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Laura R. - 26 Jun 2004 06:48 GMT
Well, Jacob still rules this roost, old and creaky and CRF-y or not.
:-)

The cats continue to interact amazingly well. They're still cautious
around each other, but overall, they're getting along swimmingly.
They'll lie within one or two feet of each other, they'll follow one
another into different rooms, and they'll gradually get closer to
each other and do a little sniffing.

So, why do I say that Jacob is still king? Well, Natasha apparently
decided that it would be fun to play with Camille and went charging
after Camille when Camille was going 'round one of the sofas.
Camille, OTOH, did *not* feel that she is yet ready to play with the
new kitties, so she started hissing and growling (pretty mildly,
surprisingly, but approximately to the extent that she does when
Oscar is pi$$ing her off). Well, Jacob heard the hissing and was off
the couch like a shot, rushing over to "break up" the altercation-
exactly like he used to do with Alex when Alex was whopping one of
the other cats. Immediately, all hissing and growling stopped,
Natasha walked away and Camille chilled out.

I'm so proud of my little guy. :-)

It would seem that there is at least a partial sight component in cat
interactions. Whenever Oscar sees Camille when he's walking around,
he stops and waits to see if he garners any hissing- not because he
cares if Camille hisses at him, but because until he gets close
enough to be sure, he can't tell the difference between Natasha and
Camille. Once he figures out that it's Camille, he walks right by. If
it's Natasha, he cuts a wider berth as he is apparently still
figuring out whether or not she likes him. She'll hiss, just once, if
he's getting too close for her tastes, but that's the extent of the
aggressive/defensive behavior.

Natasha has also decided that Jacob is King Kitty, because he can
walk right up to her and she does nothing, *and* she has taken to
following him around. When I was giving Jacob his fluids today,
Natasha sat right next to him and watched the entire process. Not a
peep out of either of them.

The cats are all drinking and using the litterboxes, although they do
seem to be eating a little bit less than usual, with the notable
exception of Jacob. I simply can't get over how *utterly* unconcerned
he is with this whole upheaval in his environment. He's eating like a
little piglet, doing all his usual things and simply doesn't care
that there are two new cats in his house. I thought that since it had
been quite a while since any new cats had been introduced into the
household, that he might have lost a bit of his equanimity in
accepting new cats, but he hasn't in the least.

Jack is still deciding whether or not to grace me with his affection,
which his old catmommy said is his wont. He's a bit suspicious and
hasn't yet decided to like me. He has, however, come to me twice when
I've called him, allowed me to pet him, and stopped sleeping under
the couch. Now that he has been walking around, I've gotten a better
gauge of his size. As I mentioned before, he's definitely not
overweight. However, he is also a *big* cat. He is by far the largest
of the five. He's also the biggest chicken. Typical. ;-)

So, that's day two of the smoothest cat introduction I've ever seen.

Laura
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RobZip - 26 Jun 2004 12:20 GMT
> So, that's day two of the smoothest cat introduction I've ever seen.
>
> Laura

It sounds like things are going quite well. In reading the accounts of
introductions others have posted,  some have gone for the isolation approach
right away seemingly in abscence of any behavior that would require it. I've
always just introduced a newcomer like you have - make them part of the
environment and let the adjustments occur at their own pace. As long as the
various cats have a space to retreat to things have a way of working out.
Congrats on the additions!

When Sammy first came here, Cassie would hiss, spit and run off. Eventually
Sammy took it as a personal challenge and would follow Cassie around just to
annoy her. The relationship turned a corner one night when Cassie hid beside
my son's desk and peeked out once in a while to observe Sammy. Sammy snuck
into the room and worked her way into a position under the desk on the
opposite side of the divider from Cassie. They took turns peeking around the
divider at each other. Finally Cassie let the tip of her tail stick out and
Sammy swatted at it. Cassie swatted back. Whatever aggression there was
rapidly dissolved into entertainment and a playful slap boxing match ensued.
The barriers came down and they freely interacted with each other from that
point on.
hpickering@austin.rr.com - 26 Jun 2004 15:10 GMT
>> So, that's day two of the smoothest cat introduction I've ever seen.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>The barriers came down and they freely interacted with each other from that
>point on.

