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Day two with the new kitties
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Laura R. - 26 Jun 2004 06:48 GMT Well, Jacob still rules this roost, old and creaky and CRF-y or not.
:-) The cats continue to interact amazingly well. They're still cautious around each other, but overall, they're getting along swimmingly. They'll lie within one or two feet of each other, they'll follow one another into different rooms, and they'll gradually get closer to each other and do a little sniffing.
So, why do I say that Jacob is still king? Well, Natasha apparently decided that it would be fun to play with Camille and went charging after Camille when Camille was going 'round one of the sofas. Camille, OTOH, did *not* feel that she is yet ready to play with the new kitties, so she started hissing and growling (pretty mildly, surprisingly, but approximately to the extent that she does when Oscar is pi$$ing her off). Well, Jacob heard the hissing and was off the couch like a shot, rushing over to "break up" the altercation- exactly like he used to do with Alex when Alex was whopping one of the other cats. Immediately, all hissing and growling stopped, Natasha walked away and Camille chilled out.
I'm so proud of my little guy. :-)
It would seem that there is at least a partial sight component in cat interactions. Whenever Oscar sees Camille when he's walking around, he stops and waits to see if he garners any hissing- not because he cares if Camille hisses at him, but because until he gets close enough to be sure, he can't tell the difference between Natasha and Camille. Once he figures out that it's Camille, he walks right by. If it's Natasha, he cuts a wider berth as he is apparently still figuring out whether or not she likes him. She'll hiss, just once, if he's getting too close for her tastes, but that's the extent of the aggressive/defensive behavior.
Natasha has also decided that Jacob is King Kitty, because he can walk right up to her and she does nothing, *and* she has taken to following him around. When I was giving Jacob his fluids today, Natasha sat right next to him and watched the entire process. Not a peep out of either of them.
The cats are all drinking and using the litterboxes, although they do seem to be eating a little bit less than usual, with the notable exception of Jacob. I simply can't get over how *utterly* unconcerned he is with this whole upheaval in his environment. He's eating like a little piglet, doing all his usual things and simply doesn't care that there are two new cats in his house. I thought that since it had been quite a while since any new cats had been introduced into the household, that he might have lost a bit of his equanimity in accepting new cats, but he hasn't in the least.
Jack is still deciding whether or not to grace me with his affection, which his old catmommy said is his wont. He's a bit suspicious and hasn't yet decided to like me. He has, however, come to me twice when I've called him, allowed me to pet him, and stopped sleeping under the couch. Now that he has been walking around, I've gotten a better gauge of his size. As I mentioned before, he's definitely not overweight. However, he is also a *big* cat. He is by far the largest of the five. He's also the biggest chicken. Typical. ;-)
So, that's day two of the smoothest cat introduction I've ever seen.
Laura
 Signature Experience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde
RobZip - 26 Jun 2004 12:20 GMT > So, that's day two of the smoothest cat introduction I've ever seen. > > Laura It sounds like things are going quite well. In reading the accounts of introductions others have posted, some have gone for the isolation approach right away seemingly in abscence of any behavior that would require it. I've always just introduced a newcomer like you have - make them part of the environment and let the adjustments occur at their own pace. As long as the various cats have a space to retreat to things have a way of working out. Congrats on the additions!
When Sammy first came here, Cassie would hiss, spit and run off. Eventually Sammy took it as a personal challenge and would follow Cassie around just to annoy her. The relationship turned a corner one night when Cassie hid beside my son's desk and peeked out once in a while to observe Sammy. Sammy snuck into the room and worked her way into a position under the desk on the opposite side of the divider from Cassie. They took turns peeking around the divider at each other. Finally Cassie let the tip of her tail stick out and Sammy swatted at it. Cassie swatted back. Whatever aggression there was rapidly dissolved into entertainment and a playful slap boxing match ensued. The barriers came down and they freely interacted with each other from that point on.
hpickering@austin.rr.com - 26 Jun 2004 15:10 GMT >> So, that's day two of the smoothest cat introduction I've ever seen. >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >The barriers came down and they freely interacted with each other from that >point on. In my case it happened when the older cat came in an went to the bathroom in the new cat's litter box. The new cat did not like it too much so he went to the bathroom in the established cat's litter box. They have been buddies ever since that day.
Laura R. - 26 Jun 2004 18:32 GMT circa Sat, 26 Jun 2004 14:10:02 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, hpickering@austin.rr.com (hpickering@austin.rr.com) said,
> In my case it happened when the older cat came in an went to the > bathroom in the new cat's litter box. The new cat did not like it too > much so he went to the bathroom in the established cat's litter box. > They have been buddies ever since that day. Heh. Within ten minutes of her arrival, Natasha had peed in one of the "old cats'" litterboxes. She clearly adjusts quickly.
