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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / June 2004Cruel to be kind?
Okay. I feel like a monster. The Phantom , alias Trotsky, alias The Sleeping Policeman, was a local stray who decided he would risk life and limb and the terrors of the unknown by sneaking into the house to devour our cat's food. The Phantom was a sleek, rumbustuous tom cat, grey of fur and pointed of tail but with the bone structure of a hairy mastadon. The Phantom, bless him, would fly in terror if a leaf fell in a garden two houses away. It took a long time for him to accept that we, the humans and resident DaftCat, would tolerate him swaggering through our domain as if he owned the place. He was, very clean, and left no tell-tale smells that I could detect. So trust grew. And what was the first thing I did as soon as he let me pick him up? Stuff him in a cat carrier and haul him off to have his.. To be detabulated by the vet. Wow! It costs HOW MUCH? ! Oh my. Now he swaggers not, and is no longer rumbustuous and he isn;t very sleek, either. Rotund, is putting it kindly. I am feeding him measured amounts of dry cat food of which he has a liking that verges on the pathological. He does not eat it; he hoovers it up. You know those ships that chug up and down rivers dredging out the mud? THAT is the way he eats. And now we can't even think about the kitchen without the wretched and unhappy animal, throwing himself on our feet, writhing in a disgraceful manner, and yowling fit to bust. I feel a heel. DaftCat feeds on top of the freezer (it is a very small freezer), eats what he needs and walks away. I am used to sensible cats. The Phantom, devours what he is given then stares in amazed horror as we leave the kitchen without piling three days worth of food in his bowl. Trouble is both husband and I are at home and the animal was an expert at convincing either of us that the other hadn;t fed him for days - weeks, even. Even now wretched husband, is prone to saying 'ahh, but he's hungry...' I keep the dried cat food in my bedroom, for crying out loud. How many people have to HIDE the cat food? Has anybody had to go through this? At what point does cutting back on his food (to normal) become 'torturing the poor defenceless likkle puddy tat.' I am distraught - but not half as distraught as that damn cat. vee. > Okay. I feel like a monster. > The Phantom , alias Trotsky, alias The Sleeping Policeman, was a local stray [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > vee. We adopted Isabelle last September. Until just recently you couldn't enter the kitchen without her trailing along just certain that she was going to get fed ..... again. We had to feed Boots (the kitten) in a box with a hole to small for her to fit through and guard Tigger's food like it was the gold deposit in Fort Knox. We recently changed Isabelle over to the lite hair-ball food. She hates it. She has stopped inhaling it and only shows interest in the kitchen at the appointed meal times. Has she lost any weight? - no. At least she's not acting like food is her life any more. Only took 9 months. W >> Okay. I feel like a monster. >> The Phantom , alias Trotsky, alias The Sleeping Policeman, was a local [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > >W It has taken TuTu 6 &1/2 years and she still can't stand to see an empty food dish. Even though she doesn't always eat it, she wants food in it. MLB > >> Has anybody had to go through this? At what point does cutting back on his > >> food (to normal) become 'torturing the poor defenceless likkle puddy tat.' > >> > >> I am distraught - but not half as distraught as that damn cat. > >> > >> vee. > >We adopted Isabelle last September. Until just recently you couldn't enter > >the kitchen without her trailing along just certain that she was going to [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > empty food dish. Even though she doesn't always eat it, she wants > food in it. MLB Nine months and 6 1/2 years!! Oh my!!!! But, it takes me about that long to shed a few pounds. Glum. I wonder if this 'food is security' happens to cats that have had to fend for themselves in the past? Or are cats like us, some are greedy, and some not? I love the idea of feeding a kitten in a box. 8))) Just a minute!! "only shows interest in the kitchen at the appointed meal times. Has she lost any weight? - no. " Lor. This is what I am worried about, but you have a female? The Phantom was about three or four when I took him to the vets, and there is a commonly held belief that after a certain age a cat will go fat and lazy if they are castrated. But how true is this, or are people thinking about the typical eunuch you see in films, the ones wearing baggy trousers and a turban and carrying a big curved sword? Terrible cliche, but they are always huge. 8( Under the layer of self-satisfaction and the most glourious soft, thick grey fur (he must have some Russian blood in him somewhere) The Phantom is a BIG cat. The width across his shoulders makes two of DaftCat, and that animal is larger than normal. If I lived out in the country, or had plenty of hunting space around, I would love a Maine Coon.. I hope I have the name right. Saw some on TV and was enchanted. Great big, tough looking cats all whiskers and lashing tail. magnificent animals! Anyway... Would you believe this morning husband pinched the cat food and lugged it downstairs because 'well he was crying...' 'How much did you give him???' 'A handful...' That's it!! Now I take the cat food into bed with me! When this bag is empty I will try wet food only. At least I can count the empty bags in the waste bin. vee circa Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:04:20 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Vee (marrowjam@[totally) said, > Anyway... Would you believe this morning husband pinched the cat food and > lugged it downstairs because 'well he was crying...' [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > empty I will try wet food only. At least I can count the empty bags in the > waste bin. If you take the cat food into bed with you, where will your husband sleep? Laura  SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde "Laura R." <UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com> wrote in message > > Anyway... Would you believe this morning husband pinched the cat food and > > lugged it downstairs because 'well he was crying...' [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > If you take the cat food into bed with you, where will your husband > sleep? In his own room! Along with his walking frame, his crutches and his damn sit up and beg chair that has a cover reduced to ribbons by the cat - and his piles of magazines and his dropped clothes and his mountain of 'no don;t touch, I need all that paperwork'.. need I go on? meanwhile I have captured this room with the open window and traipsing cats and yowls, and hisses, and a great lump sleeping over my feet and my books and tidy counter tops and drawers, and computer and a ginger cat? Where did HE come from? OUT! And stretch up a couple of inches on this seat and I can see what is going on in the road... excuse me while I get my binoculars.... and because of a box at the end of my bed the door opens just wide enough for me to get in but... not a walking frame? Oh, what a shame. Vee. > In his own room! Very old world and elegant. I believe one of the secrets of a good marriage is separate rooms. That way visiting is always special and nobody becomes a snoring lump in the middle of the bed who hogs the covers. (He's still that when he sleeps in my room, but it's easier to take in the afterglow!) <EG > > In his own room! > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > (He's still that when he sleeps in my room, but it's easier to take in the > afterglow!) <EG> Olde worlde and helegant? ! Ha!! Just a combination of terrible sleeping problems (me) wheeeeze (him), lie there giving off heat like a coal-fire (me) scratch, scratch, scratch, (him and cat) and a 'oooh, my hip' (him) Me and cat took off to safer ground. One of us has disgusting habits and smokes in bed and eats crisps.. I think you call them potato chips. I love having my own territory. Tonight I lectured The Phantom when I found him sitting in the dark by his empty bowl. 