In my case it happened when the older cat came in an went to the
bathroom in the new cat's litter box. The new cat did not like it too
much so he went to the bathroom in the established cat's litter box.
They have been buddies ever since that day.
Laura R. - 26 Jun 2004 18:32 GMT
circa Sat, 26 Jun 2004 14:10:02 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
hpickering@austin.rr.com (hpickering@austin.rr.com) said,
> In my case it happened when the older cat came in an went to the
> bathroom in the new cat's litter box. The new cat did not like it too
> much so he went to the bathroom in the established cat's litter box.
> They have been buddies ever since that day.

Heh. Within ten minutes of her arrival, Natasha had peed in one of
the "old cats'" litterboxes. She clearly adjusts quickly.

On another note, I have a bit more of each cat's history. Natasha was
born around the end of June, 2001. Her prior owner got her from a
shelter when Natasha was ~11 months old and had had a litter of
kittens around January of 2002. Having had kittens and lived in a
shelter might explain Natasha's equanimity; her prior owner said that
Natasha was housed in a "loose" area with about 15 other cats and was
very calm about it. In any case, Natasha was spayed and brought home
to be a companion to Jack, and Jack attached himself to her like
white on rice.

Jack was born on approximately July 31, 2001. His prior owner used to
work in lower Manhattan and was there on September 11. Four days
after the attacks, she had gone back to the area and was passing a
pet store while still processing the horror of the whole thing. She
went into the store on impulse, and there was Jack. He was her
"September 11 kitty" and he assuaged a lot of the emotional pain that
she was feeling after the attacks, so he was pretty special to her.

These two were obviously very well-loved, and I think that is
probably the biggest part of why they're adjusting so well. They're
sweet, sweet kitties.

Laura
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MacCandace - 26 Jun 2004 22:52 GMT
<< These two were obviously very well-loved, and I think that is
probably the biggest part of why they're adjusting so well. They're
sweet, sweet kitties.

Laura >>

Laura, I either missed the very beginnings of when you were contemplating
adopting Jack and Natasha or I spaced it out completely, but can you refresh my
memory as to why their former mom had to get rid of them?  Is she the one
moving to London and didn't want to have to quarantine them?  If so, she must
have been very sad to leave them even though they now have a wonderful home.

Candace
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Cathy Friedmann - 26 Jun 2004 23:33 GMT
> << These two were obviously very well-loved, and I think that is
> probably the biggest part of why they're adjusting so well. They're
> sweet, sweet kitties.

> Laura >>
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> moving to London and didn't want to have to quarantine them?  If so, she must
> have been very sad to leave them even though they now have a wonderful home.

And this is still puzzling me - the quarantine has been lifted, provided one
jumps through some hoops.

Cathy
Laura R. - 27 Jun 2004 02:35 GMT
circa Sat, 26 Jun 2004 18:33:03 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Cathy Friedmann (clfr@adelphia.net) said,

> And this is still puzzling me - the quarantine has been lifted, provided one
> jumps through some hoops.

There are quite a few hoops. I suspect that this, in particular, was
what made Jack and Natasha ineligible for bypassing the quarantine:

From
http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/quarantine/pets/procedures/owners.htm

"The six month rule
Your pet may not enter the UK under PETS until six months have passed
from the date that your vet took the blood sample which led to a
successful test result (see below). Once the vet has signed the PETS
certificate and that six month period has passed, the PETS
certificate is valid and your pet may enter the UK."

The abovementioned test is a rabies titer. Since Jack and Natasha had
not had a titer (although they have had their rabies and FVRCP
vaccinations regularly) and since their former owner was only given
three weeks' notice of her transfer, Jack and Natasha were not exempt
from quarantine. It's not quite as easy a process as it appears
*unless* one knows far in advance that one will be relocating.

