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Melissa Houle - 20 Jun 2004 20:23 GMT
Hello everyone,

I'm a new poster here, and am wondering if anyone else has had this
experience.
First, the positives, Francesca is an apparently healthy seven-month
old female, who is alert, curious and has a good appetite for every
meal. I feed both my cats a raw meat diet mixed in with Sojourner
Farms Cat food mix, which is a combination of various grains soaked in
water.  She appears quite able to use the litter box and pass her
wastes without physical distress. I only adopted her one month ago,
but her behavior has been entirely normal within her personal
parameters. She's not one of those "top-speed" cats who leaves paw
prints on walls and ceilings, so to speak, but she and I spent a
quarter of an hour playing with her favorite toy this morning, and she
went at it with all her normal vigor.

What concerns me, is that she is bleeding a bit from her rectum. It's
kind of like a slow drip from a faucet. If she's been sitting in one
place for a while, there will be a little spot of  fresh blood left
behind when she gets up. She does not appear to be in pain or
distress, but bleeding from the rectum doesn't seem like a good sign,
to me, even though it's a very small drop, here and there.  The rectum
itself doesn't seem to be sore or inflamed to the naked eye. I was so
concerned when I first discovered this last night, that I called a
local emergency vet for advice, who told me it probably wasn't an
emergency but to make an appointment with my regular vet to check this
out, which I plan to do tomorrow.

One detail is, I have an older neutered male cat who I've had for
sixteen years.  Last night, he chased Cesca right under the dining
room cabinet, and sat there, hissing and growling at her for several
minutes until I distracted him. I only saw Cesca run under the cabinet
with her  tail inflated and Pan in close pursuit. She is not yet
spayed, although that is on the slate in the coming week.  I do not
think she is in heat, but I'm wondering if Pan attacked her for some
reason.  Most of the time, the cats are pretty peaceful and tolerant
of one another. She is an indoor cat, so she can't have been attacked
by any other male.

Has anyone else had a similar experience? I'd appreciate any
information.

Thanks!

Melissa
Mary - 20 Jun 2004 21:06 GMT
> What concerns me, is that she is bleeding a bit from her rectum.

While I would always schedule a vet visit for any cat
showing bloody stool or bleeding from the rectum, each and every time (maybe
seven times in her 20 years) my cat had this happen, the vet said it was
nothing. And it must have been nothing because she lived to be 20.

One time the vet told me that it just happens sometimes with cats, and that
it does not mean the same thing as when it happens with humans. Let us know
how her checkup goes. She sounds sweet.
MacCandace - 20 Jun 2004 21:26 GMT
<< It's kind of like a slow drip from a faucet. If she's been sitting in one
place for a while, there will be a little spot of  fresh blood left behind when
she gets up. >>

I know you said you don't think she's in heat, but I wonder if you're wrong.
She's at just the age where she should be going into heat.  I know they can
drip minute amounts of blood at that time and it seems very coincidental to me.
How do you know the blood is coming from her rectum?  It could just as easily
be coming from her vagina, I would think.  Sounds like heat to me and that
might be why your older cat is chasing her (even though they're neutered, they
still can get aroused/attracted/whatever).  Not all cats display howling and
other heat behavior (putting their butts in the air, rolling around more than
usual, etc.), she might just be mellow.  I would get her spay scheduled ASAP
and then discuss the blood issue with the vet and see if he thinks that is
causing it.  That would be my guess.

Candace
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Laura R. - 20 Jun 2004 23:38 GMT
circa 20 Jun 2004 20:26:42 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
MacCandace (maccandace@aol.comlitter) said,

> << It's kind of like a slow drip from a faucet. If she's been sitting in one
> place for a while, there will be a little spot of  fresh blood left behind when
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> and then discuss the blood issue with the vet and see if he thinks that is
> causing it.  That would be my guess.

Those were my thoughts, as well.

Even if the blood *is* coming from the rectum, I wonder if it could
be kind of a "hemorrhoid" type of thing caused by vaginal swelling
encroaching upon the rectum. Does anybody know if that's possible?

Laura
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zuzu22@webtv.net - 20 Jun 2004 23:41 GMT
>She's at just the age where she should
>be going into heat. I know they can drip
>minute amounts of blood at that time

Cats in heat don't bleed.