On another note, I have a bit more of each cat's history. Natasha was born around the end of June, 2001. Her prior owner got her from a shelter when Natasha was ~11 months old and had had a litter of kittens around January of 2002. Having had kittens and lived in a shelter might explain Natasha's equanimity; her prior owner said that Natasha was housed in a "loose" area with about 15 other cats and was very calm about it. In any case, Natasha was spayed and brought home to be a companion to Jack, and Jack attached himself to her like white on rice.
Jack was born on approximately July 31, 2001. His prior owner used to work in lower Manhattan and was there on September 11. Four days after the attacks, she had gone back to the area and was passing a pet store while still processing the horror of the whole thing. She went into the store on impulse, and there was Jack. He was her "September 11 kitty" and he assuaged a lot of the emotional pain that she was feeling after the attacks, so he was pretty special to her.
These two were obviously very well-loved, and I think that is probably the biggest part of why they're adjusting so well. They're sweet, sweet kitties.
Laura
 Signature Experience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde
MacCandace - 26 Jun 2004 22:52 GMT << These two were obviously very well-loved, and I think that is probably the biggest part of why they're adjusting so well. They're sweet, sweet kitties.
Laura >>
Laura, I either missed the very beginnings of when you were contemplating adopting Jack and Natasha or I spaced it out completely, but can you refresh my memory as to why their former mom had to get rid of them? Is she the one moving to London and didn't want to have to quarantine them? If so, she must have been very sad to leave them even though they now have a wonderful home.
Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail)
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Cathy Friedmann - 26 Jun 2004 23:33 GMT > << These two were obviously very well-loved, and I think that is > probably the biggest part of why they're adjusting so well. They're > sweet, sweet kitties.
> Laura >> > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > moving to London and didn't want to have to quarantine them? If so, she must > have been very sad to leave them even though they now have a wonderful home. And this is still puzzling me - the quarantine has been lifted, provided one jumps through some hoops.
Cathy
Laura R. - 27 Jun 2004 02:35 GMT circa Sat, 26 Jun 2004 18:33:03 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Cathy Friedmann (clfr@adelphia.net) said,
> And this is still puzzling me - the quarantine has been lifted, provided one > jumps through some hoops. There are quite a few hoops. I suspect that this, in particular, was what made Jack and Natasha ineligible for bypassing the quarantine:
From http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/quarantine/pets/procedures/owners.htm
"The six month rule Your pet may not enter the UK under PETS until six months have passed from the date that your vet took the blood sample which led to a successful test result (see below). Once the vet has signed the PETS certificate and that six month period has passed, the PETS certificate is valid and your pet may enter the UK."
The abovementioned test is a rabies titer. Since Jack and Natasha had not had a titer (although they have had their rabies and FVRCP vaccinations regularly) and since their former owner was only given three weeks' notice of her transfer, Jack and Natasha were not exempt from quarantine. It's not quite as easy a process as it appears *unless* one knows far in advance that one will be relocating.
Laura
 Signature Experience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde
Cathy Friedmann - 27 Jun 2004 02:50 GMT > circa Sat, 26 Jun 2004 18:33:03 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > Cathy Friedmann (clfr@adelphia.net) said, [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Laura Thanks; I was wondering what the snag was.
Cathy
Laura R. - 27 Jun 2004 04:15 GMT circa Sat, 26 Jun 2004 21:50:02 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Cathy Friedmann (clfr@adelphia.net) said,
> > There are quite a few hoops. I suspect that this, in particular, was > > what made Jack and Natasha ineligible for bypassing the quarantine: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Thanks; I was wondering what the snag was. You're most welcome. I wasn't sure myself until I started investigating the requirements; all I knew was that there was no way that Jack and Natasha's old owner would have left them in the States if she had any other compassionate options.
Laura
 Signature Experience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde
Laura R. - 27 Jun 2004 02:28 GMT circa 26 Jun 2004 21:52:23 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, MacCandace (maccandace@aol.comlitter) said,
> << These two were obviously very well-loved, and I think that is > probably the biggest part of why they're adjusting so well. They're [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > moving to London and didn't want to have to quarantine them? If so, she must > have been very sad to leave them even though they now have a wonderful home. Yes, that's them. From their vet records, their previous owner had originally scheduled appointments to get them chipped and all the other stuff that she would have had to do to take them to the UK, but I think they didn't qualify for a shorter quarantine and with her daughter's asthma in combination with that, she decided that the best thing for them would be to find them a good home. She was afraid that she would cry her eyes out when she left them with me, but once she met me and saw where Jack and Natasha would be living, she really felt that she was doing the best thing for them and managed to not cry. <g> We'll be keeping in touch as she loves these cats to pieces; I've been giving her e-mail updates as to their adjustment and although she misses them already, she's really happy that they're here. :-)
Laura
 Signature Experience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde
Mary - 27 Jun 2004 01:13 GMT "Laura R." <UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com> wrote [snips great stories]
This makes lots of sense. (Particularly with Nathasha's story, since she sounds as lovey and confident as my shelter cat Cheeky, who also arrived here nicely socialized.) Really neat that your kitties have known bios! And truly wonderful that you have enabled them to stay together.
