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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / June 2004kitten becoming aggressive
when i got Shaina, she did pounce on hands when playing, but i trained her not to bite hard and not to scratch by making high pitched noise when she hurt me. she also loved to be held. in the past 2-3 days, though, she turned in to a little vicious tiger, mostly during the day. yesterday, two people who are moving in came in to our apartment and Shaina was running around chasing stuff and people. then when i kneeled to play with her, she pounced on my hand and was doing the usual biting, grabbing with front paws and scratching with hind paws but with all her teeth and claws! i screamed a few times and she stopped, but then kept doing the same thing again until i just stepped away. in the evening, she kept doing the same stuff to my hands as she does to her fuzzy toys - trying to destroy them. she has PLENTY of stuff to play with.after i screamed at her a few more times, she then started to run away form my hands. today she is doing the same thing - attacking. she doesn't really like to cuddle anymore when she goes to sleep. she also seriously insists on being walked to the kitchen when she wants to eat. i know she shouldn't be fed wet food all day, but that's what the little carnivore demands. that's the only time she makes "normal" cat noises. as of yesterday, i stopped humoring her - she has dry food there, so if she is hungry, she can eat it. i'll feed her wet food twice a day. she's becoming rather bossy. -L circa Tue, 22 Jun 2004 18:10:11 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, MadHatter (devil_m@y_care.lost) said, > when i got Shaina, she did pounce on hands when playing, but i trained > her not to bite hard and not to scratch by making high pitched noise [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > then started to run away form my hands. today she is doing the same > thing - attacking. Just be consistent with the "ow" and walk away when she does it. She's still a baby, and she'll learn eventually. > she doesn't really like to cuddle anymore when she > goes to sleep. That's *totally* normal kitten behavior; congratulations! She's obviously starting to feel like a healthy little girl! > she also seriously insists on being walked to the > kitchen when she wants to eat. i know she shouldn't be fed wet food > all day, Why not? She's a kitten, and it's good for her. If she's hungry, feed her. There's no reason to feed her a *ton* at a time, but when she wants it, give her a spoonful or two. :-) > but that's what the little carnivore demands. that's the > only time she makes "normal" cat noises. as of yesterday, i stopped > humoring her - she has dry food there, so if she is hungry, she can > eat it. i'll feed her wet food twice a day. she's becoming rather > bossy. Also totally normal. ;-) I say, as long as she's not fat, feed her as often as she wants to be fed. Kittens who are nursing do so *many* times a day, and Shaina is really on the young side to be weaned, so let her eat. :-) Laura  SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde For goodness sake, ... hit her. not hard but enough so she knows its wrong. cats are amoral, avaricious and aggessive. you have to train them. gently, firmly but don't hurt them tho. they aint toys, they are animals. so dont hurt them but they shouldn't hurt you either. circa Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:07:59 +0100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, icarus (icarus@cold.com) said, > For goodness sake, ... hit her. not hard but enough so she knows its wrong. > cats are amoral, avaricious and aggessive. you have to train them. gently, > firmly but don't hurt them tho. It's completely unnecessary to strike a cat to train it. Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde > circa Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:07:59 +0100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > icarus (icarus@cold.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Laura so once you have explained to the cat that its wrong and discussed the morality of hurting others.... what do you do then ? I'm not talking about hurting the cat, simply a clear indication of displeasure. My female cat hits my male cat with her claws in to indicate displeasure so why shouldn't you ? circa Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:32:31 +0100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, icarus (icarus@cold.com) said, > > > For goodness sake, ... hit her. not hard but enough so she knows its > wrong. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > hits my male cat with her claws in to indicate displeasure so why shouldn't > you ? It's an *eight week old kitten*. A sharp voice and patience works. I have a long history of cats who I have trained not to bite me or dig their claws into my hand to back up what I say. Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde > circa Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:32:31 +0100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > icarus (icarus@cold.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Laura I see you try the same approach with people too. I have cats and train dogs to obedience standards. I have exhibited and been to shows all over the country. I am not talking about hurting the animal..... just watch how your cat interacts with others, they commonly slap others to show their displeasure without hurting the other cat or getting into a fight. Its natural for them and well understood. I repeat, I am not talking about hurting the animal, not hard, not violently but just a tap to show displeasure. I also point out that when I made the comment the age of the cat hadn't been mentioned. ohhhh, by the way.. one of my cats was a full feral and is now a happy home loving pussy so I must really abuse them, mustn't I ? >I see you try the same approach with people too. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >mentioned. ohhhh, by the way.. one of my cats was a full feral and is now >a happy home loving pussy so I must really abuse them, mustn't I ? Coming in late on this thread but...I vehemently disagree. Hands are for petting, not hitting. I don't think the kitten should ever associate your hands in that way. I always put the kitten right in my face, say NO, hiss at them, and put them down, on the floor with no attention at all. It works. Sherry > >I see you try the same approach with people too. > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > and put them down, on the floor with no attention at all. It works. > Sherry I do the hissing thing too - works like a charm. Cats who get thunked, even minimally, become more agressive and/or start redirecting their agression. I totally disagree with thunking cats, even lightly. -L. circa 25 Jun 2004 09:10:56 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, -L. : (usenetlyn@yahoo.com) said, > > I do the hissing thing too - works like a charm. Cats who get > thunked, even minimally, become more agressive and/or start > redirecting their agression. I totally disagree with thunking cats, > even lightly. Don't disagree with Icky (I like that, Mary); he'll get all snooty and pissy. ;-) Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde circa Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:48:59 +0100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, icarus (icarus@cold.com) said, > I see you try the same approach with people too. And I see you're as ignorant as your posts consistently indicate. Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde > > circa Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:07:59 +0100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > > icarus (icarus@cold.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > hits my male cat with her claws in to indicate displeasure so why shouldn't > you ? I have always found "time out" to be totally effective with my cats. Never HIT a cat. It will only make it fear you. > > > circa Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:07:59 +0100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > > > icarus (icarus@cold.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > I have always found "time out" to be totally effective with my cats. Never > HIT a cat. It will only make it fear you. I agree it works well. My animals are not beaten, the problem is due to my using a word that has been interpreted as something really violent. Perhaps flick or tap would be a better word. My animals don't fear me or anyone. I have adopted a lot of rescue animals over the years that have been abused and I always gain their trust so I must be doing something right. I have adopted two feral cats(I have one now), a Doberman, a rottie, a boxer, two bullmastiffs, a ridgeback and several horses. I inspect animals for a charity to see if they can be re-homed and have taken several that couldn't be re-homed elsewhere and would have been euthanased otherwise. As I say they aren't afraid of me. >> > circa Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:07:59 +0100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, >> > icarus (icarus@cold.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >I have always found "time out" to be totally effective with my cats. Never >HIT a cat. It will only make it fear you. i have to disattach her claws from me and move he away, of gently shove her to the side. she responds to my shrieks of "ow" and "no", but she is little, so she can't remember things all that well. when she "captures" my hand, if i don't jerk it away, she doesn extend her claws, since she doesn't have to "keep" the prey. the best thing to do is not to indulge her when she is being all cute and playful and not let her hunt the hands. otherwise, she'll get used to it. -L >> circa Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:07:59 +0100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, >> icarus (icarus@cold.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >hits my male cat with her claws in to indicate displeasure so why shouldn't >you ? oh, you mean hit in a cat way, ok. that's fine. she is a 2 months old kitten, though, so she is a child and when plays, gets carried away. -L > >> circa Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:07:59 +0100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > >> icarus (icarus@cold.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > -L thanks, that's a sensible response and more in keeping with what I was trying to say. when I suggested the course of action I didn't know the cat was so young. of course a kitten being socialised of that age doesn't need a firm hand at all. she's too young to understand. When she gets a bit older and misbehaves then what I was suggesting was to flick her with a finger (not to hurt her) to point out that her behaviour is wrong. When she is an adult and misbehaves I would flick her with several fingers (again not to hurt her). Cats are social animals and expect to be part of a pecking order, they aren't babies. I believe most of the responses on here are from ladies who believe that they have a baby substitute and not a cat. Watch how cats act with each other and learn how they treat young ones that misbehave, you should do the same, its natures way. circa Fri, 25 Jun 2004 03:04:06 +0100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, icarus (icarus@cold.com) said, > thanks, that's a sensible response and more in keeping with what I was > trying to say. when I suggested the course of action I didn't know the cat [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > with each other and learn how they treat young ones that misbehave, you > should do the same, its natures way. No, the responses here are from people who were actually paying attention, unlike you. Cats are cats. They are not people. Despite your attempts to make it sound as though you're smack in the midst of a bunch of nutty 'cat ladies', you are, quite simply, wrong, offensive and out of line. Grow up. Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde > circa Fri, 25 Jun 2004 03:04:06 +0100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > icarus (icarus@cold.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > No, the responses here are from people who were actually paying > attention, unlike you. Why should I be paying attention to threads that I haven't read ? I was responding to a single thread and not all of them. > Cats are cats. They are not people. Despite your attempts to make it > sound as though you're smack in the midst of a bunch of nutty 'cat > ladies', you are, quite simply, wrong, offensive and out of line. > Grow up. > > Laura I have explained my reasoning and advice in great detail. My point is very simple, if a cat misbehaves it is a good idea to chastise it in a manner which it is familiar with from its own mother. I am amazed that you don't deny that cats exhibit this behaviour amongst themselves but state that somehow its wrong if the owner and therefore adopted pack does. Your statement that cats are not people is very much in line with my view. Its your choice in attacking the individual and not discussing the viewpoint itself. Mind you if you had a rational explanation to justify your position you would have used it. Just saying something is wrong and shouldn't EVER (bold characters for dramatic effect) happen is not a rational discussion. > Your statement that cats are not people is very much in line with my view. > Its your choice in attacking the individual and not discussing the viewpoint > itself. Mind you if you had a rational explanation to justify your position > you would have used it. Just saying something is wrong and shouldn't EVER > (bold characters for dramatic effect) happen is not a rational discussion. <devil's advocate> So, I need to jusify that murder is wrong with rationality? I can't just say it is morally wrong in and of itself? How about child abuse? Do I need to justify that beating a child is just plain wrong? How about those people that dragged a dog behind their car? Do we need to explain to them why that's aborrhent or can we tell them they're sick f***s? </devil's advocate> Note that I think there is a huge difference between flicking a cat's nose and hitting it and am not going into *that* whole debate. *g* Signature-- ~kaeli~ No one is listening until you make a mistake. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace > > Your statement that cats are not people is very much in line with my view. > > Its your choice in attacking the individual and not discussing the viewpoint [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > to them why that's aborrhent or can we tell them they're sick f***s? > </devil's advocate> point taken, however my original posting said not to hurt the animal which should have put my statement into the correct context... 'you have to train them. gently, firmly but don't hurt them tho. they aint toys, they are animals. so dont hurt them but they shouldn't hurt you either.' > Note that I think there is a huge difference between flicking a cat's > nose and hitting it and am not going into *that* whole debate. *g* oh NO ! thats unfair to noses ! why descriminate against the poor nose, what's it done to you ? seriously tho, yes I agree totally. as I said ages ago, I used the wrong word although in the context used it should have been OK. Its the connotation of the word not what I said that's caused the problem I think. Sadly we live in a world of political correctness where nobody ever gives anyone the benefit of the doubt and takes the worst case scenario from any posting. ohhh, they are sick f****s by the way :) circa Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:27:04 +0100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, icarus (icarus@cold.com) said, > seriously tho, yes I agree totally. as I said ages ago, I used the wrong > word although in the context used it should have been OK. And yet, because I disagreed with your "wrong word", you assert that I am the one with the problem. Fascinating. Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde >From: "icarus" icarus@cold.com >My female cat >hits my male cat with her claws in to indicate displeasure so why shouldn't >you ? Um, let's see, maybe because a human weighs about 15 times more than the cat??? ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm > >From: "icarus" icarus@cold.com > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Um, let's see, maybe because a human weighs about 15 times more than the cat??? stupid argument as (if you read what I was saying) I am not advocating hurting the cat. If I hit an animal as hard as I could it would be dead and I am not suggesting it should be hurt at all. No doubt this will be taken out of context to suggest that I want to kill animals. circa Fri, 25 Jun 2004 02:51:33 +0100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, icarus (icarus@cold.com) said, > stupid argument Charming one you are. Try not being such an a.s next time, m'kay? Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde >From: Laura R. UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com >icarus (icarus@cold.com) said, >> For goodness sake, ... hit her. not hard but enough so she knows its [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Laura I completely agree! All hitting a cat does is cause it to fear the person, and teaches nothing. A cat should NEVER be hit!!! Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm > For goodness sake, ... hit her. not hard but enough so she knows its wrong. >cats are amoral, avaricious and aggessive. you have to train them. gently, >firmly but don't hurt them tho. > >they aint toys, they are animals. so dont hurt them but they shouldn't hurt >you either. hit a 2 month old kitten? are you crazy? i shove her away with my hand occasionally, but i'm certainly not hitting a kitten, or a cat for that matter. that's how they play, except theya re used to things that have fur. try explaining to a kitten that we don't have fur. -L > > For goodness sake, ... hit her. not hard but enough so she knows its wrong. > >cats are amoral, avaricious and aggessive. you have to train them. gently, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > -L You say '' try explaining to a kitten that we don't have fur." but how do you do that verbally ? I'm not talking about hurting the kitten, simply a clear indication of displeasure. Have you watched a mother cat with her young ? or any adult cat with an adolescent cat that's misbehaving ? They will hit the young-un with claws in to indicate displeasure so why shouldn't you ? circa Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:36:48 +0100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, icarus (icarus@cold.com) said, > > hit a 2 month old kitten? are you crazy? i shove her away with my > > hand occasionally, but i'm certainly not hitting a kitten, or a cat [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > You say '' try explaining to a kitten that we don't have fur." but how do > you do that verbally ? That is her POINT. You CAN'T. > I'm not talking about hurting the kitten, simply a clear indication of > displeasure. Have you watched a mother cat with her young ? or any adult cat > with an adolescent cat that's misbehaving ? They will hit the young-un with > claws in to indicate displeasure so why shouldn't you ? Because she is a human being and is capable of expressing her displeasure with the kitten's activity in more ways than a cat can. A sharp "no" or "ow", followed by depriving the kitten of her attention for a few minutes, is a very effective approach. And guess what? Cats do that to each other. <gasp> Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde >From: "icarus" icarus@cold.com >> > For goodness sake, ... hit her. not hard but enough so she knows its >wrong. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >with an adolescent cat that's misbehaving ? They will hit the young-un with >claws in to indicate displeasure so why shouldn't you ? Because the poster is not a cat, pure and simple. Humans should never strike a cat. It's just wrong! ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm > > For goodness sake, ... hit her. not hard but enough so she knows its wrong. > >cats are amoral, avaricious and aggessive. you have to train them. gently, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > -L I didn't notice your original posting mentioning the cats age either ;) circa Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:44:24 +0100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, icarus (icarus@cold.com) said, > > hit a 2 month old kitten? are you crazy? i shove her away with my > > hand occasionally, but i'm certainly not hitting a kitten, or a cat [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I didn't notice your original posting mentioning the cats age either ;) Perhaps because she has been posting about this kitten for weeks and figured that human beings are capable of using long-term memory and remembering that. Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde > circa Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:44:24 +0100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > icarus (icarus@cold.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > figured that human beings are capable of using long-term memory and > remembering that. funny thing, I don't read every posting. I have noticed one thing tho and that's how sanctimonious and patronising you are, I think I'll give your postings a miss, thanks. circa Thu, 24 Jun 2004 15:06:12 +0100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, icarus (icarus@cold.com) said, > > circa Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:44:24 +0100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > > icarus (icarus@cold.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > funny thing, I don't read every posting. I have noticed one thing tho and > that's how sanctimonious and patronising you are, And I've noticed the same about you; we agree on pne thing, at least. > I think I'll give your > postings a miss, thanks. I'm crushed. Laura SignatureMoral indignation is, in most cases, 2% moral, 48% indignation, and 50% envy. --Vittorio de Sica circa Thu, 24 Jun 2004 15:01:30 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Laura R. (UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com) said, > pne one SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde > > circa Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:44:24 +0100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > > icarus (icarus@cold.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > that's how sanctimonious and patronising you are, I think I'll give your > postings a miss, thanks. Heh. I was just thinking the same about you, Icky. |
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