Megan

                                   
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Cathy Friedmann - 21 Jun 2004 00:13 GMT
> << It's kind of like a slow drip from a faucet. If she's been sitting in one
> place for a while, there will be a little spot of  fresh blood left behind when
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> She's at just the age where she should be going into heat.  I know they can
> drip minute amounts of blood at that time

Do they, really?  I thought they didn't bleed at all, re: heats.  Then,
trying to reason this out: people/women ovulate, & then bleed - if not
pregnant.  But cats are induced ovulators.

Cathy
Laura R. - 21 Jun 2004 00:32 GMT
circa Sun, 20 Jun 2004 19:13:16 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Cathy Friedmann (clfr@adelphia.net) said,
> > << It's kind of like a slow drip from a faucet. If she's been sitting in
> one
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> trying to reason this out: people/women ovulate, & then bleed - if not
> pregnant.  But cats are induced ovulators.

I had run across a couple of references that mentioned it (bleeding
during heat) as a very faint possibility, but it's definitely not the
norm. I was thinking that it was either one of those rare situations
where bleeding occurs, or the other thing I mentioned. From the
sounds of it, though, it really doesn't sound like the kitten is
likely to be bleeding vaginally, I guess.

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MacCandace - 21 Jun 2004 03:43 GMT
<< From the sounds of it, though, it really doesn't sound like the kitten is
likely to be bleeding vaginally, I guess.

Oh, well, I guess I was wrong.  I don't know why I thought that.  In that case,
I would be concerned also.  I hope the OP calls her regular vet Monday a.m. and
lets us know how it all turns out.

Candace
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Mary - 21 Jun 2004 04:51 GMT
> Oh, well, I guess I was wrong.  I don't know why I thought that.

I thought it too, because dogs I had growing up did. Not a very good reason
but there it is anyway.
PawsForThought - 21 Jun 2004 13:49 GMT
>From: maccandace@aol.comlitter  (MacCandace)

><< From the sounds of it, though, it really doesn't sound like the kitten is
>likely to be bleeding vaginally, I guess.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>and
>lets us know how it all turns out.

I had thought the same thing.  Guess I'm thinking of dogs, who do spot when in
heat.  I agree, the cat definitely should be seen by a vet.

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Melissa Houle - 22 Jun 2004 18:10 GMT
> << From the sounds of it, though, it really doesn't sound like the kitten is
> likely to be bleeding vaginally, I guess.
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>
> Candace

Re Anus/Rectum mistake....well, I feel pretty silly. It deeply freaked
me out to see watery blood come squirting out of  poor Francesca's
back end.

After a midnight vet visit on Sunday night, where the emergency vet
told me what the trouble was, I took Francesca to the regular vet
yesterday morning, and the vet performed a C-section/spay on her. The
emergency vet said he thought the kitten would come in the night, and
that in his experience 98 out of a hundred mother cats delivered their
litters without help. If I didn't see a kitten by morning, I should
call bring her back to the emergency clinic or to my regular vet,
which I did.  Francesca and her single living kitten are coming home
this afternoon, both are doing well, according to Dr. Mell. I assume
he would not send them home if he were at all worried about them. She
had two other dead kittens in her, and really, there was no other
option except for the C-Section. Alive or dead, the kittens had to
come out, and Francesca  needed help. It was not part of my cat-mother
plan at all, but I shall do my best for them, and find the kitten a
good home when it is old enough. At least I know she can't get
pregnant again!

Melissa
m. L. Briggs - 22 Jun 2004 20:01 GMT
>> << From the sounds of it, though, it really doesn't sound like the kitten is
>> likely to be bleeding vaginally, I guess.
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>
>Melissa
You have company in someone else who made that mistake.  When I was
adopted by my Siamese many years ago I took her in for spaying.  They
opened her an found she had already been done.  That, however, isn't
the story.  A couple  of
years after that, I was grooming her and discovered what I thought
was a "sore" down there.  So, off we go to the Vet, who was young and
new at that clinic.  I was really upset when I described what I
thought I saw,  He looked and said he couldn't see anything wrong.
So, I pointed out the "sore".  "OH, that is the normal vaginal
opening".  Embarrassed?  Very!  Me, with gray hair and many years
behind me being told this by that fresh, young man.  
Best of luck with your kitties.  MLB
Laura R. - 23 Jun 2004 01:22 GMT
circa Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:01:16 -0600, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
m. L. Briggs (mlbriggs@nospam.net) said,
>  You have company in someone else who made that mistake.  When I was
> adopted by my Siamese many years ago I took her in for spaying.  They
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> So, I pointed out the "sore".  "OH, that is the normal vaginal
> opening".  Embarrassed?  Very!