'Wet food for you,' I said. 'Feed me!' he bawled. 'Nice Whiskas' lamb and peas,' I told him. 'Feed me NOW!' he shrieked. I fed him the lamb. He looked at the bowl in disgust, and yelled 'feed me!' again, so I left the room. He hissed at me. Probably said something extremely rude to my departing back. He has now flounced outside. No-doubt testing every cat-flap in the area. Vee. Vee. circa Thu, 24 Jun 2004 00:04:13 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Vee (marrowjam@[totally) said, > Tonight I lectured The Phantom when I found him sitting in the dark by his > empty bowl. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > back. > He has now flounced outside. No-doubt testing every cat-flap in the area. <snork> Wait until he starts trying to look waif-like for the neighbors and they think you're "starving the poor widdwe moggy" and take pity on him... SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde > circa Thu, 24 Jun 2004 00:04:13 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > Vee (marrowjam@[totally) said, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > <snork> > Wait until he starts trying to look waif-like for the neighbors and > they think you're "starving the poor widdwe moggy" and take pity on > him... Another bad day. I am doing the 'wet food with added crunchies on top' bit. I swear that cat can count. Any number less than twelve crunchies and he glares at me. But it does fool him somewhat. In his desperation to hoover up the biscuits he eats quite a bit of the food. Wet food on the rocks? He won't touch it. When he comes home I will measure him round his tummy parts. V circa Fri, 25 Jun 2004 22:53:34 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Vee (marrowjam@[totally) said, > > <snork> > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Wet food on the rocks? He won't touch it. > When he comes home I will measure him round his tummy parts. Perhaps a little tag on his collar- "don't feed me; I'm fat!" ;-) Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde "Laura R." <UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com> wrote in message > > Wet food on the rocks? He won't touch it. > > When he comes home I will measure him round his tummy parts. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Laura The Phantom is 19 1/4 inches round his tummy, a snug, but not tight fit. That doesn;t look so gross on the tape measure as it does on the cat. V circa Sun, 27 Jun 2004 20:03:23 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Veronica (marrowjam@wildblueyonder.co.uk) said, > > > Wet food on the rocks? He won't touch it. > > > When he comes home I will measure him round his tummy parts. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > The Phantom is 19 1/4 inches round his tummy, a snug, but not tight fit. > That doesn;t look so gross on the tape measure as it does on the cat. Your cat's waist is about five inches smaller than mine... Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde > circa Sun, 27 Jun 2004 20:03:23 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > Veronica (marrowjam@wildblueyonder.co.uk) said, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > > Your cat's waist is about five inches smaller than mine... Errr.. Oh. Um. Yes, right. I'll just shut up, shall I? V circa Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:08:44 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Veronica (marrowjam@wildblueyonder.co.uk) said, > > > The Phantom is 19 1/4 inches round his tummy, a snug, but not tight fit. > > > That doesn;t look so gross on the tape measure as it does on the cat. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Errr.. Oh. Um. Yes, right. > I'll just shut up, shall I? Well, he could be very, um, tall, I guess... Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde "Veronica" <marrowjam@wildblueyonder.co.uk> wrote > > Your cat's waist is about five inches smaller than mine... > Errr.. Oh. Um. Yes, right. > I'll just shut up, shall I? > > V And my Buddha is one-quarter-inch smaller! And she has LOST weight! I shudder to think what she measured before her diet! circa Sun, 27 Jun 2004 23:50:03 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Mary (rosefan@email.com) said, > "Veronica" <marrowjam@wildblueyonder.co.uk> wrote > > Your cat's waist is > about five inches smaller than mine... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > And my Buddha is one-quarter-inch smaller! And she has LOST weight! I > shudder to think what she measured before her diet! Okay, I need to start measuring my cats... Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde > circa Sun, 27 Jun 2004 23:50:03 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > Mary (rosefan@email.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > > Okay, I need to start measuring my cats... I was eyeing Cheeks just now thinking I might measure her, the little beanpole. She's too fast this morning, though. She has this second sense about when I want to lay hands on her to do something weird like measure her or remove an eyecorner boogie, and darts away like a tiny little deer. circa Mon, 28 Jun 2004 12:12:25 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Mary (rosefan@email.com) said, > She has this second sense > about when I want to lay hands on her to do something weird like measure her > or remove an eyecorner boogie, and darts away like a tiny little deer. When Alex had his horrible bout with feline acne, Oscar got it, too. I had to debride Oscar's chin (basically, pop his zits), and he was NOT happy about this. It was the only time in his life that he hissed and growled at me. Now, three years later, he *still* wigs out if he thinks I'm eyeing his chin looking for zits, or if I try to get an eye booger out. (That's why in some of the pictures of him that I've posted, he's got some big ol' boogers in his eyes- I have to choose which battles to fight and wiping his eyes is one I have to work up to). Anybody who says cats don't remember things for a loooong time is deluded. Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde > "Veronica" <marrowjam@wildblueyonder.co.uk> wrote > > Your cat's waist is > about five inches smaller than mine... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > And my Buddha is one-quarter-inch smaller! And she has LOST weight! I > shudder to think what she measured before her diet! Okay, so it isn;t the measurements that make a bloated cat, then. Perhaps it is the overall effect. For instance, when lying down, sleeping. Should the cat spread out like a furry star-fish? I feel most glum when I go walkies. This area filled with small happy, friendly cats who look all skin and bone and muscle. Then the Phantom meets me.. Oh my! WHAT a... big cat. Drat! DaftCat 19" Must take new photos. Vee. > Okay, so it isn;t the measurements that make a bloated cat, then. Perhaps it is the overall effect. Oh no, I think it is! > For instance, when lying down, sleeping. Should the cat spread out like a furry star-fish? Awww! > I feel most glum when I go walkies. This area filled with small happy, friendly cats who look all skin and bone and muscle. Then the Phantom meets me.. Oh my! WHAT a... big cat. Drat! DaftCat 19" > Must take new photos. I want to see! Meanwhile, try out that laser pointer. It will be exercise for him and hilarity for you. > Vee. > > I feel most glum when I go walkies. This area filled with small happy, > friendly cats who look all skin and bone and muscle. Then the Phantom meets [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I want to see! Awful problems with publishing new web site. I blame a nasty mixture of the server, FrontPage 2002, XP... and me? Whatever, none of us like any of the others and won;t play together. Meanwhile, try out that laser pointer. It will be exercise > for him and hilarity for you. Due to go out tomorrow (weather permitting) I will check out crumbly old pet shop up the hill or posh new pet shop down in Roseville. ROSEville! Ha! That's a laugh. Vee circa Mon, 28 Jun 2004 13:17:38 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Veronica (marrowjam@wildblueyonder.co.uk) said, > Awful problems with publishing new web site. I blame a nasty mixture of the > server, FrontPage 2002, XP... and me? Whatever, none of us like any of the > others and won;t play together. Are the FP extensions enabled on the server? Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde > circa Mon, 28 Jun 2004 13:17:38 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > Veronica (marrowjam@wildblueyonder.co.uk) said, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > Are the FP extensions enabled on the server? You looking for a fight? I had them on. I turned them off. I put them back. I started again. I turned them off. I started again. I turned them on.... Had none of this trouble before movingto XP machine. Like an idiot I decide it would be ideal time to slim down that awful FPage code so start again, and cut right back on styles and no theme at all, at all. At this pont, dear reader, I went crazy. Vee circa Mon, 28 Jun 2004 16:03:59 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Veronica (marrowjam@wildblueyonder.co.uk) said, > > circa Mon, 28 Jun 2004 13:17:38 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > > Veronica (marrowjam@wildblueyonder.co.uk) said, [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Vee What OS is on the server? Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde "Laura R." <UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com> wrote in message > > > > Are the FP extensions enabled on the server? > > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > > What OS is on the server? Wot? Seriously.. Computers I can pull em to bits, happy. I even grew to bully Win98. Now I am a bit flummoxed with XP and knew little to nothing about servers and allied programs despite being online for last... six years? Web site only last couple of years. Before, it just worked. I hit the publish icon and it did everything for me. Vee circa Mon, 28 Jun 2004 16:03:59 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Veronica (marrowjam@wildblueyonder.co.uk) said, > At this pont, dear reader, I went crazy. And this didn't happen until the computer problems? What were you before? Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde > circa Mon, 28 Jun 2004 16:03:59 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > Veronica (marrowjam@wildblueyonder.co.uk) said, > > At this pont, dear reader, I went crazy. > > > And this didn't happen until the computer problems? What were you > before? I am feeling a bit uneasy with all this no-cat nattering. Are you lot in any other, nattering group? I feel like blundering in somewhere else. Vee. > > circa Mon, 28 Jun 2004 16:03:59 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > > Veronica (marrowjam@wildblueyonder.co.uk) said, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > I am feeling a bit uneasy with all this no-cat nattering. Are you lot in any other, nattering group? I feel like blundering in somewhere else. Veronica--just do what you want. circa Mon, 28 Jun 2004 18:15:39 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Veronica (marrowjam@wildblueyonder.co.uk) said, > I am feeling a bit uneasy with all this no-cat nattering. Are you lot in any > other, nattering group? I feel like blundering in somewhere else. Just cats, NYC and computers, here. But I share your sentiment. Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde > circa Mon, 28 Jun 2004 18:15:39 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > Veronica (marrowjam@wildblueyonder.co.uk) said, > > I am feeling a bit uneasy with all this no-cat nattering. Are you lot in any > > other, nattering group? I feel like blundering in somewhere else. > > > Just cats, NYC and computers, here. But I share your sentiment. If you and mary will permit me to post to you directly I could give you the name of an alt group that used to be fun, nattering, but has slumped lately. Mostly UK folk, though. Yesterday, today been horrendous but! very, very basic cat photos now up, though one simpering tabby-cat looks very much like any other tabby cat (waits for howls of protest) Yes, they do. But when we look at our cats we not only see 'them' we see their personality as well. Strange cats just look like 'nice cats,' or 'oh-gor blimey what an ugly cat,' or 'ahhhhh, a kitten.' http://www.cherryjam.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/cat/cathome.htm vee - shattered. > If you and mary will permit me to post to you directly I could give you the name of an alt group that used to be fun, nattering, but has slumped lately. Sounds like fun! Mail me anytime, rosefan@email.com. I love your web site, particularly your "genealogy!" circa Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:07:51 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Veronica (marrowjam@wildblueyonder.co.uk) said, > If you and mary will permit me to post to you directly I could give you the > name of an alt group that used to be fun, nattering, but has slumped lately. > Mostly UK folk, though. Please do. > Yesterday, today been horrendous but! very, very basic cat photos now up, > though one simpering tabby-cat looks very much like any other tabby cat [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > vee - shattered. Phantom doesn't look at all fat in that picture; is it an old one? ;-) Love the site, btw. Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde "Laura R." <UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com> wrote in message > Phantom doesn't look at all fat in that picture; is it an old one? > ;-) Oh yes. 8) He was just getting used to walking indoors without slinking in on his tummy looking furtive - and scared. > Love the site, btw. At least it is starting again. Enough to make you go broadband <grumble, grumble> V circa Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:23:23 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Veronica (marrowjam@wildblueyonder.co.uk) said, > > And my Buddha is one-quarter-inch smaller! And she has LOST weight! I > > shudder to think what she measured before her diet! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > For instance, when lying down, sleeping. Should the cat spread out like a > furry star-fish? Depends; do his legs stick up in the air, buoyed by his fat, or does he just look like an amoeba? If the former, well, that's pretty chunky. If the latter, he's still pretty chunky, come to think of it... > I feel most glum when I go walkies. This area filled with small happy, > friendly cats who look all skin and bone and muscle. Pfft. Underfed. The Phantom is just saving up for an emergency. > Then the Phantom meets > me.. Oh my! WHAT a... big cat. > Drat! DaftCat 19" > > Must take new photos. There are some great photo editing programs out there; perhaps you could "slim" him down that way- and the hubby couldn't sabotage that one. Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde "Laura R." <UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com> wrote in message > > Then the Phantom meets > > me.. Oh my! WHAT a... big cat. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > could "slim" him down that way- and the hubby couldn't sabotage that > one. Graphics is my bag. I have turned DCat into a perfect sphere with legs sticking out before now. Have Photoshop Elements (can't afford a replacement big PS. (Thank you, XP.) which is a joy to use. There's a point. Must do a really fat Phantom then if anyone points at him and hoots, I can say 'ah, but look at the 'before' photo...' Vee. circa Mon, 28 Jun 2004 16:03:58 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Veronica (marrowjam@wildblueyonder.co.uk) said, > > > Must take new photos. > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > There's a point. Must do a really fat Phantom then if anyone points at him > and hoots, I can say 'ah, but look at the 'before' photo...' You might want to just take to walking the "before" photo on a leash and leaving Phantom at home. Then nobody will cluck at you for getting him so fat. Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde "Laura R." <UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com> wrote > Your cat's waist is about five inches smaller than mine... I just measured Buddha--19 inches! circa Sun, 27 Jun 2004 23:43:23 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Mary (rosefan@email.com) said, > "Laura R." <UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com> wrote > Your cat's > waist is about five inches smaller than mine... > > I just measured Buddha--19 inches! DANG! SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde > circa Sun, 27 Jun 2004 23:43:23 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > Mary (rosefan@email.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > > DANG! Yes, this is a bad thing because this is a petite girl cat in everything but girth. Her former daddy was a sweet Good Old Boy who adored her but love was too often expressed as "Want a goody?!" I'll have to send you before and after pics of her slender and then rotund. On the good side, we are slowly taking it off, and she is amazingly active and agile, which is both surprising and really amusing. Imagine a really fast, really flexible, really fat cat zipping around and doing acrobatics, belly flopping away. A most adorable creature, I must say. I have no place to post photos, but perhaps will email you one of her and Cheeks. circa Mon, 28 Jun 2004 12:16:00 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Mary (rosefan@email.com) said, > Yes, this is a bad thing because this is a petite girl cat in everything but > girth. Her former daddy was a sweet Good Old Boy who adored her but love was [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > most adorable creature, I must say. I have no place to post photos, but > perhaps will email you one of her and Cheeks. Please do; I'd love to see these famous felines. :-) Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde >> In his own room! > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >(He's still that when he sleeps in my room, but it's easier to take in the >afterglow!) <EG> wow, i don't feel like my boyfriend and i are odd we have separate bedrooms too. he keeps his organized mess in his and i never have to clean it. -L circa Wed, 23 Jun 2004 21:27:04 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, MadHatter (devil_m@y_care.lost) said, > >Very old world and elegant. I believe one of the secrets of a good marriage > >is separate rooms. That way visiting is always special and nobody becomes a [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > bedrooms too. he keeps his organized mess in his and i never have to > clean it. My parents have separate bedrooms because they both snore. Well, sometimes they have separate bedrooms, anyway. About every three months, they decide to sleep in the same room again, and then another three months or so later, they go back to the separate rooms. They've been doing this for years. Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde circa Wed, 23 Jun 2004 20:42:34 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Vee (marrowjam@[totally) said, > > If you take the cat food into bed with you, where will your husband > > sleep? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > piles of magazines and his dropped clothes and his mountain of 'no don;t > touch, I need all that paperwork'.. need I go on? I see British men are remarkably similar to American men. Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde > circa Wed, 23 Jun 2004 20:42:34 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > Vee (marrowjam@[totally) said, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > > I see British men are remarkably similar to American men. Absolutely!! My first partner was from Michigan and take it from me, he was JUST the same - only with him it was boating magazines and my current model it is electronics and model railway magazines (sob). I mean, do they REALLY need magazines going back to the 1960s? Really??? Vee - a dedicated 'if you don;t use it, dump it' person. circa Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:03:39 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Vee (marrowjam@[totally) said, > > > In his own room! Along with his walking frame, his crutches and his damn > sit [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > JUST the same - only with him it was boating magazines and my current model > it is electronics and model railway magazines (sob). I grew up in Michigan; you have my sympathy. Now, as far as the silly pack rat behavior, I just do not know what makes people do that, either. > I mean, do they REALLY need magazines going back to the 1960s? Really??? Oh, but he might need it SOME day, don't you know? > Vee - a dedicated 'if you don;t use it, dump it' person. I hear that. Clutter sucks. Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde >Absolutely!! My first partner was from Michigan and take it from me, he was >JUST the same - only with him it was boating magazines and my current model >it is electronics and model railway magazines (sob). Sigh. Same here. Only it's beekeeper and gardening magazines, and clock restoration catalogues. My sons house is littered with gaming and computer magazines. I thought it was genetic. Sherry circa 24 Jun 2004 14:04:30 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Sherry (sriddles@aol.comkitty) said, > >Absolutely!! My first partner was from Michigan and take it from me, he was > >JUST the same - only with him it was boating magazines and my current model [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Sherry It is; it's carried on the Y chromosome. ;-) Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde > >Absolutely!! My first partner was from Michigan and take it from me, he was > >JUST the same - only with him it was boating magazines and my current model > >it is electronics and model railway magazines (sob). > > > Sigh. Same here. Only it's beekeeper and gardening magazines, and clock > restoration catalogues. Oh, that does have the virtue of sounding very high-class though. Model Railway just sounds like little boys lying on the carpet going 'chuff-chuff! Whooo-whooo!' Bees, gardens and clocks at least have an end product that everyone can use. Though DaftCat loves the testing track - a small oval just to check that lovingly detailed coal wagon from some colliery that went defunct in 1952 has its wheels on the right way and will couple. Round and round goes the little black engine pulling the little wagon. Round and round. Out comes the avenging paw and Bop! I know just how he feels. Vee. > > >> Has anybody had to go through this? At what point does cutting back on > his [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > Just a minute!! "only shows interest in the kitchen at the appointed meal > times. Has she lost any weight? - no. " But hey she's not gaining either :o) > Lor. This is what I am worried about, but you have a female? The Phantom was > about three or four when I took him to the vets, and there is a commonly > held belief that after a certain age a cat will go fat and lazy if they are > castrated. But how true is this, or are people thinking about the typical > eunuch you see in films, the ones wearing baggy trousers and a turban and > carrying a big curved sword? Terrible cliche, but they are always huge. 8( all my cats have been neutered. It seems my females are the ones with the weight problem. Isabelle came that way tho so this one isn't my fault. > Under the layer of self-satisfaction and the most glourious soft, thick > grey fur (he must have some Russian blood in him somewhere) The Phantom is [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > 'How much did you give him???' > 'A handful...' I think men must have a diet sabotage gene. > That's it!! Now I take the cat food into bed with me! When this bag is > empty I will try wet food only. At least I can count the empty bags in the > waste bin. > > vee > "Vee" <marrowjam@[totally wild}blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message > > Just a minute!! "only shows interest in the kitchen at the appointed meal > > times. Has she lost any weight? - no. " > > But hey she's not gaining either :o) Ahhh! > > Anyway... Would you believe this morning husband pinched the cat food and > > lugged it downstairs because 'well he was crying...' > > 'How much did you give him???' > > 'A handful...' > > I think men must have a diet sabotage gene. I think 'some' men are just daft. I mean, if you trudged about, awkwardly on a crutch, would you start teasing a cat with the end of it? Like: 'Pounce, cat! Chase the mousy! Here cat,' tickle-tickle. Then he moans when said cat throws himself bodily at the end of the crutch when he is walking. Mad. He will end up falling on the animal and then there will be two silly beggars rolling about on the floor. I give up. Vee circa Wed, 23 Jun 2004 20:42:35 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Vee (marrowjam@[totally) said, > > I think men must have a diet sabotage gene. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Mad. He will end up falling on the animal and then there will be two silly > beggars rolling about on the floor. Yep, that's a man. Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde > I am distraught - but not half as distraught as that damn cat. 1. I really like your writing style! 2. I am having success in feeding my fat cat wet food. She is happier, loves it, and is losing weight. I still give her a little bit of dry in between her morning and evening feedings of wet--she gets half a small can at each feeding. By small I mean the Fancy Feast size. >Okay. I feel like a monster. >The Phantom , alias Trotsky, alias The Sleeping Policeman, was a local stray [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > >vee. ouch. we had a daughter of our cat spayed at about 6 months and she turned from a slim, long-legged shy kitty into a barrel on little legs. i told my mom to give her diet food and not feed her any more than she feeds the other cat. my heart goes out to you and you Phantom. -L > >I am distraught - but not half as distraught as that damn cat. > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > than she feeds the other cat. my heart goes out to you and you > Phantom. You know, I never realised that female spayed cats also can go chubby. You live and learn. Blimey, isn;t this a busy group? Vee >> >I am distraught - but not half as distraught as that damn cat. >> > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Vee i don't know what it is. it must be a hormone change, or something. we got her and her mother cat spayed at the same time and the mom, Murka, is still the same lean, fast moving small-animal killer as she was before. -L > >"MadHatter" <devil_m@y_care.lost> wrote in message > >> ouch. we had a daughter of our cat spayed at about 6 months and she > >> turned from a slim, long-legged shy kitty into a barrel on little [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Murka, is still the same lean, fast moving small-animal killer as she > was before. You are probably right. I looked at the Phantom when he first turned up round here,lurking, and thought 'Gosh! A Russian Blue. Someone new in the neighbourhood.' After he moved in I did a bit if webbing and read these cats have slender, elegant bone structure. Ummm. A cross-breed, then? Then I read they can often be nervy and suspicious - definitely a cross-breed... THEN I read that they often develop a likeing for dried food.. Like a fool I went out and bought some. Never used it before. Now the wretched animal won;t eat anything else. War-talks this morning with the man. Told him three pouches a day only, with a small sprinkle of dried food on top - or else. Oh, when I asked the vet if he thought there was Russian blood in the cat he started to guffaw. Drat! I mean, that moggie has shoulders on him like Rambo. Delicate, he is not. Must get catty web-pages up and you can see for yourselves. Thick fur, pointy-tail, hypersensitive bulldozer - who isn;t talking to me this morning. Vee circa Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:16:40 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Vee (marrowjam@[totally) said, > You are probably right. > I looked at the Phantom when he first turned up round here,lurking, and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > War-talks this morning with the man. Told him three pouches a day only, with > a small sprinkle of dried food on top - or else. Ah, but was the man really listening, or was he doing that "yes, dear" nodding thing? > Oh, when I asked the vet if he thought there was Russian blood in the cat he > started to guffaw. Drat! I mean, that moggie has shoulders on him like > Rambo. Delicate, he is not. Well, the world needs cobby cats, too... > Must get catty web-pages up and you can see for yourselves. Definitely; pictures are a must. > Thick fur, > pointy-tail, hypersensitive bulldozer - who isn;t talking to me this > morning. Sounds like my cats every time they've been to the vets. Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde circa Wed, 23 Jun 2004 21:01:07 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Vee (marrowjam@[totally) said, > Blimey, isn;t this a busy group? I'm homebound 'cause of foot surgery; what's everybody else's excuse? ;-) Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde > circa Wed, 23 Jun 2004 21:01:07 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > Vee (marrowjam@[totally) said, > > Blimey, isn;t this a busy group? > > > I'm homebound 'cause of foot surgery; what's everybody else's excuse? Yup. I read that with great interest, especially the bit about pushing a little trolley in front of you. I can appreciate what it felt like to be mobile again. I'm homebound because of the man, and my own inclinations to be bone idle. Vee circa Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:16:41 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Vee (marrowjam@[totally) said, > > Vee (marrowjam@[totally) said, > > > Blimey, isn;t this a busy group? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Yup. I read that with great interest, especially the bit about pushing a > little trolley in front of you. I'm sure my downstairs neighbors despise me now. > I can appreciate what it felt like to be mobile again. I have developed an entirely new appreciation for how difficult it is to not have full use of all of one's limbs. I simply do not know how people manage it long-term without becoming raving lunatics. On the bright side, I have become very, very creative in getting objects from one place to another. I've discovered that my bra makes a lovely pouch for small items, for example. Lord knows my boobs don't take up much space. And if it's not breakable, kicking it or batting it with a crutch is a fine method for moving it. Throwing works, too. And liquids do well in sealed containers. And if one squeezes hard enough, it's possible to steer a crutch with one's armpit. > I'm homebound because of the man, and my own inclinations to be bone idle. I've been wondering- is his injury a permanent thing, or temporary? I've also discovered that if I could do nothing but lie about the house (provided I'm fully mobile), I'd be quite content to do so. Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde "Laura R." <UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com> wrote in message > > Yup. I read that with great interest, especially the bit about pushing a > > little trolley in front of you. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > to not have full use of all of one's limbs. I simply do not know how > people manage it long-term without becoming raving lunatics. The carer becomes a raving lunatic, you mean, surely? I started a thread on some surgical web site and attracted a host of other people who have had the same op, with varying results. When I said: 'Am I the only one who feels like braining my husband with his own crutch?' I was given the cold shoulder - and on my own thread too. Glum. > On the bright side, I have become very, very creative in getting > objects from one place to another. I've discovered that my bra makes > a lovely pouch for small items, for example. !!!!!.. Um, I will suggest it to the man. <giggle> Lord knows my boobs > don't take up much space. And if it's not breakable, kicking it or > batting it with a crutch is a fine method for moving it. Throwing > works, too. Did you drop a lot of things? My crockery has slumped in leaps and bounds. Milk bottle goes crash! and 'Veroni-CA!' because he is marooned in a puddle of milk and broken glass. One false step with the crutch and splat, on the floor. It is no joke. > > I'm homebound because of the man, and my own inclinations to be bone idle. > > I've been wondering- is his injury a permanent thing, or temporary? Permanent following total hip removal - Some can get back to trotting with a single cane. Some give up and end up with a chair. most are somewhere in between. Incidentally, your country one of the best for after-care for these patients. Probably because you pay for it through insurance? My man had hardly any physio despite me raising the roof. Treated him as hip replacement, the silly... thingies. > I've also discovered that if I could do nothing but lie about the > house (provided I'm fully mobile), I'd be quite content to do so. You have to be very thick skinned to be bone idle, and have no concience at all. It's another genetic thing, I reckon. (yawnnnn..... Time for a slouch, I think.) Should we be wittering on like this? Not a mention of a cat. V >Should we be wittering on like this? Not a mention of a >cat. SURE you should! :') I'm sorry to hear that your husband had to have his hip removed. I gather there are times they cannot do replacement? > >Should we be wittering on like this? Not a mention of a >cat. > > > SURE you should! :') > > I'm sorry to hear that your husband had to have his hip removed. I gather > there are times they cannot do replacement? History of infections in the joint. It is a knotty problem and turns a bit mechanical. Put simply: Chop of top 2" of femur including ball-joint, and parts of socket. Now wait to see if this solves the infection problem. I have been in contact with people who leave well alone at this point (my man), people who eventually have replacements, and folk who have had replacements and infection returns. You really cannot tell what will happen to a patiets whose initial infection arrived out of the blue. (don;t you love my easy use of medical terminology?) Okay. main snags: After the removal (A Girdlestone op) patients wears a built-up shoe and must learn to walk on a soft hip joint. Can be very painful initially. For some, can be a doddle. If no hard physiotherapy at this time, those big muscles in the thigh start to rotate the affected leg so foot points sideways (my man) Muscles adapt to new position and... and spine often starts to compensate and alter its normal curve. Got me? So these people can get about quite happily with a slight twist to one side and a funny looking foot. Ballet position number 5, I think. 8) Now imagne what happens when they get a hip replacement years later. The muscles on one side are wasted or slightly deformed and the spine suddenly has to reajust again and often it won't. Result: that scourge of erect humans, backache. One sad man distaught, after hobbling about happily for about six years, had a replacement and was very happy, but developed such severe back problems he had to have the artificial joint removed. This brings us to a big snag, and the one that scares my husband. A Girdlestone op typically removes 2" of bone and joint. For a hip replacement far more bone is taken away to accomodate the insertion of that long spiky thing into the marrow area. If that gets reinfected and removed these people are left with a good four, sometimes more, inches to be added to a shoe. Dragging the built up shoe about by a leg already abused, is a major headache for my man. He says he cannot face the thought of a shoe twice as heavy and, because his spine is already badly twisted to compensate, and his consultant said 'well I wouldn;t...' when asked about replacements... has decided to carry on clumping. What horrified me was the consultant said if a patients insists on a replacement, then he would put them on the list. But.. sia patient mught be one of the lucky ones. Toss a coin. It also depends on where you live, I suspect, and whether your health care comes free,or you have to pay for it either from your own purse or through insurance. In UK, unless patients are extremely lucky to get a physio who has a bit of sense, then they will be treated as hip replacements, taught how to walk, get up a couple of steps, then booted off home. Having a bit of past history, I asked my man 'what about the muscle strengthening? Deportment? A man in S. Africa was put on a cycle machine and told to pedal for dear life. A man and woman in US have been sat on giant space bouncer balls and told 'balance, or you will fall on the floor'. A woman in Norway was chucked into a swimming pool. He was walked round and round a gym. Nothing else. I made a fuss, I was told to mind my own business. Even general practitioners, home doctors, know little about this op, though nationwide, it is common enough. I have ignored aspects of age, build and disposition of the patient as this is obvious and affects recovery of any old bone operation. Hey ho. Luckilly, my man is a dogged, ruddy obstinate, very light built and short bloke, who limped through horrible pain, refused to give up until the hip joint collapsed (on the bathroom floor, luckilly) and now clumps through awkwardness and occasional fall-over. Pity the poor people who are overweight or give up without a fight; they end up in wheelchairs.One lady refuses to get out of bed. Vee. Folding up soap-box and creepng away. I have just re-read that. Blush. It sounds as if I am addressing five year olds. Sorry. 8( "Vee" <marrowjam@[totally wild}blueyonder.co.uk> wrote> History of infections in the joint. It is a knotty problem > normal curve. Got me? So these people can get about quite happily with a slight twist to one side and a funny looking foot. Ballet position number 5 I think. 8) You are wicked funny. It sounds like he (and you too) has been through hell, but I'll bet you keep him laughing. > Vee. Folding up soap-box and creepng away. I have just re-read that. Blush. > It sounds as if I am addressing five year olds. Vee, I knew nothing about this and have some older relatives who might face it one day. I am very appreciative that you took the time and put forth the effort to explain it to me. They make hip replacement sound like a cake walk here. Clearly it is not. Good to know. > "Vee" <marrowjam@[totally wild}blueyonder.co.uk> wrote> History of > infections in the joint. It is a knotty problem [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > You are wicked funny. It sounds like he (and you too) has been through hell, > but I'll bet you keep him laughing. He isn;t a whiner. I am a whiner. He is funny and clever (Gemini) , but I bounce up and down making a lot of noise. (Leo! Leo!) Between us we puzzle people because we don;t appear as the standard impoverished disabled guy and wife-carer all sad and slightly dumb. When we went before the medical board to scrounge a grant for him to get a car the lady who was 'assisting us' said : I really think you should try to look worried and nervous when you go in the room.' Who, US? As for 'going through hell..' He had his moments of dispair. Unfortunately I am a sort of 'cope magnificently now - pay for it later' type. Which is just what he needed, really. Quite enough to see your life changing without having a weeping woman wailing 'what are we going to do?' Though I did hit the bottle big-time, and paid for my new slimming diet of vodka and fresh air. Boy, but I got skinny! Ah well. I learned the hard way that I had a quirk. Boo-hoo, no more drinkies. Vee. Folding up soap-box and creepng away. I have just re-read that. > Blush. > > It sounds as if I am addressing five year olds. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > effort to explain it to me. They make hip replacement sound like a cake walk > here. Clearly it is not. Good to know. heck!. There are all sorts of things I haven;t mentioned but I am no expert.Mind, I did have one guy, in his wretched seventies, as well, who wrote to me and /complained/ that he could not longer go.. back-packing, is it? Then he wrote.. After five miles with a walking stick I am exhausted. WHAT? I can't do five hundred yards without falling over, and as for the man.... Five miles... Good grief! V. circa Fri, 25 Jun 2004 22:53:32 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Vee (marrowjam@[totally) said, > > "Vee" <marrowjam@[totally wild}blueyonder.co.uk> wrote> History of > > infections in the joint. It is a knotty problem [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Vee. Folding up soap-box and creepng away. I have just re-read that. I find your soap box quite interesting, personally. You keep a lot of stuff in there. > > Blush. > > > It sounds as if I am addressing five year olds. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > WHAT? I can't do five hundred yards without falling over, and as for the > man.... Five miles... Good grief! I guess it's all relative, eh? Lawd knows how far that guy used to walk before! Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde circa Fri, 25 Jun 2004 08:52:58 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Vee (marrowjam@[totally) said, > > >Should we be wittering on like this? Not a mention of a >cat. > > > [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > Vee. Folding up soap-box and creepng away. I have just re-read that. Blush. > It sounds as if I am addressing five year olds. Sorry. 8( It sounds like no such thing; I found it fascinating. Does your husband have a history of bone infection aside from the hip? From the reading I've been doing since my foot surgery (because bone infection is a very, very real possibility with this surgery), bone infection in adults is nearly always the result of surgery or some other cutting compromise of the bone. In children, it's sometimes ideopathic/spontaneous, but in adults, it's usually the direct result of some assault to the bone. How did your husband's infections first start, do you know? The whole thing sounds incredibly painful to me; kudos to you both for dealing with this as well as you have. Also, have you considered obtaining the exercises that a PT here in the States would normally give to somebody with your husband's condition, and then just doing them on your own? I know that my PT (shoulder issues) has an actual database of exercises that he can print out for patients. It would seem to me that if you could get the appropriate exercise regime, your husband could do a lot on his own. Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde "Laura R." <UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com> wrote in message > It sounds like no such thing; I found it fascinating. Does your > husband have a history of bone infection aside from the hip? From the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > of some assault to the bone. How did your husband's infections first > start, do you know? Drat! You used my best word, already!!! No, the infection just appeared about ten years ago. ? history of injury. Not proven. > The whole thing sounds incredibly painful to me; kudos to you both > for dealing with this as well as you have. The infection part was, and did get very serious indeed. Pain included, free of charge. Looking back he says he wishes they had whipped the joint out during his first attack. Twice times in hospital to clear up infection. Second time rather hairy. Man was very ill. Then the joint collapsed and down he went and in he went and over twelve hours on a trolley before a bed was available. Just sit in the little cubicle, grit your teeth and hang on in there. > Also, have you considered obtaining the exercises that a PT here in > the States would normally give to somebody with your husband's > condition, and then just doing them on your own? I know that my PT > (shoulder issues) has an actual database of exercises that he can > print out for patients. It would seem to me that if you could get the > appropriate exercise regime, your husband could do a lot on his own. Have any of you got a man who won't take your advice but will listen to his friends? I have. When he was finally discharged and was being taken off to physio twice a week, he refused to let me go with him (no room in the ambulance car), refused to admit that the 'keep on walking' wasn;t helping to resolve the 'turning foot' problem, refused my suggestion that he asks for a second opinion. As for 'going private' and paying for it.. The man had a fit. 'I have been paying my national health since I was seventeen, and I don;t see why... etc. etc.' I even phoned up his last hospital and tried to speak to the one physio who was horrified when she heard they were discharging him, but when she phoned back, HE answered the phone and told her 'I was being hysterical. ' I damn-well almost was, at him. I think this reaction is a 'Ronaldish' thing. It was 'his' hip. He wasn;t going to share it with me. He had lost his work, his group of cronies, and after the long spell in hospital, his world-view shifted slightly. His world wasn't 'my world' and it was all he had to feel special. He needed this for a time, what having being pressured to take early retirement. A blow for most men in late fifties. I was rather surprised on how aggressive he became at what he called 'my interference,' but it was understandable. Wrong, but I could undertand it. I have seen far worse reactions to a sudden disabling disease/accident.. 8( Now he is lust a lazy bum, although he does walk daily, If wet, from front door to TV and back for half an hour! It is, a very small house. he is probaly more active than I am. 8( Glum. But sit and do muscle stretching/ strain movements? No. Will do two days then give up. Now he has a semi-automatic car again (I don;t drive) but is very nervous about it. he hated driving before. Now it is much worse and he will keep trying to change gear. But he has the means to get out of the street now, which has to be good for him after four years of having to rely on taxis or friends (trips to various steam railways - ugh...) Poor little bloke. But what with asthma and exzma and him being a bleeder (Gawd!, what a list!) he has never been physically very active so main hobbies and interests are still being followed with gusto. V circa Sat, 26 Jun 2004 08:14:48 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Vee (marrowjam@[totally) said, > "Laura R." <UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com> wrote in message > > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Drat! You used my best word, already!!! What, ideopathic? I've legions of polysyllabic descriptors. > No, the infection just appeared > about ten years ago. > ? history of injury. Not proven. Wow; that is quite unusual, from what I understand. How frustrating it must be to just have it come out of nowhere. > > The whole thing sounds incredibly painful to me; kudos to you both > > for dealing with this as well as you have. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > was available. > Just sit in the little cubicle, grit your teeth and hang on in there. Yes, my surgeon made it excruciatingly clear to me that infection, in particular bone infection, is *not* something to take lightly. It's nasty, nasty stuff. From what I've read, even morphine doesn't quite eliminate the pain, and amputation of the affected bone is not at all uncommon. > > Also, have you considered obtaining the exercises that a PT here in > > the States would normally give to somebody with your husband's [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Have any of you got a man who won't take your advice but will listen to his > friends? I have. You should meet my father. > When he was finally discharged and was being taken off to physio twice a > week, he refused to let me go with him (no room in the ambulance car), [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > after the long spell in hospital, his world-view shifted slightly. His world > wasn't 'my world' and it was all he had to feel special. Well, you're a sight more understanding than I'd probably be in your position. I just keep trying to bend people to my will no matter how hard they fight it. I'd probably have ended up divorced. Or shot by a ticked-off husband. > He needed this for a time, what having being pressured to take early > retirement. A blow for most men in late fifties. My father welcomed early retirement with open arms, oddly. He had to have a spinal fusion and vertabrae reconstruction from pieces of his hipbone. We all thought that being forced into early retirement would turn him into an angry man, but he *loves* it. He's sixty-five now, mind you, but retirement definitely suits him. > I was rather surprised on how aggressive he became at what he called 'my > interference,' but it was understandable. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > But sit and do muscle stretching/ strain movements? No. Will do two days > then give up. Oh, you definitely have more patience than I. I would be going nuts not being able to understand why he wouldn't want to pursue physical therapy and *do* it. I mean, why *not* do something that isn't going to hurt and *could* help? > Now he has a semi-automatic car again (I don;t drive) but is very nervous > about it. he hated driving before. Now it is much worse and he will keep [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > (Gawd!, what a list!) he has never been physically very active so main > hobbies and interests are still being followed with gusto. No wonder he keeps all those magazines forever. ;-) Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde "Laura R." <UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com> wrote > Well, you're a sight more understanding than I'd probably be in your position. I just keep trying to bend people to my will no matter how hard they fight it. My sister! *Sniff* circa Sun, 27 Jun 2004 15:30:10 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Mary (rosefan@email.com) said, > "Laura R." <UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com> wrote > Well, > you're a sight more understanding than I'd probably be in your position. I > just keep trying to bend people to my will no matter how hard they fight it. > > My sister! *Sniff* I know my flaws. :-) Doesn't mean I try to change 'em, but I know 'em. <G> Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde > circa Sun, 27 Jun 2004 15:30:10 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > Mary (rosefan@email.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Laura Grin. My mother... My mother who was supposed to love me as the only child of her bazoom.. yt mother actually told my Ronald, before we were married... 'There is one thing you have to realise about Veronica; she is never happy until everyone about her is in a state of high tension and about to run up the wall.' It's a skill, you know. V circa Sun, 27 Jun 2004 20:24:41 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Veronica (marrowjam@wildblueyonder.co.uk) said, > > > My sister! *Sniff* > > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > It's a skill, you know. Indeed. And it requires constant honing. Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde > circa Sun, 27 Jun 2004 20:24:41 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > Veronica (marrowjam@wildblueyonder.co.uk) said, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Laura I think we should invite Veronica to join our Bitch Club. circa Sun, 27 Jun 2004 23:44:41 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Mary (rosefan@email.com) said, > > circa Sun, 27 Jun 2004 20:24:41 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > > Veronica (marrowjam@wildblueyonder.co.uk) said, [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > I think we should invite Veronica to join our Bitch Club. Does she have a treehouse? SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde "Laura R." <UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com> wrote : > Does she have a treehouse? She might. Hell, I'd settle for a club basement if we got to have our Super Double Secret Meetings in the UK! > "Laura R." <UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com> wrote : > > Does she have a treehouse? > > She might. Hell, I'd settle for a club basement if we got to have our Super > Double Secret Meetings in the UK! Do have a willow, leaves scraping weedy vole reserve, but no house. Only cat ever to climb this tree was tiny - I mean tiny - baby black kitten (Spawn of Satan found in a bus-shelter going 'meep-meep') who, when first let out went straight up it, and climbed to top, very thin branches, was bouncing up and down like a yo-yo then yelled to be rescued. Eventually, I lugged out far too heavy steps, and lured S-O-S down to where I could grab him - whole hand went round his tummy area. Man standing under tree saying helpful things like 'more to the left.. NOW! You missed him, go right, up! NOW! You missed him.' Took kitten inside,shut door, shut window. Went to kitchen to make tea... heard a voice..'No, No, don;t jump out the window!' WHAT?! 'I didn;t think he was big enough to jump down.... Why was he on the windowsill? I er, well he was trying to get up there... Opened the window? Yes, er, I did.' Man is a buffoon. S-O-S once again at very top of the tree and this time all the neighbours came out to laugh at me. That sweet little flea-bag, completely untrained, practically still had the cord attached, also found every gap less than four inches in the house and used it as a toilet. And all the carpets... and the beds... and other cats if they didn;t move fast enough. This was where I learned about biological washing powder, dry, to remove poo-poo smell. Grrrr. Trained him, scratch with finger in litter. Look, nice cat. Clever cat! Oh GOOD boy! <stroke, stroke, stroke>. Intelligent cat, apart from climbing trees. Pretty cat. My pair started living under bushes in the back garden. You know what adult cats think about tiny kittens. Where is the mother, red in tooth and protective claw? Soon passed over for rehoming and woman had ANOTHER Spawn of S kitten, coal black and they liked each other at sight. This precious pair went out as a matching set. Oh, dear God. I felt so sorry for the eventual new owners. About three weeks and he turned my hair white. vee circa Mon, 28 Jun 2004 13:17:37 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Veronica (marrowjam@wildblueyonder.co.uk) said, > Oh, dear God. I felt so sorry for the eventual new owners. About three weeks > and he turned my hair white. That's as good an excuse as any. ;-) Laura SignatureExperience is the name every one gives to their mistakes. -Oscar Wilde "Veronica" <marrowjam@wildblueyonder.co.uk> wrote > Do have a willow, leaves scraping weedy vole reserve, but no house. > Only cat ever to climb this tree was tiny - I mean tiny - baby black kitten (Spawn of Satan found in a bus-shelter going 'meep-meep') I love kitties who say "meep-meep!" > Took kitten inside,shut door, shut window. Went to kitchen to make tea... > heard a voice..'No, No, don;t jump out the window!' [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > S-O-S once again at very top of the tree and this time all the neighbours came out to laugh at me. This is so cute! He knew where he wanted to be! > That sweet little flea-bag, completely untrained, practically still had the cord attached, also found every gap less than four inches in the house and used it as a toilet. Oh, Veronica, this is the worst. > Trained him, scratch with finger in litter. Look, nice cat. Clever cat! Oh GOOD boy! <stroke, stroke, stroke>. That's the way to do it. Cats are suckers for love! > > > Grin. My mother... My mother who was supposed to love me as the only > child [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > I think we should invite Veronica to join our Bitch Club. What? !! <shock, horror> Send me the forms. You wait until I try to stop smoking again. I remain quiet, placid and sweet natured, but everybody around me suddenly turns in carping, o |
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