I wonder where Jack was during the Sept. attacks?
Laura R. - 27 Jun 2004 02:38 GMT circa Sun, 27 Jun 2004 00:13:08 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Mary (rosefan@email.com) said,
> This makes lots of sense. (Particularly with Nathasha's story, since she > sounds as lovey and confident as my shelter cat Cheeky, who also arrived > here nicely socialized.) Really neat that your kitties have known bios! Yeah, if I'm not going to have them from kittenhood, it certainly is nice to know what their lives were before they came to live with me.
:-)
> And > truly wonderful that you have enabled them to stay together. Well, as I said when I was trying to decide- taking Jack and Natasha was something I did for *them*. Taking Liam and Beau would have been something I did for *me*.
Of course, I still want Liam and Beau. <G>
> I wonder where Jack was during the Sept. attacks? I'm planning to ask his former owner. I suspect one of two possibilities:
1. He was in that pet shop when the attacks occurred. or 2. He was orphaned by the attacks, whether it was his human(s) who he lost or his mommycat, or both.
He certainly is a magnificent cat; he's gradually wandering around more and whenever he does, I get a look at how big and solid he is. He's quite gorgeous. :-)
Laura
 Signature Experience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde
Laura R. - 26 Jun 2004 18:11 GMT circa Sat, 26 Jun 2004 11:20:10 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, RobZip (robzip.takethisout@eudoramail.com) said,
> > So, that's day two of the smoothest cat introduction I've ever seen. > > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > The barriers came down and they freely interacted with each other from that > point on. Well, these beasties don't even seem to be needing that kind of impetus. This morning I woke up (again) to Natasha head-butting my face with her [very] wet nose. I petted her silly and after she'd crawled under the covers to knead my leg for a moment, she came back out and lay down next to me. A bit later, Oscar jumped up on the bed, the two of them looked at each other for a moment, and Oscar crawled under the covers next to where Natasha lay, tunneled down to my feet and went to sleep. Since this is his usual sleeping spot, it would seem that he is no longer particularly cautious about her, nor she about him. Jacob, of course, continues to act as though Jack and Natasha have always been here. The only ones even acting marginally wary at this point are Jack and Camille, and with Jack, it's clearly more that he is getting used to the new surroundings than the new cats. Camille is just pi$$ed that there's another fluffy girly around here. :-)
Laura
 Signature Experience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde
Mary - 26 Jun 2004 17:51 GMT > Well, Jacob still rules this roost, old and creaky and CRF-y or not. > :-) What a cutie! You can tell that whatever you are doing for him is keeping him feeling good. I'm glad to hear that.
> Natasha apparently decided that it would be fun to >play with Camille and went charging after Camille when >Camille was going 'round one of the sofas.
Typical feline! All is going swimmingly so she tests her limits to see if she can gain the upper hand! She sounds like she is adjusting beautifully. Tell me, when Jacob rushed over there, did he hiss or growl or just stand and look at them?
>Whenever Oscar sees Camille when he's walking >around, he stops and waits to see if he garners any >hissing- not because he cares if Camille hisses at him, >but because until he gets close enough to be sure, he >can't tell the difference between Natasha and Camille. >Once he figures out that it's Camille, he walks right by.
Aww! Is this normal cat nearsightedness or is Oscar having trouble with his eyes?
Laura R. - 26 Jun 2004 18:48 GMT circa Sat, 26 Jun 2004 16:51:07 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Mary (rosefan@email.com) said,
> > Well, Jacob still rules this roost, old and creaky and CRF-y or not. > > :-) > > What a cutie! You can tell that whatever you are doing for him is keeping > him feeling good. I'm glad to hear that. Yeah, he's my first baby (first cat I got as an adult out on my own), and having had him all these years, I am pretty good at predicting how he's going to act in a given situation. I thought he'd still end up being King Kitty, and darned if he isn't. :-)
> > Natasha apparently decided that it would be fun to > >play with Camille and went charging after Camille when >Camille was going > 'round one of the sofas. > > Typical feline! All is going swimmingly so she tests her limits to see if > she can gain the upper hand! Completely! She and Camille seem to be working out which one of them gets to be the house girlie. Camille is not giving up the position easily. With any luck, they'll work out a job sharing arrangement. <G>
> She sounds like she is adjusting beautifully. Beyond words. If you were to walk into my house, you'd think she had always been here. I've not seen anything like it. Last night as I was soaking my feet in the tub (I got to take my bandages off, FINALLY), Natasha sat on the edge of the tub watching the water in fascination while Jacob, Oscar and Camille sat next to the tub chirping at me as they do whenever I'm bathing. You'd never know that she is the "new kitty".