<snork> Did they give you one of those little diagrams to take home
for reference? ;-)

Laura
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Cathy Friedmann - 22 Jun 2004 20:46 GMT
> > << From the sounds of it, though, it really doesn't sound like the kitten is
> > likely to be bleeding vaginally, I guess.
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> which I did.  Francesca and her single living kitten are coming home
> this afternoon, both are doing well, according to Dr. Mell.

Oh, good.  I assumed momma cat would do fine, but am glad to hear that her
kitten is well, too. :-)

Cathy

I assume
> he would not send them home if he were at all worried about them. She
> had two other dead kittens in her, and really, there was no other
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Melissa
MacCandace - 23 Jun 2004 03:59 GMT
<< It was not part of my cat-mother
plan at all, but I shall do my best for them, and find the kitten a
good home when it is old enough. At least I know she can't get
pregnant again!

Melissa >>

Wow, none of us guessed the real problem.  Was there another thread on this
that I missed because everyone else seems to know this already.  Maybe, since
there is only one kitten, you could keep him/her?  I'm sure both he/she and
Francesa would like that...esp. since it's a sad story about the other kitties.
You'll probably fall in love with that baby cat anyway.

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-L. : - 23 Jun 2004 07:01 GMT
> > << From the sounds of it, though, it really doesn't sound like the kitten is
> > likely to be bleeding vaginally, I guess.
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>
> Melissa

I'm glad that your kitty and her kitten are ok.  Sounds like the two
of you will take good care of the baby!  Also, consider having the
kitten neutered before you place it.  Way too many kitties out there,
already. :)  And I know from experience you can't trust a stranger to
do it once it is placed.

Take care,

-L.
Melissa Houle - 23 Jun 2004 18:57 GMT
SNIP>
> I'm glad that your kitty and her kitten are ok.  Sounds like the two
> of you will take good care of the baby!  Also, consider having the
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> -L.

Thank you all for your concern, and help! (And for not laughing too hard at
me. <G> I do feel better for knowing someone else got a bit confused about
the back end of their cat, too.) The kitten is still with us, as of this
morning, and it's just the sweetest, tiny helpless thing. The baby's tail is
maybe one inch long, and about as big around as a piece of string.  It's a
brown tabby like his/her mama (I haven't yet figured out its gender) but it
has a lot more white on its little face, a white bib and the tiniest wee
little white paws. It weighed three ounces at birth. For the moment, I'm
calling the baby T.K. for Tiny Kitten.  If it survives its first week and/or
I discover its gender, I'll give the kitten a more permanent, gender
appropriate name. I am not handling the kitten unless it's absolutely
necessary, right now.  Cesca is being a very good mother, amazing, when she
herself is still so young. But she's taking excellent care of her baby, to
my very great relief, as there's truly no adequate substitute for a kitten
than its mother. Especially for a preemie.  If she was impregnated in early
May as the emergency vet estimated, the kitten arrived about a week to ten
days early.  No wonder poor Cesca needed help!

Your advice about neutering the baby before adopting it out is sound. I
don't want anyone else to have my experience!  Maybe the Humane Society can
help out in this regard when the time comes.... But first things first.  I
am hopeful that Cesca will be able to pull the baby through.  She, in the
meantime is getting lots of food, love and praise, and I tell her what a
brave, good little cat and mother she is several times a day. Her Kitty
hysterectomy took a bit of ginger out of her,  but her appetite is good,
she's able to use the litterbox, and once her incision heals, she should
feel a lot more comfortable.  Poor little thing is shaved from guggle to
zatch, and her incision is quite long. But she's alive, and for the moment,
all is well.

Melissa
Priscilla Ballou - 23 Jun 2004 19:09 GMT
> Thank you all for your concern, and help! (And for not laughing too hard at
> me. <G> I do feel better for knowing someone else got a bit confused about
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> has a lot more white on its little face, a white bib and the tiniest wee
> little white paws. It weighed three ounces at birth.

