufort,

HOWE COME you ain't got your bastard son's mamma
postin for you? Perhaps she learned her lesson the last time?

<unsurreality_2005@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:
1179391109.328734.246900@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

You mean EMBARRASSIN crosspostin, eh, mikey?

       "Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
       Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is
       A Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
       But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth,
       author: "CourteHOWES Canine."

       "I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
       your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
       as possible. What  does this mean?

       When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time,
       spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth and walk
       away. The dog won't be too thrilled with this but just
       ignore him and continue your normal behavior."
                      --Mike Dufort
               author of the zero selling book
               "CourteHOWES Canines"

Yeah. It seems to have devolved into a pukin bitch fest
between the ignorameHOWESES talkin abHOWET
Nordic dogs and malinda's rat infested HOWES.

HOWE COME you ain't givin your valuable information, mikey <{}: ~ (  >

Been waitin for someWON to get the right answer, mikey <{}: ~ ) >

Oh, you mean like stress induced auto immune hemoylitic
anemia? Hey mikey? Didn't your own DEAD DOG DIE
from that?  BWEEEAAAAHAHAAHAAAA!!!

O.K., mikey, but the QUESTION wasn't abHOWET mites
on critters, it was abHOWET vacuum cleaners that are
EXXXCELLENT at pickin up mites. Perhaps you got some
EXXXCELLENT HOWEscleanin advice seein as you AIN'T
GOT NO dog trainin advice OTHER THAN to HURT and
INTIMDIATE the dog and IGNORE HIS CRIES and PRETEND
that's "NORMAL", mikey?

Mites are like dog abusers and mental patients postin here
abHOWETS, mikey. They're ubiquitHOWES, that means,
they're unavoidable on accHOWENTA they're EVERY
freakin WHERE, mikey <{}: ~ ( >

Like yeast infections, allergies, flea infestations and so called
spay incontinence, they can ONLY manifest and cause problems
when the auto-immune system is compromised by STRESS from
feedin commercial garbage diets, toxic veterinary malpractices
and ABUSE like HOWE professional dog trainin mental cases
like yourself, prefer <{}: ~ ( >

Hey mikey? Wanna make yourself LOOK like you KNOW
sumpthin? Just tell them the ANSWER to the mite / vacuum
question is ANY vacuum with a HEPA filter with a 99.97%
capture efficiency at 0.3 micron. HOWEver, you gotta do your
own RESEARCH on accHOWENTA there's a lotta sh.t for
brains ignorameHOWESES like yourself runnin abHOWET.

                         LIKE THIS:

Michael Dufort
From: "Michael Dufort" <mduf...@snakebite.com>
Date: 1998/03/11
Subject: Re: David Dikeman's "Command Performance"

jaf <j...@aol.com> wrote in article <35056841.D60C9...@aol.com>...

You'll probably get some conflicting advice here,
but I'll put in my two cents.
I saw that infomercial about 2 years ago and bought the tape.
I really had my doubts, but I thought, hey, for $40 or so, I don't
have too much to lose so I'll try it. I never bought anything from
an infomercial in my life and swore never to do so (just 'cause I
hate them to death, and still do).

Since then I've trained a Siberian Husky and more recently an
Alaskan Malamute: two dogs known to be very stubborn and
hard to train. The results? Excellent. No joke. For what the
video promised, it worked for me.

My dogs stay at my side at all times and never (or have not yet)
run off, nor pull away from me, nor go nuts when we encounter
people on the street.  Realize that the tape probably isn't providing
any ground breaking training tips or techniques, but in my mind,
who cares? If it ain't broke don't fix it.

However, I think the time they promise results to happen is unlikely,
at least in my experiences. Maybe it would be different with a
different
breed other than Spitz dogs? I train my dogs daily on weekdays and 2-3
times a day on the weekends.

It takes quite a bit of work and time for "perfect" results, so be
prepared to donate plenty of time to the program. I don't think
depending on this video solely is the ideal solution, but I'm
telling you now that if you succeed with the program you will
have a FAR better dog than 99.9% of those in your community.

Add on a tremondous amount of money saving compared to
professional training schools, and you have my endorsement
for a great tape. Two thumbs up.

If it boils down to no professional training because of expenses
(which was my case) or purchasing this video and working hard,
there is not question in my mind, GET THE VIDEO.

Mike Dufort

       "Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
       Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is
       A Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
       But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth, author:
                "CourteHOWES Canine."

       "I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
       your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
       as possible. What  does this mean?

       When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time,
       spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth and walk
       away. The dog won't be too thrilled with this but just
       ignore him and continue your normal behavior."
                      --Mike Dufort
               author of the zero selling book
               "CourteHOWES Canines"
From: Dog Game SuperStar <zzen...@earthlink.net>
Date: 1999/03/01
Subject: Re: Command Performance

marshall.john...@usa.net wrote:

Yes, I did, I bought the video, and it totally, totally,
totally, totally sucks compared to "Dogz Allowed" the video
the Whole internet is increasingly anticipatory regarding
the long awaited release thereof.

The "Command Performance" idiomercial, claims over and over
that CP is a "system" developed by David Dikeman (The
"Idiot" of the Dog Game) via his 20 years of experience.....But,
in fact, it is a system developed by William Koehler (The Fuhrer
of the Dog Game) which David Dikeman (the "Idiot" of the Dog
Game), copied almost verbatim, yet continues to proclaims it his
own, apparently thinking nobody would ever notice.

But it's laughably obvious.

You can read up on "Command Performance" "system" by simply
going to your library and picking up a copy of "The Koehler
Method of Dog Training."  Dikeman puts a happier face on a
method which relies 90% on physical force and pain, and
about 10% on "praise."  If you like the book, Dikeman does a
good job showing you the basics in 3D.

The system can work well, as dogs prefer not to experience
pain and discomfort.  The system can also ruin a dog.  It
really depends on the trainer.  But it is a highly
restrictive system, which is designed to crush the
creativity of both the dog and the trainer, and this stems
from the heavy duty totalitarian philosophy which absolutely
ripples beneath the surface of  "The Koehler Method of Dog
Training."

All modern dog training is either a direct copy, a variant
and/or evolutionary step from, or a reaction against the
ideas espoused in this book.  Command Performance, needless
to say, falls into the "Direct Copy" category.

As for me.  I am none of the above.  I'm just a SuperStar
with crazy skill who won't allow himself or his dogs to be
confined by silly systems.  And if you wanna see how I do,
Stay tuned to the SuperDog Station.

David Dikeman's Best Buddy
You betta get used to calling me "Sir" son
Reporting Live from the SuperDog Station
http://dogtv.com

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