Laura
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Cathy Friedmann - 27 Jun 2004 02:50 GMT
> circa Sat, 26 Jun 2004 18:33:03 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
> Cathy Friedmann (clfr@adelphia.net) said,
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> Laura

Thanks; I was wondering what the snag was.

Cathy
Laura R. - 27 Jun 2004 04:15 GMT
circa Sat, 26 Jun 2004 21:50:02 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Cathy Friedmann (clfr@adelphia.net) said,
> > There are quite a few hoops. I suspect that this, in particular, was
> > what made Jack and Natasha ineligible for bypassing the quarantine:
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> Thanks; I was wondering what the snag was.

You're most welcome. I wasn't sure myself until I started
investigating the requirements; all I knew was that there was no way
that Jack and Natasha's old owner would have left them in the States
if she had any other compassionate options.

Laura
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Laura R. - 27 Jun 2004 02:28 GMT
circa 26 Jun 2004 21:52:23 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
MacCandace (maccandace@aol.comlitter) said,
> << These two were obviously very well-loved, and I think that is
> probably the biggest part of why they're adjusting so well. They're
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> moving to London and didn't want to have to quarantine them?  If so, she must
> have been very sad to leave them even though they now have a wonderful home.

Yes, that's them. From their vet records, their previous owner had
originally scheduled appointments to get them chipped and all the
other stuff that she would have had to do to take them to the UK, but
I think they didn't qualify for a shorter quarantine and with her
daughter's asthma in combination with that, she decided that the best
thing for them would be to find them a good home. She was afraid that
she would cry her eyes out when she left them with me, but once she
met me and saw where Jack and Natasha would be living, she really
felt that she was doing the best thing for them and managed to not
cry. <g> We'll be keeping in touch as she loves these cats to pieces;
I've been giving her e-mail updates as to their adjustment and
although she misses them already, she's really happy that they're
here. :-)

Laura
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Mary - 27 Jun 2004 01:13 GMT
"Laura R." <UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com> wrote
[snips great stories]

This makes lots of sense. (Particularly with Nathasha's story, since she
sounds as lovey and confident as my shelter cat Cheeky, who also arrived
here nicely socialized.) Really neat that your kitties have known bios! And
truly wonderful that you have enabled them to stay together.

I wonder where Jack was during the Sept. attacks?
Laura R. - 27 Jun 2004 02:38 GMT
circa Sun, 27 Jun 2004 00:13:08 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Mary (rosefan@email.com) said,
> This makes lots of sense. (Particularly with Nathasha's story, since she
> sounds as lovey and confident as my shelter cat Cheeky, who also arrived
> here nicely socialized.) Really neat that your kitties have known bios!

Yeah, if I'm not going to have them from kittenhood, it certainly is
nice to know what their lives were before they came to live with me.
:-)

> And
> truly wonderful that you have enabled them to stay together.

Well, as I said when I was trying to decide- taking Jack and Natasha
was something I did for *them*. Taking Liam and Beau would have been
something I did for *me*.

Of course, I still want Liam and Beau. <G>

> I wonder where Jack was during the Sept. attacks?

I'm planning to ask his former owner. I suspect one of two
possibilities:

1. He was in that pet shop when the attacks occurred.
or
2. He was orphaned by the attacks, whether it was his human(s) who he
lost or his mommycat, or both.

He certainly is a magnificent cat; he's gradually wandering around
more and whenever he does, I get a look at how big and solid he is.
He's quite gorgeous. :-)

Laura

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Laura R. - 26 Jun 2004 18:11 GMT
circa Sat, 26 Jun 2004 11:20:10 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
RobZip (robzip.takethisout@eudoramail.com) said,

> > So, that's day two of the smoothest cat introduction I've ever seen.
> >
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> The barriers came down and they freely interacted with each other from that
> point on.