Pics?  Pics?  alt.binaries.pictures.animals?  Pretty please?  :-)

> For the moment, I'm
> calling the baby T.K. for Tiny Kitten.  If it survives its first week and/or
> I discover its gender, I'll give the kitten a more permanent, gender
> appropriate name.

I think TK would be a fine name for a rapscallion of an adolescent
kitty, too.  You could find different words for it to stand for as the
kitten grows up.  Tabby Kat?  ;-)

> I am not handling the kitten unless it's absolutely
> necessary, right now.  Cesca is being a very good mother, amazing, when she
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> zatch, and her incision is quite long. But she's alive, and for the moment,
> all is well.

Sounds good.  Good luck to one and all.  

Priscilla
Laura R. - 23 Jun 2004 19:18 GMT
circa Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:57:57 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Melissa Houle (melissa.houle@worldnet.att.net) said,
> Your advice about neutering the baby before adopting it out is sound. I
> don't want anyone else to have my experience!  Maybe the Humane Society can
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> zatch, and her incision is quite long. But she's alive, and for the moment,
> all is well.

Cesca sounds like a terribly sweet little cat. I'm glad to hear that
things are going well, albeit a little tenderly. :-)

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Mary - 23 Jun 2004 20:24 GMT
>Poor little thing is shaved from guggle to
> zatch, and her incision is quite long. But she's alive, and for the
moment, all is well.

I'm so glad it all had a happy ending. I didn't laugh at you. In fact, I
would think it was kind of creepy if someone knew a little TOO much about
their kitty's nether regions. ;)
Melissa Houle - 24 Jun 2004 08:20 GMT
> >Poor little thing is shaved from guggle to
> > zatch, and her incision is quite long. But she's alive, and for the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> would think it was kind of creepy if someone knew a little TOO much about
> their kitty's nether regions. ;)

I've always been more interested in the end of the cat that purrs, myself.
=o) I just feel silly for getting the two apertures reversed, as this is
something one would think I'd have picked up in 16 years of being a cat
slave.  But I too, am happy that things appear to be going well, and am
somewhat more sanguine for TK's chances, as of tonight. .  TK is a spunky
little baby who has made several circuits around the box s/he shares with
mama.  Not bad for a blind newborn!

Melissa
Mary - 24 Jun 2004 17:12 GMT
> TK is a spunky little baby who has made several >circuits around the box
s/he shares with
> mama.  Not bad for a blind newborn!

We want photos!
-L. : - 24 Jun 2004 00:59 GMT
> me. <G> I do feel better for knowing someone else got a bit confused about
> the back end of their cat, too.) The kitten is still with us, as of this
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>
> Melissa

Great to hear it!  be sure Cesca gets plenty of water - it takes a lot
out of them to have a c-section.

-L.
Luvskats00 - 21 Jun 2004 04:42 GMT
shiral14@hotmail.com  (Melissa Houle) writes

>...I feed both my cats a raw meat diet mixed in with Sojourner
>Farms Cat food mix, which is a combination of various grains soaked in
water...I only adopted her one month ago...
>What concerns me, is that she is bleeding a bit from her rectum. It's
>kind of like a slow drip from a faucet. If she's been sitting in one
>place for a while, there will be a little spot of  fresh blood left
>behind when she gets up.  

>One detail is, I have an older neutered male cat who I've had for
>sixteen years.  Last night, he chased Cesca right under the dining
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>Has anyone else had a similar experience? I'd appreciate any
>information.

1.  Congratulations for caring enough to post your questions and concerns.

2. If you see any bleeding or know of any medical abnormalities it's best to
phone an emergency vet, then phone your regular vet. Instead of making an
apointment and waiting 1 day - 1 week etc. to ask about this bleeding, tell the
regular vet about this bleeding, then post to the newsgroup..not the other way
'round.

3. Raw meat? Who recommended that you feed your cat(s) raw meat? Wouldn't raw
meat have bacteria which would possibly make your cat ill or worse?

3. You adopted an unspayed (fertile) female cat and waited over a month to have
her spayed? Low cost spaying is available (in most all areas). Why the long
wait?
Karen M. - 21 Jun 2004 20:53 GMT
> shiral14@hotmail.com  (Melissa Houle) writes
>
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> her spayed? Low cost spaying is available (in most all areas). Why the long
> wait?