> Tell me, when Jacob rushed over there, did he hiss or growl or just stand > and look at them? Heh. He did what he always does when he is breaking up a fight, and it is toooo cute. He rushes over, comes to a stop between the two cats and then raises a paw at the aggressor. That's it. No hissing, no growling, just a raised paw as if to say, "okay, break it up. That's enough. Nothing to see here." It always worked on Alex, and it worked last night, too. I swear he's a little person sometimes. :-)
> >Whenever Oscar sees Camille when he's walking >around, he stops and waits > to see if he garners any >hissing- not because he cares if Camille hisses at [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Aww! Is this normal cat nearsightedness or is Oscar having trouble with his > eyes? No, Oscar just isn't very smart. <G>
Seriously, it's not a vision problem. You can see the little gears working in his head. "Oh, hi Camille! Wait...what if that isn't Camille? What if it is that new girl? That new girl might hiss at me if I run up to her and wrap my paw around her neck and lick her head like I do to Camille. I think I'll walk really slowly...ope, that's Camille. Yeah, I knew that all along. Uh huh. I wasn't fooled. Not me. Nuh uh. I think I'll just walk by like I didn't even notice she was there..."
He can see a laser pointer dot at twenty yards, so I know his vision is good. It's his intelligence that I sometimes wonder about. ;-)
Laura
 Signature Experience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde
m. L. Briggs - 26 Jun 2004 20:08 GMT >circa Sat, 26 Jun 2004 16:51:07 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, >Mary (rosefan@email.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > >Laura From what I have read, it is the close vision cats have trouble with.. and it is better at a distance -- especially movement. (I hope I know what I am talking about).
Laura R. - 26 Jun 2004 21:58 GMT circa Sat, 26 Jun 2004 13:08:01 -0600, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, m. L. Briggs (mlbriggs@nospam.net) said,
> >He can see a laser pointer dot at twenty yards, so I know his vision > >is good. It's his intelligence that I sometimes wonder about. ;-) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > and it is better at a distance -- especially movement. (I hope I know > what I am talking about). Well, it's usually when he gets about two feet away that he starts his act, so that would make sense.
Laura
 Signature Experience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde
Mary - 27 Jun 2004 01:17 GMT "Laura R." <UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com> wrote >
> Completely! She and Camille seem to be working out which one of them gets to be the house girlie.
The way both of my girls respond to my husband when he pets them, I bet they would love to have a big beefy Siamese boy toy to flirt with! I can almost see Cheeks thinking "oooo, you know, you're okay but he smells like a BOY!" LOL!
> Heh. He did what he always does when he is breaking up a fight, and it is toooo cute. He rushes over, comes to a stop between the two cats and then raises a paw at the aggressor. That's it.
Ha, the little peacemaker!
> > Aww! Is this normal cat nearsightedness or is Oscar having trouble with his > > eyes? > > No, Oscar just isn't very smart. <G> Ahhhh, I see. Well some of those big boys who are slow on the uptake are the most fun. What was it Kathleen Turner said to William Hurt in "Body Heat?" I think it was "You're not very bright, are you? I like that in a man."
Laura R. - 27 Jun 2004 02:45 GMT circa Sun, 27 Jun 2004 00:17:30 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Mary (rosefan@email.com) said,
> > Heh. He did what he always does when he is breaking up a fight, and it is > toooo cute. He rushes over, comes to a stop between the two cats and then > raises a paw at the aggressor. That's it. > > Ha, the little peacemaker! He really is! He's always done that, and he has always been completely successful in doing it. I don't know if he gives off ubermacho pheremones or what, but all he has to do is raise that little paw and every other cat backs down. It was particularly amusing when he would do it to Alex, because Alex was literally twice Jacob's size before he (Alex) got sick. I have seen two cats who I would say were as big as Alex, but I've *never* seen a cat that was bigger than Alex. He was just plain HUGE. He was literally as tall as the beagle that a roommate had- the forty-five pound beagle that a roommate had.
Anyhoo, Jacob clearly believes that he is much larger than he is, and manages to fool other cats into believing it, too. :-)
> > > Aww! Is this normal cat nearsightedness or is Oscar having trouble with > his [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > William Hurt in "Body Heat?" I think it was "You're not very bright, are > you? I like that in a man." I think that is what Natasha must have said to Oscar, because now they sniff noses and then just sit there looking at each other. I smell luuuuv in the making. ;-)
Laura
 Signature Experience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde
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