Well, these beasties don't even seem to be needing that kind of
impetus. This morning I woke up (again) to Natasha head-butting my
face with her [very] wet nose. I petted her silly and after she'd
crawled under the covers to knead my leg for a moment, she came back
out and lay down next to me. A bit later, Oscar jumped up on the bed,
the two of them looked at each other for a moment, and Oscar crawled
under the covers next to where Natasha lay, tunneled down to my feet
and went to sleep. Since this is his usual sleeping spot, it would
seem that he is no longer particularly cautious about her, nor she
about him. Jacob, of course, continues to act as though Jack and
Natasha have always been here. The only ones even acting marginally
wary at this point are Jack and Camille, and with Jack, it's clearly
more that he is getting used to the new surroundings than the new
cats. Camille is just pi$$ed that there's another fluffy girly around
here. :-)

Laura
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Mary - 26 Jun 2004 17:51 GMT
> Well, Jacob still rules this roost, old and creaky and CRF-y or not.
> :-)

What a cutie! You can tell that whatever you are doing for him is keeping
him feeling good. I'm glad to hear that.

> Natasha apparently  decided that it would be fun to
>play with Camille and went charging  after Camille when >Camille was going
'round one of the sofas.

Typical feline! All is going swimmingly so she tests her limits to see if
she can gain the upper hand! She sounds like she is adjusting beautifully.
Tell me, when Jacob rushed over there, did he hiss or growl or just stand
and look at them?

>Whenever Oscar sees Camille when he's walking >around,  he stops and waits
to see if he garners any >hissing- not because he cares if Camille hisses at
him, >but because until he gets close enough to be sure, he >can't tell the
difference between Natasha and Camille. >Once he figures out that it's
Camille, he walks right by.

Aww! Is this normal cat nearsightedness or is Oscar having trouble with his
eyes?
Laura R. - 26 Jun 2004 18:48 GMT
circa Sat, 26 Jun 2004 16:51:07 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Mary (rosefan@email.com) said,

> > Well, Jacob still rules this roost, old and creaky and CRF-y or not.
> > :-)
>
> What a cutie! You can tell that whatever you are doing for him is keeping
> him feeling good. I'm glad to hear that.

Yeah, he's my first baby (first cat I got as an adult out on my own),
and having had him all these years, I am pretty good at predicting
how he's going to act in a given situation. I thought he'd still end
up being King Kitty, and darned if he isn't. :-)

> > Natasha apparently  decided that it would be fun to
> >play with Camille and went charging  after Camille when >Camille was going
> 'round one of the sofas.
>
> Typical feline! All is going swimmingly so she tests her limits to see if
> she can gain the upper hand!

Completely! She and Camille seem to be working out which one of them
gets to be the house girlie. Camille is not giving up the position
easily. With any luck, they'll work out a job sharing arrangement.
<G>

> She sounds like she is adjusting beautifully.

Beyond words. If you were to walk into my house, you'd think she had
always been here. I've not seen anything like it. Last night as I was
soaking my feet in the tub (I got to take my bandages off, FINALLY),
Natasha sat on the edge of the tub watching the water in fascination
while Jacob, Oscar and Camille sat next to the tub chirping at me as
they do whenever I'm bathing. You'd never know that she is the "new
kitty".

> Tell me, when Jacob rushed over there, did he hiss or growl or just stand
> and look at them?

Heh. He did what he always does when he is breaking up a fight, and
it is toooo cute. He rushes over, comes to a stop between the two
cats and then raises a paw at the aggressor. That's it. No hissing,
no growling, just a raised paw as if to say, "okay, break it up.
That's enough. Nothing to see here." It always worked on Alex, and it
worked last night, too. I swear he's a little person sometimes. :-)

> >Whenever Oscar sees Camille when he's walking >around,  he stops and waits
> to see if he garners any >hissing- not because he cares if Camille hisses at
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Aww! Is this normal cat nearsightedness or is Oscar having trouble with his
> eyes?