1. Try not to be a bitch

2. Try not to be a bitch

3. Try not to be a bitch
Luvskats00 - 21 Jun 2004 23:31 GMT
To the twit that goes by  misskittymcgill71@yahoo.com  (Karen M.)

In response to your sarcastic "bitchy"comments responding to my post, your
misguided comments do not make any sense at all. Oh..I forgot..many, if not
all, your posts are senseless. Silly me.

Your "Try not to be a bitch" chant doesn't make sense for any entry below.  For
entry #1, I'm congratulating the person and you act like the a.s you are by
misinterpreting it.  Entry #2 is advice on priorities. No accusations or
insults are made to the one who posted originally.  Entry #3 - again - is not
an insult or an accusation. I was under the lifelong impression that raw meat
was NOT safe for consumption. So, I asked about it.  So...my advice for you 3x
and more - Try not to be a bitch OR an a.shole, like you currently are.  Happy
trails!

>> 1.  Congratulations for caring enough to post your questions and concerns.
>>
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>
>3. Try not to be a bitch
Cathy Friedmann - 22 Jun 2004 00:55 GMT
> To the twit that goes by  misskittymcgill71@yahoo.com  (Karen M.)
>
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> and more - Try not to be a bitch OR an a.shole, like you currently are.  Happy
> trails!

FWIW, I re-read Karen M's comment, then re-read your reply, & thought...
okay, #1, no prob.  #2 was okay - for a while, then it degenerated from
there on in.  True to NYWriter style.  So... I thought she had a valid
point.

Cathy

> >> 1.  Congratulations for caring enough to post your questions and concerns.
> >>
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> >
> >3. Try not to be a bitch
Karen M. - 22 Jun 2004 19:55 GMT
> To the twit that goes by  misskittymcgill71@yahoo.com  (Karen M.)
>  
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> and more - Try not to be a bitch OR an a.shole, like you currently are.  Happy
> trails!

Good one. <snicker> - though you're right on one thing, I should have added:

4. Try not to be a bitch

> >> 1.  Congratulations for caring enough to post your questions and concerns.
> >>
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> >
> >3. Try not to be a bitch
PawsForThought - 23 Jun 2004 00:50 GMT
>From: misskittymcgill71@yahoo.com  (Karen M.)

>> shiral14@hotmail.com  (Melissa Houle) writes
>>
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>
>3. Try not to be a bitch

LMAO!  It's impossible for her.
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Melissa Houle - 22 Jun 2004 04:05 GMT
> shiral14@hotmail.com  (Melissa Houle) writes
SNIP

> 1.  Congratulations for caring enough to post your questions and concerns.
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> her spayed? Low cost spaying is available (in most all areas). Why the long
> wait?

I did call the emergency vet late Saturday night as my regular vet
does not run a 24 hour clinic, and would not be open until this
morning.  I came here in search of any extra information that other
experienced cat owners might have.  I had used this animal hospital
before, and they were open and able to answer my questions at that
point.  Last night, after having been at dinner with a friend, I took
her IN to the emergency clinic as I was far too worried to leave it
until morning.  It turns out, the error was mine, I had the anus and
the vagina reversed. It also happens that Francesca is pregnant with
one large kitten, and what I saw last night was her water breaking.
The cat uses the box, and I clean up after them, but I don't spend a
lot of time worrying about what comes out of where unless the cat is
actually ill.  I'm a lot more interested in the cat's FRONT end.  I
haven't been around a pregnant female cat since I was a child  and our
family cat had some litters.  I knew basically that "the mother cat
has kittens" but never really paid attention to the details, as my mom
was there to care for Luna at the time.   Cesca is now in the care of
Dr. Mell, my regular vet, who was obliged to do a C-section on her, as
we feared the kitten might already be dead.  Living or dead, it was
too large for her to push out on her own, and it certainly couldn't
stay where it was.  I had no plans to bring yet more kittens into an
already overpopulated world, but in this case, I have to bow to the
situation that is. She won't be able to get pregnant again after this,
as the vet is spaying her as well as giving her the C-section.  Part
of me, sadly, is hoping that the kitten did not live, but if it did, I
will do my best to find a good home for it when it is old enough for
adoption.  Two cats is my limit, and after an $850.00 C-section, even
two cats feels like a bit much, right now.  =o\  Francesca has used up
her quotient of medical emergencies for the next five years within her
first 30 days as my cat!

The emergency clinic vet was pretty sure she must have been
impregnated soon before the Humane Society picked her up, at which
point, it was too early for anyone to tell she had conceived.  When I
took her to my regular vet for a checkup a few days after bringing her
home, it was even too early for HIM to know she was pregnant.  Because
she only had one kitten in her, I didn't realize that was what was the
matter  until last night when I took her to the the emergency vet.

In ideal circumstances, I'd have much preferred to take Francesca home
after she'd been properly spayed, as is the Humane Society's policy,
and my own. I'd paid for the spaying upfront at the time of her
adoption.  She was not spayed then because she had a cold which the HS
clinic vet decided was too severe for her to be safely anesthetized.
They sent her home with some Clavamox which I duly gave her, but it
took her about three weeks to really recover from her cold.  I took
her, cold and all, because I was just in love with her, and was afraid
someone else would get her if I didn't take her then. I also felt that
she'd recuperate faster at home, away from all the other cats with
colds at the Humane Society. I was not expecting that her recuperation
would take as long as it did.  During that time, she has been indoors,
unless I was taking her somewhere in her carrier.  In the past week, I
have been playing a very frustrating game of phone tag with the HS to
try to set up a spaying appointment.  I have been unable to get a real
person on the phone, or get an actual appointment date set up, to my
great frustration.  But with the way things turned out, I suppose
that's just as well.

As to why the raw diet, I followed the tip of a friend of mine who has
a large animal family.  She has been feeding her dogs and cats this
Sojourner Farms diet for about six months, and has noticed a positive
change in all their coats, and in their general health and spirits.  I
can tell you that my sixteen year old cat has perked up a lot, and his
coat is thicker, glossier and softer than it ever was while I was
feeding him canned food.  He has put on weight after being too thin,
and is even feeling lively enough to play again. The meat I give the
cats is either frozen or refrigerated at all times except when it is
being served and eaten.  It disappears MIGHTY fast at mealtimes. Given
that a lot of crap goes into commercial cat foods, I'm pretty sure
that human quality meat is safer for them. I also occasionally
supplement this with baby food pureed meats.  Cats and dogs are able
to digest raw meat much more easily than humans are.  Lions don't
barbecue a zebra when they catch it, and wolves don't roast any sheep
they've caught.  They get down to business right away. =o)

Melissa
Luvskats00 - 22 Jun 2004 07:17 GMT
>...I followed the tip of a friend of mine who has
>a large animal family.  She has >been feeding her dogs and cats this
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>coat is thicker, glossier and softer >than it ever was while I was
>feeding him canned food.  

I'll have to check up on this..sounds promising.  My 4 1/2 year old Sammy has
always eaten fancy feast (mostly fish..some beef..he won't eat anything
else....I've tried). 6 year old Nellie Belle has been with me for 8 months.
After trying a dozen brands and flavors, she ate Iams Beef and sometimes Iams
turkey.  She eventually wouldn't eat any Iams after the can was opened.  Iams
does have a strong "non-food" smell, for some reason.  I tried a number of
brands 'til I found she would eat Fancy Feast. I always read the label and pass
over any flavor that has a by-product listed as the 2nd or 3rd ingredient.
Sherry - 23 Jun 2004 04:48 GMT
> I tried a number of
>brands 'til I found she would eat Fancy Feast. I always read the label and
>pass
>over any flavor that has a by-product listed as the 2nd or 3rd ingredient.  

I think with Fancy Feast, meat by-products are your lesser worry. Fancy Feast
is high in fat and salt, and that's why all cats love it. Same things that we
humans find make our food taste better, but not necessarily healthy.
MacCandace - 24 Jun 2004 04:44 GMT
I certainly will pray for little T.K.  Cesca deserves to have one baby after
all her complications.

Candace
(take the litter out before replying by e-mail)

See my cats:
http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

"One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other
than human."  (Loren Eisely)
Laura R. - 22 Jun 2004 07:24 GMT
circa 21 Jun 2004 20:05:45 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Melissa Houle (shiral14@hotmail.com) said,
>  It also happens that Francesca is pregnant with
> one large kitten, and what I saw last night was her water breaking.