No, Oscar just isn't very smart. <G>

Seriously, it's not a vision problem. You can see the little gears
working in his head. "Oh, hi Camille! Wait...what if that isn't
Camille? What if it is that new girl? That new girl might hiss at me
if I run up to her and wrap my paw around her neck and lick her head
like I do to Camille. I think I'll walk really slowly...ope, that's
Camille. Yeah, I knew that all along. Uh huh. I wasn't fooled. Not
me. Nuh uh. I think I'll just walk by like I didn't even notice she
was there..."

He can see a laser pointer dot at twenty yards, so I know his vision
is good. It's his intelligence that I sometimes wonder about. ;-)

Laura
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m. L. Briggs - 26 Jun 2004 20:08 GMT
>circa Sat, 26 Jun 2004 16:51:07 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
>Mary (rosefan@email.com) said,
[quoted text clipped - 66 lines]
>
>Laura

From what I have read, it is the close vision cats have trouble with..
and it is better at a distance -- especially movement.  (I hope I know
what I am talking about).
Laura R. - 26 Jun 2004 21:58 GMT
circa Sat, 26 Jun 2004 13:08:01 -0600, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
m. L. Briggs (mlbriggs@nospam.net) said,
> >He can see a laser pointer dot at twenty yards, so I know his vision
> >is good. It's his intelligence that I sometimes wonder about. ;-)
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> and it is better at a distance -- especially movement.  (I hope I know
> what I am talking about).

Well, it's usually when he gets about two feet away that he starts
his act, so that would make sense.

Laura
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Mary - 27 Jun 2004 01:17 GMT
"Laura R." <UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com> wrote >
> Completely! She and Camille seem to be working out which one of them gets
to be the house girlie.

The way both of my girls respond to my husband when he pets them, I bet they
would love to have a big beefy Siamese boy toy to flirt with! I can almost
see Cheeks thinking "oooo, you know, you're okay but he smells like a BOY!"
LOL!

> Heh. He did what he always does when he is breaking up a fight, and  it is
toooo cute. He rushes over, comes to a stop between the two cats and then
raises a paw at the aggressor. That's it.

Ha, the little peacemaker!

> > Aww! Is this normal cat nearsightedness or is Oscar having trouble with his
> > eyes?
>
> No, Oscar just isn't very smart. <G>

Ahhhh, I see. Well some of those big boys who are
slow on the uptake are the most fun. What was it Kathleen Turner said to
William Hurt in "Body Heat?" I think it was "You're not very bright, are
you? I like that in a man."
Laura R. - 27 Jun 2004 02:45 GMT
circa Sun, 27 Jun 2004 00:17:30 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Mary (rosefan@email.com) said,

> > Heh. He did what he always does when he is breaking up a fight, and  it is
> toooo cute. He rushes over, comes to a stop between the two cats and then
> raises a paw at the aggressor. That's it.
>
> Ha, the little peacemaker!

He really is! He's always done that, and he has always been
completely successful in doing it. I don't know if he gives off
ubermacho pheremones or what, but all he has to do is raise that
little paw and every other cat backs down. It was particularly
amusing when he would do it to Alex, because Alex was literally twice
Jacob's size before he (Alex) got sick. I have seen two cats who I
would say were as big as Alex, but I've *never* seen a cat that was
bigger than Alex. He was just plain HUGE. He was literally as tall as
the beagle that a roommate had- the forty-five pound beagle that a
roommate had.

Anyhoo, Jacob clearly believes that he is much larger than he is, and
manages to fool other cats into believing it, too. :-)

> > > Aww! Is this normal cat nearsightedness or is Oscar having trouble with
> his
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> William Hurt in "Body Heat?" I think it was "You're not very bright, are
> you? I like that in a man."

I think that is what Natasha must have said to Oscar, because now
they sniff noses and then just sit there looking at each other. I
smell luuuuv in the making. ;-)

Laura
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