<snipped rest of interesting post>

Wow, that's one heckuva surprise! I hope everything works out well.

Laura
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PawsForThought - 23 Jun 2004 00:56 GMT
>circa 21 Jun 2004 20:05:45 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
>Melissa Houle (shiral14@hotmail.com) said,
>>  It also happens that Francesca is pregnant with
>> one large kitten, and what I saw last night was her water breaking.

Wow!  I'm so glad to hear she's going to be okay :)

Lauren
________
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Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
Cathy Friedmann - 22 Jun 2004 09:02 GMT
> > shiral14@hotmail.com  (Melissa Houle) writes
> SNIP
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> the vagina reversed. It also happens that Francesca is pregnant with
> one large kitten, and what I saw last night was her water breaking.

A-ha.  That mystery solved.

<snipped>
> The emergency clinic vet was pretty sure she must have been
> impregnated soon before the Humane Society picked her up, at which
> point, it was too early for anyone to tell she had conceived.  When I
> took her to my regular vet for a checkup a few days after bringing her
> home, it was even too early for HIM to know she was pregnant.

Makes sense to me.  Because.... one of my (RIP) cats, Debbie, was also
extremely newly pregnant when my sister found her a starving stray, one
February.  She took her to the vet's a couple of days after finding her, &
at that point the vet guesstimated her to be 10 months, & said she wasn't
pregnant.  But 2 months later she had a litter of kittens.  So she must've
gotten pregnant within the week prior to mysister taking her in.

> As to why the raw diet, I followed the tip of a friend of mine who has
> a large animal family.  She has been feeding her dogs and cats this
> Sojourner Farms diet for about six months, and has noticed a positive
> change in all their coats, and in their general health and spirits.

re: a raw diet.  Personally, I am very skeptical/leery of this, unless a
person has *really* delved into the all-around nutritional needs of cats.

Cathy

> I
> can tell you that my sixteen year old cat has perked up a lot, and his
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Melissa
Melissa Houle - 22 Jun 2004 19:58 GMT
"Cathy Friedmann" <clfr@adelphia.net> wrote in message SNIP>
> > As to why the raw diet, I followed the tip of a friend of mine who has
> > a large animal family.  She has been feeding her dogs and cats this
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Cathy

I was leery about it, too at first,  but here is the URL for the cat
food page with a nutritional analysis of the contents:

http://cats.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.sojos.com/catfoodmi
x.html


After about 3 months on this diet in my old cat's case, and one month
on the diet in Francesca's case, I've definitely noticed a positive
change in them both.  Cesca's coat was kind of  dry and rough when I
first got her, now it is beautifully soft and silky. It's impossible
to resist stroking her. =o) Pan is more lively and active for his age,
and his coat is thick and glossy. You'd think he was about ten or
twelve instead of 16 if you saw him. Both cats are bright-eyed and
alert during their waking hours, and both use the litterbox without
any problems.

It's easy to mix up a five day supply of food at once, and I'm still
working on the original bag I bought in April. I've found the cost is
comparable with what I was paying before.

Sojourner Farms has been at this business for 20 years, so I figure
they must have learned how to do it right, by now. If they weren't
getting good results, they'd never have stayed in business.

Melissa
PawsForThought - 23 Jun 2004 00:54 GMT
>From: shiral14@hotmail.com  (Melissa Houle)

>"Cathy Friedmann" <clfr@adelphia.net> wrote in message SNIP>
>> > As to why the raw diet, I followed the tip of a friend of mine who has
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>
>Melissa

I've been feeding my cats a homemade raw diet for the past 4 1/2 years and
they're doing great on it.  As with anything, one must do their research
carefully and be willing to put the time into it.  Sometimes I wish I could
just open a bag of kibble because it would be so much easier.  But then I look
at how healthy my cats are and know that to me it's well worth it.  I know a
raw diet is not for everybody though.

Lauren
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Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
PawsForThought - 21 Jun 2004 13:47 GMT
>From: shiral14@hotmail.com  (Melissa Houle)

>If she's been sitting in one
>place for a while, there will be a little spot of  fresh blood left
>behind when she gets up

>She is not yet
>spayed, although that is on the slate in the coming week.

Sounds like she could be in heat.  7 months of age is about right to start.  I
would get her spayed ASAP.

Lauren
________
See my cats:  http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
 
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